Author Topic: 2019 Trade Deadline Talk (Read 82802 times)

BUWebguy · « **Reply #500 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:02:28 pm »

Astros reportedly have sent Stassi to the Angels:
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1156654815872716800

jaklewein · « **Reply #501 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:09:12 pm »

Vasquez, Wheeler & MadBum reportedly staying put. Aaron Sanchez has also been traded. Team not yet reported.

astrojo · « **Reply #502 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:11:31 pm »

Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?

Waldo · « **Reply #503 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:12:14 pm »

Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.

astrojo · « **Reply #504 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:12:22 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:11:31 pm

Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?

Derek Fisher to Blue Jays

jaklewein · « **Reply #505 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:12:52 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:11:31 pm

Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?

You heard it was the Astros getting Sanchez? If yes, that's interesting. Dude had big time promise once upon a time.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #506 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:13:24 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:11:31 pm

Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?

SportsNet writer says Fisher:
https://twitter.com/ShiDavidi/status/1156658609532612614

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #507 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:13:43 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:11:31 pm

Aaron Sanchez and Biagini to Astros.
Who’s going to Blue Jays?

I like this, even not knowing who we're giving up. Sanchez is filthy. Control issues.

chuck · « **Reply #508 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:13:44 pm »

Biagini is a guy who never throws his best pitch. Very logical Astros sort of pickup.

toddthebod · « **Reply #509 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:14:02 pm »

I love how ESPN is saying that the Astros are the big winner because the Yankees, Twins, and Red Sox didn't do anything of note and the Astros have less glaring weaknesses than all of those teams. Whatever. This was a bad job by Luhnow. Unless Biangini somehow turns into Pressley v. 2.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #510 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:14:18 pm »

Greinke?!??!
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156659122210840576

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #511 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:14:54 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 03:12:14 pm

Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.

Thanks Waldo. We appreciate you keeping this asylum running.

astrojo · « **Reply #512 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:15:26 pm »

Greinke to Astros!

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #513 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:15:56 pm »

Rosenthal says Astros for Greinke!!!

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #514 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:16:43 pm »

Quote from: BUWebguy on July 31, 2019, 03:14:18 pm

Greinke?!??!
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1156659122210840576

Confirmed. For 4 prospects.

JimR · « **Reply #515 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:16:52 pm »

A backup catcher and a RHP reliever. Not what I expected today. I do not get the thinking on another frontline pitcher, but obviously Luhnow et al deemed the asking price to high. I share chuck’s distaste for trading Tucker for a rental (except for Madbum), and I hope we find out how far apart we were from landing one.

Urquidy has been good. Can he keep it up? How soon before Peacock is ready? With Martin on the TJ shelf and Whitley trying to regain his mojo, where is starting pitcher help coming from?

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #516 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:17:28 pm »

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
·
3m
BREAKING: #Astros get Greinke.

Craig · « **Reply #517 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:19:34 pm »

OMFG Greinke

Jacksonian · « **Reply #518 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:19:58 pm »

Astros get Aaron Sanchez, Joe Biagnini, and Zach Greinke today. Didn't give up Tucker apparently.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #519 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:20:55 pm »

Damn!!! Luhnow don’t play around!!!!

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Waldo · « **Reply #520 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:21:14 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 03:12:14 pm

Well, there were no huge trades today, but I did learn that our server was no match for the One True Trade Deadline. Rebooted it with more memory a few minutes ago, things should smooth out soon.

Ha, never mind on that. The Grienke trade broke the whole damn site.

Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #521 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:21:24 pm »

HOLY SHIT

toddthebod · « **Reply #522 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:22:33 pm »

I would like to express sincere apologies to Jeff Luhnow who I have been cursing out for the past 20 minutes. Awesome job. And thanks to Jim Crane as well.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #523 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:23:43 pm »

Should have known something was up. They pulled Greinke after 5 innings, 2 runs and only 82 pitches with the lead.

BudGirl · « **Reply #524 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:23:44 pm »

I can't process this right now.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #525 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:24:55 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 03:21:14 pm

Ha, never mind on that. The Grienke trade broke the whole damn site.

Assist to Waldo on the Grienke deal.

das · « **Reply #526 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:27:28 pm »

Greinke? Wow.

astrojo · « **Reply #527 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:28:58 pm »

traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas for greinke and cash

Jacksonian · « **Reply #528 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:33:33 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:28:58 pm

traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas and cash

Absolutely not crippling to the future either.

jbm · « **Reply #529 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:34:56 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 31, 2019, 03:28:58 pm

traded Beer, Josh Rojas Corbin Martin, Bukaskas and cash

This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.

Waldo · « **Reply #530 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:37:06 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 03:34:56 pm

This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.

Great deal for both teams. Astros get one of the top pitchers in the game. DBacks unload Grienke's salary and get some promising prospects.

das · « **Reply #531 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:38:50 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 03:19:58 pm

Astros get Aaron Sanchez, Joe Biagnini, and Zach Greinke today. Didn't give up Tucker apparently.

He said he wanted a reliever, a starting pitcher and a backup catcher. Look what he got.

MusicMan · « **Reply #532 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:41:15 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 03:34:56 pm

This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.

Beer will hit

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #533 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:43:09 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 03:34:56 pm

This seems like a great trade, IMO as Beer and Bukauskas seem marginal to me, Martin is hurt and Rojas might be good, but not a great need for us at the moment.

Beer is looking like a good hitter. But his overall game is VERY similar to Alvarez. It would be tough to have both on the team at the same time.

I'm not sold on Bukauskas. Martin is the big one if he comes back strong. Rojas was blocked here.

hostros7 · « **Reply #534 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:43:12 pm »

Splash

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MusicMan · « **Reply #535 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:43:52 pm »

Rosenthal says Astros get $24M, leaving them responsible for the balance for $53M on his contract

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #536 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:48:31 pm »

The Sanchez pickup is interesting. He's got one more year before he can be a free agent. I wonder if this says something about Peacock's status?

jbm · « **Reply #537 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:48:53 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 03:43:09 pm

Beer is looking like a good hitter. But his overall game is VERY similar to Alvarez. It would be tough to have both on the team at the same time.

I'm not sold on Bukauskas. Martin is the big one if he comes back strong. Rojas was blocked here.

Admittedly, I only saw two games, but Beer and Alvarez are not in the same universe with the bat. Beer’s ceiling is about like that third baseman we dealt to the Pirates.

Bench · « **Reply #538 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:48:59 pm »

Is this an accurate summary of the day's activity?

