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« on: July 19, 2019, 07:54:09 am »
The 4th starter’s turn is tomorrow, and the starter is listed at TBD. Is Sneed past the ten days wait so could come up to take the start? Four alleged trade targets pitched yesterday so could not pitch Sat even if acquired. Another alleged target is pitching against JV tonight. James as opener again? Devo first, then James?

Has there been any word on Peacock? What a balancing act for management this injury wave is.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2019, 08:06:03 am »
I think it has to be a bullpen day. The only option from triple A would be Urquidy but to do that you would have to send down either Armenteros(starting sunday), James or Straw and I can't see them doing that.

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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2019, 09:04:43 am »
Quote from: JimR on July 19, 2019, 07:54:09 am
The 4th starter’s turn is tomorrow, and the starter is listed at TBD. Is Sneed past the ten days wait so could come up to take the start? Four alleged trade targets pitched yesterday so could not pitch Sat even if acquired. Another alleged target is pitching against JV tonight. James as opener again? Devo first, then James?

Has there been any word on Peacock? What a balancing act for management this injury wave is.

As long as they don't trot Rondon out there again...

I say let James goes as long as he comfortably can then piece it together from there.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 09:09:07 am »
Quote from: MRaup on July 19, 2019, 09:04:43 am
As long as they don't trot Rondon out there again...

I say let James goes as long as he comfortably can then piece it together from there.

My view also. If they can get 2-3 innings from James, great.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 09:09:32 am »
Quote from: MRaup on July 19, 2019, 09:04:43 am
As long as they don't trot Rondon out there again...

I say let James goes as long as he comfortably can then piece it together from there.

That's my thought as well.  Try to get two, maybe three, from James, and go from there.  And hope the offense shows up. 
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 09:15:40 am »
Quote from: JimR on July 19, 2019, 07:54:09 am
The 4th starter’s turn is tomorrow, and the starter is listed at TBD. Is Sneed past the ten days wait so could come up to take the start?

Sneed pitched 7 innings of no-run ball in RR on Tuesday so I'm guessing he's not available until Sunday even if 10 days has passed. 

Looking at the RR schedule, it even lists TBD as today's starter.  What a pickle the Astros system is in.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2019, 09:17:41 am »
Whatever piecemeal solution they decide on, it's probably going to be necessary.  Homer Bailey might have been traded, but the tier of pitchers we have to assume the Astros are looking at (Syndergaard, Bumgarner, etc.) are usually dealt right at the deadline.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2019, 09:24:38 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 19, 2019, 09:09:32 am
That's my thought as well.  Try to get two, maybe three, from James, and go from there.  And hope the offense shows up.
Seems like the right thing to do, and if you’re not going to trade for two starters, then gradually start extending him to eventually be a starter.  While he is useful in a setup role, having Smith and McHugh back has shored up that role and freed James up to be a starter, IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 09:38:37 am »
Quote from: jbm on July 19, 2019, 09:24:38 am
Seems like the right thing to do, and if you’re not going to trade for two starters, then gradually start extending him to eventually be a starter.  While he is useful in a setup role, having Smith and McHugh back has shored up that role and freed James up to be a starter, IMO.

Assuming Peacock's arm isn't about to fall off, and he'll be back sooner than later, he is a perfectly serviceable 5th starter.

I am hopeful we trade for a plus arm, but even if the Astros just go after 4th starter that can gobble some innings and only give up 3-4, anything is better than Dusty Baker'ing the bullpen like the Astros have to right now.

I'm legit concerned that, if the Astros make the playoffs, the bullpen will be a complete shambles by the end of the season with the pace everyone is getting innings.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 09:57:34 am »
I assume Peacock is done.


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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 09:58:58 am »
Quote from: MusicMan on July 19, 2019, 09:57:34 am
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Why? Pessimism or information?
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2019, 11:06:20 am »
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Why? Pessimism or information?

Pessimism based on him knowing the situation and still saying he’s not right. It’s got to be bad.


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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 11:16:19 am »
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Pessimism based on him knowing the situation and still saying he’s not right. It’s got to be bad.


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One cannot pitch effectively with a sore shoulder. He had to speak up. I think you may be right ultimately.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2019, 07:11:06 am »
Quote from: JimR on July 19, 2019, 11:16:19 am
One cannot pitch effectively with a sore shoulder. He had to speak up. I think you may be right ultimately.

