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Week 8/25 - 8/31: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive vol. XXIX
« on: August 25, 2005, 03:28:34 pm »
New week.  Minor league seasons are coming to a close soon.
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Torbert Streaking Again
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2005, 10:44:22 pm »
Beau Torbert just hit his 3rd HR in 3 games.  

Any idea who they will send to Lex now that they are down to 3 outfielders?
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Nice debut for J Gutierrez at Salem
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 01:08:42 am »
4 IP
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Gervacio called up from Greeneville
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 06:44:28 am »
Sammy Gervacio who had been Greeneville's closer has been called up to Lexington to fill the roster spot left by Juan G. when he was promoted to Salem

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Arizona Fall League Rosters announced
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2005, 12:53:52 pm »
The following Astros' prospects are on the AFL team in Surprise.


Pitchers:
Philip Brazilla
Jason Hirsh
Aaron Williams

Postion Players:
Wade Robinson
Josh Anderson
Charlton Jimerson

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Re: Arizona Fall League Rosters announced
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2005, 01:00:17 pm »
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The following Astros' prospects are on the AFL team in Surprise.


Pitchers:
Philip Brazilla
Jason Hirsh
Aaron Williams

Postion Players:
Wade Robinson
Josh Anderson
Charlton Jimerson

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Yeah, my list was unofficial, but my source was dead on.
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South Atlantic League Announces
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 01:18:08 pm »
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Re: Arizona Fall League Rosters announced
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2005, 02:03:51 pm »
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The following Astros' prospects are on the AFL team in Surprise.


Pitchers:
Philip Brazilla
Jason Hirsh
Aaron Williams

Postion Players:
Wade Robinson
Josh Anderson
Charlton Jimerson

 Link





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Yeah, my list was unofficial, but my source was dead on.





You and your sources are always very impressive.  Have you and your sources heard anything about the meetings last weel about the changes?
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Re: Arizona Fall League Rosters announced
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2005, 02:11:56 pm »
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Have you and your sources heard anything about the meetings last weel about the changes?





I just check BA and they have an update there.  The Link

Looks like the Greeneville Astro's are a thing of the past and here comes co-op team
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Re: Arizona Fall League Rosters announced
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2005, 02:44:38 pm »
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Have you and your sources heard anything about the meetings last weel about the changes?





I just check BA and they have an update there.  The Link

Looks like the Greeneville Astro's are a thing of the past and here comes co-op team





Yeah.  I hadn't heard anything more than BA had.

I'd have to say that I'm for the change, from a developmental point of view.  When a guy is drafted and begins the season the Astros do not offer any instruction for the first 30 days.  They watch and learn.  By the time the 30 days is up there's generally no more than a month to 6 weeks left for instruction, less if they're a late signee.  At instructional league, instruction begins at once.

So, I'd expect that under the new system draftees would report to instructs and begin a lengthy instructional program just about immediately, preparing them for the following season.  With a lengthened and formalized instructional league, IMO this should benefit new draftees.
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Re: Torbert Streaking Again
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2005, 11:07:23 pm »
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Beau Torbert just hit his 3rd HR in 3 games.  

Any idea who they will send to Lex now that they are down to 3 outfielders?





Beau is very hot.  Over his last 4 games he is 9 of 16 with 3 doubles, 3 homers, 6 runs scored, 10 RBI's and two outfield assist.  Sounds like a player of the week candidate to me.  

As for the outfielder question, 2nd baseman Clint McGill is filling in the outfield tonight.  He has also pitched one inning this year.
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Hernandez and Hirsh
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 11:20:35 pm »
Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?

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Re: Hernandez and Hirsh
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 01:06:00 am »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.
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Hernandez and Nieve...
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2005, 09:45:05 am »
According to the local Austin rag (I don't see the article posted online yet), Hernandez's injury was a strained left quad and it appears he's gonna be out awhile.

And yet another Express starter goes down as Fernando Nieve underwent an emergency appendectomy late Saturday.
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Ben Zobrist was apparently selected to the USA squad...
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2005, 10:34:31 am »
that will be competing in the 2005 World Cup tournament in the Netherlands from Sept. 2-18. His place on the Salem roster will be taken by Edwin Maysonet, who gets bumped up from Lexington.

