Tejada?

[pravata]

While the Astros are mentioned as interested, this is the type of deal the Orioles are attracting, at least in print,

"According to two industry sources, there were preliminary discussions between the Orioles, Cubs and Oakland Athletics on a three-way deal that included Tejada, Orioles lefthander Erik Bedard, Prior and Oakland ace Barry Zito heading to new homes. The Birds would get Zito and Prior, the Cubs would get Tejada and the A?s would add Bedard. But that type of complex trade takes time and is at best a longshot...."

"Boston is still talking about a Tejada-for-Manny Ramirez trade."

The Link

Zito, Prior, I've also seen mention of Zambrano, The Link Ramirez?, Astros can't offer anything like that.

[hostros7]

I know Prior has struggled with injuries but the Orioles would have to be crazy not to take that offer.  No position player in the league is worth two ace-calibur pitchers, imo.  Tejada may provide you with 12 ABs in a 3 game series but that isn't commenserate with Prior and Zito starting two of said 3 games

[Taras Bulba]

I would be real pleased to see Chicago part with Prior and/or Zambrano for Tejada.

[MusicMan]

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 No position player in the league is worth two ace-calibur pitchers, imo.  

Bedard is an ace-caliber pitcher - IIRC, he was leading the AL with a sub-2.00 ERA when he was hurt.

So they surrender Tejada and a young stud pitcher who is under club control for several years - just the kind of guy the A's want for Zito.

[OldBlevins]

Of course, none of those deals has happened yet, so it's hard to tell what the Orioles would settle for.  My guess is Tejada stays where he is, though.

[jaklewein]

 Astros can't offer anything like that.

Nope.  Any deal involving the Astros would have to start with Berkman.

[Andyzipp]

So everyone else is offering pitching, and you think the Astros need to start with Berkman?

If the Astros were going to play in this game, it sounds like Oswalt would be the starting point.

[jaklewein]

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So everyone else is offering pitching, and you think the Astros need to start with Berkman?

If the Astros were going to play in this game, it sounds like Oswalt would be the starting point.

That's a good point Andy, but a while back I heard that they really wanted a bat of equal value back in return...and not just any bat, but one that was established and had star power (i.e. MannyR).  My guess is that there aren't alot of available bats fitting that discription so they're moving on to the best deal they can get.  The fact that they're talking about the current deal involving Prior leads me to believe that they are eventually going to trade Tejada.  You're right though...Oswalt would fit as well.  Missed the boat on that one.

[Limey]

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So everyone else is offering pitching, and you think the Astros need to start with Berkman?

If the Astros were going to play in this game, it sounds like Oswalt would be the starting point.

Right: not just pitching, but starting pitching.  Astros can't afford to give up any of that.  I'd love to get Tejada, but unless the O's would take, say, Everett & Lidge, then it's not going to work.

[jaklewein]

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So everyone else is offering pitching, and you think the Astros need to start with Berkman?

If the Astros were going to play in this game, it sounds like Oswalt would be the starting point.

Right: not just pitching, but starting pitching.  Astros can't afford to give up any of that.  I'd love to get Tejada, but unless the O's would take, say, Everett & Lidge, then it's not going to work.

Again, I don't think they have pitching at the top of their list.  They want a productive name, and they'd rather have a hitter from what I read.  I'm guessing Berkman would be a deal they'd jump on, but then again, I'm guessing the Astros and Berkman with his NTC would have none of that.

[HurricaneDavid]

Have the Orioles traded anyone to the Astros since the Glenn Davis disaster?

[DVauthrin]

There is really only one way I can see the Astros getting Tejada.   It would involve oakland as well.

Astros trade prospects to oakland for Zito, Zito goes to baltimore, Tejada to Houston.  It could also be a deal like Qualls, Burke, pitching prospect to Oakland, Zito, Everett, and possibly a hitting prospect from Houston or Oakland to Baltimore, Tejada to Houston.

That is the only chance, unless the Orioles change their stance on closers.

[toddthebod]

Why wouldn't we just keep Zito?

