Game of Thrones Season 8

[WVastro]

Winter is almost over but somehow winter is still coming. I can’t wait for some resolution (however slight it may be) to this decades long story.

I’ve organized a local watch party. Yeah, I’ve gone that far. Fuck it.

Any predictions?

[doyce7]

I'm trying to be excited for this season but all the sloppy writing and Hollywood feel to the last 3 seasons has me just ready for it to be over.

My prediction? Cerci sits on the throne at the end because the showrunners have a hard on for Lena Headey

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[HudsonHawk]

So I'm still working my way through Season 2.  So if you're gonna post spoilers, please give us a heads up beforehand.

[drew corleone]

Since Texas appears NIT-bound, and my interest in college hoops is fairly tepid to begin with, I am going to put together a GOT Death Pool with some friends instead.

[MusicMan]

So I'm still working my way through Season 2.  So if you're gonna post spoilers, please give us a heads up beforehand.

Season 3: SHIT. GETS. REAL.


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[Lefty]

Since Texas appears NIT-bound, and my interest in college hoops is fairly tepid to begin with, I am going to put together a GOT Death Pool with some friends instead.

Appears? 

Let us know what your pool is...  The only reason I really watch college hoops is the tourney and rooting for the small schools.

[Waldo]

So I'm still working my way through Season 2.  So if you're gonna post spoilers, please give us a heads up beforehand.

Spoiler alert: everybody dies.

[Navin R Johnson]

Since Texas appears NIT-bound, and my interest in college hoops is fairly tepid to begin with, I am going to put together a GOT Death Pool with some friends instead.

Ive run one the last 2 years, its a lot of fun to be a part of.  Had 47 people in it for Season 7.  Probably be in the 60s this season.  We did $20 an entry.  Here is a link to the final scores if you are interested.   And if anyone here is interested in joining just email goftdeathpool @ gmail dot com

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KHrSwIr98mZgGiaR7xmJJZ9FKPXPfy8JR2CKwc6eMXI/edit#gid=1070022118

[Bench]

Ive run one the last 2 years, its a lot of fun to be a part of.  Had 47 people in it for Season 7.  Probably be in the 60s this season.  We did $20 an entry.  Here is a link to the final scores if you are interested.   And if anyone here is interested in joining just email goftdeathpool @ gmail dot com

(dont click this HH)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KHrSwIr98mZgGiaR7xmJJZ9FKPXPfy8JR2CKwc6eMXI/edit#gid=1070022118

How do you assign the character points?

[Navin R Johnson]

The less a character is picked, the more points they are worth.

Scoring is based on % of people who selected the character who dies.
10 points per death, multiplied by the % bonus.
Scoring example:
(If there are 10 people in the death pool)
7 people select character X, who dies. 10 points times 30% multiplier = 300 points
2 pick character y  who dies: 10 points plus 80 point multiplier = 800 points

[Bench]

The less a character is picked, the more points they are worth.

Scoring is based on % of people who selected the character who dies.
10 points per death, multiplied by the % bonus.
Scoring example:
(If there are 10 people in the death pool)
7 people select character X, who dies. 10 points times 30% multiplier = 300 points
2 pick character y  who dies: 10 points plus 80 point multiplier = 800 points

That's awesome.

[Lefty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDC3TQ2lLM

[subnuclear]

Season 7 was really awful and everything good about the show is long gone. I'm still going to watch it I guess.

[doyce7]

Season 7 was really awful and everything good about the show is long gone. I'm still going to watch it I guess.

I'm of the opinion that after season 4, it's not been a very good show. My (future)wife and I have been rewatching the other seasons to prep and I couldn't get through season 5, I told her to let me know when she gets to season 6 and I'll try again.

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[MusicMan]

I'm of the opinion that after season 4, it's not been a very good show. My (future)wife and I have been rewatching the other seasons to prep and I couldn't get through season 5, I told her to let me know when she gets to season 6 and I'll try again.

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Season 5 is no doubt the nadir. Season 6 is outstanding, and I found the highs of season 7 outweighed the lows - but it was definitely uneven.


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[WVastro]

Season 5 is no doubt the nadir. Season 6 is outstanding, and I found the highs of season 7 outweighed the lows - but it was definitely uneven.


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I had plenty of problems with season 5 (including other episodes throughout the series - but that’s to be expected with so many different directors) and was often frustrated week to week with what was going on but... if I might suggest, try picking out 6-10 of the key episodes (Red Wedding, Blackwater, Battle of the Bastards, etc.) to get back in the flow. Rewatching those episodes has been a blast and I’ve been able to fill in most of the blank spots at the same time. I think this last season will be memorable.

