Author Topic: Indians at Astros, April 27, 2019 (Read 11244 times)

MusicMan · « **on:** April 27, 2019, 03:09:34 pm »

Umps miss a call on the second pitch of the game, calling a Leonys Martin foul ball a home run. Overturned on review.

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:12:10 pm »

Has to be embarrassing to miss that call.

Glad replay was there.

Lefty · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:12:15 pm »

Peacock threw that right down the middle and got lucky.

MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:14:57 pm »

Top 1:
Martin pops foul to 3B with the shift on, Diaz overruns it and reaches back for a circus catch.
Peacock gets Ramirez swinging on 2-2 fastball down the middle.
Gonzales grounds to Correa thanks to the shift.

Mid 1, Indians 0, Astros coming to bat.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:15:27 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 03:12:10 pm

Has to be embarrassing to miss that call.

Glad replay was there.

Reddick wasn’t sure. He sure didn’t throw his hands up.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:26:15 pm »

BOT 1:
Swinger flails at one down and in. K
Altuve works back from 1-2 to draw a walk.
Bregman pops to shallow center, Altuve holds.
Brantley rolls over for the 4-3.

After 1, no score.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:26:52 pm »

Amazing how last year changed expectations. Bregman has a .929 OPS and I feel like he’s not locked in at all.

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:29:17 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 27, 2019, 03:26:52 pm

Amazing how last year changed expectations. Bregman has a .929 OPS and I feel like he’s not locked in at all.

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He said as much a couple of weeks ago.

Said he hasn't been punishing pitches or somesuch.

MusicMan · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:31:57 pm »

TOP 2:

Fox misses the first pitch showing a Vanilla Orange Coke ad.
Santana flies out to medium-deep CF on 0-1.
Kipnis flies softly to LF.
Bauers just misses, flies out to RF

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:38:22 pm »

Dang. Yuli smoked that ball.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:38:55 pm »

Diaz splits the gap!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:40:13 pm »

Is Stassi heavier than last year?

Lefty · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:40:55 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 03:40:13 pm

Is Stassi heavier than last year?

He's definitely more worthless.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:41:01 pm »

Swing the bat, Max.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:44:47 pm »

Gotta swing at that, George. Too close to take.

MusicMan · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:44:57 pm »

BOT 2:

Correa lines the first pitch over the 2b for a single
Reddick walks on 3-2 with Correa running
Hulk smashes a slider but right at Gonzales in LF, one down, runners hold
Diaz splits the RCF gap, CORREA SCORES, Reddick to 3B, RBI 2b.
Stassi goes to 2-2 on a terrible check swing, takes a cookie for strike 3, just looks brutal at the plate right now.
Springer fouls off a hanging 2-0 slider, yanks a fastball foul, barely checks for 3-2, takes fastball on outside corner for the backwards K.

Astros waste a shot at a big inning, lead 1-0.

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:45:09 pm »

Yes George, that was a strike.

Swing the bat.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:53:08 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 03:45:09 pm

Yes George, that was a strike.

Swing the bat.

I haven't seen the orange-top unis all year. What gives? Did I miss them?

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #18 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:54:42 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on April 27, 2019, 03:53:08 pm

I haven't seen the orange-top unis all year. What gives? Did I miss them?

It's been less than 24 hours since they've last worn them.

MusicMan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:57:35 pm »

TOP 3:

Naquin walks on a full count
Naquin steals second as Altuve runs in front of the bag for the throw
Plawecki strikes out swinging on a changeup(?). Must be moving well because Peacock is getting swing and miss in the zone.
Peacock gets Freeman looking on the backdoor slider
Martin swings through the 2-2 to end the inning

Mid 3, 1-0 Astros

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:00:53 pm »

Altuve looked like he was standing so far away.

