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How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« on: December 02, 2005, 04:40:54 pm »
As the Marlins organization throws up its collective hands and looks forward to better days in Las Vegas, I'm wondering how the Astros might be able to take advantage of the fire sale currently unfolding in Miami. As the fish seem willing to part ways with anyone on the roster worth at least a few million in exchange for anyone with a salary near the league minimum, it seems like at least a half-assed lopsided offer is in order. Let me start the bidding with a Chris Burke for Juan Pierre. You just run with it from there. We can package the best ideas in a nice leather-wrapped portfolio (along with a fruit basket or assorted cheese and sausage products) and forward to the Marlins braintrust on the Astros' behalf, just to get the ball rolling. Thoughts?
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2005, 05:04:57 pm »
we already have Juan Pierre.

Burke for Dontrelle.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2005, 05:07:19 pm »
If Ausmus doesn't sign with the Astros--and I hope he does--LoDuca could probably be had pretty easily.  Not the best catcher perhaps, but competent.  Junction Jack for LoDuca.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2005, 05:21:24 pm »
Realizing this is a semi-serious thread, Dontrelle Willis and Cabrera are rumored to be the only untouchable players on the Marlins Roster.  

If Houston makes a play for a Marlin, Ron Villone is still on their roster... one of the rumor mill threads mentioned all they are asking for is a minor league pitching prospect.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 05:34:54 pm »
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we already have Juan Pierre.

Burke for Dontrelle.





But Jim... we could have TWO Juan Pierres! Just imagine the possibilities (except for the possibility of a repeat of that face-shattering incident in NY this year resulting from having two CFs in the game at one time). Nonetheless, your raise of Dontrelle for Burke is excellent, and will be included in the proposal.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 05:38:20 pm »
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As the Marlins organization throws up its collective hands and looks forward to better days in Las Vegas, ...




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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 05:41:03 pm »
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As the Marlins organization throws up its collective hands and looks forward to better days in Las Vegas, ...




Am I cabreraing here, they've traded Luis Castillo to the Twins for 2 minor leaguers.





And, they look pretty thin on middle infield prospects...
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 05:42:02 pm »
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Realizing this is a semi-serious thread, Dontrelle Willis and Cabrera are rumored to be the only untouchable players on the Marlins Roster.  

If Houston makes a play for a Marlin, Ron Villone is still on their roster... one of the rumor mill threads mentioned all they are asking for is a minor league pitching prospect.





I'm on record as being a Ron Villone fan. However, he seems to do his best work in the first month after being acquired, so I'd prefer to save this transaction until late in the season.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 05:59:27 pm »
Here's guessing that the line of GMs outside of the Marlin's suite at the winter meetings will resemble a gang bang at Jester.  Just hope that Tim ain't the caboose.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2005, 06:05:53 pm »
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we already have Juan Pierre.

Burke for Dontrelle.





where does the cubs trading of dontrelle for clement and the six-fingered man rank in all-time cub disasters?  the guy's only 23! and it's already a major blunder-- time could compound this to curse-level proportions.

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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 06:41:19 pm »
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Here's guessing that the line of GMs outside of the Marlin's suite at the winter meetings will resemble a gang bang at Jester.  Just hope that Tim ain't the caboose.




That's a really nice visual, and it ties in well with the locomotive theme. I'm going to see if we can't get that in next season's media guide. Maybe get Purp some sort of motivational plaque for his desk: "Be the Engineer today, not the the dude in the Caboose."

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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2005, 06:56:33 pm »
my best baseball source tells me that Rajah and his agents are "playing games" with Houston and have hamstrung them right now.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2005, 07:03:30 pm »
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my best baseball source tells me that Rajah and his agents are "playing games" with Houston and have hamstrung them right now.




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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2005, 07:07:23 pm »
By clearing Castillo's salary, the Marlins' on-field payroll -- a franchise-record $65 million last season -- now stands at about $25 million. And it figures to go lower with the team entertaining numerous offers for catcher Paul Lo Duca and center fielder Juan Pierre.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2005, 07:32:54 pm »
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my best baseball source tells me that Rajah and his agents are "playing games" with Houston and have hamstrung them right now.




You are bound and determined to vilify Roger Clemens.





Well he is a well known sociopath.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2005, 08:04:06 pm »
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my best baseball source tells me that Rajah and his agents are "playing games" with Houston and have hamstrung them right now.




You are bound and determined to vilify Roger Clemens.





It's not like he's talking about something that never happened before. If there's one consistent thing about Roger's career (excluding excellent regular season pitching and cy young awards) is his singular trait of "hamstringing" teams. For instance, see last year.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2005, 01:38:56 am »
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By clearing Castillo's salary, the Marlins' on-field payroll -- a franchise-record $65 million last season -- now stands at about $25 million. And it figures to go lower with the team entertaining numerous offers for catcher Paul Lo Duca and center fielder Juan Pierre.
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Well, how bout that shit? Boy, if anything even borderline predicative comes out of this thread, then we have really raised the bar on what constitutes preposterous trade suggestions. I dare to dream...
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2005, 10:57:27 pm »
hey, Dobro, the guy i talk to is a friend of your idol. he was telling me what the man is doing to the team you root for. "playing games" was his phrase, not mine. believe it or not, your choice.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2005, 09:47:49 am »
Furcal is a good example; I don't know if the Astros wanted him or not, but until they know one way or the other on Clemens, they can't get into the market for other high priced players.

If they have to sit on the sidelines waiting on Clemens to decide, while players like Furcal and Abreu sign elsewhere, that's pretty much hamstrung.

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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2005, 10:44:51 am »
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Furcal is a good example; I don't know if the Astros wanted him or not, but until they know one way or the other on Clemens, they can't get into the market for other high priced players.

If they have to sit on the sidelines waiting on Clemens to decide, while players like Furcal and Abreu sign elsewhere, that's pretty much hamstrung.





The Astros never had any intention of signing Furcal, and Abreu is already signed.  If the Phils want Backe and Qualls for Abreu, the Astros should jump on that like Eric Gregg going after a donut, payroll be damned.
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Re: How best to take advantage of the Marlins' desparation?
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2005, 02:13:17 pm »
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The Astros never had any intention of signing Furcal, and Abreu is already signed.  If the Phils want Backe and Qualls for Abreu, the Astros should jump on that like Eric Gregg going after a donut, payroll be damned.



I'm not sure this is such a good trade unless you can extend Abreu beyond his current contract (at a sane amount of dollars).
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