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2019, 07:57:35 am »
Peacock says he's feeling good and plans to start throwing soon. https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1152324928764465152

It doesn't sound that convincing though.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2019, 05:51:29 pm »
Quote from: juliogotay on July 20, 2019, 07:57:35 am
Peacock says he's feeling good and plans to start throwing soon. https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1152324928764465152

It doesn't sound that convincing though.
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2019, 08:44:51 pm »
Jose' Urquidy made a strong case for that fourth slot in the rotation with today's eight innings of two-hit, one-run baseball. We shall see if he can bring that kind of performance consistently, but this is encouraging.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2019, 09:52:58 pm »
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2019, 08:01:29 am »
Quote from: Texifornia on July 20, 2019, 08:44:51 pm
Jose' Urquidy made a strong case for that fourth slot in the rotation with today's eight innings of two-hit, one-run baseball. We shall see if he can bring that kind of performance consistently, but this is encouraging.

Impossible standard. No one can be that dominating every time out, but he made his case to not be cast aside as merely Luhnow’s Mexico experiment. Urquidy has been solid in RR and showed everyone who watched he can pitch in MLB.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2019, 09:15:29 am »
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Impossible standard. No one can be that dominating every time out...

No shit.  Pitch like that consistently and you're a 15-time Cy Young Award winner and unanimous HOFer.  I hope no one is expecting that on a regular basis.  From anyone.  But he pitched his ass off last night, when his club really, really needed a pick me up. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2019, 11:38:39 am »
His very good performance was helped by some good fortune. Choo and Gallo just missed home runs in their first at bats. Another foot of distance on both and the game may have turned out differently. He took advantage of his good fortune and turned in a hell of a start. 
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Re: 4th starter
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2019, 11:59:56 am »
Quote from: geezerdonk on July 21, 2019, 11:38:39 am
His very good performance was helped by some good fortune. Choo and Gallo just missed home runs in their first at bats. Another foot of distance on both and the game may have turned out differently. He took advantage of his good fortune and turned in a hell of a start.

That did not just happen and Gallo’s at least was not luck. He did not recognize changeup, swung too early, and hit it on the end of the bat. Good pitching, not good fortune.
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2019, 12:13:27 pm »
I wonder if Urquidy has gotten to sleep yet. He was about to levitate in the post game interview.
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2019, 12:19:20 pm »
Quote from: geezerdonk on July 21, 2019, 11:38:39 am
His very good performance was helped by some good fortune. Choo and Gallo just missed home runs in their first at bats. Another foot of distance on both and the game may have turned out differently. He took advantage of his good fortune and turned in a hell of a start.

99% of balls put in play for outs were "just missed".  Pitching is a game of millimeters and fractions of a second. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2019, 12:55:18 pm »
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99% of balls put in play for outs were "just missed".  Pitching is a game of millimeters and fractions of a second.
Yep. Sometimes you throw your pitch in your spot get an ugly swing and lose. Sometimes you throw a meatball and it gets popped up. Pitching can be a wild ride of emotions

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2019, 01:02:10 pm »
Thanks to American Airlines, my wife and I got to rent a car and drive home from DFW last night. She kept reading me the play-by-play from the MLB app on her phone, and when we started out Urquidy was already in the 3rd inning, and I was thanking the BBGs. And then he kept going, and as he kept knocking off successive innings, I couldn't believe our good fortune. Just a tremendous outing for him and a much-needed shot in the arm for the team.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2019, 07:55:37 pm »
Quote from: austro on July 21, 2019, 01:02:10 pm
Thanks to American Airlines, my wife and I got to rent a car and drive home from DFW last night. She kept reading me the play-by-play from the MLB app on her phone, and when we started out Urquidy was already in the 3rd inning, and I was thanking the BBGs. And then he kept going, and as he kept knocking off successive innings, I couldn't believe our good fortune. Just a tremendous outing for him and a much-needed shot in the arm for the team.
A lot to ask, but could your wife read you the play-by-play, starting in the 3rd inning his next start? I think getting a rental and driving it around is asking too much from y'all, but that's always an option if you really want to!
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2019, 11:08:19 pm »
Quote from: austro on July 21, 2019, 01:02:10 pm
Thanks to American Airlines, my wife and I got to rent a car and drive home from DFW last night. She kept reading me the play-by-play from the MLB app on her phone, and when we started out Urquidy was already in the 3rd inning, and I was thanking the BBGs. And then he kept going, and as he kept knocking off successive innings, I couldn't believe our good fortune. Just a tremendous outing for him and a much-needed shot in the arm for the team.

The rental car didn't have a radio in it?
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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2019, 07:00:58 am »
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The rental car didn't have a radio in it?

Maybe he couldn't bear to listen to the Rangers announcers.
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2019, 07:10:51 am »
Quote from: homer on July 21, 2019, 11:08:19 pm
The rental car didn't have a radio in it?

Radio doesn't have the coverage that wifi does, apparently. 
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