Eta:

Also, it’s amazing how much crazy shit happens under the radar in those keystone episodes. You watch them for the first time and obsess about the major players that just bit the bullet and after a rewatch there’s some seriously major “other shit” that goes down.

[Mike S.]

Awesome thread.  I'll echo MusicMan's comments about season 7 and WVastro's take on how much else is going on in each episode.  The number of proverbial Easter Eggs is crazy.

For myself, I found season 2 to be a slog.  That may be due to how much I know is left of the series and how much further the story develops.  I will say that the intricacy to GoT (books and television series) is incredible.

[subnuclear]

I liked the slow pace and multi-episode dialogues of the first seasons. You need time to set expectations if you want to subvert them.

Also, GoT, amongst other things, is really creepy, disturbing and full of bad morals. Season 7 really moved away from that direction and became much more conventional, so it's quite a different show. Maybe it's good thing, but not as "unique".

Anyway, I think (like a lot of internet people) Sansa gets the throne. 

[MusicMan]

I liked the slow pace and multi-episode dialogues of the first seasons. You need time to set expectations if you want to subvert them.

Also, GoT, amongst other things, is really creepy, disturbing and full of bad morals. Season 7 really moved away from that direction and became much more conventional, so it's quite a different show. Maybe it's good thing, but not as "unique".

Anyway, I think (like a lot of internet people) Sansa gets the throne.

I disagree. “A Song of Ice and Fire” pretty clearly refers to SPOILER REDACTED at this point and I feel sure he takes the throne.


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[MusicMan]

Also, I would pay good money for a version of the series that skips every single Theon scene.


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[WVastro]

Also, I would pay good money for a version of the series that skips every single Theon scene.


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Do you mean Euron? I find the actor that plays Theon to be quite talented and the charecter to be properly nuanced. However, regarding Euron... not so much on either point.

[Bench]

Do you mean Euron? I find the actor that plays Theon to be quite talented and the charecter to be properly nuanced. However, regarding Euron... not so much on either point.

True but Theon sucks.

[subnuclear]

Theon is a great idea for a character though and the first scene with his sister is an immortal classic, but they sort of wrote his story line into the abyss.

[subnuclear]

Ok, this last season is going to be good. Just a got a little grumpy with the two year wait.

[MusicMan]

Ok, this last season is going to be good. Just a got a little grumpy with the two year wait.

Just the incredible new credits had me literally bouncing in my seat.


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[WVastro]

Episode 2 was a good one. Personally I feel like they have the show right where they want it and are ready to blow us away.

I appreciated the (likely) last bit of true character bonding before the dragon shit hits the fan.  It was funny and impactful while still honoring the books. Well done.

Buckle up, buttercup.   

[doyce7]

Episode 2 was a good one. Personally I feel like they have the show right where they want it and are ready to blow us away.

I appreciated the (likely) last bit of true character bonding before the dragon shit hits the fan.  It was funny and impactful while still honoring the books. Well done.

Buckle up, buttercup.

For the first time in a while, a long While, the positives far outweighed the negatives in this episode. Not just how it looked and such but the writing was actually pretty decent for the most part. Definitely an improvement and now I actually am excited about GoT for the first time since they caught up to the books.

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[MusicMan]

I absolutely loved the episode.

My only note is that HBO’s announcement of “btw, Arya is 18” served to remind us that the show has never given any frame of reference for how much time passes.


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[doyce7]

I absolutely loved the episode.

My only note is that HBO’s announcement of “btw, Arya is 18” served to remind us that the show has never given any frame of reference for how much time passes.


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Baby Sam was a baby for about 3 seasons but Arya has aged about 8 years over the seasons. How does this not make sense?

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[HudsonHawk]

Baby Sam was a baby for about 3 seasons but Arya has aged about 8 years over the seasons. How does this not make sense?

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I'm in the middle of Season 4, and in the storyline, it seems like it's been about 4 months of time that has passed since the first episode of Season 1, and about three weeks since Season 2.  I had assumed that in the story, Arya is supposed to be about 12 right now, so the story has to progress about six years in the next two seasons or the timeline is completely whacked. 

