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Does Anyone Know of a Good ChiSox Scouting Report?
« on: October 20, 2005, 11:41:41 am »
And not a rehash of statistics, either. We have some games yet to play. Link(s) appreciated in advance. Anybody know good scoop on this club?

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2005, 11:43:29 am »
A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

The Link

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2005, 11:51:31 am »
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A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

The Link

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From the looks of that, they know as much about the Astros as we know about the White Sox.

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 11:59:54 am »
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A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

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From the looks of that, they know as much about the Astros as we know about the White Sox.





That's what I was getting, too.

SO far, their starters are better, they have a great history against Roger and Andy, their pen is better, they are faster, and they have a better lineup.

Oh, and MMPark should play right into their hands.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2005, 12:00:41 pm »
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From the looks of that, they know as much about the Astros as we know about the White Sox.




Maybe less.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2005, 12:04:29 pm »
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From the looks of that, they know as much about the Astros as we know about the White Sox.




Maybe less.





One thing I picked up right away, with Reinsdorf, Pierzynski, Everett, and Guillen, they're way ahead in the crazy column.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2005, 12:21:39 pm »
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A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

The Link

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2005, 12:36:03 pm »
Foghorn's Scouting Report on the WHite Sox...

Long Version:

Despite playing in a park just as friendly to hitters as MMPUS (if not moreso), AND having the DH, the White Sox scored a grand total of 48 more runs than the Astros did.  

48 fucking runs.  The Braves scored more runs than the WhiteSox.  The Braves scored more runs than the White SOx.  The Cards outscored the WhiteSox by 50+ runs.

If you believe the pythagorean theorem of baseball they were actually a 91-71 team (much like Houston).

As a team they hit 262/322/425.  Only Konerko and Podsednil have an OBP above .350 (and Konerko tops out at .375).  They steal bases but not at a very high success rate.  Predominantly right-handed hitting (Podsednik and AJ ar lefties, C4 is a switch).

Berkman/Ensberg each had better offensive years than Konerko.

Their pitching is real strong, but none of their Big 4 are better than any of our Big 3.  Look for Potts/marte to keep Berkman batting right-handed in the late innings.  Only Contreras had more than 150 k's despite each pitching more than 200 innings.

Short Version:

They ain't shit.  We beat 2 better teams in the Braves/Cards.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2005, 01:41:27 pm »
I'm a lifelong Sox fan, and an Astros Fan since '80.

Here ya go:

The Sox win with a combination of solid starting piching and an offense that sometimes uses small-ball and sometimes waits for the big homer.

Starters: Ozzie has a philosopy that all his starters have to give him 7 innings of work each game.

Contreras: He looked horrible for the first half of the season, but has somehow put it all together in August. It will be hard for the Astros to score more than one or two against him.

Buerhle: Solid pitcher, can be dependent on his breaking balls to work, he can be hit early, and late, sometimes gets ratted by rallys

Garland: if he's on a roll, hitters are in trouble, if he's shaky, he could be gone in 2-3 innings. His confidence is the key.

Garcia: Totally thrives on away games and day games. Sometimes throws poorly, but guts out of jams. Will be tough in Minute Maid.

Bullpen:
Hernandez is a perfect long reliever, works great under pressure, much better pitcher with no one on base, so he can use the high leg kick. Cotts has been murder on lefties, Politte can be hit, if Hermanson is healthy, he's great, but gives up homers sometimes. Jenks is filthy. 98-102 fastball with a dirty curve ball, if he can get it near the plate. We haven't seen him deal with playoff pressure yet, so who knows.

Offense:
At the top of the lineup, the Sox job is to get Podsednik on base, have him steal or bunted over by Iguchi, and have Dye, Konerko or C4 drive him in. Ozzie will settle for single runs in this situation if needed. Pods will work the count to 3-2 each at bat if possible, Iguchi has hit great in situations with Pods on base, and has surprising power. Dye isn't suited for the 3 spot, but has performed well in the playoffs, sometimes swings at bad pitches. Konerko's a streaky hitter, but he's hot right now. Everett, we know about, he's very impatient at the plate. Rowand started the year hitting well, but he's ice cold now. Has good speed. A.J. seems to be in the middle of all the great Sox plays, can hit a homer now and then, strikes out a bit too much. Crede has been money throughout the playoffs. Uribe is also a very streaky hitter, he hits lots of fly balls when he's off his swing. Too bad Frank Thomas won't play, he'd be fun. Subs: Speed with Harris and Ozuna, Timo Perez is a good singles hitter, Blum, we know about, Widger has had some key hits this season.