Grienke + $24mm for Martin, Bukauskas, Beer and Rojas
Sanchez and Biagnini for Fisher
Maldanado for Kemp

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #539 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:49:46 pm »

https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/1156662495202992128?s=19

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player-scroll?player_id=425844

JimR · « **Reply #540 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:49:57 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 31, 2019, 03:41:15 pm

Beer will hit

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Blocked by Alvarez whether he hits or not.

BudGirl · « **Reply #541 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:50:42 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 31, 2019, 03:48:59 pm

Is this an accurate summary of the day's activity?

Grienke + $24mm for Martin, Bukauskas, Beer and Rojas
Sanchez and Biagnini for Fisher
Maldanado for Kemp

Didn't Stassi go to the Angels? I don't remember for who anymore.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #542 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:51:26 pm »

Feeling pretty good about the Astros.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #543 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:51:52 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 31, 2019, 03:50:42 pm

Didn't Stassi go to the Angels? I don't remember for who anymore.

Haven't seen the return. Could be a PTBNL

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #544 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:52:10 pm »

In Luhnow I trust.

MusicMan · « **Reply #545 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:52:23 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 03:49:57 pm

Blocked by Alvarez whether he hits or not.

Agreed. Great deal.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #546 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:53:14 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 03:48:53 pm

Admittedly, I only saw two games, but Beer and Alvarez are not in the same universe with the bat. Beer’s ceiling is about like that third baseman we dealt to the Pirates.

His power is well above Moran. In many other ways they are similar.

Fredia · « **Reply #547 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:55:07 pm »

wow yipeeee…. by the way had trouble getting back on the zone...said it was to busy something I loved seeing...

jbm · « **Reply #548 on:** July 31, 2019, 03:58:52 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 03:53:14 pm

His power is well above Moran. In many other ways they are similar.

You’re correct. I was just unimpressed by the guy, but I’m often wrong.

Craig · « **Reply #549 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:00:54 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 03:23:43 pm

Should have known something was up. They pulled Greinke after 5 innings, 2 runs and only 82 pitches with the lead.

"Sorry I only had time to strike out seven Yankees, but I need to leave to join the Astros."

Waldo · « **Reply #550 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:02:03 pm »

Where have we heard this before?

Quote

Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Asked a baseball official how close to 4 pm the Greinke deal went down. His reply:

A "couple of seconds!"

subnuclear · « **Reply #551 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:02:19 pm »

I'm going to enjoy a beverage this evening. Maybe even, two.

JimR · « **Reply #552 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:02:59 pm »

What a day. I was so deflated, then the Greinke bulletin came.

What is the 25 man roster going to look like? Two more years of Greinke pairing with JV. It is a shame Cole has the urge to leave.

TeeJoe · « **Reply #553 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:03:02 pm »

2017 We're all surprised by the Verlander deal
2018 Cole and almost Harper

And like those past 2 years the Greinke trade comes out of no where. This Astros front office is incredible at keeping TRUE rumors contained.

MRaup · « **Reply #554 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:04:09 pm »

I just absolutely love this place.

Everyone is freaking out, news flying everywhere but not anything that makes a ton of sense. Then suddenly, BOOM!

And the site goes down because people are going bananas.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #555 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:04:55 pm »

Well. Time to sit back, put your feet up, grab a drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em, and survey the damage.

I feel sorry for Urquidy.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #556 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:06:24 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 04:02:59 pm

What a day. I was so deflated, then the Greinke bulletin came.

What is the 25 man roster going to look like? Two more years of Greinke pairing with JV. It is a shame Cole has the urge to leave.

Cole has the urge to see the biggest possible dollar signs he can.

JimR · « **Reply #557 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:06:54 pm »

Quote from: MRaup on July 31, 2019, 04:04:09 pm

I just absolutely love this place.

Everyone is freaking out, news flying everywhere but not anything that makes a ton of sense. Then suddenly, BOOM!

And the site goes down because people are going bananas.

You are so right, m’boy.

NeilT · « **Reply #558 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:08:06 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 04:04:55 pm

Well. Time to sit back, put your feet up, grab a drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em, and survey the damage.

I feel sorry for Urquidy.

He does have good at bats.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #559 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:08:36 pm »

O M G

Deep breaths.

Glad the site is back up and running!

Gonna just leave this here

Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick

Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley

MOTHER OF GOD

chuck · « **Reply #560 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:09:01 pm »

The Astros also got this guy from the Jays:

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=670276#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL

Not too sure what the Jays are doing, to be honest, with these two moves they made with the Astros and the Mets.

NeilT · « **Reply #561 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:10:40 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 31, 2019, 04:08:36 pm

O M G

Deep breaths.

Glad the site is back up and running!

Gonna just leave this here

Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick

Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley

MOTHER OF GOD

It's such an incredible lineup that the Mother of God is fifth in the rotation.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #562 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:11:07 pm »

Zack Greinke is the No. 3 starter. Let that sink in...

jaklewein · « **Reply #563 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:11:20 pm »

Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #564 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:11:59 pm »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on July 31, 2019, 04:11:07 pm

Zack Greinke is the No. 3 starter. Let that sink in...

Just incredible.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #565 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:13:16 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 31, 2019, 04:11:20 pm

Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.

We did a pretty good job of it after 2017 and I'm sure we'll do it again.

JimR · « **Reply #566 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:13:29 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 31, 2019, 04:11:20 pm

Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.

Absolutely. He stepped up.

das · « **Reply #567 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:19:55 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 04:06:24 pm

Cole has the urge to see the biggest possible dollar signs he can.

And you know this how? Are you a friend of his? Or just internet speculation?

BudGirl · « **Reply #568 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:21:41 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 31, 2019, 04:08:36 pm

O M G

Deep breaths.

Glad the site is back up and running!

Gonna just leave this here

Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick

Verlander 2.73 5th
Cole 2.94 11th
Grienke 2.90 9th
Miley 3.06 14th

MLB ERA Rank

MOTHER OF GOD

We are blessed.

hostros7 · « **Reply #569 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:23:41 pm »

Grienke is probably slightly bummed that he won’t be able to hit very often, so I hope it motivates him to do his damndest to get us back to the series.