[doyce7]

I'm in the middle of Season 4, and in the storyline, it seems like it's been about 4 months of time that has passed since the first episode of Season 1, and about three weeks since Season 2.  I had assumed that in the story, Arya is supposed to be about 12 right now, so the story has to progress about six years in the next two seasons or the timeline is completely whacked.

Time is an illusion in the show. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody notices. The first 4 seasons were easy because they had the books to go by. The books take place over the course of about 2 years if I'm not mistaken but Martin doesn't really do timelines either, so who knows?

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[Lefty]

Time is an illusion in the show. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody notices. The first 4 seasons were easy because they had the books to go by. The books take place over the course of about 2 years if I'm not mistaken but Martin doesn't really do timelines either, so who knows?

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Filming a show over, what, 10 years using child actors would probably screw up your timeline, for sure.  They've admitted as much in the past, that people shouldn't pay too much attention to things like travel times from place to place and whatnot.

[doyce7]

Filming a show over, what, 10 years using child actors would probably screw up your timeline, for sure.  They've admitted as much in the past, that people shouldn't pay too much attention to things like travel times from place to place and whatnot.

Yeah, I know. I fully admit that I'm pretty biased when it comes to the show because I love the books so much and credit the books for awaking my love of reading. I just would like for the aging to be at least somewhat consistent for the characters. The ages all have to be older for the show and I'm perfectly fine with that but having a literal new born for such a long stretch, while other characters get older just makes you scratch your head, no?

I'm trying really hard to make sure my "book goggles" stay off this season

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[subnuclear]

The HBO writers don't care about your stupid timelines.

I liked this episode well enough, but it's basically a sitcom with all the characters coming in and out and telling jokes. Someone needs to do something totally evil ASAP (and not just the Night King or Cersei!).

[drew corleone]

The other wrench in timelines of books v. show is that everyone on the show started off several years older than in the books. Dany was something like 13 in the books when it started. Jon Snow was 14 or 15, I think.

[Waldo]

The other wrench in timelines of books v. show is that everyone on the show started off several years older than in the books. Dany was something like 13 in the books when it started. Jon Snow was 14 or 15, I think.

Maybe they didn't want to depict a brother grabbing his 13-year-old sister's boob within the first couple of episodes?

[Limey]

Maybe they didn't want to depict a brother grabbing his 13-year-old sister's boob within the first couple of episodes?

Please.  It's Westeros, not Tennessee.

[MusicMan]

Please.  It's Westeros, not Tennessee.

Forget it, Ray. It’s Oldtown.


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[subnuclear]

For some reason, I just realized there are only 4 more episodes. Big character bloodbath ahead I guess. 

[MusicMan]

For some reason, I just realized there are only 4 more episodes. Big character bloodbath ahead I guess.

Grey Worm and Brienne all but certain this week. Jorah, Tormund, Edd, Beric highly likely.


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[Bench]

Grey Worm and Brienne all but certain this week. Jorah, Tormund, Edd, Beric highly likely.

It's a show that constantly defies expectations!

[subnuclear]

Epic stuff, though a little more Hollywood and little less Martin.

[MusicMan]

It's a show that constantly defies expectations!

Look, I’m batting .500.


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[drew corleone]

The opinions on last night's episode appear to lean negative, and I get why, but I think it fit in with the show's general feel in a post-source material era. Benioff & Weiss have not shown that they have great storytelling chops - nor are they particularly strong writing dialogue - so the show works best as a spectacle, and in highlighting  individual character moments.

The spectacle was a bit muddied at time with the prevailing darkness, but the moments abounded:

Melisandre's fiery touch and the Dothraki Screamers charging into the darkness
Lyanna Mormont bringing down a giant
Sansa and Tyrion's shared hopelessness when all looked lost
Theon's and Jorah's deaths
Arya ninja-ing her way to the Night King

Some of it was silly, and at least 3-4 characters lived when they should have died, but it kept me on edge for the full 80+ minutes, and with both the music and several of the standout acting performances, I was satisfied.

Now what? A couple hundred survivors and two banged-up dragons are going to take down Cersei? That's a lot of plot armor.

[Bench]

The opinions on last night's episode appear to lean negative, and I get why, but I think it fit in with the show's general feel in a post-source material era. Benioff & Weiss have not shown that they have great storytelling chops - nor are they particularly strong writing dialogue - so the show works best as a spectacle, and in highlighting  individual character moments.