MusicMan · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:04:12 pm »

BOT 3:

Altuve pops on the infield grass, caught by the 1B
Bregman just misses it towards the hands, flies just short of the CF track
Brantley swings way in front of the offspeed for the K

After 3, still 1-0 Astros

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:10:38 pm »

Runners on the corners with no outs.

Come on Brad.

MusicMan · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:14:17 pm »

TOP 4:

Ramirez drops an 0-1 pitch in front of Brantley for a single
Gonzales slaps the 1-1 hit and run the other way, first and third with nobody out.
Santana grounds right to a shifted Correa, steps on second and throws for the easy DP, run comes home.
Kipnis looked like he got all of one, Reddick calmly stands in front of the wall, puts his glove on the yellow stripe, and makes the catch.

Mid 4, tied at 1.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:17:46 pm »

I’m watching on the Fox Sports app and the announcers suddenly sound like they’re in a bathroom

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #25 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:21:19 pm »

Offense suddenly anemic.

MusicMan · « **Reply #26 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:22:04 pm »

Correa strikes out swinging at one down and in, looks just like Springer’s earlier.
Announcers spend some time singing the Rays’ praises
Reddick off the end of the bat for the 5-3 putout
Yuli fails to check his swing on one that bounced in front of the plate to go 0-1. Then grounds 5-3.

Astros had Bieber on the ropes in the 2nd, let him off, and now he’s cruising.

After 4, tied at 1.

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austro · « **Reply #27 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:29:01 pm »

Need a win today as a gift for my new granddaughter born this morning.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #28 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:30:30 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 27, 2019, 04:29:01 pm

Need a win today as a gift for my new granddaughter born this morning.

Congratulations!

Lefty · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:30:43 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 27, 2019, 04:29:01 pm

Need a win today as a gift for my new granddaughter born this morning.

Awesome!

Bregman is great millennial girl's name.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:30:55 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 27, 2019, 04:29:01 pm

Need a win today as a gift for my new granddaughter born this morning.

Congrats! Hopefully the 'Stros will come thru.

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:31:06 pm »

Top 5:

Peacock gets Bauers looking with the black door slider
Naquin pops harmlessly to LF
Pawlecki sends one down the 3B line for a double
Freeman strikes out on 3-2, the sixth for Peacock.

Halfway through, 1-1.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #32 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:31:24 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 27, 2019, 04:29:01 pm

Need a win today as a gift for my new granddaughter born this morning.

Mazel tov!

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #33 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:31:51 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on April 27, 2019, 04:30:43 pm

Awesome!

Bregman is great millennial girl's name.

Brantley could definitely pass for a girls first name.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #34 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:34:40 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 04:31:51 pm

Brantley could definitely pass for a girls first name.

I'd try to live on the edge and go with Orbit.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #35 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:38:05 pm »

Throw him a juicy fastball.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:42:10 pm »

That is some bad luck.

MusicMan · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:42:41 pm »

BOT 5:

Diaz K swinging at the slider low
Stassi swings 0-2 at one at his eyes. Just an automatic out right now.
Springer draws the walk, steals second - throw sails high but backed up well, no advance
Altuve checks on a 2-2 up and in, but it hits the bat and stays fair for the 1-3 putout.

End 5, still 1-1

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Tom Servo · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:45:03 pm »

Nice catch, Josh!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:45:16 pm »

Josh with a nice running catch!

chuck · « **Reply #40 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:48:32 pm »

You could keep it relatively traditional and go with Yuli.

MusicMan · « **Reply #41 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:51:00 pm »

Running out of battery, someone else can take PBP

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austro · « **Reply #42 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:54:26 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 27, 2019, 04:48:32 pm

You could keep it relatively traditional and go with Yuli.

That's kind of her mom's name (Julia). Baby's name is Naomi.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #43 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:55:48 pm »

Let's go, offense.

Brad pitched has his ass off.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #44 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:59:03 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 03:54:42 pm

It's been less than 24 hours since they've last worn them.

What timing I have with my questions.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #45 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:59:08 pm »

Peacock gives up a 2 out single and nothing else.

