Maximus to Atl?

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By David O'Brien | Monday, November 14, 2005, 03:55 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

"Which is why the Braves have discussed possible trades for Tampa Bay?s Julio Lugo or possibly Houston?s Adam Everett. Everett isn?t exactly a pulse-raising commodity, but is solid with the glove. He?s hardly a leadoff type, however, with a .305 career on-base percentage and .248-11-54 production last year with only 26 walks in 549 at-bats. Yikes.

But Everett made only $445,000 last season and is eligible for arbitration; the Astros have offrered him, but not sure how much interest Braves have in him."
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[BudGirl]

Lugo would be a better fit in Atlanta than Everett.

[Limey]

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Lugo would be a better fit in Atlanta than Everett.

Correct.  They have a team of lawyers on staff just to look after whomever is playing shortstop.

[MusicMan]

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Lugo would be a better fit in Atlanta than Everett.

He and Cox would get along great.  Probably wouldn't be bringing their wives to dinner, though.

[jasonact]

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By David O'Brien | Monday, November 14, 2005, 03:55 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

"Which is why the Braves have discussed possible trades for Tampa Bay?s Julio Lugo or possibly Houston?s Adam Everett. Everett isn?t exactly a pulse-raising commodity, but is solid with the glove. He?s hardly a leadoff type, however, with a .305 career on-base percentage and .248-11-54 production last year with only 26 walks in 549 at-bats. Yikes.

But Everett made only $445,000 last season and is eligible for arbitration; the Astros have offrered him, but not sure how much interest Braves have in him."
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Well, if AE goes to ATL, I guess that gives the Astros an opportunity to improve the offense at short. But I'd rather they keep him and try to improve in OF/1B.

[pravata]

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By David O'Brien | Monday, November 14, 2005, 03:55 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

"Which is why the Braves have discussed possible trades for Tampa Bay?s Julio Lugo or possibly Houston?s Adam Everett. Everett isn?t exactly a pulse-raising commodity, but is solid with the glove. He?s hardly a leadoff type, however, with a .305 career on-base percentage and .248-11-54 production last year with only 26 walks in 549 at-bats. Yikes.

But Everett made only $445,000 last season and is eligible for arbitration; the Astros have offrered him, but not sure how much interest Braves have in him."
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Well, if AE goes to ATL, I guess that gives the Astros an opportunity to improve the offense at short. But I'd rather they keep him and try to improve in OF/1B.

The problem with the Atl Const. quote is that it makes no sense.  When did the Astros offer Everett to the Braves? During the season?  For who?  The Braves had Furcal.  Are the Astros going to take a player who'll be an FA at the end of the season?  Purpura said numerous times he wasnt going to do that.  Why would the Astros even think the Braves would trade Furcal to the Astros, knowing, sure as Barry Bonds has needle marks in his butt, that they're going to play them in the playoffs?  

Did they propose the trade recently?  For who?  Furcal?  That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA.  Francouer?

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The problem with the Atl Const. quote is that it makes no sense.  When did the Astros offer Everett to the Braves? During the season?  For who?  The Braves had Furcal.  Are the Astros going to take a player who'll be an FA at the end of the season?  Purpura said numerous times he wasnt going to do that.  Why would the Astros even think the Braves would trade Furcal to the Astros, knowing, sure as Barry Bonds has needle marks in his butt, that they're going to play them in the playoffs?  

Did they propose the trade recently?  For who?  Furcal?  That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA.  Francouer?

My guess and this is only my guess is that trade possibilities were discussed at the General Manager's meetings.  And the Astros knowing that Furcal is most likely not going to resign with the Braves, brought up the possibility of a trade for Everett.

[NeilT]

It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

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It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

It's funny you mention this.  My gut feeling when I read the Atl Const. article this morning was that if the Astros do trade Everett then they would let Burke take over at short (or at least give him a real good look in ST).  I have never seen Burke play short so I am in no way advocating this move.

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It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

It's funny you mention this.  My gut feeling when I read the Atl Const. article this morning was that if the Astros do trade Everett then they would let Burke take over at short (or at least give him a real good look in ST).  I have never seen Burke play short so I am in no way advocating this move.

Be great if Burke could get traded as a SS to another team.  I'm hoping he and Lane get traded this off season.

[Kent's Moustache]

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Did they propose the trade recently? For who? Furcal? That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA. Francouer?