What a day. Let’s play some baseball

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #570 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:24:34 pm »

Quote from: das on July 31, 2019, 04:19:55 pm

And you know this how? Are you a friend of his? Or just internet speculation?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/gerrit-cole

“I’m looking forward to it,” said Cole. “I know what my right is as a player. Once I get six years of service time, my right is to be able to say yes or no to a place I want to play. So I’m excited to be able to exercise that right.”

jaklewein · « **Reply #571 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:25:02 pm »

And apparently we get to 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.

astrojo · « **Reply #572 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:29:47 pm »

Jayson Stark tweet:

Your 2019 leaders in WHIP:
1-Justin Verlander 0.81
2-Zack Greinke 0.94
5-Gerrit Cole 1.00

That's your Game 1-2-3 starters in Houston. Scary.

JimR · « **Reply #573 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:38:29 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 31, 2019, 04:25:02 pm

And apparently we get to 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.

Getting two anyones for Stassi is a bonus.

Craig · « **Reply #574 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:41:32 pm »

Plus we got Sanchez and Biagini for Brent Strom to work on and see if his wizardry takes.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #575 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:42:18 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 31, 2019, 04:11:20 pm

Let’s make sure we talk up crane as well! Only seen one short tip of the cap to him during all of this.

This. This right here. Crain wants to win as much as Luhnow and puts his money where his mouth is.

astrojo · « **Reply #576 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:44:53 pm »

What a day to be an Astros fan!

Thank you Luhnow and Crane!

doyce7 · « **Reply #577 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:46:59 pm »

Jeff Luhnow is a badass and God bless Jim Crane. I never thought Greinke was even an option because of the money and what it would take to pry him away from the D-backs but goddamnit if they don't balls the size of grapefruits

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subnuclear · « **Reply #578 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:49:57 pm »

Chandler Rome reports that Whitley and Tucker were considered untouchable at the trade deadline.

Bench · « **Reply #579 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:50:28 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 31, 2019, 04:08:36 pm

O M G

Deep breaths.

Glad the site is back up and running!

Gonna just leave this here

Springer
Altuve
Bregman
Brantley
Correa
Yordan
Gurriel
Catcher
Reddick

Verlander
Cole
Grienke
Miley

MOTHER OF GOD

I can't stop staring at this. Amazing.

JimR · « **Reply #580 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:51:19 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on July 31, 2019, 04:49:57 pm

Chandler Rome reports that Whitley and Tucker were considered untouchable at the trade deadline.

Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #581 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:54:50 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 04:51:19 pm

Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.

Ha!

subnuclear · « **Reply #582 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:55:41 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 04:51:19 pm

Tell Chandler the TZ knew that.

He's having a busy day, so I'll leave him alone.

He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.

JimR · « **Reply #583 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:56:12 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 04:24:34 pm

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/gerrit-cole

“I’m looking forward to it,” said Cole. “I know what my right is as a player. Once I get six years of service time, my right is to be able to say yes or no to a place I want to play. So I’m excited to be able to exercise that right.”

Maybe he is driven by dollars or by ego. I don’t know. I do know he said for publication “I never could have done this in Pittsburgh.” I hope JV talks to him about why he stayed. Maybe Cole will give some thought to what the Astros did for him.

Maybe only money matters to Cole. If so, he no doubt will leave. Now we have Greike’s deferred money and position players to extend. I will hate to lose Cole.

chuck · « **Reply #584 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:56:59 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on July 31, 2019, 04:55:41 pm

He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.

So Strom will get Thursday and Friday to work with him? That ought to be enough.

JimR · « **Reply #585 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:58:00 pm »

Peacock to the pen when he returns?

jbm · « **Reply #586 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:01:23 pm »

What’s the deal on adding them to the 25 man, time wise? Can they sit in limbo for a period, and if so, how long? Is it just til tomorrow?

I assume since Urquidy is going tonight, they’re in limbo right now.

toddthebod · « **Reply #587 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:03:31 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on July 05, 2019, 12:01:37 pm

The Astros need starting pitching and a reliever. I don't believe they will trade Tucker for a starter. The available starters just aren't good enough.

I'm thinking that the Astros end up trading for Greinke with the Diamondbacks picking up half of his remaining contract. The Astros are not on Greinke's 15-team no-trade list. Not sure who the Astros will trade in return but it won't be any of their top 5 prospects. Greinke is under control through 2021.

* * *

The rotation for next season will be Verlander, Greinke, McCullers and name your two other starters, but that's a really good top-3.

I'm thinking that I did a pretty good job of predicting this, although we did give up a couple of top-5 prospects and AZ only picked up 1/3 of the remaining contact.

Either way, I am so pumped up right now. I can't wait until tonight's game starts, just so I can focus on baseball.

Thanks Luhnow. I don't know why I ever lose faith in you. And thanks Jim Crane. You are the best owner this city has ever had.

toddthebod · « **Reply #588 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:06:56 pm »

By the way, I saw a Tweet that says that Sanchez has three options left. Maybe the Astros send him down to work on being a reliever instead of trying this out in the big leagues. Also, Bryan Abreu goes down after tonight with Biagini coming on board, right? If that is the case, I really hope that Abreu gets into the game tonight (hopefully with the Astros having a big lead).

JimR · « **Reply #589 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:07:04 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on July 31, 2019, 05:03:31 pm

I'm thinking that I did a pretty good job of predicting this, although we did give up a couple of top-5 prospects and AZ only picked up 1/3 of the remaining contact.

Either way, I am so pumped up right now. I can't wait until tonight's game starts, just so I can focus on baseball.

Thanks Luhnow. I don't know why I ever lose faith in you. And thanks Jim Crane. You are the best owner this city has ever had.

Nice job

Waldo · « **Reply #590 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:07:58 pm »

A couple days ago on Twitter, I saw someone retweeting their tweet from 2011 when Hunter Pence was traded to the Phillies.

Feels good to not be sellers.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #591 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:22:10 pm »

Like everyone here, I’m so excited right now. My emotions when I found out reminded me a lot of how I felt after the Verlander trade was completed two years ago. I also love that we have an owner that wants to put the best product on the field every season and a front office that is among the best in the game.

I don’t want this ride as an Astros’ fan to end any time soon.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #592 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:29:08 pm »

Well said, Dvauthrin.

This is our squad. Let's see where this goes.

juliogotay · « **Reply #593 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:29:43 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 03:51:52 pm

Haven't seen the return. Could be a PTBNL

Maybe another reason for Cole to think harder about staying. I'm pretty sure he enjoys winning.

MusicMan · « **Reply #594 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:34:53 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 31, 2019, 04:10:40 pm

It's such an incredible lineup that the Mother of God is fifth in the rotation.

Are you saying Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?