To the bottom of the 6th tied at 1.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #46 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:01:57 pm »

Carlos!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #47 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:02:07 pm »

Carlos!

subnuclear · « **Reply #48 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:02:11 pm »

Correa!

moriartp · « **Reply #49 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:02:11 pm »

Y’all just made me realize I can give a future kid the initials CFM.

austro · « **Reply #50 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:02:32 pm »

Correa!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #51 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:08:09 pm »

Bottom 6

Bregman walks
Brantley F7
Correa lines a homer into the Crawford Boxes, Bregman scores
Reddick Ks swinging
Gurriel Ks looking

End 6
Indians 1
Astros 3

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #52 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:13:04 pm »

This ump has the most disinterested strike call ever.

chuck · « **Reply #53 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:17:31 pm »

Quote from: moriartp on April 27, 2019, 05:02:11 pm

Y’all just made me realize I can give a future kid the initials CFM.

Seems like a no-brainer.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #54 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:18:33 pm »

Jeez, I can make a better throw than that, Max.

MusicMan · « **Reply #55 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:20:12 pm »

Stassi is really pissing me off

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Tom Servo · « **Reply #56 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:22:33 pm »

AS soon as they showed the RISP stat, I knew that was going to happen.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #57 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:23:30 pm »

Top 7

Will Harris starts the inning

Kipnis Ks swinging
Bauers reaches on an infield single
Naquin rolls one thru the middle, Bauers stops at 2nd
Lindor announced, AJ calls for Pressly
Lindor takes a 1 strike slider that eludes Stassi, runners advance to 2nd and 3rd (WP), a F7 Sac as Bauers scores
Freeman goes full, lines a ball into RF that ties the game
Martin lines out to Correa

Mid 7
Indians 3
Astros 3

austro · « **Reply #58 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:24:29 pm »

That curve to Freeman pisses me off. He had already shown he was completely overmatched by the high fastball.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #59 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:25:54 pm »

No decision for Peacock.

The sac fly represented Harris's first run allowed this season.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #60 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:29:54 pm »

Bottom 7

Diaz 5-3
Stassi 5-3
Springer hits a soft broken bat flare to SS

End 7
Indians 3
Astros 3

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #61 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:30:11 pm »

That was pathetic.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #62 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:36:48 pm »

Top 8

Pressly continues to work

Ramirez 3-1
Gonzales 5-3
Santana Ks swinging

Mid 8
Indians 3
Astros 3

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #63 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:45:44 pm »

Bregman took DH advice from Tyler.

(I know, I know. He hit a couple of fly balls pretty well)

JimR · « **Reply #64 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:51:41 pm »

Pressly’s WP was a killer.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #65 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:53:33 pm »

Bottom 8

Otero still pitching

Altuve reaches on an infield single
Bregman pops out to the SS in shallow LF
Olson (LHP) relieves Otero
Brantley Ks looking
Clippard (RHP) relieves Olson
Correa Ks swinging

End 8
Indians 3
Astros 3

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #66 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:53:53 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 27, 2019, 05:51:41 pm

Pressly’s WP was a killer.

For sure.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #67 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:55:02 pm »

Clippard isn't supposed to do that.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #68 on:** April 27, 2019, 05:55:45 pm »

The lone hit for batters 1 thru 4 was Altuve's infield chopper.

Correa has 2 and Diaz the other 1.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #69 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:01:35 pm »

Holeee shi-ite, Carlos

austro · « **Reply #70 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:01:49 pm »

Man, what a play by Correa!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #71 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:02:00 pm »

Top 9

Osuna in

Kipnis pops out to Correa
Bauers F7
Naquin sends one up the middle, back hand snag by Correa gets him 6-3

Mid 9
Indians 3
Astros 3

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #72 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:02:24 pm »

Let's Go, offense!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #73 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:03:41 pm »

Man, Correa can flash some leather.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #74 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:05:32 pm »

Kill Clippard.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #75 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:07:44 pm »

Bottom 9

Clippard remains on the mound

Reddick 4-3
Gurriel Ks swinging at an eye-high pitch
Diaz F7

End 9
Indians 3
Astros 3

Tom Servo · « **Reply #76 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:07:55 pm »

My watch told me it was going into extras before I saw the final out.