No way in hell the Braves trade Francouer this offseason.  Not unless somebody drops the tailgate and rolls out a helluva' lot more than a defensive SS.

I'm always befuddled by suggestions that teams (other than Kansas City) might be willing to trade away high-profile, pre-arbitration talent.  Unless they know it's overvalued in the market.  See, e.g., Burke.

Is Francouer overvalued by the market?  Maybe.  If not, the Braves won't deal him.  If so, then why would the Astros want him?

[NeilT]

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Did they propose the trade recently? For who? Furcal? That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA. Francouer?

No way in hell the Braves trade Francouer this offseason.  Not unless somebody drops the tailgate and rolls out a helluva' lot more than a defensive SS.

I'm always befuddled by suggestions that teams (other than Kansas City) might be willing to trade away high-profile, pre-arbitration talent.  Unless they know it's overvalued in the market.  See, e.g., Burke.

Is Francouer overvalued by the market?  Maybe.  If not, the Braves won't deal him.  If so, then why would the Astros want him?

I'm a little unclear.  Is Burke high-profile, pre-arbitration talent, or is Burke overvalued in the market?

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I'm always befuddled by suggestions that teams (other than Kansas City) might be willing to trade away high-profile, pre-arbitration talent.  Unless they know it's overvalued in the market.  See, e.g., Burke.

[realmenofgenius] Here's to you, Mr. Preposterous Trade Suggestor [/realmenofgenius]

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Did they propose the trade recently? For who? Furcal? That makes no kind of sense, he's an FA. Francouer?

No way in hell the Braves trade Francouer this offseason.  Not unless somebody drops the tailgate and rolls out a helluva' lot more than a defensive SS.

I'm always befuddled by suggestions that teams (other than Kansas City) might be willing to trade away high-profile, pre-arbitration talent.  Unless they know it's overvalued in the market.  See, e.g., Burke.

Is Francouer overvalued by the market?  Maybe.  If not, the Braves won't deal him.  If so, then why would the Astros want him?

Yeah, I don't know how Francouer's name found its way into this thread.  That's about as close to untouchable as they come.

They do have a couple of nice looking SS prospects though, it seems.

Is Burke overvalued in your eyes because you don't think he's much of a player, or because you think other teams will already appreciate him as a very good player based on his postseason success?

[CJM]

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It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

Has Burke shown that he is (or can be) such a improvement over Everett at the plate that it would make up for the defensive downgrade?  Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm?  I think that might be too big of a gamble because if it doesn't work out (and Everett is gone) the only other option on the roster could be Bruntlett.  Bruntlett playing everyday limits Garner's options off the bench among other things.

[Reuben]

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It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

Has Burke shown that he is (or can be) such a improvement over Everett at the plate that it would make up for the defensive downgrade?  Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm?  I think that might be too big of a gamble because if it doesn't work out (and Everett is gone) the only other option on the roster could be Bruntlett.  Bruntlett playing everyday limits Garner's options off the bench among other things.

It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

[Reuben]

By the way: what's the story on Tommy Whiteman? Is he still a SS? Is he still on the radar as a possible future starter?

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It's too bad Burke can't manage shortstop for a couple of years.  Trading Everett for one of Atlanta's SS prospects could work for both teams, if the Astros could also get some offense in left and park Burke at SS until Biggio is gone.

Has Burke shown that he is (or can be) such a improvement over Everett at the plate that it would make up for the defensive downgrade?  Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm?  I think that might be too big of a gamble because if it doesn't work out (and Everett is gone) the only other option on the roster could be Bruntlett.  Bruntlett playing everyday limits Garner's options off the bench among other things.

It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I agree with Jim R on this one (Burke's ability to play SS).  He wouldn't be the SS that Lugo was, even defensively.

Also, I think it's a mistake to take player you supposedly think highly of and jerk him around the field.

[CJM]

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It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I realize that.  That's why my comment included "Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm".  My point was that thinking Burke would be a better option at SS than the current starter is pretty fucking stupid. I don't need to be convinced.

[JimR]

Whiteman cannot play. period.

[NeilT]

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It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I realize that.  That's why my comment included "Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm".  My point was that thinking Burke would be a better option at SS than the current starter is pretty fucking stupid. I don't need to be convinced.

What's in the 'Stros head for shopping Everett (if they are)?  There's not any significant SS in the minor leagues is there?  There doesn't appear to be any Braves' minor leaguer who's ready to play.