And you are prepared to give up Qualls, Burke, Everett, a pitching prospect, and possibly a hitting prospect to get one player.  Tejada is great, but I can't see the Astros giving up so many players to get one back.

[Uncle Charlie]

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Why wouldn't we just keep Zito?

And you are prepared to give up Qualls, Burke, Everett, a pitching prospect, and possibly a hitting prospect to get one player.  Tejada is great, but I can't see the Astros giving up so many players to get one back.

Agree that they cannot do a 4-1 deal.  I wonder if something like Lidge, Everett, Backe and Scott for Tejada and Bedard would work?

[JimR]

throw in Oswalt and Pettitte too.

[DVauthrin]

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Why wouldn't we just keep Zito?

Since this thread was about Tejada, that is why I had Houston landing him.

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And you are prepared to give up Qualls, Burke, Everett, a pitching prospect, and possibly a hitting prospect to get one player.  Tejada is great, but I can't see the Astros giving up so many players to get one back.

First of all, I was trying to take into account what both teams want in return for Zito/Tejada more than say would I do it.  But if you asked me would I do AE, Qualls, Burke plus a pitching prospect for Tejada and possibly a decent reliever in return, it would depend on the pitching prospect.  Back to what the teams involved want, Oakland probably wants pitching or top flight prospect/s and Baltimore definitely wants pitching.   Put it this way, I can't see oakland accepting just Qualls and a pitching prospect for Zito.  They need more so either Burke, or another prospect would have to go to them.  Baltimore has to get Zito to move Tejada, and they would need a replacement at SS.   If the Astros got Tejada, no use in having Adam Everett on the team so he goes to Baltimore.  It's also possible neither team wants Burke, but oakland showed interest last year.   I also think the hitting prospect isn't necessary, but baltimore might want one to replace Tejada(like how they insisted on Pie from Chicago) and I figured Oakland probably would have to supply it considering our system.  

Furthermore, Jim illustrated what Baltimore wants for Tejada: a frontline SP.   And the team(Astros) won't move Roy or Andy obviously.  That is why we would have to involve Oakland.   Personally, I think it's going to be hard for the team to pull off a Tejada trade.   I think a Zito or Garland deal is much more feasible, along with a possible deal for Wilkerson or Mench now that Texas has a lesser need for frontline starting pitching.   But the Astros are hesitant to pull off any major deals right now for hitting because they don't know what Bagwell will do.  

That's why I think a deal for Zito or Garland might be more likely at this point.

[Fynn]

Lets concentrate on trading for a starting pitcher...we can look for position players next year when the budget outlook is much improved via the FA market.  The major and minor league teams are much too thin talentwise to give away good prospects for a single player.  Trading Lidge and a prospect for Zito would be a deal I would make.

[DVauthrin]

Oakland wouldn't want Lidge, seeing how they have a very good closer of their own in Huston Street.   I'm thinking they would like Qualls as a setup man however.

[Tralfaz]

Mark my words, the Astros will not trade for Tejada or any other marquee player this off season.  It would have already happened.

[Uncle Charlie]

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throw in Oswalt and Pettitte too.

Come on Jim, that suggestion was far off of what is being offered as market price.  You have to give something to get something.

What would you suggest as your top offer to get Tejada?

[Jose Cruz III]

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throw in Oswalt and Pettitte too.

Andy is due too much money this year. They won't take him.

[MusicMan]

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It would have already happened.

Why?

[jwhudson]

For Tejada - just say no.  I would rather have a pitcher (Zito or Garland/Garcia) would be very nice.  Pick up a bat at the trade deadline if you need one.  Let the Cubs trade their starters.  The North Side "Rangers" will lose in just like the Rangers in Arlington.  

Right now everyone is sure they can be in the WS in 06.  Pitching will get you there and win it too.  Take a good look at the White Sox.  How many big hitters did they have -ONE (Konerko).  They guys that beat us were in the rotation.  Forget Tejada - give me ZITO!!!!

[ASTROCREEP]

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What would you suggest as your top offer to get Tejada?

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[pravata]

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Why wouldn't we just keep Zito?

Since this thread was about Tejada, that is why I had Houston landing him.