SPOILERS, DAMMIT!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #77 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:14:57 pm »

Top 10

Osuna still in

Perez singles to RF
Freeman Sac bunt 3-4 advances Perez to 2nd
Martin Ks swinging on high cheese, breaks his bat in frustration (took him 2 tries)
Ramirez F9

Mid 10
Indians 3
Astros 3

Tom Servo · « **Reply #78 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:15:26 pm »

Good job, Osuna. Now can we score?

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #79 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:17:02 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on April 27, 2019, 06:15:26 pm

Good job, Osuna. Now can we score?

Let's start small.
Can Stassi get on base?

Tom Servo · « **Reply #80 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:18:39 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 06:17:02 pm

Let's start small.
Can Stassi get on base?

AJ must have though not.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #81 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:18:58 pm »

KEMP! give yourself a hug!!!

subnuclear · « **Reply #82 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:19:07 pm »

Kemp!

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #83 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:19:44 pm »

Bottom 10

Cimber (sidearming RHP) now pitching

Kemp hits for Stassi, HOMERS TO RF TO WIN IT!!!!

FINAL/10
Indians 3
Astros 4

astrojo · « **Reply #84 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:19:58 pm »

Someone give that man a HUG!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #85 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:20:01 pm »

Tony Kemp did what Tyler White wouldn't do.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #86 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:20:26 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on April 27, 2019, 06:18:39 pm

AJ must have though not.

AJ knew the answer to both questions!

Lefty · « **Reply #87 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:20:28 pm »

Personally, I have never doubted Tony Kemp.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #88 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:20:55 pm »

Kempin ain't easy!

MusicMan · « **Reply #89 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:24:36 pm »

Kemp over White by TKO

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MusicMan · « **Reply #90 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:26:02 pm »

Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 27, 2019, 06:03:41 pm

Man, Correa can flash some leather.

Amazing what happens with a healthy back.

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Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #91 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:30:05 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 27, 2019, 06:26:02 pm

Amazing what happens with a healthy back.

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The difference is night and day.

He is so, so good at baseball.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #92 on:** April 27, 2019, 07:39:01 pm »

Nice job by Osuna today.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #93 on:** April 27, 2019, 07:50:04 pm »

Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 27, 2019, 07:39:01 pm

Nice job by Osuna today.

He didn't get the memo about imploding in a non-save situation.

Peacock and Osuna were really good.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #94 on:** April 27, 2019, 08:33:40 pm »

Quote from: austro on April 27, 2019, 04:54:26 pm

That's kind of her mom's name (Julia). Baby's name is Naomi.

Almost forgot.

Happy Victory Birthday to Naomi Yuli Austro.

Hope she continues to bring joy and victories.

austro · « **Reply #95 on:** April 27, 2019, 08:40:27 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on April 27, 2019, 08:33:40 pm

Almost forgot.

Happy Victory Birthday to Naomi Yuli Austro.

Hope she continues to bring joy and victories.

Thanks to everybody for the good wishes! We're off to a good start!

JimR · « **Reply #96 on:** April 27, 2019, 09:05:08 pm »

Osuna is a machine.

MusicMan · « **Reply #97 on:** April 27, 2019, 09:22:27 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 27, 2019, 09:05:08 pm

Osuna is a machine.

I’m glad he’s pitching well. I wish I enjoyed it more.

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JimR · « **Reply #98 on:** April 27, 2019, 09:38:44 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 27, 2019, 09:22:27 pm

I’m glad he’s pitching well. I wish I enjoyed it more.