The White Sox defense is surprisingly good, Uribe, Podsednik and Rowand are outstanding, Crede, Dye can make great plays at times, but are above average, Iguchi makes great plays, but can take a play off at times, doesn't get to too many short outfield flies. Konerko is average.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2005, 01:53:30 pm »
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The Sox win with a combination of solid starting piching and an offense that sometimes uses small-ball and sometimes waits for the big homer.




Hmmm... sounds familiar.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2005, 02:16:39 pm »
The NL games are going to present the issue of playing Everett.  I read he has played in the field since 1st week of Sept.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2005, 03:26:49 pm »
I think C4 will be a pinch hitter in the Houston games, unless there's an overwhelming advantage against a certain pitcher. Dye is a much better fielder.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2005, 05:05:57 pm »
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The NL games are going to present the issue of playing Everett.  I read he has played in the field since 1st week of Sept.




I will be VERY surprised if C4 starts a single game in Houston. They will probably miss his bat, but that should tell us how much they value his glove.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2005, 06:48:16 pm »
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A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

The Link

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2005, 06:55:11 pm »
Thank you for the report.

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A.J. ... strikes out a bit too much.




This does not jibe with what I've heard or what the stats seem to suggest. Is there a particular situation that he tends to strike out in?

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2005, 06:58:26 pm »
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Thank you for the report.

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A.J. ... strikes out a bit too much.




This does not jibe with what I've heard or what the stats seem to suggest. Is there a particular situation that he tends to strike out in?





Usually when he has two strikes on him.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2005, 07:00:09 pm »
I just wanted to congratulate all of the Astros fans on this board.  I'm a life-long Cardinals fan and have enjoyed the rivalry with the Astros over the last 10 years or so.  You played a great series and totally outplayed the Cards.  Congratulations on the pennant and go get those White Sox.

I have always enjoyed reading this board, ever since it was Astrosconnection.com  It provides info from knowledgable fans, even if some of you are crazy!  I always get a big laugh when I visit - and I love the glossery!

For anyone who is interested,  I have a blank copy of the Scorecard from Game 6 at Busch Stadium printed and distributed in the pressbox.  Email me and I will be happy to email a PDF of the Sheet.

Good luck in the series...

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2005, 07:10:46 pm »
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Thank you for the report.

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A.J. ... strikes out a bit too much.




This does not jibe with what I've heard or what the stats seem to suggest. Is there a particular situation that he tends to strike out in?




Usually when he has two strikes on him.




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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2005, 07:12:52 pm »
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A good White Sox fan site, much like OWA:

The Link

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2005, 07:19:43 pm »
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Thank you for the report.

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A.J. ... strikes out a bit too much.




This does not jibe with what I've heard or what the stats seem to suggest. Is there a particular situation that he tends to strike out in?




Usually when he has two strikes on him.




Although sometimes not even when he has three.

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2005, 07:25:34 pm »
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Usually when he has two strikes on him.



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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2005, 07:38:36 pm »
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Thank you for the report.

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A.J. ... strikes out a bit too much.




This does not jibe with what I've heard or what the stats seem to suggest. Is there a particular situation that he tends to strike out in?




Usually when he has two strikes on him.




Although sometimes not even when he has three.




It was a still a strikeout. Just not an out-out.
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2005, 07:48:03 pm »
Did you know that noone had more hits with two strikes this season?
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2005, 10:18:21 pm »
So, Alkie, will you be going over to taunt ChiSox fan?
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2005, 10:27:33 pm »
Well, it worked last series, didn't it?  Not that I was really taunting Cards fans.

