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Corbin Martin
« on: May 11, 2019, 10:59:53 pm »
MLB.com has him listed as the starter on Sunday. He's only got 24.1 innings at AAA, although he's pitched well, and the RR website doesn't even have him on the 40 man roster.

Does anyone have more detail or perhaps have seen him pitch? Presumably he takes Altuve's place on the 40 and 25 man roster and the team goes forward with 13 pitchers, but does this mean McHugh is back to the pen?
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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 12:34:25 am »


MLB.com has him listed as the starter on Sunday. He's only got 24.1 innings at AAA, although he's pitched well, and the RR website doesn't even have him on the 40 man roster.

Does anyone have more detail or perhaps have seen him pitch? Presumably he takes Altuve's place on the 40 and 25 man roster and the team goes forward with 13 pitchers, but does this mean McHugh is back to the pen?

There is room on the 40-man already, I believe. Altuve will go to IL allowing Martin to be called up. Astros will go with 13 pitchers for the time being, as they have done the past few years. Mchugh was announced to the pen before the game tonight.

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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 12:39:45 am »
MLB.com has him listed as the starter on Sunday. He's only got 24.1 innings at AAA, although he's pitched well, and the RR website doesn't even have him on the 40 man roster.

Does anyone have more detail or perhaps have seen him pitch? Presumably he takes Altuve's place on the 40 and 25 man roster and the team goes forward with 13 pitchers, but does this mean McHugh is back to the pen?

I think Jim did color commentary for one of his starts.  Can't remember which thread but he posted his observations and Martin's numbers.

ETA: it's in the roster thread, page 25.   I don't know how to link to individual posts.
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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 07:08:03 am »
MLB.com has him listed as the starter on Sunday. He's only got 24.1 innings at AAA, although he's pitched well, and the RR website doesn't even have him on the 40 man roster.

Does anyone have more detail or perhaps have seen him pitch? Presumably he takes Altuve's place on the 40 and 25 man roster and the team goes forward with 13 pitchers, but does this mean McHugh is back to the pen?

Cabrera and I reported on the one game I saw him pitch. I replied to julio in the Roster thread. Martin outpitched Whitley and the others in RR by a lot.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 08:53:54 am »
Interesting tidbit re: Martin. He was the player selected with the extra pick for the Chris Correa Hack-job.

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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 07:35:13 am »
Just my two curiosities from watching Martin on Sunday:

1. He works from the stretch. Is this an after effect of starting out as a reliever?
2. Damn, he works fast. Fun to watch.
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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 08:11:30 am »
Just my two curiosities from watching Martin on Sunday:

1. He works from the stretch. Is this an after effect of starting out as a reliever?
2. Damn, he works fast. Fun to watch.

No. He is winding up with no one on. His stance fooled you. He uses a very efficient, compact windup.
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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 09:20:25 am »
There was no MLB player with the first name of Corbin for 115 years.

Now RHPs named Corbin have made debuts in consecutive years.

Corbin Burnes appeared in 30 games for Milwaukee last year (7-0, 2.61 ERA). 

There have been 3 players with the last name of Corbin: Archie, Patrick,  and Ray.




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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 09:25:36 am »
No. He is winding up with no one on. His stance fooled you. He uses a very efficient, compact windup.

This has been a trend for some years now.  Some guys have very little motion in their windup.  Not a lot of guys left with the old step back, hands above the head type of thing.  McHugh is that way and so is Lance McCullers.  Verlander is an in between guy.
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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 09:29:11 am »
There was no MLB player with the first name of Corbin for 115 years.

Now RHPs named Corbin have made debuts in consecutive years.

Corbin Burnes appeared in 30 games for Milwaukee last year (7-0, 2.61 ERA). 

There have been 3 players with the last name of Corbin: Archie, Patrick,  and Ray.

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Re: Corbin Martin
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2019, 09:32:04 am »
There was no MLB player with the first name of Corbin for 115 years.

Now RHPs named Corbin have made debuts in consecutive years.

Corbin Burnes appeared in 30 games for Milwaukee last year (7-0, 2.61 ERA). 

There have been 3 players with the last name of Corbin: Archie, Patrick,  and Ray.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2019, 09:48:13 am »
This has been a trend for some years now.  Some guys have very little motion in their windup.  Not a lot of guys left with the old step back, hands above the head type of thing.  McHugh is that way and so is Lance McCullers.  Verlander is an in between guy.
My observation is that it is more of a trend with the Astros, though it might still be a pitcher-specific approach.  I wonder if their analytics folks have determined that the traditional windup is either wasted motion, or just a complicating factor for repetition. The simplified windup was also employed by Whitley. 

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 09:53:57 am »
My observation is that it is more of a trend with the Astros, though it might still be a pitcher-specific approach.  I wonder if their analytics folks have determined that the traditional windup is either wasted motion, or just a complicating factor for repetition. The simplified windup was also employed by Whitley.

The simplified motion means...well, less motion, especially in the shoulders and head.  It keeps them on the same plane throughout the windup, and helps the pitcher focus on the target.  It's also easier to repeat a simple motion, which in turn helps with command.  I don't know if the Astros teach it specifically or if it's an individual thing for each pitcher.  My guess is it's the latter, and if a pitcher is having trouble with command, simplifying his windup motion is one of the first things to try and help.
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2019, 11:58:22 am »
This is a good thread, I love learning about pitching from you guys. Stuff I never noticed before, I now look for because of info passed along from Jim, HH, Doyce, and a few others. Even Mr Happy.
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2019, 12:05:35 pm »
No. He is winding up with no one on. His stance fooled you. He uses a very efficient, compact windup.

