Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!

[Snuffy]

What a difference a year makes! 

Dombrowski’s firing came minutes after the team finished up a 10-5 loss to the rival New York Yankees. With the loss, Boston now sits 17.5 games back from the Yankees in the AL East at 76-67.  That’s a far cry from the team’s 108-win pace last year, but still decent enough that Dombrowski’s firing is a stunner.

[JimR]

Cabrera told us.

[Snuffy]

Cabrera told us.

Who's Cabrera?  Link?
Did "Money Ball" win or just overspending w/o wins lose? 

[JimR]

Who's Cabrera?  Link?
Did "Money Ball" win or just overspending w/o wins lose?

Who Cabrera is becomes your homework assignment.

[Snuffy]

Who Cabrera is becomes your homework assignment.

Hum, thot that was a trick.  He's not visible on OWA...
Besides, my bride assigns my homework...

[Ty in Tampa]

Hum, thot that was a trick.  He's not visible on OWA...
Besides, my bride assigns my homework...

Seriously, man. If you can't bother to keep up with the long-standing norms and idioms of this site, you're the poster boy of the "read more, post less" overly-eager Clark who will never not get flamed. If you're wondering why a lot of people here come down on you, this is it.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Just put Cabrera in the OWA search box and you'll pick up on what itmeans and how it's been used.

I've been Cabrera'd many times.

[Fredia]

oh for the days of   the funk and wagner

[JimR]

oh for the days of   the funk and wagner

It is on here somewhere.

[Bench]

It is on here somewhere.

Someone needs to re-excavate the secrets of ancient knowledge. I thought visiting the mythical front page would lead me there, but it proved as elusive as Veritas in the bottom of a holy well.

[toddthebod]

Scott Baio was a big fan of Cabrera.

[austro]

Scott Baio was a big fan of Cabrera.

Until Spack struck him down.

[Waldo]

Until Spack struck him down ate his fucking spleen.

FIFY

[austro]

FIFY

WFW

[D.WARD]

Hum, thot that was a trick.  He's not visible on OWA...
Besides, my bride assigns my homework...

U FOO!

[Bench]

Hum, thot that was a trick.  He's not visible on OWA...
Besides, my bride assigns my homework...

It's hard to find Cabrera because he was already there.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Hum, thot that was a trick.  He's not visible on OWA...
Besides, my bride assigns my homework...

Land 'o Goshen, why so bodacious?

[Duman]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

By the way:  Carbera is a Brave.  Or so I have been told.

[Lefty]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

By the way:  Carbera is a Brave.  Or so I have been told.

Last spotted as a 42 y.o. Gigante in the DWL

[JimR]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

By the way:  Carbera is a Brave.  Or so I have been told.

He should have had to find this on his own. He gets a zero on his homework.

[Snuffy]

Seriously, man. If you can't bother to keep up with the long-standing norms and idioms of this site, you're the poster boy of the "read more, post less" overly-eager Clark ......

Nice rant, Ty!  Well done!! 

Link?  I have seen the term used a few times w/o definition.  Can you find a link that defines it? 

I couldn't.  No amount of reading - or searching - will produce unwritten definitions of "long-standing" (but unwritten) "norms and idioms of this site".  It's a little like a secret code.  Thanks to Bench - and JimR also - for looking for it in vain and to Astros Fan in Big D for pointing me in the direction of some of his examples.  If he survived being Cabrera'd, maybe I can. 

For any "Guests" that may not know - if there are any - the "Snuffy" definition of "Cabrera" or "Cabrera'd" is "already posted somewhere".  I figured the RS firing was headline newsworthy, since it's an indication of the Astros progress toward "Taking it Back!", but it was posted here by the brave Astros Fan in Big D.

For future reference, has anyone, chronicled a list of the long-standing norms and idioms of this site?

[MRaup]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

By the way:  Carbera is a Brave.  Or so I have been told.

See link above.

[Snuffy]

See link above.

TY, Mark.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

by the brave Astros Fan in Big D.

Cabrera was the brave.

[Ty in Tampa]

"read more, post less"

These 4 words would have solved all of your problems.

[Ty in Tampa]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

Man, that brings back some memories. Some are good.

[Bench]

See link above.

I don't know how you resisted re-posting the link as though it hadn't already been posted in this thread.

[MRaup]

I don't know how you resisted re-posting the link as though it hadn't already been posted in this thread.

Annoyance level slightly higher than trolling level.

[Bench]

Man, that brings back some memories. Some are good.

I had completely forgotten about "Chop Tarts." That is so brilliant.