The spectacle was a bit muddied at time with the prevailing darkness, but the moments abounded:

Melisandre's fiery touch and the Dothraki Screamers charging into the darkness
Lyanna Mormont bringing down a giant
Sansa and Tyrion's shared hopelessness when all looked lost
Theon's and Jorah's deaths
Arya ninja-ing her way to the Night King

Some of it was silly, and at least 3-4 characters lived when they should have died, but it kept me on edge for the full 80+ minutes, and with both the music and several of the standout acting performances, I was satisfied.

Now what? A couple hundred survivors and two banged-up dragons are going to take down Cersei? That's a lot of plot armor.

It's hard for a swift conclusion to a decade of buildup to not feel underwhelming.  The parts of the episode that I could actually see were all enjoyable and suspenseful. The whole fighting retreat through the rooms of Winterfell was terrific. 

They better send whatever troops that are still alive to Moat Cailin ASAP.

[doyce7]

Finally got the see the episode... honestly I was laughing the absurdity of what happens. All over the place, just awful. I tried to like this episode, I wanted to like this episode.

Was Jorah outside the walls the whole time just waiting for Dany? It appears that every extra is dead, but about 2 or 3 named characters died? Arya gets past thousands of undead and about 15 Whites with none of them seeing her? Where did all the undead that surrounded Dany go when she fell off Drogon? What about all the undead who were literally less than 2 fucking feet from Jon on all sides, next time we see him  they are all in front of him. I plan on watching it again and taking notes, I bet I'll have 20+ "that makes no fucking sense" moments. God I use to love this show but that may be my least favorite episode outside of the shitiness that was season 5

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[subnuclear]

Finally got the see the episode... honestly I was laughing the absurdity of what happens. All over the place, just awful. I tried to like this episode, I wanted to like this episode.

Was Jorah outside the walls the whole time just waiting for Dany? It appears that every extra is dead, but about 2 or 3 named characters died? Arya gets past thousands of undead and about 15 Whites with none of them seeing her? Where did all the undead that surrounded Dany go when she fell off Drogon? What about all the undead who were literally less than 2 fucking feet from Jon on all sides, next time we see him  they are all in front of him. I plan on watching it again and taking notes, I bet I'll have 20+ "that makes no fucking sense" moments. God I use to love this show but that may be my least favorite episode outside of the shitiness that was season 5

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I don't disagree with this view. I still it enjoyed it while I watched it though.

[Bench]

I don't disagree with this view. I still it enjoyed it while I watched it though.

That's where I end up as well.

[Waldo]

Finally got the see the episode... honestly I was laughing the absurdity of what happens. All over the place, just awful. I tried to like this episode, I wanted to like this episode.

Was Jorah outside the walls the whole time just waiting for Dany? It appears that every extra is dead, but about 2 or 3 named characters died? Arya gets past thousands of undead and about 15 Whites with none of them seeing her? Where did all the undead that surrounded Dany go when she fell off Drogon? What about all the undead who were literally less than 2 fucking feet from Jon on all sides, next time we see him  they are all in front of him. I plan on watching it again and taking notes, I bet I'll have 20+ "that makes no fucking sense" moments. God I use to love this show but that may be my least favorite episode outside of the shitiness that was season 5

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Glad I'm not the only one.  The depiction of the battle is a technical masterpiece, but story-wise it was barely plausible.

[MusicMan]

I feel like I did myself a disservice watching this and Endgame in the same day, because GOT really paled by comparison.



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[MRaup]

I feel like I did myself a disservice watching this and Endgame in the same day, because GOT really paled by comparison.



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I haven't seen Endgame yet and I thought the episode was pretty fucking meh.

[doyce7]

I haven't seen Endgame yet and I thought the episode was pretty fucking meh.

If anybody still thought we weren't getting a Hollywood ending, this episode shattered that. Virtually nobody died. The ending George RR Martin always dreamed of, because he just loves when all the main characters live at the end.

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[doyce7]

Goddamn. If there weren't only 2 episodes left, I'd quit watching at this point. The last vestiges of this show being good are only a memory. That was fucking awful.

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[MusicMan]

Goddamn. If there weren't only 2 episodes left, I'd quit watching at this point. The last vestiges of this show being good are only a memory. That was fucking awful.

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To each their own. I loved it.


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[Bench]

To each their own. I loved it.

People making dumb decisions that backfire spectacularly is a pretty basic aspect of the human condition, and a central theme of the show.  Or are people whining about logistics again?

[MusicMan]

People making dumb decisions that backfire spectacularly is a pretty basic aspect of the human condition, and a central theme of the show.  Or are people whining about logistics again?

