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« on: February 09, 2005, 11:23:50 am »
a good source tells me that the two opportunities currently are with the Mets and the As.
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Re: CF trade
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2005, 11:35:24 am »
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 11:57:01 am »
I'm just guessing, but from the Mets it would probably be Cameron.

And the As have been shopping Eric Byrnes around all winter.

Either one of those would be ok with me so long as the Mets or the As aren't looking for too much in return.

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2005, 12:00:58 pm »
i want Byrnes. i do not know which Astros are being discussed.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2005, 12:08:44 pm »
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i want Byrnes. i do not know which Astros are being discussed.




So long as Byrnes can play CF, which I have every reason to believe, then he gets my vote.   Leaves room in the budget for mid-season help, shouldn't cost too much, is available immediately, and is a better hitter and much better runner than Cameron.

PS - The guy feasts on LHP.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2005, 12:25:26 pm »
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i want Byrnes. i do not know which Astros are being discussed.




So long as Byrnes can play CF, which I have every reason to believe, then he gets my vote.   Leaves room in the budget for mid-season help, shouldn't cost too much, is available immediately, and is a better hitter and much better runner than Cameron.

PS - The guy feasts on LHP.





Reports are that the Pirates are also asking about Byrnes, the "energetic left fielder" is how the locals phrase it.  Byrnes just signed a contract with the A's so his cost is fixed.  $2.2 million plus $25,000 whole dollars from the receiving team if traded.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2005, 12:32:50 pm »
Byrnes = shit for brains.  Dude slides into home, gets blocked off the plate, ball goes past the catcher, dude shoves the catcher, never noticing the ump makes no call, walks back to the dugout, and gets tagged out.  Costs his team a playoff series.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2005, 12:43:53 pm »
my scout friend really likes him. at ST last year, he told us Byrnes "plays like his hair is on fire."

you're pretty hard on a guy who made one stupid play, Foggy. how do you feel about Clemens' pitch selection in Game 7?
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2005, 12:54:57 pm »
To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.  he has time to shove Veritek but neither the time, nor the baseball smarts to notice the ump is just sitting there with his hands in his pockets.  To me it showed he wanted to be a tough guy (by shoving Veritek for blocing the plate) rather than being a smart guy (either by noticing he was blocked from the plate, steping on it again just to make sure, or noticing the ump was not making a call).

I would never think that Clemens' head is not in the game.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2005, 12:59:56 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.  




The same could be said about Berkman at times.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 01:02:40 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.  he has time to shove Veritek but neither the time, nor the baseball smarts to notice the ump is just sitting there with his hands in his pockets.  To me it showed he wanted to be a tough guy (by shoving Veritek for blocing the plate) rather than being a smart guy (either by noticing he was blocked from the plate, steping on it again just to make sure, or noticing the ump was not making a call).




I would ask this: where the hell was the on-deck hitter on this play?
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 01:04:44 pm »
Thanks for the info JimR.  I too would like to see Byrnes as we could use the help offensively.

I hope he can play CF, although I thought I remembered a couple people saying that Byrnes was not the best in CF.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2005, 01:06:05 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.  he has time to shove Veritek but neither the time, nor the baseball smarts to notice the ump is just sitting there with his hands in his pockets.  To me it showed he wanted to be a tough guy (by shoving Veritek for blocing the plate) rather than being a smart guy (either by noticing he was blocked from the plate, steping on it again just to make sure, or noticing the ump was not making a call).




I would ask this: where the hell was the on-deck hitter on this play?





A's, as a team, aren't known for their baseball smarts.  That series was a prime example.  Byrnes fits right in with the rest of the A's.  Still, in a choice between Cameron, Byrnes or Lane in center, Byrnes wouldnt be the worst option.

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2005, 01:09:15 pm »
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A's, as a team, aren't known for their baseball smarts.  That series was a prime example.  Byrnes fits right in with the rest of the A's.  Still, in a choice between Cameron, Byrnes or Lane in center, Byrnes wouldnt be the worst option.





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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2005, 01:09:25 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.




Regardless of whether or not this is the case, it would seem to me that baseball smarts can be taught.