Originally this thread was intended to present some information about why Purpura has yet to make the big trade.

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Prior-Tejada deal on hold
 
By Paul Sullivan
Tribune staff reporter
December 28, 2005

The Cubs apparently are no closer than they were last week to dealing Mark Prior to Baltimore for Miguel Tejada, but the very thought of trading away the popular right-hander has Cubs fans in a lather.
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Baseball sources said Tuesday the Cubs and Orioles have not spoken since news of the proposed deal was leaked to an Internet site last Thursday. Prior, Corey Patterson and a top prospect, believed to be left-hander Rich Hill, are thought to be part of the preliminary package, ...

Sources in Baltimore indicate the Orioles still aren't certain they want Prior, ...the Orioles still are trying to persuade the Cubs to part with ...Zambrano...Zambrano, however, is a likely deal-breaker because he has established himself as the workhorse of the staff and is considered an untouchable, at least for the present....
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Corey Patterson... the Cubs must be serious.  

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Oh sure, now try to shirk the responsibility for starting this thread!  You may not have suggested a trade but you dared mention the name of a big name player.  Everyone knows that equates to shouting fire in a crowded theater.... for shame... SHAME!!!  

In all seriousness, I was a bit surprised at the life this thread took on.  After reading the proposed trade of Prior + additional player(s) for Tejada, alone, I kind of figured it was highly unlikely and even less likely for anyone not dumb enough to work for the Cubs.  
I've summed up what I interpret the sentiment of those desiring this trade:
Hmmm, maybe if Houston included Berkman, Ensberg, Everett and Clemens the Orioles would consider Houston?  Never mind the fact Houston doesn't have any rights to Clemens or that Tejada knew full well which division the Orioles were in when he signed.  This is total BS.  This is the type of situation that reflects on one's character and character, as we all know, is one of Uncle Drayton's criteria.  

Oh, and don't bother to realize offense at shortstop is one of the most over-priced commodities in baseball?  I'm trying to figure out what other position pays $10-15mil for a mid .800 OPS w/ 26 homers?  If you can think of a position other than SS, let me know.  Oh yeah, maybe catcher!  If only they weren't blowing 4mil on Ausmus.  Right there, they made a deal that's obviously an final obstacle in obtaining the last critical piece of the puzzle.

[pravata]

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Oh sure, now try to shirk the responsibility for starting this thread!  You may not have suggested a trade but you dared mention the name of a big name player.  Everyone knows that equates to shouting fire in a crowded theater.... for shame... SHAME!!!  

In all seriousness, I was a bit surprised at the life this thread took on.  After reading the proposed trade of Prior + additional player(s) for Tejada, alone, I kind of figured it was highly unlikely and even less likely for anyone not dumb enough to work for the Cubs.  
I've summed up what I interpret the sentiment of those desiring this trade:
Hmmm, maybe if Houston included Berkman, Ensberg, Everett and Clemens the Orioles would consider Houston?  Never mind the fact Houston doesn't have any rights to Clemens or that Tejada knew full well which division the Orioles were in when he signed.  This is total BS.  This is the type of situation that reflects on one's character and character, as we all know, is one of Uncle Drayton's criteria.  

Oh, and don't bother to realize offense at shortstop is one of the most over-priced commodities in baseball?  I'm trying to figure out what other position pays $10-15mil for a mid .800 OPS w/ 26 homers?  If you can think of a position other than SS, let me know.  Oh yeah, maybe catcher!  If only they weren't blowing 4mil on Ausmus.  Right there, they made a deal that's obviously an final obstacle in obtaining the last critical piece of the puzzle.

I posted that before I knew the Cubs were including Corey Patterson in the trade; which means they are now very, very, serious.  Saying Corey Patterson is like yelling theater in a crowded fire.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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Oh sure, now try to shirk the responsibility for starting this thread!  You may not have suggested a trade but you dared mention the name of a big name player.  Everyone knows that equates to shouting fire in a crowded theater.... for shame... SHAME!!!  