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DVauthrin · « **Reply #595 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:36:59 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 04:56:12 pm

Maybe he is driven by dollars or by ego. I don’t know. I do know he said for publication “I never could have done this in Pittsburgh.” I hope JV talks to him about why he stayed. Maybe Cole will give some thought to what the Astros did for him.

Maybe only money matters to Cole. If so, he no doubt will leave. Now we have Greike’s deferred money and position players to extend. I will hate to lose Cole.

That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.

The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html

juliogotay · « **Reply #596 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:39:15 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on July 31, 2019, 04:55:41 pm

He's having a busy day, so I'll leave him alone.

He also says Luhnow told him Aaron Sanchez might start on Saturday and ideally will be used as a starter next season.

Watching Astros pre-game right now and Stanton is very excited about Sanchez. "this is a very good pitcher" not having a very good season right now but Strom will help him turn it around or to those effects.

juliogotay · « **Reply #597 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:46:12 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on July 31, 2019, 05:36:59 pm

That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.

The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html

If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".

JimR · « **Reply #598 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:47:55 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on July 31, 2019, 05:36:59 pm

That’s only part of the quote from Cole, and he’s open to remaining an Astro if the money is right. Also, he was interviewed after the Greinke trade and he was beyond excited, too. He genuinely likes it here.

The rest of it is: Houston, according to Cole, “checks a lot of the boxes. I expect them to be there when push comes to shove. I wouldn’t mind playing there for a lot longer.”

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/gerrit-cole-discusses-potential-trip-to-free-agency.html

That is more of what i’d Expect him to say. Of course, we have to try to keep him, but the JV-Greinke duo is here at least two more years.

Craig · « **Reply #599 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:49:31 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 31, 2019, 05:46:12 pm

If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".

Thank you, I only get the game broadcast on MLB.TV and no pre- or post-game, so this is great to hear.

MusicMan · « **Reply #600 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:52:07 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 31, 2019, 05:39:15 pm

Watching Astros pre-game right now and Stanton is very excited about Sanchez. "this is a very good pitcher" not having a very good season right now but Strom will help him turn it around or to those effects.

The man led the league in ERA a couple years ago. He’s got the stuff.

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Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #601 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:53:09 pm »

Here is Cole on Greinke

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1156668963746697216?s=21

MusicMan · « **Reply #602 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:53:23 pm »

Anyone remember that with all those prospects we shipped out, we called up another one today?

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JimR · « **Reply #603 on:** July 31, 2019, 05:54:02 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 31, 2019, 05:46:12 pm

If you missed Astros pre-game tonight, check it out when they replay it later. Cole was very excited and animated about the day's activities. HE praised Luhnow and Crane and said "I'm very proud to be an Astro right now".

I hope he remembers days like this and gives a lot of thought about what the Astros have done for him.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #604 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:03:45 pm »

Sanchez was pretty highly thought of at one point in time. He may have the worst stats in the majors right this minute, but it is going to be very interesting to see what Strom can do with him. I fully trust Luhnow and Strom to make this work. And as strange as it my sound, I’m almost as excited to see what they do with him as I am that we got ZG.

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jbm · « **Reply #605 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:08:54 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 31, 2019, 06:03:45 pm

Sanchez was pretty highly thought of at one point in time. He may have the worst stats in the majors right this minute, but it is going to be very interesting to see what Strom can do with him. I fully trust Luhnow and Strom to make this work. And as strange as it my sound, I’m almost as excited to see what they do with him as I am that we got ZG.

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I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?

Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #606 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:25:13 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 06:08:54 pm

I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?

Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?

Listening on radio and they just said they spotted Maldonado in the dugout. They didn’t say if he was in uniform.

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Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #607 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:28:03 pm »

So do I have this right: Luhnow got two big leaguers for Derek Fisher and two minor leaguers for Max Stassi?

JimR · « **Reply #608 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:31:06 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 31, 2019, 06:25:13 pm

Listening on radio and they just said they spotted Maldonado in the dugout. They didn’t say if he was in uniform.

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He arrived bottom 1.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #609 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:38:42 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 06:31:06 pm

He arrived bottom 1.

Astros.com says he is activated and on the 25 man

moriartp · « **Reply #610 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:40:04 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 31, 2019, 06:28:03 pm

So do I have this right: Luhnow got two big leaguers for Derek Fisher and two minor leaguers for Max Stassi?

Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #611 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:43:45 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on July 31, 2019, 06:40:04 pm

Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.

The Blue Jays are weird.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #612 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:49:12 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on July 31, 2019, 06:40:04 pm

Two big leaguers *and* a minor leaguer for Fisher.

On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.

utastro · « **Reply #613 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:55:04 pm »

I can't believe they actually went out and got Greinke. One of the dads on my son's travel ball team this summer told me months ago that the Astros will get Greinke this year. He's an Ex Army Ranger that loves the game of baseball. He didn't have any insider information and I took it with a huge grain of salt. I'm glad today I get to say damn you were right. Super sad that Rojas had to go. If you didn't get to watch this kid in Round Rock this summer, you missed out. He was a joy to watch. I went to one of the Correa rehab games and they had Rojas at 2nd. Correa got pulled in the 5th or 6th so as not to overextend him and Rojas moved back to short. He proceeded to put on a show. He hit 2 bombs that night also. One to straight away dead center that landed on top of the metal shed. The other an oppo shot to left field. I was sure he was going to be the super utility guy of the future.

moriartp · « **Reply #614 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:58:49 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on July 31, 2019, 06:49:12 pm

On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.

Fisher being Springer’s planned replacement would have been worrisome for many reasons.

doyce7 · « **Reply #615 on:** July 31, 2019, 06:58:50 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 31, 2019, 06:08:54 pm

I don’t follow these things closely, any idea what’s behind Sanchez’ troubles?

Also, as a side note, is Maldonado there tonight or is it only Chirinos?

So looking at his statcast data. Too many sinkers is a big problem, looks like guys are teeing off on that pitch. Like with Cole and Morton before him, I bet they say "no more sinkers, just get rid of it."

His curve has a really good spin rate and high wiff% so more curves. His change up also has pretty good numbers but he doesn't throw it much.

Those two changes maybe go a long way to fixing him and that's before Strom works too much with him on mechanics

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JimR · « **Reply #616 on:** July 31, 2019, 07:17:39 pm »

Quote from: EasTexAstro on July 31, 2019, 06:38:42 pm

Astros.com says he is activated and on the 25 man

He is in uniform.