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Sorry you do not. You do not know what happened, yet you condemn. Doubt seriously you learned that at church.

chuck · « **Reply #99 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:02:39 am »

Quote from: JimR on April 27, 2019, 09:38:44 pm

Sorry you do not. You do not know what happened, yet you condemn. Doubt seriously you learned that at church.

Anyone who wants to know what happened knows. You don't know because you don't want to know.

subnuclear · « **Reply #100 on:** April 28, 2019, 09:08:33 am »

I just spent 10 minutes looking for new information on Osuna but didn't find any. What am I missing?

doyce7 · « **Reply #101 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:14:42 am »

Quote from: subnuclear on April 28, 2019, 09:08:33 am

I just spent 10 minutes looking for new information on Osuna but didn't find any. What am I missing?

You are not missing anything. There is no actual info. Just reports from random "reporters" who have secondary sources. The way the case was handled by the police and courts tell me that if anything happened, it was minor and probably only verbal.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #102 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:14:45 am »

Quote from: subnuclear on April 28, 2019, 09:08:33 am

I just spent 10 minutes looking for new information on Osuna but didn't find any. What am I missing?

No new information. But just because I forgive doesn’t mean I’ll enjoy watching him the same way I do many of these other players.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #103 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:15:43 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 28, 2019, 10:14:42 am

You are not missing anything. There is no actual info. Just reports from random "reporters" who have secondary sources. The way the case was handled by the police and courts tell me that if anything happened, it was minor and probably only verbal.

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The way he he agreed to a major suspension tells me it was much more than minor.

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doyce7 · « **Reply #104 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:20:55 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 28, 2019, 10:15:43 am

The way he he agreed to a major suspension tells me it was much more than minor.

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The Blue Jays were not going to play him. He had 2 options, fight the suspension, not play now and risk losing and missing 80 games later on or just accept it and focus on the legal part.

I read quite a bit about the case at the time from lawyers who understand Canadian law and the consensus that I found was that it was "likely a minor offense at most"

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JimR · « **Reply #105 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:24:16 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 28, 2019, 10:14:45 am

No new information. But just because I forgive doesn’t mean I’ll enjoy watching him the same way I do many of these other players.

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Fucking insane. Judge and jury, you and others. The facts/allegations were not disclosed. The woman wants him to parent their child. The prosecutors dismissed the charge, which they would not have done if the facts are egregious. I was foreman of two grand juries and learned, if I did not already know, not ever allegation is true. The Astros clubhouse would have reacted him if he were a bad person.

I do not know why I bother with Osuna threads. I am talking to all-knowing, holier than thou brick walls.

doyce7 · « **Reply #106 on:** April 28, 2019, 10:42:32 am »

Quote from: JimR on April 28, 2019, 10:24:16 am

Fucking insane. Judge and jury, you and others. The facts/allegations were not disclosed. The woman wants him to parent their child. The prosecutors dismissed the charge, which they would not have done if the facts are egregious. I was foreman of two grand juries and learned, if I did not already know, not ever allegation is true. The Astros clubhouse would have reacted him if he were a bad person.

I do not know why I bother with Osuna threads. I am talking to all-knowing, holier than thou brick walls.

In 2019, an accusation is as good as a conviction. Facts don't matter as much as outrage for outrage sake

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MusicMan · « **Reply #107 on:** April 28, 2019, 11:17:17 am »

Quote from: JimR on April 28, 2019, 10:24:16 am

I do not know why I bother with Osuna threads. I am talking to all-knowing, holier than thou brick walls.

Jim, I think we’ve known each other too long for you to believe this as a description of me.

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chuck · « **Reply #108 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:12:45 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 28, 2019, 10:14:42 am

You are not missing anything. There is no actual info. Just reports from random "reporters" who have secondary sources. The way the case was handled by the police and courts tell me that if anything happened, it was minor and probably only verbal.

Each of the points above is simply wrong.

doyce7 · « **Reply #109 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:13:27 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 28, 2019, 02:12:45 pm

Each of the points above is simply wrong.