In all seriousness, I was a bit surprised at the life this thread took on.  After reading the proposed trade of Prior + additional player(s) for Tejada, alone, I kind of figured it was highly unlikely and even less likely for anyone not dumb enough to work for the Cubs.  
I've summed up what I interpret the sentiment of those desiring this trade:
Hmmm, maybe if Houston included Berkman, Ensberg, Everett and Clemens the Orioles would consider Houston?  Never mind the fact Houston doesn't have any rights to Clemens or that Tejada knew full well which division the Orioles were in when he signed.  This is total BS.  This is the type of situation that reflects on one's character and character, as we all know, is one of Uncle Drayton's criteria.  

Oh, and don't bother to realize offense at shortstop is one of the most over-priced commodities in baseball?  I'm trying to figure out what other position pays $10-15mil for a mid .800 OPS w/ 26 homers?  If you can think of a position other than SS, let me know.  Oh yeah, maybe catcher!  If only they weren't blowing 4mil on Ausmus.  Right there, they made a deal that's obviously an final obstacle in obtaining the last critical piece of the puzzle.

I posted that before I knew the Cubs were including Corey Patterson in the trade; which means they are now very, very, serious.  Saying Corey Patterson is like yelling theater in a crowded fire.

I'm surprised the Cubs didn't call off all negotiations once it went beyond a Patterson for Tejada straight up deal.  Seriously, everyone knows that the Cubs have all the greatest potential players ever to grace the earth.  Say, speaking of Cubs prospects, what ever happened to Bobby Hill?  Or all those other so called "sure fire" all stars in the Cubs system?  You don't suppose everyone realized there was more fabrication than substance?

How long before everyone agrees Tejada is not Astros material?  Or is that asking too much?

[Limey]

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I posted that before I knew the Cubs were including Corey Patterson in the trade; which means they are now very, very, serious.  Saying Corey Patterson is like yelling theater in a crowded fire.

I think you are overstating the value of Corey Patterson.  If he turns out to the push over the edge, the Orioles must be really overstocked with bags of used baseballs.

[lc_db]

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I posted that before I knew the Cubs were including Corey Patterson in the trade; which means they are now very, very, serious.  Saying Corey Patterson is like yelling theater in a crowded fire.

I think you are overstating the value of Corey Patterson.  If he turns out to the push over the edge, the Orioles must be really overstocked with bags of used baseballs.

Since he's such a batting practice phenom, that sorta makes sense.

[pravata]

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I posted that before I knew the Cubs were including Corey Patterson in the trade; which means they are now very, very, serious.  Saying Corey Patterson is like yelling theater in a crowded fire.

I think you are overstating the value of Corey Patterson.  If he turns out to the push over the edge, the Orioles must be really overstocked with bags of used baseballs.

I don't think so.  When the Cubs begin to include Corey Patterson in trades, it means they really want the trade to happen.  They did the same with Bobby Hill and Juan Cruz.

[Limey]

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I don't think so.  When the Cubs begin to include Corey Patterson in trades, it means they really want the trade to happen.  They did the same with Bobby Hill and Juan Cruz.

Cool.  Maybe the Cubs think he has value.  I think it is akin to throwing in a plastic replica tea clipper with a 24-piece set of plastic kitchenware.  If the buyer wants it...great!  But it doesn't make it worth anything.

[pravata]

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I don't think so.  When the Cubs begin to include Corey Patterson in trades, it means they really want the trade to happen.  They did the same with Bobby Hill and Juan Cruz.

Cool.  Maybe the Cubs think he has value.  I think it is akin to throwing in a plastic replica tea clipper with a 24-piece set of plastic kitchenware.  If the buyer wants it...great!  But it doesn't make it worth anything.

Value, like a garage sale.

[Limey]

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Value, like a garage sale.

More like: one man's shit is another man's treasure.

[Tralfaz]

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It would have already happened.

Why?

Because I'm just pessimistic about the "wonderful, magical animal", er, bat that is at the end of the Whoop-ass rainbow.  Free agents are drying up faster than the grass in my back yard.  And as far as a major trade goes, some teams have nothing too loose and are willing to gamble for it with what they have.  The Astros are in decent shape and I don't see them needing to do anything too drastic until Rocket decides comes back or not.