[JimR]

Nice rant, Ty!  Well done!! 

Link?  I have seen the term used a few times w/o definition.  Can you find a link that defines it? 

I couldn't.  No amount of reading - or searching - will produce unwritten definitions of "long-standing" (but unwritten) "norms and idioms of this site".  It's a little like a secret code.  Thanks to Bench - and JimR also - for looking for it in vain and to Astros Fan in Big D for pointing me in the direction of some of his examples.  If he survived being Cabrera'd, maybe I can. 

For any "Guests" that may not know - if there are any - the "Snuffy" definition of "Cabrera" or "Cabrera'd" is "already posted somewhere".  I figured the RS firing was headline newsworthy, since it's an indication of the Astros progress toward "Taking it Back!", but it was posted here by the brave Astros Fan in Big D.

For future reference, has anyone, chronicled a list of the long-standing norms and idioms of this site?

I did not look for it in vain. I did not look for it at all.

[JimR]

Nice rant, Ty!  Well done!! 

Link?  I have seen the term used a few times w/o definition.  Can you find a link that defines it? 

I couldn't.  No amount of reading - or searching - will produce unwritten definitions of "long-standing" (but unwritten) "norms and idioms of this site".  It's a little like a secret code.  Thanks to Bench - and JimR also - for looking for it in vain and to Astros Fan in Big D for pointing me in the direction of some of his examples.  If he survived being Cabrera'd, maybe I can. 

For any "Guests" that may not know - if there are any - the "Snuffy" definition of "Cabrera" or "Cabrera'd" is "already posted somewhere".  I figured the RS firing was headline newsworthy, since it's an indication of the Astros progress toward "Taking it Back!", but it was posted here by the brave Astros Fan in Big D.

For future reference, has anyone, chronicled a list of the long-standing norms and idioms of this site?

Duman posted the link at 12:45. Try looking for things by reading threads before posting your essays.

[JimR]

Cabrera was the brave.

Excellent!

[VirtualBob]

These 4 words would have solved all of your problems.

+1

[Snuffy]

Found the link to F & W unless I have been Cabera'd already.

By the way:  Carbera is a Brave.  Or so I have been told.

TY, Duman.  I missed your post.

[Snuffy]

Duman posted the link at 12:45. Try looking for things by reading threads before posting your essays.

True.  I have thanked him. 
No more essays! 
Your post here helped.  BTW, I think my definition was in the neighborhood, so a zero feels a little harsh. 

[Snuffy]

These 4 words would have solved all of your problems.

...along w/ a much-appreciated link to the glossary. 
Glad for a chance to read it.

[JimR]

...along w/ a much-appreciated link to the glossary. 
Glad for a chance to read it.

You still don’t get what he is telling you. Ty is trying to help. If you do not listen and learn, you will have a hard time. “Read more, post less” is excellent advice for everyone new, not only you.

[HudsonHawk]

In Dombrowski related news...I read this morning where the Sox owners did not show up for the press conference and made Alex Cora have to field questions about why his boss got sacked.  If true, that's a cowardly way to handle it. 

[JimR]

In Dombrowski related news...I read this morning where the Sox owners did not show up for the press conference and made Alex Cora have to field questions about why his boss got sacked.  If true, that's a cowardly way to handle it.

Coming unglued. Way worse than a WS hangover.

[juliogotay]

In Dombrowski related news...I read this morning where the Sox owners did not show up for the press conference and made Alex Cora have to field questions about why his boss got sacked.  If true, that's a cowardly way to handle it.

If true, I'm almost embarrassed for them. They owe the fans more than that.

[HudsonHawk]

Coming unglued. Way worse than a WS hangover.

There has to be more to it than 76-67 following a WS title.  People get fired all the time for malfeasance of some sort or simply not being aligned with company management.  But management needs to address it, not make the staff handle the public relations. 

[Snuffy]

You still don’t get what he is telling you. Ty is trying to help. If you do not listen and learn, you will have a hard time. “Read more, post less” is excellent advice for everyone new, not only you.

Oh, I get it, Coach.  The glossary will help.
Thanks,

[Waldo]

“Read more, post less” is excellent advice for everyone new, not only you.

Hell, it's good advice for long-timers too.

[EasTexAstro]

Hell, it's good advice for long-timers too.

I'll shut up.

[JimR]

Hell, it's good advice for long-timers too.

Indeed. Only way to avoid Cabrera.

[Tom Servo]

Indeed. Only way to avoid Cabrera.

