MadBum

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Rosenthal has his no trade waiver list:

https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1127255613849759745?s=21

All contenders,  including Astros,  Bosox, Yankees in the AL.

[Jacksonian]

So he’ll be with the Twins before the deadline.

[JimR]

Does not mean he will say no. Means a yes will cost $.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

The wording of that tweet is confusing.

Most commenters,  who are just a different flavor of idiot then those of us here,  are interpreting this as the list of teams he'd be willing to go to,  but they remain 'no trade' status so that he has more power to control where he goes.   Just like Verlander did.

As Jim said,  it'll cost you.

Interesting that Minnesota and Cleveland are not on this list.   Don't know if that means 'no way'.

[TerryPuhl21]

Curious that the Braves are on his no trade list. He grew up in North Carolina. They are geographically closest to home and you would think he grew up watching them.


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[doyce7]

Curious that the Braves are on his no trade list. He grew up in North Carolina. They are geographically closest to home and you would think he grew up watching them.


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This is more of a "who is most likely to trade for me" list than a "who do I not want to play for" list

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[JimR]

Curious that the Braves are on his no trade list. He grew up in North Carolina. They are geographically closest to home and you would think he grew up watching them.


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Are you listening? His no trade list does not mean he’ll veto it. He is setting up a payday for his waiver. I agree keeping some contenders off is strange.

[Jacksonian]

Are you listening? His no trade list does not mean he’ll veto it. He is setting up a payday for his waiver. I agree keeping some contenders off is strange.

He was limited to 8 I believe so some contenders would have to be left off.

[JimR]

He was limited to 8 I believe so some contenders would have to be left off.

Ah, ok. Makes sense with a limit.

[doyce7]

The wording of that tweet is confusing.

Most commenters,  who are just a different flavor of idiot then those of us here,  are interpreting this as the list of teams he'd be willing to go to,  but they remain 'no trade' status so that he has more power to control where he goes.   Just like Verlander did.

As Jim said,  it'll cost you.

Interesting that Minnesota and Cleveland are not on this list.   Don't know if that means 'no way'.

I think that the reasonable explanation for the Twins and Indians not being on the list is that he doesn't think they would take on his contract anyway so no need

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[TerryPuhl21]

Are you listening? His no trade list does not mean he’ll veto it. He is setting up a payday for his waiver. I agree keeping some contenders off is strange.

Jim, I know how no trade lists work and that he can change his mind any time. I just thought the Braves being on there was curious. I realize now why they are on there. Thanks for your input though.


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[JimR]

Jim, I know how no trade lists work and that he can change his mind any time. I just thought the Braves being on there was curious. I realize now why they are on there. Thanks for your input though.


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Rosenthal  told us his list is not the norm. Of course you already knew that.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

https://theathletic.com/977591/2019/05/15/bowden-breaking-down-madison-bumgarners-trade-value-and-best-potential-fits/

Rundown of the contenders.   I'm sure the chatter and the asking price will only increase as the season unfolds.

[Lefty]

https://theathletic.com/977591/2019/05/15/bowden-breaking-down-madison-bumgarners-trade-value-and-best-potential-fits/

Rundown of the contenders.   I'm sure the chatter and the asking price will only increase as the season unfolds.

Stroman very much intrigues me.

[juliogotay]

Stroman very much intrigues me.

Stroman has an ERA over 7 in his last 3 starts. 

[doyce7]

Stroman has an ERA over 7 in his last 3 starts.

And even with that his ERA for the season is 3.12 because his ERA of 1.43 in the first 6 starts. I'd like to see what the Astros and Strom do do with Stroman

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[Knoxbanedoodle]

I'd like to see what the Astros and Strom do do with Stroman

Geez, when you put it that way, it really seems inevitable.

[MusicMan]

Geez, when you put it that way, it really seems inevitable.

Dread it... run from it... destiny arrives all the same. Or should I say, Luhnow does.


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[TerryPuhl21]

I would take Stroman in a heartbeat but my first choice would be Bumgarner.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I would take Stroman in a heartbeat but my first choice would be Bumgarner.

I'd probably pass on Stroman, unless Toronto gives him to us for a combination of Fisher, Reed and White. Hell, give them all three.

[doyce7]

Stroman back on track tonight. 6 innings 2 runs, 1 earned and 6 K's

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[doyce7]

I'd probably pass on Stroman, unless Toronto gives him to us for a combination of Fisher, Reed and White. Hell, give them all three.

I wonder what it would take to get Stroman, more that Madbum of course but you'd get him for this season and next.

Would Fisher and Bukauskas be enough, too much?

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[jbm]

I'd never do that if I were Toronto. 

[JimR]

I would love to know what the plan is to complete this roster.

[TerryPuhl21]

I wonder what it would take to get Stroman, more that Madbum of course but you'd get him for this season and next.

Would Fisher and Bukauskas be enough, too much?