I guess the post-season surgery on the torn meniscus in his knee will just have to wait a little longer.

See 'da information-scarce blurb  here.
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Re: Hernandez and Hirsh
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2005, 10:57:23 am »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.
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Also on Hirsh
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 11:03:40 am »
He's been pulled from the AFL.  Too many innings.  He could end up this Texas League season with more than 170 innings pitched.
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Hirsh
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2005, 02:56:52 pm »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.




Wonder if he'll piggy back with Backe or be promoted to NO to help cover the Hernandez/Nieve issues?

Too bad he won't be in the AFL, but I don't think he'd have too much to prove there.  Any word on the replacements?
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Mike Floyd hit for Cycle
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 02:59:28 pm »
Congrats to Salem's Mike Floyd who had a career night last night:

5-5, 2B, 3B, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 4 R and whopping 14 TB.

He's certainly not a prospect, but a great performance on this night.
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Re: Hirsh
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2005, 04:05:10 pm »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.




Wonder if he'll piggy back with Backe or be promoted to NO to help cover the Hernandez/Nieve issues?

Too bad he won't be in the AFL, but I don't think he'd have too much to prove there.  Any word on the replacements?




He won't be going to Houston; he's not on the 40-man roster.  I doubt he'll be promoted; it's late in the season and Corpus is fighting for a playoff spot.  They'll need him to get it.

I haven't heard who will replace him.  If it's a pitcher, look for someone who hasn't amassed as many innings as Hirsh.
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In case you're interested...
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2005, 07:12:22 pm »
BAonline has now posted an  article about the squad the USA is sending to this year's World Cup. An excerpt:

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...the roster has few high-ceiling players. Aside from the Mets representatives, the best prospects are Padres righthander Jared Wells, Mariners catcher Rob Johnson and Astros shortstop Ben Zobrist.


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Re: Hirsh
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2005, 10:35:40 pm »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.




Wonder if he'll piggy back with Backe or be promoted to NO to help cover the Hernandez/Nieve issues?

Too bad he won't be in the AFL, but I don't think he'd have too much to prove there.  Any word on the replacements?




He won't be going to Houston; he's not on the 40-man roster.  I doubt he'll be promoted; it's late in the season and Corpus is fighting for a playoff spot.  They'll need him to get it.

I haven't heard who will replace him.  If it's a pitcher, look for someone who hasn't amassed as many innings as Hirsh.




Guess it didn't come across...wasn't implying that he would go to Houston.  The piggy back was a reference to the game on HOU meaning that Backe would start the game with 3 IP and then Hirsh would finish out.
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Re: Hirsh
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2005, 12:14:16 am »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.




Wonder if he'll piggy back with Backe or be promoted to NO to help cover the Hernandez/Nieve issues?

Too bad he won't be in the AFL, but I don't think he'd have too much to prove there.  Any word on the replacements?




He won't be going to Houston; he's not on the 40-man roster.  I doubt he'll be promoted; it's late in the season and Corpus is fighting for a playoff spot.  They'll need him to get it.

I haven't heard who will replace him.  If it's a pitcher, look for someone who hasn't amassed as many innings as Hirsh.




Guess it didn't come across...wasn't implying that he would go to Houston.  The piggy back was a reference to the game on HOU meaning that Backe would start the game with 3 IP and then Hirsh would finish out.




This obviously didn't happen as Backe went 3 tonight and was followed by newcomer Josh Miller.  Backe gave up 2 with 4 K's and took the loss.  I wouldn't have expected them to do that kind of thing with a horse like Hirsh anyway.
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Clemens promoted
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2005, 11:58:13 pm »
I am out of town but my wife has heard that Koby has been or is about to be moved to tri cities.  May just be a rumor but thought I would throw it out here.
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Re: Clemens promoted
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2005, 09:53:25 am »
Clemens does join the V-Cats for their last 9 games while current V-Cat players Wlad Sutil, German Melendez and Luke Barganier get moved up to Lexington.