Cabrera, if you didn't know, is The Noid's cousin.

[Ty in Tampa]

I'll shut up.

Read less, post more!

[JimR]

Read less, post more!

Yep!

[Mr. Happy]

Read less, post more!

+1 Maybe the chickenshit owners saw that Dombrowski was slowly doing to Boston what he did to Detroit, where he left the club saddled with big contracts and aging players with nothing in the farm system. Detroit sucks today because of Dombowski's ignoring of player development through the draft.

[EasTexAstro]

Y'all are making me blush.

Mr. Happy seems to be pointing in a very probable situation.

[austro]

Mr. Happy seems to be pointing in a very probable situation.

Yup. I didn't realize the Boston's pipeline is as depleted as it apparently is. Breaks my heart.

[juliogotay]

Yup. I didn't realize the Boston's pipeline is as depleted as it apparently is. Breaks my heart.

They will have to spend their way out of it.

[MRaup]

They will have to spend their way out of it.

No, no. Dig UP, stupid!

[austro]

They will have to spend their way out of it.

I think they already have obscene commitments for next year: Price ($32M), Sale ($30M), Bogaerts ($20M), JD Martinez ($23.75M, if he opts in), Pedroia ($13M, ouch), Rusney Castillo ($14.75M, anybody seen him lately?), Eovaldi ($17M). In fact, it looks like Vasquez is the only other guy under contract ($4M), and they've well short of a team. Lots of pre-arb and arb guys. Betts will cost them a fortune. They've already got $159+ in commitments. If Sale and Eovaldi are truly injured, Pedroia is washed up, and Castillo is still doing his disappearing act,, they are well and truly fucked. Baseball-reference estimates their payroll at $224M, $223M, and $238M for the next three years. Imagine what happens when they have to pay Devers.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

My fervent hope is this reflects a fatal flaw in Boston's organization that will hamstring them in coming years.

[Ty in Tampa]

My fervent hope is this reflects a fatal flaw in Boston's organization that will hamstring them in coming years.

Maybe Cora will instruct them in the Ways of Luhnow.

[MusicMan]

Maybe Cora will instruct them in the Ways of Luhnow.

Or maybe Agent Cora will return once his demolition work is complete


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[austro]

My fervent hope is this reflects a fatal flaw in Boston's organization that will hamstring them in coming years.

You and me both. But it demonstrates the difficulty of Luhnow's upcoming tasks. Cole presents a very difficult case in point: there's no denying his quality and value, but he may well receive offers along the line of $30M for 6 or 7 years. Do you make that commitment, knowing that you've got other guys coming in the pipeline that need to be paid too? Or do you thank him for his service and try to find other, younger replacements? Hard call.

[JimR]

You and me both. But it demonstrates the difficulty of Luhnow's upcoming tasks. Cole presents a very difficult case in point: there's no denying his quality and value, but he may well receive offers along the line of $30M for 6 or 7 years. Do you make that commitment, knowing that you've got other guys coming in the pipeline that need to be paid too? Or do you thank him for his service and try to find other, younger replacements? Hard call.

The Astros will never give a pitcher than many years...I think.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The Astros will never give a pitcher than many years...I think.

Totally agree. Three maybe, four unlikely.

[Bench]

The Astros will never give a pitcher than many years...I think.

I agree as a general principle but think Cole might be the exception given his age and track record. But I would still be pleasantly shocked if they worked out a deal along those lines.

[homer]

I agree as a general principle but think Cole might be the exception given his age and track record. But I would still be pleasantly shocked if they worked out a deal along those lines.

I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.

[MRaup]

I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.

One has to think that 15 dollar beers and real cheese on nachos can pay for that luxury tax hit if the team keeps on rolling.

[JimR]

One has to think that 15 dollar beers and real cheese on nachos can pay for that luxury tax hit if the team keeps on rolling.

This.

[Waldo]

I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.

Maybe the luxury tax is unavoidable if they want to keep enough guys around while this window is open.  Remember that their 2020 payroll is already halfway there with only four players (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman).

[Mr. Happy]

Maybe the luxury tax is unavoidable if they want to keep enough guys around while this window is open.  Remember that their 2020 payroll is already halfway there with only four players (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman).

I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.

[Waldo]

I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.

Also this.  Red Sox, Cubs, and Yankees are well over the threshold, Dodgers are just under it.  Even if you spend money wisely it will be hard to keep pace without going into the luxury tax.

[homer]

I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.

The Astros under Lunhow represent the antithesis of a team that follows any trend. They are trendsetters.

