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thank you Laroche
« on: October 09, 2005, 08:17:40 pm »
your jog around the bases to get thrown out at home saved us.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2005, 08:19:34 pm »
No kidding. My Mom, who is a casual fan at best, was watching at that time, and asked if he was hurt. Not hurt, but he hurt his team.

I have a TV headache, but am loving it. I think I would *almost* trade attendance at Backe's Game 5 Gem from last year to have been at the game today. Man.

I hope the guys go comatose tonight, to recharge properly for the Cardinals on what, Tuesday?
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2005, 08:22:08 pm »
a famous quote from Bull Durem... Loligagging....
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2005, 08:24:27 pm »
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I hope the guys go comatose tonight, to recharge properly for the Cardinals on what, Tuesday?



Wednesday.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2005, 08:53:08 pm »
It's not like he suddenly went faster once he was waved home..  perhaps he's just got Berkman speed.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2005, 09:26:06 pm »
never crossed his mind he would be sent.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2005, 09:29:58 pm »
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never crossed his mind he would be sent.



Not his job to think about that, is it? His job is to run hard regardless.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2005, 09:54:10 pm »
exactly. he was coasting first to third and planning on stopping.

good thing Burke's shot went out. he was in his HR trot halfway to first. running all out no matter what is one of the great aspects of Biggio.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2005, 11:46:00 pm »
Cox was asked in his press conference if LaRoche came out of the game because he was hurt at the plate. He said he had been sick, throwing up before the game, and his legs gave out on him.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 12:45:32 am »
Isn't that something a third base coach should have been aware of?
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2005, 11:03:30 am »
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Cox was asked in his press conference if LaRoche came out of the game because he was hurt at the plate. He said he had been sick, throwing up before the game, and his legs gave out on him.



Sick or not sick, he was not running full out. Cox is just protecting him.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2005, 11:09:07 am »
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Cox was asked in his press conference if LaRoche came out of the game because he was hurt at the plate. He said he had been sick, throwing up before the game, and his legs gave out on him.



I will say this...When I first saw the play live I definitely thought he was dogging it.  When I saw the reply, I definitely saw him let up just a bit a step or two before...and a step or two after 2nd base.  But as you can see....the rest of the way he was running hard in my opinion...he just didn't have the leg strength to go any faster.  I know this because he actually ran the same or slower after getting the green light to go home by the 3rd base coach.  I thought that it was rather bizzare that he didn't speed up...being sick explains it.  I don't think Bobby's lying about him being sick.

Regardless though...the slow up right at 2nd hurt his cause and was probably still the difference in getting nailed at the plate.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2005, 11:22:18 am »
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Cox was asked in his press conference if LaRoche came out of the game because he was hurt at the plate. He said he had been sick, throwing up before the game, and his legs gave out on him.



Sick or not sick, he was not running full out. Cox is just protecting him.



Does that change the fact he was sick with the flu?  

"Yeah, there was a little miscommunication," LaRoche said. "I was planning on staying, with the ball (hit by Francouer) in the left-field corner. I was watching it, and I was planning on holding up at third. "He (Gonzalez) waved me around; I turned it on (too late). It was my fault. I've got to be looking at him, I guess, on a play like that."
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Is LaRoche just protecting Cox?  Is it all so confusing that we can't trust anything anyone says unless we agree with it?  LaRoche was sick, he knew what he was capable of at the moment, but the 3b coach sent him anyway.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2005, 11:28:00 am »
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exactly. he was coasting first to third and planning on stopping.

good thing Burke's shot went out. he was in his HR trot halfway to first. running all out no matter what is one of the great aspects of Biggio.



You mean like in the eighth inning when he busted his tail to first on the could be 5-3 double play, which later led to a Berkman grand slam, which later led to an Ausmus solo shot, which later led to a Burke walk off, which resulted in a return trip to the NLCS?
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2005, 11:32:58 am »
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Is LaRoche just protecting Cox?  Is it all so confusing that we can't trust anything anyone says unless we agree with it?  LaRoche was sick, he knew what he was capable of at the moment, but the 3b coach sent him anyway.


LaRoche can't be making his own decisions at 2nd and then blaming the coach for sending him when he gets to 3rd.  His job was to run flat out and keep going until he's given a stop sign.  He didn't.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2005, 11:36:06 am »
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Is LaRoche just protecting Cox?  Is it all so confusing that we can't trust anything anyone says unless we agree with it?  LaRoche was sick, he knew what he was capable of at the moment, but the 3b coach sent him anyway.


LaRoche can't be making his own decisions at 2nd and then blaming the coach for sending him when he gets to 3rd.  His job was to run flat out and keep going until he's given a stop sign.  He didn't.



What I'm trying to sort out is LaRoche protecting the 3b coach or is the 3b coach the fall guy for Cox?  LaRoche made a bad base running decision, mostly due, (on this play I don't know how LaRoche is normally,) to being sick.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2005, 11:40:58 am »
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What I'm trying to sort out is LaRoche protecting the 3b coach or is the 3b coach the fall guy for Cox?  LaRoche made a bad base running decision, mostly due, (on this play I don't know how LaRoche is normally,) to being sick.


Much like a recent play for the good guys that ended in a similar face-egging at home plate (Luke Scott's non-gapper against the Cubs), I think the coach was going to send LaRoche on anything that split the outfielders.  The trouble with making up his mind before the moment arrived was that once LaRoche had decided he wasn't going all the way home, sending him became the wrong decision.  But the coach had made his mind up, and that was that.

Clusterfuck, is how it is best described.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2005, 11:47:04 am »
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What I'm trying to sort out is LaRoche protecting the 3b coach or is the 3b coach the fall guy for Cox?  LaRoche made a bad base running decision, mostly due, (on this play I don't know how LaRoche is normally,) to being sick.


Much like a recent play for the good guys that ended in a similar face-egging at home plate (Luke Scott's non-gapper against the Cubs), I think the coach was going to send LaRoche on anything that split the outfielders.  The trouble with making up his mind before the moment arrived was that once LaRoche had decided he wasn't going all the way home, sending him became the wrong decision.  But the coach had made his mind up, and that was that.

Clusterfuck, is how it is best described.



Exactly.  Watching the replay, the 3rd base coach was watching the play in LF the whole way...he started the windmill before he ever looked back to see LaRoche's location on the bases.
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2005, 12:33:58 pm »
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Exactly.  Watching the replay, the 3rd base coach was watching the play in LF the whole way...he started the windmill before he ever looked back to see LaRoche's location on the bases.



Exactly ... The coach has every right to expect the baserunner to have his head in the game.  He knew how fast LaRoche is and where he ought to be if he had been paying attention.  The play might have been close, but it was the right decision to make.  Except that LaRoche (for whatever reason) did not have his head in the game ... witness his own comments about what he expected and what his attitude was about advancing.

Bottom line ... baserunner's job is to run like hell.  coach's job is to tell him when to quit.  Maybe LaRock will have a coaching future?
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Re: thank you Laroche
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2005, 12:43:27 pm »
Sick, slow or not and just like the Scott/Gipson play, the 3B coach is putting the pressure on the defence to hit the relay man and then make the perfect throw.  Which we did.
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