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Promotions, the sequel...
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2005, 10:17:20 am »
Jimerson got the callup to RR (replacing Luke Scott) and made a PH appearance in last night's game vs. the Isotopes.

He singled.
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Re: Promotions, the sequel...
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2005, 10:44:25 am »
May have missed it, but did Bagwell PH in Chorpus last night?
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Re: Promotions, the sequel...
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2005, 11:08:07 am »
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No, his rehab was pushed back a day.
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From the Corpus Christi Caller about Baggy's rehab...
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Bagwell will be stepping into the cauldron of a three-team pennant race with five games to go in the Texas League season.




Damn, think he'll be able to handle the pressure?
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End of season assessments
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2005, 11:24:48 am »
I haven't been able to follow the minors as much this year as I wanted to, but I'd like to get an idea of whose stock has risen/fallen the most.

I know it's not quite over for most minor league teams, but could someone give a quick and dirty assessment of a few players this year? Specifically, I'm interested in how these players faired, aside from stats:
Taylor Buckholz (has he completely fallen off the radar?)
Hunter Pence
Josh Anderson
Troy Patton
Fernando Nieve
Mitch Einerston
Charlton Jimerson
Tony Pluta
some of the Astros' 2005 draftees
anyone else whose stock may have risen/fallen dramatically this year

Nothing fancy needed, just a gut reaction from you guys who have followed the minors this season and might have an "in" on how the organization is thinking. Thanks.
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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2005, 04:08:45 pm »
I don't have an "in" with the organization but will take a stab at your question.

Bucholtz - hurt off and on all year (mainly shoulder I think);  pitched pretty well before latest injury;  Stock the same.
Pence - I'm guessing he exceeded even the Astros expectations this season;  Probably Stros #1 prospect as far as ceiling;  Stock way the fuck up.
Anderson - Has played well...pretty much the same as last year, but at a higher level (now AA).  Lotta speed, no pop if you go by the numbers;  Stock the same.
Patton - Pitched extremely well 1st half, earing an invitation to the Futures game;  was shelved for a couple weeks with tendinitis in shoulder I think;  Pitched well afterwards but hasn't pitched past 3IP since;  Stock way up.
Nieve - Pitched well enough to earn a promotion to AAA RR, and was fairly successfull there;  recently lost for the season due to an appendectomy.  Did as expected IMO;  Stock up.
Einerston - played below expectations all year;  ran into some personal problems causing him to miss few weeks of the season;  Performed well below expectations based on last year's numbers, but this was expected if you're an OWA member due to Jacksonian's "in" during the offseason;  Stock down.
Jimerson - Same story.  Big time talent...big time strike out numbers;  Stock the same.
Pluta - Extremely wild, but at least he's healthy.  No where to go but up after Tommy John surgery, so;  Stock up.

Others with a "Stock up"
Zobrist, Gutierrez, Barthmeier, Hirsh, Sutil

"Stock down"
Albers (personal problems, but has rebounded in last month), Whiteman, Gothreaux (shoulder problems?)

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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2005, 04:13:27 pm »
Nah, you're fine.

I'm mulling over how much time I have to do a full blown minors season recap.
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Re: Hirsh
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2005, 04:50:18 pm »
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Hernandez and Hirsh were each pulled out of their games early tonight. Are they injured or is the club looking to call either one of them up anytime soon?




I suspect Hirsh being pulled had something to do with the 1 1/2 hour rain delay in the Hooks' game against Midland.

And Carlos left the RR game due to a leg injury.




Exactly right on Hirsh.  He has no injury.  He may start Tuesday's game, but no one is sure yet.  I think that's 2 straight starts for Hirsh that have been affected by rain.




Wonder if he'll piggy back with Backe or be promoted to NO to help cover the Hernandez/Nieve issues?

Too bad he won't be in the AFL, but I don't think he'd have too much to prove there.  Any word on the replacements?




He won't be going to Houston; he's not on the 40-man roster.  I doubt he'll be promoted; it's late in the season and Corpus is fighting for a playoff spot.  They'll need him to get it.

I haven't heard who will replace him.  If it's a pitcher, look for someone who hasn't amassed as many innings as Hirsh.