There are draft penalties included in the competitive balance agreement that would probably outweigh any money concerns.

Plus, Lunhow is on record multiple times saying they would not exceed the limit that creates a penalty.

[JimR]

The Astros under Lunhow represent the antithesis of a team that follows any trend. They are trendsetters.

There are draft penalties included in the competitive balance agreement that would probably outweigh any money concerns.

Plus, Lunhow is on record multiple times saying they would not exceed the limit that creates a penalty.

Circumstances change, as the acquisitions of JV and Greinke and the extensions for JV, Altuve, and Bregman prove without a doubt.

[Bench]

Circumstances change, as the acquisitions of JV and Greinke and the extensions for JV, Altuve, and Bregman prove without a doubt.

Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.

[Mr. Happy]

Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.

Th owner seems hellbent on contuining to win, and is putting his pocketbook where his mouth is. I'm with him.

[JimR]

Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.

Yep, and Luhnow wants to win as much as possible while the window is open. Cole keeps it open, but 6-7 years are too many.

[juliogotay]

Th owner seems hellbent on contuining to win, and is putting his pocketbook where his mouth is. I'm with him.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

[Waldo]

I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

Right, but as Jim said, circumstances can indeed change.  We also know this front office rarely tips their hand.

[JimR]

I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

He wasn’t going to take on Greinke money either until he did. Nothing said earlier matters now.

[juliogotay]

He wasn’t going to take on Greinke money either until he did. Nothing said earlier matters now.

Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

[moriartp]

Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

The point is that nothing they say is binding on their future decisions. I think it’s unlikely they go over the salary cap, but the statements themselves don’t mean much.

[JimR]

Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

Did not realize y’all talked. I have not read anything like that, but it does not matter. Nothing said before the next decision matters.

[doyce7]

When it comes to the Luxury Tax, the new CBA coming down the pike might change things. Who knows what the tax might be or what the penalties for going over are, or if the players manage to get rid of it. I feel like baseball will be pretty different after the next CBA goes into effect, for better or worse.

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[VirtualBob]

Did not realize y’all talked. I have not read anything like that, but it does not matter. Nothing said before the next decision matters.

Dam.  The needle on my sarc-o-meter just broke again.

[Lefty]

One has to think that 15 dollar beers and real cheese on nachos can pay for that luxury tax hit if the team keeps on rolling.

I love that yall are assuming they're going to use anything but Sysco/Aramark cheese.

[Snuffy]

You still don’t get what he is telling you. Ty is trying to help. If you do not listen and learn, you will have a hard time. “Read more, post less” is excellent advice for everyone new, not only you.

Should have posted this earlier:

I did not look carefully enough (aka read) before I posted this thread.  I Cabrera’d.  Took some deserved "Cabrera" heat for it.  Now I know what Cabrera is.  Understand how it helps avoid the clutter of multiple posts/threads on the same topic on this busy forum.  Have seen duplicate game threads deleted in the Game Zone in the past, but did not realize until this thread that was a Cabrera correction.

Thank you for trying to help me and for looking for/providing a link to the glossary! 

I am wondering now is a Cabrera is the biggest sin....  If it's not, what the heck is?  (Wouldn't mind finding out b/f I do it.)

Your help is appreciated,
Snuffy

[VirtualBob]

Should not have posted this earlier ever.

FIFY

I am wondering now is a Cabrera is the biggest sin....  If it's not, what the heck is?  (Wouldn't mind finding out b/f I do it.)

Your help is appreciated,
Snuffy

I think what we are trying to tell you is that your high-volume, low-value posting is the “biggest sin”. 

RMPL.

[Snuffy]

RMPL.

Got it.

[Bench]

Genesis Cabrera is pitching for the Cards.

[Lefty]

Joe Maddon out in Chicago
Clint Hurdle out in Pittsburgh

[MusicMan]

Joe Maddon out in Chicago
Clint Hurdle out in Pittsburgh

And reports say Ausmus May be out in LA/Anaheim/CA/wherever


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[Lefty]

And reports say Ausmus May be out in LA/Anaheim/CA/wherever


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Same with the Mets. 

I'd be surprised if Espada doesn't get one of the jobs this year.

[Dobro]

And reports say Ausmus May be out in LA/Anaheim/CA/wherever

Ausmus should be fired, if for no other reason, for his bullshit following the Marisnick collision.  What a cunty display that was by Ausmus.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Ausmus should be fired, if for no other reason, for his bullshit following the Marisnick collision.  What a cunty display that was by Ausmus.

He's gone.

Just announced.