[Kent's Moustache]

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It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I realize that.  That's why my comment included "Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm".  My point was that thinking Burke would be a better option at SS than the current starter is pretty fucking stupid. I don't need to be convinced.

What's in the 'Stros head for shopping Everett (if they are)?  There's not any significant SS in the minor leagues is there?  There doesn't appear to be any Braves' minor leaguer who's ready to play.

The only SS on the Astros farm who appears anywhere close to being able to play in the Bigs is '05 Round Rock SS Danny Klassen.

From what I saw and read, Klassen was having a pretty strong year at Round Rock (his first with the Astros organization) until suffering a season-ending injury in July.  Klassen also turned 30 a couple months ago.

For those who saw more Express action than me this summer, do you think Klassen is a viable SS prospect for the Astros in '06?

[Arky Vaughan]

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[realmenofgenius]Here's to you, Mr. Preposterous Trade Suggestor[/realmenofgenius]

Classic.

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[JimR]

there is a song about todd?

[Arky Vaughan]

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there is a song about todd?

If not specifically about him, it certainly qualifies as his anthem.

[MusicMan]

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Klassen also turned 30 a couple months ago.
*snip* do you think Klassen is a viable SS prospect for the Astros in '06?

Think you might have answered your own question.

[VirtualBob]

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Whiteman cannot play. period.

I was struggling to find some way to say this with more tact and finally gave up.  Thanks for clearing this up.

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Klassen also turned 30 a couple months ago.
*snip* do you think Klassen is a viable SS prospect for the Astros in '06?

Think you might have answered your own question.

He was coming back from some kind of injury, too.  He hit well, but was not too stellar in the field at SS.  If he is fully recovered, he would make a great AAAA regular ready to step up in a utility role if needed.  He can play 2B, 3B & LF reasonably well and SS in a pinch.  I don't think the word "prospect" fits, though.

[JimR]

i thought he was solid everywhere they played him and a huge upgrade over Whiteman at SS. i think he was injured down the stretch and did not play. he is no prospect, i agree, and has jad previous time in MLB, i think.

[DVauthrin]

Klassen was a member of the D-Backs from 1998 to 2002, and was with the Tigers for 22 games of the 2003 season.  

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It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I realize that.  That's why my comment included "Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm".  My point was that thinking Burke would be a better option at SS than the current starter is pretty fucking stupid. I don't need to be convinced.

What's in the 'Stros head for shopping Everett (if they are)?  There's not any significant SS in the minor leagues is there?  There doesn't appear to be any Braves' minor leaguer who's ready to play.

Theres a possibility that Purp may be looking into the FA market at maybe Furcal or maybe even Garciaparra for a year.

Don't you love the hot stove?

[Reuben]

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What's in the 'Stros head for shopping Everett (if they are)?  There's not any significant SS in the minor leagues is there?  There doesn't appear to be any Braves' minor leaguer who's ready to play.

Theres a possibility that Purp may be looking into the FA market at maybe Furcal or maybe even Garciaparra for a year.

Don't you love the hot stove?

There's also Alex (Marlins) Gonzalez- but he's like Everett with not-as-great D.

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It's been discussed at length elsewhere on this forum- Burke doesn't have the skills, esp. the arm, to play major-league SS. To me, Everett's trade value vs. Replacement/ upgrade cost is not good. You ride him out, and hope he can hit .260 and take some more walks. He's already got plenty of power and speed for the glove.

I realize that.  That's why my comment included "Would the extra offense that Burke may provide be enough to make up for the extra outs the Astros' opponents might get by way of more errors, less range, and slower release/weaker arm".  My point was that thinking Burke would be a better option at SS than the current starter is pretty fucking stupid. I don't need to be convinced.

What's in the 'Stros head for shopping Everett (if they are)?  There's not any significant SS in the minor leagues is there?  There doesn't appear to be any Braves' minor leaguer who's ready to play.

Theres a possibility that Purp may be looking into the FA market at maybe Furcal or maybe even Garciaparra for a year.

Don't you love the hot stove?

I didn't think Garciaparra could play SS anymore, and I can't imagine the Stros would think seriously about Furcal.  He's just not the kind of guy they would sign.

[Taras Bulba]

Does anyone know the ultimate source of the Everett trade speculation?  Stranger things happen, but I'm having a difficult time imagining Houston parting with him.

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Does anyone know the ultimate source of the Everett trade speculation?

some writer had a deadline, and at the same time had to take a gigantic crap.  he solved both problems on his keyboard.