And for my next trick...  Seriously, Hirsh was replaced by Taylor Buchholz on the AFL roster.  Buchholz will be there to get innings in against quality opposition.
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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2005, 05:02:32 pm »
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Patton - Pitched extremely well 1st half, earing an invitation to the Futures game;  was shelved for a couple weeks with tendinitis in shoulder I think;  Pitched well afterwards but hasn't pitched past 3IP since;  Stock way up.

Einerston - played below expectations all year;  ran into some personal problems causing him to miss few weeks of the season;  Performed well below expectations based on last year's numbers, but this was expected if you're an OWA member due to Jacksonian's "in" during the offseason;  Stock down.

Others with a "Stock up"
Zobrist, Gutierrez, Barthmeier, Hirsh, Sutil

"Stock down"
Albers (personal problems, but has rebounded in last month), Whiteman, Gothreaux (shoulder problems?)





Here are some of my thoughts regarding your assessment which is very much on.  

Patton's averaged 4 innings a start (8 starts / 32 innings) since his call up.  His WHIP remained good but his K's dropped after the call up.  Still red hot prospect.

Einertson - Since his return from "family issues" (wink wink).  He has been rather hot and close to his old form.  Still striking out to much though.

I think Ash has exceeded expectations at Lexington and Salem.

Torbert is another that has inproved his standing.  May not be a prospect yet but is showing some promise.

Towles is way up and one to watch next year.

Parraz has dropped in my view.  I am hearing about big attitude problems.  To me it speaks volumns that 3 other outfielders were promoted to Lexington ahead of him while he sits at Tri Cities.
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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2005, 05:40:16 pm »
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some of the Astros' 2005 draftees

Nothing fancy needed, just a gut reaction from you guys who have followed the minors this season and might have an "in" on how the organization is thinking. Thanks.





No in, just gut reaction from going to Greeneville games on the guys who were drafted and were here. Since Greeneville's season is over, here are my thoughts.

Eli Iorg ? Eased into the game after rehabbing a stress fracture.  Is way above this level of play.  Let?s see how he does next year at a higher level ? predict (Lexington)

Ralphie Henriquez ? Would have benefited from the new draft system that sends them straight to instructional league.  Caught 2/3rds of games with only 5 errors.  Average and K?s stunk but showed some pop when he hit it.

Joshua Flores ? The best player to play the full season.  Was the only Appy league All Star from the team.  Led the team in SB, HR, DBL, Triples, and had 26 more hits than anyone else.  Struck out about 1 out of every 5 ab?s. Played LF & CF.  Very serious work ethic.

Brandon Barnes ? Played CF, RF, & DH.  Only hit 200 in 39 games.  Only one error but many of his games were as a DH.

Timothy Johnson ? Timmy had a tough time adjusting to pro ball. 21 Errors in 43 games.  Hitting was picking up near the end of the season, but finished at .192.  Never looked fully comfortable.  Would have benefited from Instructional league.

Koby Clemens ? The boy looks very good.  Handled things well and hit the dickens out of the ball.  Average dipped under 300 towards the end of the season but was promoted to Tri Cities for some extra work.  Fielding not as good.  12 errors in 33 games.

Allen Langdon ? Only played in 11 games.  Have no idea why.  Sample size too small.

Ryan Mitchell ? Most promising young pitcher we had down here.  Had some minor injury issues towards the end of the season.  I heard one him compared to Patton in temperament and toughness.

Jacob Hurry ? Had some really good outings and some really bad outings.  Kind of a mystery.  Still learning how to pitch instead of just throw.  Next year will be a big year for him as he was a 4 year college guy.

Matthew Hirsh ? Jason?s little brother wasn?t that impressive.  About what you would expect a 30th round pick out of college to look like.

Cole Graham ? Not very impressive at all.  That?s all I really can say.

Nathan Warrick ? Too old for the league but showed a lot of toughness and good fielding.  Could grow but will have to do it fast because of age.

Others: Antonio Garcia - time is running out.  This was his 3rd year at rookie ball.  Average down from last year.

Brad James - Pitched simular to Hurry.  Jeckle Hyde starts.  Next year a big year for him after two years at rookie ball.