JimR · « **Reply #617 on:** July 31, 2019, 07:18:57 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on July 31, 2019, 06:49:12 pm

On a related note, I hope this indicates that Springer will get his deal this off season. I worried they were keeping Fisher around as his replacement.

Now that is crazy

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #618 on:** July 31, 2019, 07:29:36 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on July 31, 2019, 06:58:49 pm

Fisher being Springer’s planned replacement would have been worrisome for many reasons.

Yes. An irrational fear for sure but I'm glad its not a possibility.

BudGirl · « **Reply #619 on:** July 31, 2019, 08:18:52 pm »

Funny. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA1xvLWWsAEm000.jpg

Jacksonian · « **Reply #620 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:03:52 pm »

Greinke’s first game should be August 6 against Colorado at home.

Snuffy · « **Reply #621 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:43:48 pm »

Quote from: jaklewein on July 31, 2019, 04:25:02 pm

And apparently we get two 18-year-old kids for Stassi. Obviously I know nothing about them but props to whatever intern they put in charge of getting this deal done while they were handling all the rest.

Right on!
two 18-year-old kids for Stassi

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....Outfielders Rainier Rivas and Raider Uceta are going to Houston in return, per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter).....

....two teenage outfielders from the depths of the Los Angeles minor-league ranks. MLB Pipeline doesn’t view either as one of the Halos’ top 30 prospects, though at just 18 years old, these are far from finished products. Both Rivas and Uceta are playing in the Arizona League with the Angels’ rookie-ball affiliate. Uceta has posted a .278/.341/.373 batting line in 138 plate appearances at the level, while Rivas has batted .400/.512/.543 in 86 PA.

Wasn't Alvarez 18 when he was traded to the Astros? (Correction: He was 19.)
Just saying....

Waldo · « **Reply #622 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:11:37 pm »

This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:

https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21

doyce7 · « **Reply #623 on:** August 01, 2019, 12:11:47 am »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 11:11:37 pm

This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:

https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21

Read that earlier and it is great. I knew some of it beforehand but really clues you in to the fact that Greinke is a bit of an odd bird. My favorite is the Alex Gordon one for those who have read it.

Another Greinke story I know of that wasn't told. Another pitcher(don't remember who)for the D-backs was working on some stuff and asked Greinke if he would watch a bullpen and let him know if he saw something, Greinke says ok. So the guy throws a full bullpen and Greinke, standing behind him watching intently, doesn't say a word the whole time. When done the pitcher turns to Greinke and asks "what'd you think?" Greinke, straight faced says "I think it'd be better if you threw 3 MPH faster" then turned and walked off not saying another word.

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JimR · « **Reply #624 on:** August 01, 2019, 07:42:44 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 01, 2019, 12:11:47 am

Read that earlier and it is great. I knew some of it beforehand but really clues you in to the fact that Greinke is a bit of an odd bird. My favorite is the Alex Gordon one for those who have read it.

Another Greinke story I know of that wasn't told. Another pitcher(don't remember who)for the D-backs was working on some stuff and asked Greinke if he would watch a bullpen and let him know if he saw something, Greinke says ok. So the guy throws a full bullpen and Greinke, standing behind him watching intently, doesn't say a word the whole time. When done the pitcher turns to Greinke and asks "what'd you think?" Greinke, straight faced says "I think it'd be better if you threw 3 MPH faster" then turned and walked off not saying another word.

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Sounds like Bibb Falk

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #625 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:24:33 am »

New York is taking this well

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA4yUX1WkAIaL-r?format=jpg&name=large

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #626 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:26:24 am »

NSFW language.

https://twitter.com/nickturturro1/status/1156661826190360576?s=21

BUWebguy · « **Reply #627 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:38:11 am »

This was an interesting post-deadline nugget from Peter Gammons:

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In the off-season, the Astros turned down Robby Ray for Corbin Martin, JB Bukauskus.

https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1156663597063442437?s=11

BUWebguy · « **Reply #628 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:47:32 am »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 11:11:37 pm

This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:

https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21

This is great -- thank you for sharing this.

toddthebod · « **Reply #629 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:05:01 am »

Quote from: BUWebguy on August 01, 2019, 08:38:11 am

This was an interesting post-deadline nugget from Peter Gammons:

https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/1156663597063442437?s=11

To be fair to Luhnow, Martin wasn't injured at the time and the Astros were probably hoping that Martin would be a big addition to the Astros rotation this season.

toddthebod · « **Reply #630 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:11:39 am »

Forget about the Greinke deal for a second, I am amazed at what Luhnow got back in return for Fisher. And the return for the three DFAs (yes I know that Stassi wasn't technically a DFA) was tremendous. The fact that he was able to get anything for Stassi is mind-boggling. This was a ridiculously good trade deadline for Luhnow and the front office.

Waldo · « **Reply #631 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:17:57 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 01, 2019, 07:42:44 am

Sounds like Bibb Falk

Also reminds me of a story from 1999 that Berkman told about Bagwell when Bagwell made the HOF.

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When Lance Berkman was hitting .095 during his first month in the Major Leagues, he had the usual questions young players have about whether they're good enough to play at this level.

That's when Jeff Bagwell pulled him aside.

"I think he's going to give me a great piece of advice," Berkman said. "Here's a veteran player that really wants to see me do well."

OK, here goes.

"He puts his arm around me and says, 'You know, Lance, you might want to think about hitting a few more balls on the barrel,'" Berkman remembered. And? "And that was it." Berkman smiled at the thought. "Well, I wish someone had told me that beforehand," he said. "That was great advice."

Jacksonian · « **Reply #632 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:33:44 am »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 11:11:37 pm

This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:

https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21

If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #633 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:37:56 am »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 01, 2019, 09:05:01 am

To be fair to Luhnow, Martin wasn't injured at the time and the Astros were probably hoping that Martin would be a big addition to the Astros rotation this season.

He may also have a less flattering view of Ray than others do.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #634 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:40:23 am »

Quote from: Waldo on August 01, 2019, 09:17:57 am

Also reminds me of a story from 1999 that Berkman told about Bagwell when Bagwell made the HOF.

My dad tells a story of struggling with command on the mound one day, and the manager comes out to have a word. Manager says “throw strikes”, and turns around and walks away. Dad says it was all he could do to not drill the manger right in the back.

BlownRanger · « **Reply #635 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:41:41 am »

My intentions for July, 2020:

RELAX

Enjoy the speculation, but rest assured in the knowledge that experts and insiders don't really know anything.