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From what I heard on the radio regarding Toronto, they need outfield help. So a pitcher plus outfielder(s) would be going that way.


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[TerryPuhl21]

I would love to know what the plan is to complete this roster.

Me too Jim.

Let me ask this question. Assuming Bumgarner throws good up to the deadline and he looks like the guy you want, SF from what I hear on radio wants to get younger and wants outfielders badly. Would you do Tucker for Bumgarner straight up even though Bumgarner is a rental?

I think I would....


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[JimR]

Me too Jim.

Let me ask this question. Assuming Bumgarner throws good up to the deadline and he looks like the guy you want, SF from what I hear on radio wants to get younger and wants outfielders badly. Would you do Tucker for Bumgarner straight up even though Bumgarner is a rental?

I think I would....


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Dunno. I would want some indication he would sign with Houston. Tucker for a rental who will leave is pretty steep if everyone still wants him.

[homer]

Bumgarner is not the same pitcher since his injury.

[das]

And even with that his ERA for the season is 3.12 because his ERA of 1.43 in the first 6 starts. I'd like to see what the Astros and Strom do do with Stroman

Very McHughian numbers and timeline.

[JimR]

Bumgarner is not the same pitcher since his injury.

In 2017 about this time a solid majority of the board agreed Verlander was too old, too expensive, and too much over the hiss to be an acquisition target. That same majority agreed Luhnow should not try to trade for him because he was not worth the prospects it would cost. Look what JV did after coming to Houston. I would not mind seeing if the Astros could revive Madbum, but he would have to give an indication he will stay. Tucker or whoever is too much for a rental who may be a bit of a project.

[juliogotay]

In 2017 about this time a solid majority of the board agreed Verlander was too old, too expensive, and too much over the hiss to be an acquisition target. That same majority agreed Luhnow should not try to trade for him because he was not worth the prospects it would cost. Look what JV did after coming to Houston. I would not mind seeing if the Astros could revive Madbum, but he would have to give an indication he will stay. Tucker or whoever is too much for a rental who may be a bit of a project.

Good analogy with JV. I, for one, didn't expect to get what Houston has gotten from him. And remember that JV wasn't even sure he wanted to come, initially.  Now he looks like he has several good years left.

[austro]

Bumgarner's last three starts (LAD, @COL, CIN):  18.0 IP,20 H, 8 R, 7 ER, 23 K, 3 BB.

[JimR]

Bumgarner's last three starts (LAD, @COL, CIN):  18.0 IP,20 H, 8 R, 7 ER, 23 K, 3 BB.

and your conclusion is?

[MRaup]

and your conclusion is?

Looking at those stats, I'd say he is a pitcher.

[homer]

In 2017 about this time a solid majority of the board agreed Verlander was too old, too expensive, and too much over the hiss to be an acquisition target. That same majority agreed Luhnow should not try to trade for him because he was not worth the prospects it would cost. Look what JV did after coming to Houston. I would not mind seeing if the Astros could revive Madbum, but he would have to give an indication he will stay. Tucker or whoever is too much for a rental who may be a bit of a project.

I cant remember a single person on this board against a JV trade- quite the contrary in fact. I remember lots of folks pissed that Lunhow didn't pull it of at the non-waiver deadline. Also, JV didn't fall off a 4 wheeler and suffer a type II AC sprain.

[doyce7]

In 2017 about this time a solid majority of the board agreed Verlander was too old, too expensive, and too much over the hiss to be an acquisition target. That same majority agreed Luhnow should not try to trade for him because he was not worth the prospects it would cost. Look what JV did after coming to Houston. I would not mind seeing if the Astros could revive Madbum, but he would have to give an indication he will stay. Tucker or whoever is too much for a rental who may be a bit of a project.

JV in 2017 was back on the upswing and had even finished 2nd in Cy Young voting in 2016

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[JimR]

I cant remember a single person on this board against a JV trade- quite the contrary in fact. I remember lots of folks pissed that Lunhow didn't pull it of at the non-waiver deadline. Also, JV didn't fall off a 4 wheeler and suffer a type II AC sprain.

Surely you jest. You must be old and forgetful. It happens.

[MusicMan]

I cant remember a single person on this board against a JV trade- quite the contrary in fact. I remember lots of folks pissed that Lunhow didn't pull it of at the non-waiver deadline. Also, JV didn't fall off a 4 wheeler and suffer a type II AC sprain.

I quite vocally said that his ace days were behind him and that he’d be a nice number 2, but don’t overpay for him.


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[austro]

and your conclusion is?

None, really, other than at the moment he appears to be neither lights out nor hopeless.

I personally think that good players will improve their performance a bit when they move to a contending team. These guys are professionals, and I'm not suggesting that they consciously ease off, but it's a long summer, and the prospect of going out there every day for a lousy team that's already 10.5 games back before Memorial Day can't provide the same motivational spark as playing for a contender.

[geezerdonk]

What’s his spin rate?