The projects: Two players were being turned into pitchers this year.  

Edgar Babilonia was sent down from Lexington to learn to pitch. Has massive power and no control.  11.77 ERA in 13 innings with 10k's and 18 walks/25 hits.

Chris Campos was signed to be a LHP after playing outfield for Oregon State.  Better success than Babi.  12.1 innings pitched.  1.75 WHIP. 5.84 ERA but 22 K's.  I expect him to spend some time in instructional league next year and may be a really good set up man in the making.

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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2005, 12:24:21 am »
Good call on Ash and Towles Duman.  Don't know how I missed them.  Brain-fart I guess.

Nice commentary on the drafted players as well.

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Re: End of season assessments
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2005, 08:30:09 am »
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Parraz has dropped in my view.  I am hearing about big attitude problems.  To me it speaks volumns that 3 other outfielders were promoted to Lexington ahead of him while he sits at Tri Cities.




Make that 4 now, as Josh Flores just got promoted to the Legends. He takes the roster spot of Jimmy Barthmaier, who bumps up to Salem and will start one of today's DH games for the Avs.

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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2005, 09:01:19 am »
Anthony Dewitt had been given leave from the team to go look for his wife and daughter who he had not heard from since Katrina had hit near their home of Pass Christian Mississippi. He was able to locate them Wednesday.

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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2005, 12:16:21 pm »
Picked up the win last night in Salem. He pitched 6 innings giving up 1 run and 4 hits.

I also did not realize that Salem lost Zobrist all ready. I thought they would keep him for the playoff run.

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I also did not realize that Salem lost Zobrist all ready. I thought they would keep him for the playoff run.



Don't recall the exact date, but I recall Team USA begining play sometime early Sept, and that was why Zobrist left early... had to prepare with team and such.

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Don't recall the exact date, but I recall Team USA begining play sometime early Sept, and that was why Zobrist left early... had to prepare with team and such.





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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2005, 07:08:34 pm »
Thanks to everyone who replied. Great info.

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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2005, 07:25:14 am »
A few weeks ago, he had been sent to Houston to have his knee examined.  I think they decided at the time to wait till the end of the season for some possible surgery.  Based on that info, I find it a bit suprising that he will play for Team USA.  Does anyone know the current status of his knee?
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2005, 08:06:53 pm »
.429/.714/.857 through 3 games. Of course, the entire USA team has similar gaudy numbers as they've plastered Colombia and Spain (invoking the 10-run mercy rule in both cases) and edged Australia by a 6-4 score.

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I'm a little disappointed in his SLG %.  It's 6th on the team.  I guess the OBP makes up for that though.  
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I'm a little disappointed in his SLG %.  It's 6th on the team.  I guess the OBP makes up for that though.  





To me the most impressive stat is the 7 walks which equals his number of AB's.  That is plate discipline!
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I'm a little disappointed in his SLG %.  It's 6th on the team.  I guess the OBP makes up for that though.  




To me the most impressive stat is the 7 walks which equals his number of AB's.  That is plate discipline!



That is his trademark that.  That is what makes him stand out.  His ability to be an on-base machine combined with solid defense will give him a great shot a making the big club in a couple of years at either SS or 2B, depending on the needs of the club at the time.  This assumes he can continue to hit close to or above .300 at each level too.

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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2005, 03:50:56 pm »
Instead of just doing a top 10 list, I would like to see people's opinions of the top 5 prospects AA & AAA and the top 5 High A and below.

Here is my shot at it

AA & up five
Hirsh
Nieve
Anderson
Buchholz
????

High A and Below (much more to choose from here)
Patton
Pence
Barthmier
Zobrist
Sutil

How does your list compare?
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« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2005, 07:14:00 pm »
Here's my 2 cents:

AA & AAA

Hirsh
Nieve
Anderson
Conrad
Rivera

High A and Below

Patton
Pence
Barthmier
Gutierrez
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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2005, 06:00:50 pm »
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Well they have played 8 games, and head to the medal rounds now... Ben has played in only 7 (only 4 guies has played in all 8 games).  He is crushing the competition (as we have come to expect).  .400/.559/.600, that is 9 walks to only 2 Ks, and 10 hits in 34 Plate Appearances.  He even has 1 HR.