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2005, 01:11:19 pm »
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Regardless of whether or not this is the case, it would seem to me that baseball smarts can be taught.




I agree completely.

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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2005, 01:12:32 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.




Regardless of whether or not this is the case, it would seem to me that baseball smarts can be taught.





Yep, in little league.  Who knows, maybe he could become a better base runner, get Berkman on the same program, but I think we've all seen and heard that once they become a major leaguer, they know everything.

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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2005, 01:12:57 pm »
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Regardless of whether or not this is the case, it would seem to me that baseball smarts can be taught.




I agree completely.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2005, 01:19:08 pm »
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To me, Byrnes fuck up shows his head is not in the game.  he has time to shove Veritek but neither the time, nor the baseball smarts to notice the ump is just sitting there with his hands in his pockets.  To me it showed he wanted to be a tough guy (by shoving Veritek for blocing the plate) rather than being a smart guy (either by noticing he was blocked from the plate, steping on it again just to make sure, or noticing the ump was not making a call).




I would ask this: where the hell was the on-deck hitter on this play?




A's, as a team, aren't known for their baseball smarts.  That series was a prime example.  Byrnes fits right in with the rest of the A's.  Still, in a choice between Cameron, Byrnes or Lane in center, Byrnes wouldnt be the worst option.




Yeah, I still can see Chavez standing there like a dumbass not doing anything.  That was the year after the Giambi non-slide, in the same series where Tejada thought he was interfered with and then proceeded to loolygag and be called out.

As pravata wrote, the A's seem to gather these guys by the bushel.

Byrnes is certainly an option, and a one year deal isn't going to suck up the resources.  But along with Byrnes comes the guy you have to give up to get him.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2005, 01:21:39 pm »
The Astros need a decent outfielder and Byrnes fits that description.  He could benefit from playing under Garner and with the veterans on the team.  It looks like he has a lot more upside than downside. If he proves to be a fuck-up, he should be easy enough to move. Nobody is getting married.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2005, 01:32:58 pm »
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The Astros need a decent outfielder and Byrnes fits that description.  He could benefit from playing under Garner and with the veterans on the team.  It looks like he has a lot more upside than downside. If he proves to be a fuck-up, he should be easy enough to move. Nobody is getting married.




If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2005, 01:41:01 pm »
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If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.






Redding for Byrnes?
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2005, 01:44:35 pm »
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If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.






Redding for Byrnes?





or Duckworth. Does Duckworth bring anything that Redding doesn't?

besdies the fact that most fans are running out of negative things to say about sponge and we have barely gotten started on Duckworth.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2005, 01:48:06 pm »
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If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.






Redding for Byrnes?




or Duckworth. Does Duckworth bring anything that Redding doesn't?

besdies the fact that most fans are running out of negative things to say about sponge and we have barely gotten started on Duckworth.




After a conversation I had the other day with a source, I want Redding gone yesterday for anything.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2005, 01:49:13 pm »
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If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.






Redding for Byrnes?




or Duckworth. Does Duckworth bring anything that Redding doesn't?

besdies the fact that most fans are running out of negative things to say about sponge and we have barely gotten started on Duckworth.




After a conversation I had the other day with a source, I want Redding gone yesterday for anything.




The "I have to consider myself the 5th starter, as of right now" was particularly disturbing.

God knows what this yahoo says in private.
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2005, 01:51:26 pm »
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If the Astros can dig up another Kirk Saarloos, sure why not.  Might be fun watching Berkman, Byrnes, and L(B)ane careening around the MMPUS outfield.






Redding for Byrnes?




or Duckworth. Does Duckworth bring anything that Redding doesn't?

besdies the fact that most fans are running out of negative things to say about sponge and we have barely gotten started on Duckworth.



there's no chance beane is interested in ducky.  there's more of a chance on redding, but i've got my doubts.  the cameron deal seems more likely to me.

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2005, 01:54:08 pm »
I think DUCKWORTH will challenge for the 5th spot this year,
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2005, 01:56:25 pm »
If the choice in centerfield is Byrnes, Cameron, or Lane the Byrnes would be my top choice.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2005, 02:22:18 pm »
So, is there any doubt now that this is predator?
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2005, 02:27:17 pm »
You mean PREDATOR?  I think he's calming down, though.
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2005, 03:43:03 pm »
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After a conversation I had the other day with a source, I want Redding gone yesterday for anything.