Revel in the amazement of what Luhnow & Co. accomplish on July 31st.

JimR · « **Reply #636 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:57:41 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on August 01, 2019, 09:41:41 am

My intentions for July, 2020:

RELAX

Enjoy the speculation, but rest assured in the knowledge that experts and insiders don't really know anything.

Revel in the amazement of what Luhnow & Co. accomplish on July 31st.

So true

BlownRanger · « **Reply #637 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:09:52 am »

Just a hunch, but as other organizations continue to emulate the Astros, this might include putting a tight fucking lid on information seeping out about intentions.

Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Mets interest in Stroman.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Reds interest in Bauer or Indians interest in Puig and Reyes.
Prior to the deal, only our own Todd the Bod forecast Astros interest in Greinke.

Can anyone name a single deal that got any mention more than a few minutes before it was announced?

doyce7 · « **Reply #638 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:17:17 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on August 01, 2019, 10:09:52 am

Just a hunch, but as other organizations continue to emulate the Astros, this might include putting a tight fucking lid on information seeping out about intentions.

Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Mets interest in Stroman.
Prior to the deal, there was no mention of Reds interest in Bauer or Indians interest in Puig and Reyes.
Prior to the deal, only our own Todd the Bod forecast Astros interest in Greinke.

Can anyone name a single deal that got any mention more than a few minutes before it was announced?

The Reds being in on Bauer was reported the day before but nobody believed it so it didn't get much play but it was out there

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Bench · « **Reply #639 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:25:21 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2019, 09:33:44 am

If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.

Isn't that what neurodivergent refers to?

MusicMan · « **Reply #640 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:25:43 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2019, 09:33:44 am

If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.

My thought exactly.

BlownRanger · « **Reply #641 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:27:14 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 01, 2019, 10:17:17 am

The Reds being in on Bauer was reported the day before but nobody believed it so it didn't get much play but it was out there

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Thanks. I stand corrected on that one, but I'll stick with the premise.

Fredia · « **Reply #642 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:56:43 am »

I think it hurt the sportcasters (espn etc) that the astros got the big on and poor poor NY Skankeees got no one. Life is so not fair.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #643 on:** August 01, 2019, 11:23:33 am »

The New York Times is all over the Yankees failure to get pitching help. Full page plus story in today's edition with unTimeslike pictures and graphics comparing the Yankees' and Astros' starting rotations highlighting the Astros' considerable advantage.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #644 on:** August 01, 2019, 11:40:30 am »

I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.

JimR · « **Reply #645 on:** August 01, 2019, 11:44:38 am »

Quote from: Waldo on July 31, 2019, 11:11:37 pm

This Twitter thread full of Greinke stories is well worth the read:

https://twitter.com/pigeonize/status/1156725659919691777?s=21

Wow. I hope Hinch is ready.

Snuffy · « **Reply #646 on:** August 01, 2019, 12:34:33 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2019, 09:33:44 am

If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.

If so, he is functioning at a very high level - amazing!

Bench · « **Reply #647 on:** August 01, 2019, 12:45:25 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on August 01, 2019, 11:40:30 am

I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.

I think it's pretty likely given the lack of available other options. Starting on Sunday the rotation will be Verlander, Greinke, Cole, Miley, 5th.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #648 on:** August 01, 2019, 12:50:02 pm »

Quote from: Bench on August 01, 2019, 12:45:25 pm

I think it's pretty likely given the lack of available other options. Starting on Sunday the rotation will be Verlander, Greinke, Cole, Miley, 5th.

Convenient that the off days bracketing the short Colorado series allow them to reset the rotation.

JimR · « **Reply #649 on:** August 01, 2019, 12:52:33 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2019, 12:50:02 pm

Convenient that the off days bracketing the short Colorado series allow them to reset the rotation.

Need a team meeting ASAP:

“How to Get along with Zack Greinke-The Dos and Don’ts”

DVauthrin · « **Reply #650 on:** August 01, 2019, 01:25:48 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2019, 09:33:44 am

If I didn't know better I'd guess he's on the spectrum.

Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507

toddthebod · « **Reply #651 on:** August 01, 2019, 01:39:55 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on August 01, 2019, 11:40:30 am

I wonder if Sanchez gets the Saturday start. A couple of sessions with Strom and he should be ready to go.

Before yesterday, I was thinking that Urquidy stays in the rotation and Sanchez becomes another multi-innings reliever. Maybe not.

BlownRanger · « **Reply #652 on:** August 01, 2019, 01:50:47 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 01, 2019, 12:52:33 pm

Need a team meeting ASAP:

“How to Get along with Zack Greinke-The Dos and Don’ts”

I wonder if Greinke has ever dealt with anyone like Springer. I predict they end up great friends.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #653 on:** August 01, 2019, 01:56:25 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 01, 2019, 01:25:48 pm

Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507

Good article. Thanks for posting.

Snuffy · « **Reply #654 on:** August 01, 2019, 02:07:50 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 01, 2019, 01:25:48 pm

Greinke was diagnosed with social anxiety disorder in 2006 after quitting baseball.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/mastery-mystery-zack-greinke/story%3fid=34389507

Great article! Tks for the link.
Love his advise to the backup Dodger catcher who had to jump in after #1 catcher was hurt:

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He tells me, 'Put down whatever you want. Everything right now is nasty.'

He sounds like he will be fun to watch!

Fredia · « **Reply #655 on:** August 01, 2019, 02:50:14 pm »

so who goes who stays

toddthebod · « **Reply #656 on:** August 01, 2019, 02:51:32 pm »

I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #657 on:** August 01, 2019, 03:01:18 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 01, 2019, 09:40:23 am

My dad tells a story of struggling with command on the mound one day, and the manager comes out to have a word. Manager says “throw strikes”, and turns around and walks away. Dad says it was all he could do to not drill the manger right in the back.

Heard that type of shit masquerading as advice many times. Another one that used to piss me off was "it's just pitch and catch, son."

There's only five reasons why a coach comes out there: (1) to give the bully time to get warm, (2) to give a pep talk, (3) to correct a mechanical issue or a releast point issue, (4) to take your young ass out, and (5) to give you a scouting report on an unfamiliar hitter.. In the case of the fourth, the coach's request for the pill is all the evidence one needs to ascertain that your next stop is the showers. The same is clear for the scouting report and mechanical error correction. I used to ask whihch of the other two other reasons are you out here for, pep talk or killing time for the bully?

BlownRanger · « **Reply #658 on:** August 01, 2019, 03:03:41 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 01, 2019, 02:51:32 pm

I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.