He is definately continuing to show his table setting abilities, having scored 8 runs in 7 games.

The US team is the #4 team in their pool, so they have to face Cuba in the first round of the Medal rounds.  That should be a very tough test, given how shaky the pitching has been for the US squad.  

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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2005, 06:11:07 pm »
I am providing links to a site called On Deck that has their own way of evaluating talent.  I would love to see any feedback of how you think they have ranked Astro's guys:

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Re: Post season recaps
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2005, 12:41:05 pm »
the NYP recaps are NOT Post-season, they are more like mid first half. the best pitcher Tri-City had was McKeller, once the ratings become final he should probably fall in the top 10-15 in the league.

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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2005, 09:35:11 pm »
I knew some of them were not updated.  I forgot to mention that, sorry.
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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2005, 09:07:03 am »
If you look at the top left above the ratings numbers, you will see the date of the report.  NY Penn was updated on 8/3
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« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2005, 11:06:10 am »
based on a poll of league managers included the following Greeneville players on the list:

 #8  OF Josh Flores
#14  OF Eli Iorg
#16  3B Koby Clemens
#19 RHP Ryan Mitchell

The 4 Astros' prospects named to the list represents a league-high, with Elizabethton (Twins) and Johnson City (Cardinals) tied for second with 3.

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Sickles' tops in South Atl. League
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2005, 12:13:06 am »
John Sickles list Jimmy Barthmier as the top start in the SAL>

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The Top 20 Prospects in the NY-Penn League...
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2005, 11:39:07 pm »
were named and Wlad Sutil wasn't on it. He evidently just missed the cut. The NY-P had a strong group of shortstops this year, with 5 of 'em named to the list. 1st round picks Tyler Greene and Jed Lowrie were in that group, as was former UT SS Michael Hollimon (who finished up his college career at Oral Roberts) who put up some very nice offensive numbers for Oneonta.

In other non-news, Brian Bogusevic also wasn't on the list.

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« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2005, 05:00:12 pm »
have been released and includes the following Lex players on the list:

#4 LHP Troy Patton
#11 RHP Jimmy Barthmaier
#15 OF Hunter Pence

Not a bad representation for the organization considering there are 16 teams in the SAL. Rome (Braves) tied with Lexington for most players on the list with 3. 3 teams had 2 players on the list, 8 clubs had 1 player each, and 3 organizations were shut out.

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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2005, 11:18:32 am »
I find it very hard to understand how they think 7 hitters were better than Pence in the SAL last year?   He had 102 hits in 80 games, and even though he only played a touch more than half the games he still was in the top 5 in HRs.  His OPS was the highest in the league (I think) and he had a really good KO/BB ratio.  Very odd.  Was his defense THAT bad?  Or a they giving extra points to those who played the whole season in the SAL?

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I find it very hard to understand how they think 7 hitters were better than Pence in the SAL last year?   He had 102 hits in 80 games, and even though he only played a touch more than half the games he still was in the top 5 in HRs.  His OPS was the highest in the league (I think) and he had a really good KO/BB ratio.  Very odd.  Was his defense THAT bad?  Or a they giving extra points to those who played the whole season in the SAL?




I think the key word is "prospect".  That would involve position, defense, tools, ceiling, age, potential, etc. etc. etc. ... or at least it should.  One of the advantages of this kind of list is that it allows those of us who have only seen "Pence" as an entry in a box score get some sort of read on how he compares as a true prospect.  Statistics can provide some insight, but are far from sufficient to rank anyone as a "prospect".
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Re: Top 20 Prospects in the Sally...
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2005, 12:38:21 pm »
Lots of questions about the Astros prospects in the chat with the guy who did the list:

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BTW, anyone pay the BBA fee, want to give us a clip of the write-ups on the Astros' players?

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« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2005, 01:18:03 pm »
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RE: Zobrist - I'd thought of the Spiers comparison before the season started, but he needs to show he can get the job done at AA and higher before anyone should get on that bandwagon.

RE: Gutierrez - If the Astros believe he's deficient in conditioning and stamina you can bet they'll have him working on it continuously.

