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Mets ink Wagner
« on: November 28, 2005, 05:35:12 pm »
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2005, 05:39:27 pm »
can't wait for those interviews....
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2005, 05:45:41 pm »
They really are trying to be Yankee's Lite, overpaying for guys past their prime... at least the Yankme's won a divisional crown...
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 05:55:21 pm »
I'm not knocking the Mets just yet because so far they have added Delgado and Wags, both productive players.  One markets overvalued player is another team's reasonably price player, for that matter.  The Mets generate enough revenue that they obviously feel they can afford these contracts.  

However, the big question to me is, now that they have secured a solid closer, and say what you want but Wagner is still among the best closers in the game, who do they expect to get the ball to him with a lead?  It strikes me as putting the cart before the horse.  However, they may feel their bullpen arms have shown enough improvement that a solid closer will stabilize their relief corp.

On a humourous note, I'm anxiously awaiting Gas Can's comments if the bullpen or offense falter.  Yikes...
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 06:01:20 pm »
Hey, the Mets always win the offseason.

They'll have Heilman to set up, I'm sure they'll hire some $3M 38 year old reliever.
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 06:26:47 pm »
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However, the big question to me is, now that they have secured a solid closer, and say what you want but Wagner is still among the best closers in the game, who do they expect to get the ball to him with a lead?  It strikes me as putting the cart before the horse.  However, they may feel their bullpen arms have shown enough improvement that a solid closer will stabilize their relief corp.


They have agreed to pay $10mm a year for 63 innings a year...for the next 5 years.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 09:44:01 pm »
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They have agreed to pay $10mm a year for 63 innings a year...for the next 5 years.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



Exactly, I can't imagine Wagner still being a dominant closer in the last couple of years of that contract.  I was pretty surprised to see a contract that long.

If they didn't already sign Beltran last year, they'd probably be dumb enough to sign Damon for the 7 years Boras is seeking for him.
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2005, 12:35:05 am »
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Exactly, I can't imagine Wagner still being a dominant closer in the last couple of years of that contract.  I was pretty surprised to see a contract that long.

If they didn't already sign Beltran last year, they'd probably be dumb enough to sign Damon for the 7 years Boras is seeking for him.



I don't know, the Wagner deal doesn't sound so ridiculous to me (especially compared to BJ Ryan's); he's been fantastic the last few years, and recent history has been kind to older hard-throwing pitchers (mostly starters).

He's not quite Rivera or Gagne, but he makes the Mets a lot better. He's one of the very few year-in, year-out "sure things" out there when it comes to closers...now I'm sure he's once again ready to "go stomp the shit out of the Braves."
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 02:22:59 am »
how many times have the stems put together a team of big names and fell flat on their face. wags in nw now there is a  mental pic to keep you awake nights. that in itself would be worth the price of admisssion
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2005, 11:05:50 am »
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He's not quite Rivera or Gagne, but he makes the Mets a lot better. He's one of the very few year-in, year-out "sure things" out there when it comes to closers...now I'm sure he's once again ready to "go stomp the shit out of the Braves."


Braden Looper threw 28 saves for the Mets last year.  Billy averages 28.4 saves a year for his career (although he does typically get well into the 30s when not down with injury).  He'll turn 35 shortly after the ASB next year - the first year of his 5 year contract.

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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2005, 12:53:45 pm »
Is Looper still with the Mets?
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2005, 01:17:01 pm »
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Is Looper still with the Mets?


Dunno, but that's not the point.  What I'm trying to establish is that the Mets have overpaid massively for a short-term upgrade at a part-time position.

Wagner is a fireballer who relies on speed, and speed alone, to defeat hitters.  That's why he's prone to giving up titanic shibbies to legendary fastball hitters like Mark McGwire, Brian Giles and Craig Biggio.  When he loses an mph or two off his fastball, which will happen sooner rather than later IMHO, he'll be batting practice for half the hitters in the major leagues.

And he'll be a Met.

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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2005, 01:21:33 pm »
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Is Looper still with the Mets?