OK. I take your word on that. I was hoping on some follow up with the positives for Duckworth, though.

At some point after the Wagner trade last year, I seem to recall reading some similarities between Duckworth and Dotel: limited selection of good pitches which means he could bring for an inning or so, but probably could only thrive as a reliever because the 2nd time through the order, the batter knew what he was going to see.

I was left with the impression he might grow into a nice middle reliever if he ever latched onto the role like Dotel eventually did.
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2005, 03:53:52 pm »
...and to get back on the correct discussion for this thread:

Just noticed that Baseball Prospectus listed the top 5 2005 AL Left Fielders, by PECOTA Projected VORP.

Byrnes comes in at #4.

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2005, 03:57:57 pm »
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...and to get back on the correct discussion for this thread:

Just noticed that Baseball Prospectus listed the top 5 2005 AL Left Fielders, by PECOTA Projected VORP.

]BP link[/url]  





This is probably some kind of record for TZ crapitudalness, and I'm half responsible.  PECOTA has now been mentioned 2x in one day.  At least I didn't say PECOTA Projected VORP.
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...and to get back on the correct discussion for this thread:

Just noticed that Baseball Prospectus listed the top 5 2005 AL Left Fielders, by P***** Projected V***.

]BP link[/url]  





This is probably some kind of record for TZ crapitudalness, and I'm half responsible.  P***** has now been mentioned 2x in one day.  At least I didn't say P***** Projected V***.





Is there a limited number of times it can be mentioned? Is there a filter that starts deleting references after so many times?
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2005, 04:02:19 pm »
And doing a good job in my mind.
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2005, 04:13:41 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

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...and to get back on the correct discussion for this thread:

Just noticed that Baseball Prospectus listed the top 5 2005 AL Left Fielders, by P***** Projected V***.

]BP link[/url]  





This is probably some kind of record for TZ crapitudalness, and I'm half responsible.  P***** has now been mentioned 2x in one day.  At least I didn't say P***** Projected V***.




Is there a limited number of times it can be mentioned? Is there a filter that starts deleting references after so many times?




To what, crapitudalness or crapulance?  We could be in for a real short ride if so.

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2005, 04:15:45 pm »
EasTex: take that VORP shit right on out of here
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2005, 04:17:25 pm »
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EasTex: take that VORP shit right on out of here




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Quote:

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...and to get back on the correct discussion for this thread:

Just noticed that Baseball Prospectus listed the top 5 2005 AL Left Fielders, by P***** Projected V***.

]BP link[/url]  





This is probably some kind of record for TZ crapitudalness, and I'm half responsible.  P***** has now been mentioned 2x in one day.  At least I didn't say P***** Projected V***.




Is there a limited number of times it can be mentioned? Is there a filter that starts deleting references after so many times?




I have seen years go by in the TZ without P***** being mentioned once, much less twice in one day.  It's a frightening thought what kind of thread would break loose if a stop weren't put to it right now.  Good lord.  It would make the intelligent design discussion look, well, intelligent.
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2005, 04:35:29 pm »
How about I link to  this

and see what gems I can find about it.

Taveras isn't the only option, however. Barry Wesson, a former Houston farmhand who spent the last two seasons in the Angels' organization, was invited to Spring Training and will receive consideration to fill the center field needs. The 27-year-old hit .233 with three homers and 24 RBIs over 45 games for Triple-A Salt Lake in 2004.

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2005, 04:37:45 pm »
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 The 27-year-old hit .233 with three homers and 24 RBIs over 45 games for Triple-A Salt Lake in 2004.


yeearrrgggh!




'course you can't really judge a guy by his numbers.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2005, 04:44:50 pm »
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EasTex: take that VORP shit right on out of here





I don't mind VORP.  In fact, one night I was getting hammered at this bar.  I mean HAMMERED.  Think Alkie after any of the most recent Red River Shootouts.