RE: Towles - The question was about his defense, but Manuel couldn't help himself and focused on the offense.  "He's got arm strength but his footwork and mechanics keep him from posting good times to second, or from being more than a decent receiver."  If HH reads this perhaps he can give us his view on what Towles will need to do to improve and some kind of timetable.

RE: Barthmaier - Manuel mentions "command and feel".  Barthmaier is young and I have nothing that says he won't continue to improve and become a more complete pitcher.

RE: Einertson - I've been very hard on Einertson here, and I know his time off was due to the problems we alluded to in the pre-season top 10.  I have not heard anything negative about him since his forced time off.  We'll have to wait and see how things go this off-season.

RE: Patton - The Oswalt comparison makes my head hurt.  To compare a kid who hasn't pitched a full season above A ball to a rare major league ace isn't bright.  If it's a comparison of when each was at the A-ball stage, Patton has to be healthy to earn that comparison.  We'll see how Troy does at the higher levels.

These rankings are always good to promote discussion, but keep in mind that they mean nothing.  Einertson is the perfect example of that.
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Re: Top 20 Prospects in the Sally...
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2005, 03:28:59 pm »
Who was the pitcher who was "sat down" because of undisclosed issues...  I think he missed a start or two... Wasn't that Gutierrez?

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Re: Top 20 Prospects in the Sally...
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2005, 06:53:32 pm »
I believe it was Ronnie Martinez.

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« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2005, 12:06:04 am »
are announced and Salem's only rep is Hunter Pence (15th best prospect in the Sally and now 18th best prospect in the Carolina). And Chance Douglass, who led the Carolina League in ERA by nearly half a run, will just have to do the same thing next year in the Texas League before he gets 'da love (from BA, anyway).

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Re: Top 20 Prospects in the Carolina League...
« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2005, 05:12:02 pm »
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are announced and Salem's only rep is Hunter Pence (15th best prospect in the Sally and now 18th best prospect in the Carolina). And Chance Douglass, who led the Carolina League in ERA by nearly half a run, will just have to do the same thing next year in the Texas League before he gets 'da love (from BA, anyway).

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Strange how they listed people with less service time in high A ball than Patton. Guys well below him on the SAL list are on here.

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« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2005, 07:01:39 pm »
Chance was brought up in the chat and was said to be #21 on the list.

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Chance was brought up in the chat and was said to be #21 on the list.




The reasoning was flawed through.  BA has it's attributes, but it simply puts too much on upside versus actual performance in my opinion.

He'll probably be "#21" next year too in AA.
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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2005, 12:54:34 am »
The astros have named their system wide MVPs

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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2005, 03:22:46 am »
Those guys can really hit the long ball.  Listend homerun totals from that link are 60 for Pence, 50 for Sellers, 25 for Flores, 34 for Quintero and 36 for Zazueta.

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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2005, 10:51:29 pm »
I think they got the RBI column mixed up.  

Josh hit 8 dingers and had 25 RBI's for Greeneville. 6 of those homers came in the last month.

Pence hit 25 HR and had 60 RBI's at Lexington in 80 games.

Sellers had 11 HR's and 60 RBI's.
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Coolbaugh really earned a shot in the Bigs this season.  In an example of tragically bad luck, however, he broke his wrist on a HBP just days before Ensberg suffered his injury.

It's bewildering to realize that a guy like Coolbaugh has played that well for that long and never tasted the Show...





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BA's player finder
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2005, 03:07:35 pm »
Checked BA's site today and found this new toy.  It is a great way to gather stats on players to compare for next year.

"NEW! Look up complete statistics for any 2005 minor league player -- including OPS, ground ball/fly ball ratio for pitchers, totals across levels and much, much more."

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« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2005, 07:44:52 am »
BA has announced it's all star teams for each classification.  The Astros have the following reps:

AA - Jason Hirsh
Low A - Hunter Pence, Jimmy Barthmier, Troy Patton, Tim Bogar- Manager of the Year
Rookie Level - Josh Flores

Patton & Barthmier were also listed in statistacal leaders for being #4 & #5 overall in minors ERA.
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