I usually pass on the pregame show because I find it boring, but I watched last night and I'll watch again tonight.

Texifornia · « **Reply #659 on:** August 01, 2019, 04:48:24 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 01, 2019, 02:51:32 pm

I cant wait to see the dugout tonight during the game.

MLB list Maldonado on the 25 man but none of the other acquisitions.
Urquidy, Sneed, and Abreu are all listed on the 25 man as of this posting, Pressley is on the IL and not on the 25 man. Right now, 12 pitchers are listed on the 25 man roster, they may go with 13 and option Straw for awhile after Pressley returns. My guess is that Urquidy, Sneed, and Abreu will go back to RR when the three new arms get on the team.

JimR · « **Reply #660 on:** August 01, 2019, 05:51:48 pm »

Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #661 on:** August 01, 2019, 05:55:48 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 01, 2019, 05:51:48 pm

Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.

Have a great call and a lot of fun, Coach!!!

JimR · « **Reply #662 on:** August 01, 2019, 05:58:25 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on August 01, 2019, 05:55:48 pm

Have a great call and a lot of fun, Coach!!!

Will certainly have fun!

doyce7 · « **Reply #663 on:** August 01, 2019, 06:39:27 pm »

Well here's how I think the roster shakes. Sanchez and Biagini added tomorrow with Urquidy and Abreu being optioned, Greinke added Tuesday with Sneed optioned

The 25 man would thus be

Verlander
Greinke
Cole
Miley
Sanchez

Osuna
Harris
Biagini
Rondon
Devo
Smith
Mchugh

Chirinos
Maldonado
Gurriel
Altuve
Correa
Bregman
Diaz
Straw
Brantley
Springer
Reddick
Marisnick
Alvarez

12 pitchers, 13 hitters.

Peacock is about to start rehab but might be a longer rehab. James I bet doesn't come back til September, even if he's ready the last week of August. Pressly will probably be the first one back and Straw is probably optioned at that point.

If Peacock and Pressly both come back before September then I'd say it'll be Straw and Devo. Gonna be interesting

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homer · « **Reply #664 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:23:18 pm »

Rondon will go before Devo

doyce7 · « **Reply #665 on:** August 01, 2019, 08:49:45 pm »

Quote from: homer on August 01, 2019, 08:23:18 pm

Rondon will go before Devo

If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon

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toddthebod · « **Reply #666 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:01:41 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 01, 2019, 08:49:45 pm

If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon

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Does McHugh have any options left?

doyce7 · « **Reply #667 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:04:03 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 01, 2019, 09:01:41 pm

Does McHugh have any options left?

Any player with more than 5 years of service time can refuse an option

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toddthebod · « **Reply #668 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:06:43 pm »

Ok. Outside of Osuna, Pressly, and Harris, this bullpen is very mediocre. I'm really hoping Biagini works out.

jbm · « **Reply #669 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:08:25 pm »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 01, 2019, 09:06:43 pm

Ok. Outside of Osuna, Pressly, and Harris, this bullpen is very mediocre. I'm really hoping Biagini works out.

Smith is good.

austro · « **Reply #670 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:08:34 pm »

Smith bails Rondon out.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #671 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:25:46 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 01, 2019, 05:51:48 pm

Am at Dell Diamond to work tonight. Media notes say Abraham Toro has been promoted to RR. He is not in the lineup tonight. Tucker is playing 1B. He did not hit a homer at home in July and only 3 during the month.

Tried to listen. The TuneIn app isn't working for the RR broadcast. Works fine for the Fresno broadcast but not Round Rock. Bummer. Tried it on computer and phone.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #672 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:49:12 pm »

Urquidy, Abreu, and Straw optioned.

MusicMan · « **Reply #673 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:51:27 pm »

Straw, Urquidy, and Abreu optioned

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jbm · « **Reply #674 on:** August 01, 2019, 09:57:17 pm »

Was Sneed already optioned?

Jacksonian · « **Reply #675 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:02:59 pm »

Quote from: jbm on August 01, 2019, 09:57:17 pm

Was Sneed already optioned?

No

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #676 on:** August 01, 2019, 10:23:14 pm »

Glad Straw went down, he needs playing time.

doyce7 · « **Reply #677 on:** August 02, 2019, 12:45:48 am »

I don't want to set expectations too high but the more I look into Aaron Sanchez, the more I see Charlie Morton. Same pre-Astros pitch mix and usage. Heavy sinker/4-seam with curve being a distant 3rd pitch even though the numbers day it's his best pitch. Both have struggled with injuries before coming to Houston. Both coming from organizations that favor pitching to contact, hence the sinkers. Throwing sinkers in 2019 with the ball the way it is and batters swinging the way they do, is a terrible way to go about pitching. As Blummer sometimes says, spin to win. That's what the Astros did with Charlie(and others) and that's what I think they are going to do with Sanchez.

I was confused by the pickup at first but now I get it and I'm excited to see what he can do, when armed with better data and coaching than he's gotten in Canada.

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toddthebod · « **Reply #678 on:** August 02, 2019, 08:49:13 am »

I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher. Luhnow was talking about how the Astros have been interested in Sanchez for years.

Fredia · « **Reply #679 on:** August 02, 2019, 08:57:13 am »

Osuna made me nervous last night

JimR · « **Reply #680 on:** August 02, 2019, 09:14:32 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 01, 2019, 08:49:45 pm

If it was dfa I would agree 100% but Devo has options, so it's the last week of August and you have to make an opening, better to option Devo than dfa Rondon

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I do not think these things matter as much as performance. The team is prepping for the playoffs. I do not want to jinx him, but Devo looks to have turned things around. If he has, and Rondon still is shaky to bad, Devo should be pitching to MLB hitters. As I said recently, Rondon is an enigma. He was and should be a reliable late inning guy.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #681 on:** August 02, 2019, 10:26:56 am »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 02, 2019, 08:49:13 am

I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher.

This.

juliogotay · « **Reply #682 on:** August 02, 2019, 10:30:45 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 02, 2019, 09:14:32 am

I do not think these things matter as much as performance. The team is prepping for the playoffs. I do not want to jinx him, but Devo looks to have turned things around. If he has, and Rondon still is shaky to bad, Devo should be pitching to MLB hitters. As I said recently, Rondon is an enigma. He was and should be a reliable late inning guy.

Rondon has made 43 appearances in 2019 and has allowed at least one hit in 23 of them. He has allowed multiple baserunners in 16 of them.