I could barely stand, much less drive home.  Well, who should I run into but VORP.  Kind of a weird looking guy--thick glasses taped across the bridge, pocket protector, slide rule.  But a helluva nice guy.  Gave me a ride home, and told me I could get 2.13457% more fun out of life if I quit drinking so much.

I think I may have peed on his tires.  I'm not sure.
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2005, 04:47:27 pm »
that was not VORP. that was Alkie.
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2005, 04:50:28 pm »
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 The 27-year-old hit .233 with three homers and 24 RBIs over 45 games for Triple-A Salt Lake in 2004.


yeearrrgggh!





'course you can't really judge a guy by his numbers.




So Taverez can hit ML pitching?
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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2005, 04:52:49 pm »
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EasTex: take that VORP shit right on out of here





I don't mind VORP.  In fact, one night I was getting hammered at this bar.  I mean HAMMERED.  Think Alkie after any of the most recent Red River Shootouts.

I could barely stand, much less drive home.  Well, who should I run into but VORP.  Kind of a weird looking guy--thick glasses taped across the bridge, pocket protector, slide rule.  But a helluva nice guy.  Gave me a ride home, and told me I could get 2.13457% more fun out of life if I quit drinking so much.

I think I may have peed on his tires.  I'm not sure.





Oh yeah! VORP! (may he rest in peace)

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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2005, 04:53:44 pm »

So Taverez can hit ML pitching?




Dunno.  that's one of the questions, right?
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2005, 08:09:32 pm »
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i want Byrnes. i do not know which Astros are being discussed.




Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Byrnes?   Assuming Cameron's wrist won't cause him to miss too much time, and the price tags as far as players being traded are similar that is.  

Eric Byrnes mashes LHP, but does not hit RHP well at all.   Mike Cameron for all of his BA problems, hits just as well as Byrnes does vs RHP and not quite as good vs LHP.  He also steals bases just as good as Byrnes.   Not to mention he is one of if not the best all around defensive CF in baseball.  I don't think Byrnes is quite that good defensively(good but not that good).

As far as salary is concerned, Cameron has about 2 years 15 mil left on his deal if I'm not mistaken, and Byrnes just recently signed a 2.2 million dollar deal.  The edge here goes to Byrnes, only because it's only a one year contract and he's cheaper, thus giving more flexibility with Taveras in the future.   However, I would anticipate any Cameron deal involving the Mets either eating some salary or taking some back in return.  

I guess it boils down to how you feel about Cameron's wrist affecting his play this season.   If you are confident in that regard, and the players involved are similar to those in any Byrnes deal I think Cameron is a better option.  But with wrist injuries you never know, therefore, I could see why someone might lean Byrnes direction.

Personally, I like Cameron more because of the defense he brings to the table, and as long as I was ok with his wrist, I'd go after him first.
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2005, 11:26:19 pm »
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Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Byrnes?




Byrnes is three years younger and just played his first full season last year.  He arguably has a bigger upside than Cameron.

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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2005, 11:33:33 pm »
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I was hoping on some follow up with the positives for Duckworth, though.





OK, here's a list of Duckworth's positive:

Short list, ain't it?

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At some point after the Wagner trade last year, I seem to recall reading some similarities between Duckworth and Dotel:





The only similarity between Duckworth and Dotel is the "D" in their name.  Duckworth couldn't carry Dotel's grandmother's jock.  

Duckworth is crap.  Utter crap.  Plain and simple.  I'd take Tim Redding everyday and twice on Sundays before I'd take that worthless pile Duckworth.
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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2005, 11:36:02 pm »
I'm assuming a deal is close since Jim is talking good about him already.

For the record I think Byrnes is our type of player. He plays hard and seems to be clutch. A good addition in my opinion.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2005, 12:23:13 am »
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Quote:

Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Byrnes?




Byrnes is three years younger and just played his first full season last year.  He arguably has a bigger upside than Cameron.




I don't see the upside with Byrnes.  He is what he is(a hardnosed solid OF who is your average RHB), and at 29 he's not suddenly going to change into a star.  He will hit LHP well, but be average at best vs RHP.  The reason I chose Cameron is the GG quality defense in CF, something Byrnes doesn't have going for him.   If the Mets won't eat part of the 14-15 million that remains on Cameron's deal, sure move on and go get Byrnes(who makes 2.2 mil in his first arbitration year).  However, if the money became reasonable with Cameron's contract, and the talent was similar in either trade, I'd want Cameron because of his defensive skills.  That's all.  