Dunno, but that's not the point.  What I'm trying to establish is that the Mets have overpaid massively for a short-term upgrade at a part-time position.

Wagner is a fireballer who relies on speed, and speed alone, to defeat hitters.  That's why he's prone to giving up titanic shibbies to legendary fastball hitters like Mark McGwire, Brian Giles and Craig Biggio.  When he loses an mph or two off his fastball, which will happen sooner rather than later IMHO, he'll be batting practice for half the hitters in the major leagues.

And he'll be a Met.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



Yeah, but if healthy he'll be good in 2006.  With Atlanta, Philadelphia, and New York on the rise, the NL East is going to be a tough division next season.
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2005, 01:21:56 pm »
Looper becomes a trade piece in the quest for Ramirez.
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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2005, 01:40:32 pm »
That's classic Stem off-season brilliance.  They've got (or had, not sure) an adequate closer in Looper, but NO wait.  Must. Do. Some. Thing.  Bam, they go out and overpay a big name albatros that will be the fire to the NY columnist's gasoline for years to come.  As we get to kick back, and watch him grow older and more bitter for the next FIVE years on the big stage in NYC.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2005, 01:41:37 pm »
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That's classic Stem off-season brilliance.  They've got (or had, not sure) an adequate closer in Looper, but NO wait.  Must. Do. Some. Thing.  Bam, they go out and overpay a big name albatros that will be the fire to the NY columnist's gasoline for years to come.  As we get to kick back, and watch him grow older and more bitter for the next FIVE years on the big stage in NYC.



Meanwhile, have they considered their starting pitching?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2005, 02:44:47 pm »
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Is Looper still with the Mets?



The team had an option on him which they declined.  
They still have the choice of offering arb to him and making him a set-up guy - although I'm not sure whether they will or even whether he'd accept in lieu of trying the open market.  Seeing the bucks even middle relievers are getting these days he might as well see what's out there.  

Looper had a pretty good '04 but was purdy darn awful last year: blown saves, ERA & WHiP up, K-rate plummeted, etc.  He also belatedly admitted to being injured and had minor surgery right after the season.  In the short term anyway, Wagner should be a significant upgrade not just a minor one.
The question, as always, is how the back end of the deal will look when that time comes.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2005, 03:20:04 pm »
Did anybody else notice that Wags' agent is named "Bean Stringfellow".  Now THAT'S a name!

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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2005, 06:29:34 pm »
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Braden Looper threw 28 saves for the Mets last year.



...with 8 blown saves.

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Billy averages 28.4 saves a year for his career



...and averages 4.5 blown saves per year.  8 blown saves in 36 opportunites is pretty pathetic.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2005, 06:44:09 pm »
Read this in a NY rag while visiting over the holidays (right after the Delgado signing):

GM Omar M. had a plan last season: Sign the best starting pitcher (Pedro), the best OF (Beltran) and the best IF (Delgado).  Now, a year later, he's done it.

WOW - That's a plan: Sign the best (arguable after Beltran's year) and most expensive players on the market at the highest possible prices.

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Re: Mets ink Wagner
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2005, 03:46:52 am »
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Meanwhile, have they considered their starting pitching?



Well, aside from the high probability of Pedro breaking down at some point, I think they're OK with their rotation. Pedro's ERA and W-L did not reflect how well he pitched- his WHIP and K/BB were excellent. Glavine, Benson, V. Zambrano, Trachsel are solid if unspectacular.

They better have some good setup guys, though.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2005, 09:36:54 am »
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He also belatedly admitted to being injured and had minor surgery right after the season.


Well that settles it.  You cannot have a knucklehead at closer who is hurt, doesn't tell anyone and has a shit year as a result.

Oh, wait...
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2005, 02:56:05 pm »
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can't wait for those interviews....



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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2005, 12:28:50 am »
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can't wait for those interviews....



yea interestingly, the first thing wagner did as a Mess was to declare that the NY fans would enjoy watching them kick the hell out of the braves.  chipper jones then showed up and promptly belted a ball 456 feet over the leftfield wall to give the braves an early lead.
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