You know, it's funny.  I hope we win, but it won't crush me at all if we lose.  Not even close.  

NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS is the biggest feat of my Astro fandom.  I'm ok with it.

Just attending the Astros World Series is going to be a memory of a lifetime.  If we win, it'll just be that much sweeter.

And I really don't have anything whatsoever against the WhiteSox.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2005, 10:43:10 pm »
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Well, it worked last series, didn't it?  Not that I was really taunting Cards fans.

You know, it's funny.  I hope we win, but it won't crush me at all if we lose.  Not even close.  

NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS is the biggest feat of my Astro fandom.  I'm ok with it.

Just attending the Astros World Series is going to be a memory of a lifetime.  If we win, it'll just be that much sweeter.

And I really don't have anything whatsoever against the WhiteSox.





I suspect your outlook may change considerably in the next couple of days.

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2005, 10:55:18 pm »
No, I really doubt it.

Look, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want us to win, but I won't feel devastated if we lose, like I would have if we lost the NLCS to the Cards.

This is the farthest we've ever gotten.  I don't see how that can be crushing.  

I guess it's kind of like making the Final Four.  Winning it is really the main goal, but at least you know you were a Final Four team, and that actually means something.

If your point was that I'd learn to hate the WhiteSox, I really doubt it.  It takes seasons for me to learn to "hate" a team.  

While I think this is going to be one of the best World Series in decades (thanks to the pitching staffs), it would have been easier to "hate" the other team if we played the Yanks or RedSox.

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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2005, 08:36:24 am »
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Well, it worked last series, didn't it?  Not that I was really taunting Cards fans.

You know, it's funny.  I hope we win, but it won't crush me at all if we lose.  Not even close.  

NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS is the biggest feat of my Astro fandom.  I'm ok with it.

Just attending the Astros World Series is going to be a memory of a lifetime.  If we win, it'll just be that much sweeter.

And I really don't have anything whatsoever against the WhiteSox.





I suspect your outlook may change considerably in the next couple of days.





Agree, I want it all. I witnessed Spec Richardson's dismantling of a young talented club, the nadir of 1975, the franchise move rumors, the 1980 and 1986 playoff losses (the 1986 still grinds at me- Doran's towel draped over his head is one of the saddest sights in Astros' history), the injuries to Thon and Richard, deaths to too many to count, the disappointment collapses to Atlanta, getting San Diego at a peak moment, and dropping two to the Cards last year.

The only good thing about simply being in the WS is that Biggio and Bagwell now "should" get into the HOF. Any entity with Ryneburg in it needs validation.

Satisfied with just being there? Not in my universe. Do it for Julio Gotay, if no other reason can be found.

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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2005, 11:10:18 am »
Since I don't live in Chicago, I don't get to watch alot of their games, but my wife is a big fan of them, so I do watch some.  I think there are a couple of big keys to their team.

1) Don't let Pods get on.  He is the single biggest factor to their offensive success.
2) Make them hit their way on.  They are agressive hitters, but you have to stay ahead of them in the count, lots of first pitch strikes are a must.
3) They play for one run nearly every time the lead off guy gets on.  They play more for the HR type inning if the first guy makes an out.

As far as pitching goes
4) Their starters other than Buehrle rely heavily on early inning success to carry them through the rest of the game, get them early and you should get them often.  Don't and you are praying for perfect pitching from your team.
5) They pitch better with a lead (doesn't everyone?).  But with them it can be even more of a night and day difference even with just a one run lead.
6) There bullpen is stronger now that Hernandez is there, otherwise it was very shaky.  Jenks seems to be the next "great" closer type person.  Throws really hard and has really nasty stuff, but is very young.  You never know if he is going to be a Farnsworth or a Lidge under pressure.

So to me the biggest thing in this series is keeping Pods off the bases as much as possible and scoring early.  If the Astros do both those things, they should win.

I think Houston will have an advantage at home in that Ozzie has really not had to deal with the "do I pull my starter for a pinch-hitter in the 7th" question much if at all this year.  It might come down to something as small as that being the difference in this series.  The teams are THAT close.