It's not that I think Byrnes is a bad player or bad option, he's not.  But I don't think he is a better player than Cameron, especially factoring defense at CF.
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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2005, 12:33:15 am »
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I don't see the upside with Byrnes.  He is what he is(a hardnosed solid OF who is your average RHB), and at 29 he's not suddenly going to change into a star.  He will hit LHP well, but be average at best vs RHP.  The reason I chose Cameron is the GG quality defense in CF, something Byrnes doesn't have going for him.   If the Mets won't eat part of the 14-15 million that remains on Cameron's deal, sure move on and go get Byrnes(who makes 2.2 mil in his first arbitration year).  However, if the money became reasonable with Cameron's contract, and the talent was similar in either trade, I'd want Cameron because of his defensive skills.  That's all.  

It's not that I think Byrnes is a bad player or bad option, he's not.  But I don't think he is a better player than Cameron, especially factoring defense at CF.





I think you just answered your own question. If you are looking solely at who is the better overall player, it's probably Cameron, but marginally (assuming he is fully healed, which I've heard is a large assumption). But you also have to consider how much he costs and who you have to give up for him. I don't think the difference in their production will be so great that it will justify the cost in personel and dollars. Plus, you know that Byrnes is healthy and will likely play on Opening Day.
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QUESTION
If the ASTROS dont like MUNRO,DUCKWORTH AND REDDING THEY SHOULD PUT THEM ALL ON WAVERS GET RID OF ALL OF THEM

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QUESTION
If the ASTROS dont like MUNRO,DUCKWORTH AND REDDING THEY SHOULD PUT THEM ALL ON WAVERS GET RID OF ALL OF THEM





Where was the question?
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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2005, 10:35:56 am »
Byrnes has more "potential"

With his athletic ability and enthusiasm for the game he has a chance to mature. He will never have Cameron's CF skill, but he'd only have to play CF for one year.

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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2005, 10:52:26 am »
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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2005, 10:52:30 am »
methinks PREDATOR'S prescription expired.
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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2005, 11:05:08 am »
Brynes is a badass! He is cheap considering Cameron, gives Tavares another year to develop, plays with energy and pitchers in the national haven't seen him as much, no wrist injuries to speak of and is not and never has been a met!

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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2005, 11:44:22 am »
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Which is the pill that makes him smart?  But here's some news,

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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2005, 11:52:44 am »
So did Glen Barker.

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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2005, 12:02:12 pm »
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So did Glen Barker.




Can't we just conveniently forget he was ever on the team?
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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2005, 12:04:23 pm »
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Which is the pill that makes him smart?  





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« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2005, 12:17:59 pm »
i liked Glen Barker.
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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2005, 12:25:44 pm »
 i liked Glen Barker.

I did to...as a situational player.  He served his purpose.

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« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2005, 12:29:22 pm »
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Listen, Nancy, you didn't ask a question, you stated an opinion.

That's fine, that's what this board is for, but it also exists for good-natured ribbing.

I would recommend that if you're going to get your panties that tightly bunched over a simple grammatical pointer, then you're better off staying in the kiddie pool.
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« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2005, 12:44:16 pm »
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i liked Glen Barker.

I did to...as a situational player.  He served his purpose.





I never liked him. He seemed...clueless? at times. Terrible baserunner, IIRC. Looking back on his hitting, he was better his first year with the Astros than I thought, but that was it.
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« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2005, 12:58:16 pm »
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I did to...as a situational player.  He served his purpose.





I never liked him. He seemed...clueless? at times. Terrible baserunner, IIRC. Looking back on his hitting, he was better his first year with the Astros than I thought, but that was it.




Do you "like" Lance Berkman?  Barker hustled and was fun to watch.  He did make a few bad base running decisions.  One of which I am particularly aware.

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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2005, 01:13:49 pm »
When did Barker hit like Berkman?

If I must, I'll concede Barker as faster and a better fielder.

Jebus!