On May 12 Devenski had a 5.94 ERA. In 27 appearances since, Devenski: 31.1IP, 23H/12ER, 37K:13BB, 3.45 ERA / 1.15 WHIP

JimR · « **Reply #683 on:** August 02, 2019, 10:32:26 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 02, 2019, 10:30:45 am

Rondon has made 43 appearances in 2019 and has allowed at least one hit in 23 of them. He has allowed multiple baserunners in 16 of them.

On May 12 Devenski had a 5.94 ERA. In 27 appearances since, Devenski: 31.1IP, 23H/12ER, 37K:13BB, 3.45 ERA / 1.15 WHIP

If giving up hits bothers you, perhaps try another game?

BlownRanger · « **Reply #684 on:** August 02, 2019, 10:33:24 am »

Quote from: toddthebod on August 02, 2019, 08:49:13 am

I am still incredulous that the Astros got Sanchez (and two others) for Fisher. Luhnow was talking about how the Astros have been interested in Sanchez for years.

Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.

JimR · « **Reply #685 on:** August 02, 2019, 10:35:18 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on August 02, 2019, 10:33:24 am

Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.

Three players for Fisher. Mind-boggling.

Craig · « **Reply #686 on:** August 02, 2019, 11:04:54 am »

Quote from: BlownRanger on August 02, 2019, 10:33:24 am

Add me to the list in full agreement with this. One of the greatest risk/reward deals in recent memory. And don't overlook Biagini.

I didn't realize it until last night, but apparently Biagini is incredibly popular with fans because of his funny, deadpan interviews. There are compilation videos of his comments. So we also basically got a stand-up comedian to spar with Julia.

EDIT -- Here's a video

JimR · « **Reply #687 on:** August 02, 2019, 11:38:05 am »

Quote from: Craig on August 02, 2019, 11:04:54 am

I didn't realize it until last night, but apparently Biagini is incredibly popular with fans because of his funny, deadpan interviews. There are compilation videos of his comments. So we also basically got a stand-up comedian to spar with Julia.

EDIT -- Here's a video

and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #688 on:** August 02, 2019, 12:01:05 pm »

Winning mitigates manifold transgressions. Winning = lovably eccentric; losing = clubhouse poison.

BlownRanger · « **Reply #689 on:** August 02, 2019, 12:03:11 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 02, 2019, 11:38:05 am

and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.

I realize it was four years ago, but the Astros did an excellent job of letting Colby Rasmus be Colby and letting him integrate into the culture at his own pace. I hope the same dynamic is at work.

JimR · « **Reply #690 on:** August 02, 2019, 12:24:14 pm »

Quote from: BlownRanger on August 02, 2019, 12:03:11 pm

I realize it was four years ago, but the Astros did an excellent job of letting Colby Rasmus be Colby and letting him integrate into the culture at his own pace. I hope the same dynamic is at work.

The Astros are fortunate to have AJ Hinch-who my friend not prone to superlatives calls “the best communicator in baseball-at the helm.

AtascAstro · « **Reply #691 on:** August 02, 2019, 01:54:33 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 02, 2019, 11:38:05 am

and a recluse who may reject some aspects of the Houston clubhouse culture. I am looking forward with interest to see how Greinke adjusts to the team and how the team adjust to his more than a few idiosyncrasies.

Almost all of the stories that I read indicated that most of it was early in his career and pointed out how much he has grown and learned how to be a part of the clubhouse. None of the articles described him as a cancer or disruptive to the overall team chemistry.

This generation of players grew up in an era of much greater awareness and acceptance of people that might fall under the Neurodivergant label. Springer through his own disability and Bregman through his chosen charity are two examples. Cole said "I've gotten a chance to know Zack personally over the years and I think he's just a wonderful human being".

He will never be expected to be the leader of a staff with JV. He is surrounded by a mature and confident teammates. All he has to do is pitch. Honestly, there probably isn't a better clubhouse for him to join. I think he'll be just fine.

MusicMan · « **Reply #692 on:** August 02, 2019, 01:57:33 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 02, 2019, 12:24:14 pm

The Astros are fortunate to have AJ Hinch-who my friend not prone to superlatives calls “the best communicator in baseball-at the helm.

A guy who not only manages personalities, but who excels at translating the front office’s metrics into language for the players.

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JimR · « **Reply #693 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:01:40 pm »

Quote from: AtascAstro on August 02, 2019, 01:54:33 pm

Almost all of the stories that I read indicated that most of it was early in his career and pointed out how much he has grown and learned how to be a part of the clubhouse. None of the articles described him as a cancer or disruptive to the overall team chemistry.

This generation of players grew up in an era of much greater awareness and acceptance of people that might fall under the Neurodivergant label. Springer through his own disability and Bregman through his chosen charity are two examples. Cole said "I've gotten a chance to know Zack personally over the years and I think he's just a wonderful human being".

He will never be expected to be the leader of a staff with JV. He is surrounded by a mature and confident teammates. All he has to do is pitch. Honestly, there probably isn't a better clubhouse for him to join. I think he'll be just fine.

I do not disagree with you and do not think my post implied anything about his being a clubhouse cancer. I think the Astros clubhouse is like no other.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #694 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:02:37 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 02, 2019, 01:57:33 pm

A guy who not only manages personalities, but who excels at translating the front office’s metrics into language for the players.

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You said a mouthful of truth. Excellent point. Remember: it wasn't that long ago we had the pitcher who openly bitched out on the mound about the shifts.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #695 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:28:14 pm »

You're in good hands with AJ/Lunhow.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #696 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:34:31 pm »

The #Angels have DFA’d Jonathan Lucroy to make room for Max Stassi. Kevan Smith is still under control next year and Lucroy is a FA.

Kit · « **Reply #697 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:37:58 pm »

Re: Greinke. I heard he was a decent guy but had a bit of the social anxiety disorder deal going on.

JimR · « **Reply #698 on:** August 02, 2019, 02:49:08 pm »

Quote from: Kit on August 02, 2019, 02:37:58 pm

Re: Greinke. I heard he was a decent guy but had a bit of the social anxiety disorder deal going on.

Reams written about him and the disorder on this site in the aftermath of the trade..

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #699 on:** August 02, 2019, 05:02:37 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 02, 2019, 02:49:08 pm

Reams written about him and the disorder on this site in the aftermath of the trade..

Exactly. Also social-anxiety disorder, does not mean a person is an anti-social misanthrope in any way. It's more like clinical depression and is treated with the same drugs.