Ok. Show me then

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chuck · « **Reply #110 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:23:57 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 28, 2019, 02:13:27 pm

Ok. Show me then

Find it yourself. I cared enough to do so, I found out what happened (which was very physical), and then the reporting that I'd found in the Canadian press was confirmed by sources close to the team.

I'm not interested in rehashing all of this, it just annoys me when people, you, in this latest instance, spout bullshit without having any real information at all. And everyone who runs around acting like it is unreasonable to be bothered by what Osuna did can go fuck themselves.

chuck · « **Reply #111 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:29:44 pm »

And another thing, the whole It can't have been bad because she still wants to be with him routine is so profoundly fucking ignorant and stupid that it makes my teeth hurt.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #112 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:42:58 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 28, 2019, 10:42:32 am

In 2019, an accusation is as good as a conviction. Facts don't matter as much as outrage for outrage sake

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This. And this is also a key point I make in my HS Government classes. “Everybody knows ...” is not proof.

doyce7 · « **Reply #113 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:43:17 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 28, 2019, 02:23:57 pm

Find it yourself. I cared enough to do so, I found out what happened (which was very physical), and then the reporting that I'd found in the Canadian press was confirmed by sources close to the team.

I'm not interested in rehashing all of this, it just annoys me when people, you, in this latest instance, spout bullshit without having any real information at all. And everyone who runs around acting like it is unreasonable to be bothered by what Osuna did can go fuck themselves.

"I found out what happened" "find it yourself" and then accuse me of "spoutting bullshit with no real information"

You are also providing zero information

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Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #114 on:** April 28, 2019, 03:39:13 pm »

Too me, Osuna will always be that guy who had domestic violence charges dropped because his spouse declined to testify. However, due to the ambiguity of the information available, I can not judge Osuna with certainty or conclusively. So I choose to let his behavior from here on help define who he is. Given a new opportunity, I hope he proves he is a good citizen and spouse. I support his efforts to improve as a person. And if you don't like that, you can go fuck yourself.

chuck · « **Reply #115 on:** April 28, 2019, 03:55:48 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 28, 2019, 02:43:17 pm

"I found out what happened" "find it yourself" and then accuse me of "spoutting bullshit with no real information"

You are also providing zero information

I and others have gently been telling you necks for months that we know what happened and that it was physical and that it was bad. You are very welcome to conclude whatever you like about what the consequences of that might and should be. Reasonable people can have very different opinions on that front.

But again, you have been told that it was physical and bad and you and others have decided to ignore that information and make up your own reality. That's fine too, I guess. People do it all the time. I have several sources close to the team, and what I'm told is told to me in confidence. Not all of it is explosive. Most of it is very routine. I knew about the Miley signing several weeks in advance of its announcement for example. If you want to know exactly what Osuna did, find the initial reports out of Canada that describe the incident and you will know the specifics, too. If you don't, don't. Take my word for what happened, or don't. But don't spout nonsense about No one knows what happened or It was probably not physical or whatever else has been said by ignorant abuse apologists and expect not to get corrected.

And by the way, Sphinx, I am all for forgiveness and redemption and so on, but for a father to learn that this had happened to their daughter and to immediately talk of forgiveness and second chances, well, that would be an extraordinary individual.

subnuclear · « **Reply #116 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:24:14 pm »

"Trust me I have inside sources" is not the information I was looking for. Thank you I will keep looking.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #117 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:59:58 pm »

Quote from: chuck on April 28, 2019, 03:55:48 pm

And by the way, Sphinx, I am all for forgiveness and redemption and so on, but for a father to learn that this had happened to their daughter and to immediately talk of forgiveness and second chances, well, that would be an extraordinary individual.

I understand and I wouldn't expect a father to be calm and rational in the aftermath of "this." Or a brother, or an uncle or grandparent. Though, I would hope they wouldn't do anything to make things worse.