I didn't say I had to seek therapy when Barker played, he just didn't stick out as a shining example of play in my mind.
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When did Barker hit like Berkman?

If I must, I'll concede Barker as faster and a better fielder.

Jebus!

I didn't say I had to seek therapy when Barker played, he just didn't stick out as a shining example of play in my mind.





That's what I thought.  It wasn't being "clueless" that you objected to, it was that he couldn't hit.  If he was a better hitter you would have "liked" him?

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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2005, 01:42:58 pm »
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When did Barker hit like Berkman?

If I must, I'll concede Barker as faster and a better fielder.

Jebus!

I didn't say I had to seek therapy when Barker played, he just didn't stick out as a shining example of play in my mind.





That's what I thought.  It wasn't being "clueless" that you objected to, it was that he couldn't hit.  If he was a better hitter you would have "liked" him?





No, I stand by the clueless part. Berkman has shown some density before, but he makes up for it quite regularly with the bat. Sure, if Barker hit better, maybe I would have fond memories of him instead of just his standout moments of being one of the fastest players to get picked off or caught stealing in the game. His strength was his speed and athleticism, but he couldn't put it together with when and how to use it.

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2005, 02:12:38 pm »
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2005, 02:16:53 pm »
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When did Barker hit like Berkman?

If I must, I'll concede Barker as faster and a better fielder.

Jebus!

I didn't say I had to seek therapy when Barker played, he just didn't stick out as a shining example of play in my mind.





That's what I thought.  It wasn't being "clueless" that you objected to, it was that he couldn't hit.  If he was a better hitter you would have "liked" him?





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Quote:

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When did Barker hit like Berkman?

If I must, I'll concede Barker as faster and a better fielder.

Jebus!

I didn't say I had to seek therapy when Barker played, he just didn't stick out as a shining example of play in my mind.





That's what I thought.  It wasn't being "clueless" that you objected to, it was that he couldn't hit.  If he was a better hitter you would have "liked" him?




So if a pig had a better personality, it'd cease to be a filthy animal?




I think the issue is whether the pig can hit.  The fact that the pig stands on second with two outs and a fly hit to the outfield dont enter into it.

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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2005, 02:34:08 pm »
I objected to him being brought in to pinch run and then getting picked off to end the inning.
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« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2005, 03:06:50 pm »
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I was hoping on some follow up with the positives for Duckworth, though.






This may be the best example of unbridled optimism ever seen.  Positives for Duckworthless?

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« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2005, 03:09:34 pm »
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I objected to him being brought in to pinch run and then getting picked off to end the inning.




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« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2005, 03:15:23 pm »
It's beginning to sound like I might not be the only one remembering less than stellar performances by the likable guy.
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Quote:

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This may be the best example of unbridled optimism ever seen.  Positives for Duckworthless?

Ha!





Well, I got two:
1) He's not Timmah
2) He's not Glen Barker

Make it 3 if you include Brian L. Hunter.
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« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2005, 03:25:17 pm »
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This is probably some kind of record for TZ crapitudalness, and I'm half responsible.  PECOTA has now been mentioned 2x in one day.  At least I didn't say PECOTA Projected VORP.




I don't think I've every used either of those terms in a post.

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« Reply #82 on: February 10, 2005, 06:00:10 pm »
How about Ryan Freel? I heard that with Griffey healthy (but for how long) and Willy Mo Pena's emergence, along with the Randa signing, he may be available.

Freel's a speedy multi-position hard nosed Biggio type that would fit in great here. I'd deal a few of the unlucky 3 starter candidates and maybe Harville for him.

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« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2005, 08:18:44 pm »
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Quote:

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This may be the best example of unbridled optimism ever seen.  Positives for Duckworthless?

Ha!





I think the only positive you could write about Duckworth, and this is a stretch depending on your taste in movies, is that he resembles Gary Busey.  

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« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2006, 11:50:12 pm »
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Quote:

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This may be the best example of unbridled optimism ever seen.  Positives for Duckworthless?

Ha!




I think the only positive you could write about Duckworth, and this is a stretch depending on your taste in movies, is that he resembles Gary Busey.  

his best line from Point Break, when asking Keanu for some beers...."Utah, get me two."




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