Jim, you’re exactly right. The side stance fooled me to the point that I didn’t even notice his windup.


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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2019, 12:09:16 pm »
The simplified motion means...well, less motion, especially in the shoulders and head.  It keeps them on the same plane throughout the windup, and helps the pitcher focus on the target.  It's also easier to repeat a simple motion, which in turn helps with command.  I don't know if the Astros teach it specifically or if it's an individual thing for each pitcher.  My guess is it's the latter, and if a pitcher is having trouble with command, simplifying his windup motion is one of the first things to try and help.

I think it may be more about repeating the motion than about the eyes.  There should be no difficulty with keeping the eyes on the target in either motion. I used the hands above the head (everyone did), and my dad insisted I never take my eyes off the target. Some pitchers look at their feet or toward a base or to Heaven (Valenzuela). A pitcher rotates his body with either method, and keeping his head steady on the target should be easy either way.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2019, 12:23:48 pm »
Fangraphs talks about Martin after his start:  https://blogs.fangraphs.com/corbin-martin-major-leaguer/
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2019, 05:13:52 pm »
I think it may be more about repeating the motion than about the eyes.  There should be no difficulty with keeping the eyes on the target in either motion. I used the hands above the head (everyone did), and my dad insisted I never take my eyes off the target. Some pitchers look at their feet or toward a base or to Heaven (Valenzuela). A pitcher rotates his body with either method, and keeping his head steady on the target should be easy either way.

I've been told it's more about the shoulders, and keeping them in the same plane.  Just helps with release point.  But I was never a pitcher so I don't know how much that's a factor.  I can recognize some of the common mechanical mistakes like overstriding or dropping the elbow pretty quickly, but like Tim McCarver, the biggest thing I know about pitching is it's hard to hit.  I agree that repeating your motion is probably the biggest factor.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2019, 05:23:47 pm »


I don't know if the Astros teach it specifically or if it's an individual thing for each pitcher.  My guess is it's the latter, and if a pitcher is having trouble with command, simplifying his windup motion is one of the first things to try and help.

I would agree with this. Most pitchers want to pitch how they have always pitched and are only willing to change mechanics when things start going wrong.

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2019, 05:25:07 pm »
This is a good thread, I love learning about pitching from you guys. Stuff I never noticed before, I now look for because of info passed along from Jim, HH, Doyce, and a few others. Even Mr Happy.
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 05:27:52 pm »
Wow, I wouldn't have expected my name here. I appreciate the compliment.

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 07:54:18 pm »
I've been told it's more about the shoulders, and keeping them in the same plane.  Just helps with release point.  But I was never a pitcher so I don't know how much that's a factor.  I can recognize some of the common mechanical mistakes like overstriding or dropping the elbow pretty quickly, but like Tim McCarver, the biggest thing I know about pitching is it's hard to hit.  I agree that repeating your motion is probably the biggest factor.

The front shoulder must stay closed. Probably easier with the compact motion.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 11:25:21 pm »
I personally, in my very brief pitching career, found it much easier to focus on the catcher's mitt during my windup/motion than looking anywhere else.

The only time that wasn't true was being a lefty pitcher with a runner on first. In those cases, even I didn't know if I was going to throw to 1st or home when I started my pitching motion.

Apparently it caused some problems with base runners.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2019, 08:57:59 am »
I personally, in my very brief pitching career, found it much easier to focus on the catcher's mitt during my windup/motion than looking anywhere else.

The only time that wasn't true was being a lefty pitcher with a runner on first. In those cases, even I didn't know if I was going to throw to 1st or home when I started my pitching motion.

Apparently it caused some problems with base runners.

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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2019, 07:24:04 pm »
This is a good thread, I love learning about pitching from you guys. Stuff I never noticed before, I now look for because of info passed along from Jim, HH, Doyce, and a few others. Even Mr Happy.

You rang? Martin's approach is very similar to what I used to teach. I believe that every movement in a windup should have a purpose. I very much favor an Occam's Razor approach. While I understand the desire to interpose more motion in an attempt to either hide the ball or deceive the hitter, I have always maintained that the most important aspect of pitching is balance.

It's essential to be able to repeat a delivery, and in my opinion, the more motion you have, the higher the likelihood that you'll have mechanical problems or trouble repeating a delivery. Remember that I  primarily worked with beginning pitchers.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2019, 09:15:54 am »
You rang? Martin's approach is very similar to what I used to teach. I believe that every movement in a windup should have a purpose. I very much favor an Occam's Razor approach. While I understand the desire to interpose more motion in an attempt to either hide the ball or deceive the hitter, I have always maintained that the most important aspect of pitching is balance.

It's essential to be able to repeat a delivery, and in my opinion, the more motion you have, the higher the likelihood that you'll have mechanical problems or trouble repeating a delivery. Remember that I  primarily worked with beginning pitchers.

what you write makes perfect sense and seems to be the trend among today's pitchers. I do, however, miss the flamboyance somewhat of the guys like  Marichal  and the high leg kick of Spahn and guys of that era.

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2019, 05:01:33 pm »
Martin down, Guduan up.  That indicates Framber to the rotation.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2019, 07:24:30 pm »
Martin down, Guduan up.  That indicates Framber to the rotation.

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2019, 07:38:13 pm »
Martin down, Guduan up.  That indicates Framber to the rotation.

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