Season 3 is often cited as the show’s high point.

Remember all those good decisions that Robb made in Season 3?


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[Lefty]

Season 3 is often cited as the show’s high point.

Remember all those good decisions that Robb made in Season 3?


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My biggest gripe was Surprise! Euron and his Invisible Fleet once again resetting the gamepieces out of nowhere.

[subnuclear]

Or are people whining about logistics again?

I am whining about logistics again at least! Maybe if they took their time to show up at King's landing they would have remembered the big crossbows from the last battles they had with them.

[doyce7]

My biggest gripe was Surprise! Euron and his Invisible Fleet once again resetting the gamepieces out of nowhere.

Those scorpions are something else. Not only did they take down a dragon from a really far distance with perfect accuracy but they also obliterated Dany's fleet. Because apparently scorpions are better at destroying boats than cannons, or maybe Dany's boats are made out of plywood.

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[Jacksonian]

The only thing I know about the show is that apparently there is a Starbucks on every corner both in reality and fiction.

[Limey]

The only thing I know about the show is that apparently there is a Starbucks on every corner both in reality and fiction.

There's two, at the end of the universe.

[Bench]

My biggest gripe was Surprise! Euron and his Invisible Fleet once again resetting the gamepieces out of nowhere.

His character should be renamed to plot device.

[subnuclear]

There's two, at the end of the universe.

My father points out there were at one time three at that intersection (there's one in the B&N there).

[Limey]

My father points out there were at one time three at that intersection (there's one in the B&N there).

Yep.

[subnuclear]

Oh fine I guess that was ok.

[MusicMan]

Oh fine I guess that was ok.

See, that’s the funny thing. I’ve been all on board until now and found that episode almost completely irredeemable.


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[doyce7]

I'm sorry to anybody that thinks this season has been any good but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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[subnuclear]

Lots about the show is silly, but the Jon Snow dilemma is interesting to me.

[Waldo]

So last week, Daenerys's fleet can't see the Iron Fleet right on their flank and the scorpion crossbows take down a dragon from long range.  This week, the entire King's Landing forces never, I dunno, turned around? and not one of about 40+ scorpions can't land a single hit in CQB.

The sheer amount of deus ex machina being employed in wrapping up this series is maddening.

Like the Battle of Winterfell, another technical masterpiece depicting shitty storytelling.

[Bench]

So last week, Daenerys's fleet can't see the Iron Fleet right on their flank and the scorpion crossbows take down a dragon from long range.  This week, the entire King's Landing forces never, I dunno, turned around? and not one of about 40+ scorpions can't land a single hit in CQB.

The sheer amount of deus ex machina being employed in wrapping up this series is maddening.

Like the Battle of Winterfell, another technical masterpiece depicting shitty storytelling.

I suppose the difference is the power of the element of surprise + Rheagal being seriously injured before hand.

But yeah, that was a lot easier than it should have been and/or it is so stupid that they didn't take out the Lannister forces (while not massacring everyone) back when they had three dragons. I guess that is Dany's whole point. The mad queen bit was certainly telegraphed but it felt very reductive in execution.

The Goldon Company being a popcorn fart and Euron's dispatch were both funny to me. The whole Jaime character arc was thoroughly abused in the last episode and a quarter.

[MusicMan]

So last week, Daenerys's fleet can't see the Iron Fleet right on their flank and the scorpion crossbows take down a dragon from long range.  This week, the entire King's Landing forces never, I dunno, turned around? and not one of about 40+ scorpions can't land a single hit in CQB.

The sheer amount of deus ex machina being employed in wrapping up this series is maddening.

Like the Battle of Winterfell, another technical masterpiece depicting shitty storytelling.

That two days she wouldn’t eat or talk to anyone? (You know, like Varys told us right before Tyrion just waltzed in to start a conversation?)

She was playing Dragon Flight Simulator the whole time.


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[Craig]

That two days she wouldn’t eat or talk to anyone? (You know, like Varys told us right before Tyrion just waltzed in to start a conversation?)

She was playing Dragon Flight Simulator the whole time.


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With the unlimited ammo cheat. Seriously, how much fire can one dragon breathe? Don't they have to catch their breath and reload at some point?

[doyce7]

Well, it's over.

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[subnuclear]

Well, it's over.

People are talking about spin-offs right?

Anyway, I thought it wrapped up about as well as it could.

[doyce7]

People are talking about spin-offs right?

Anyway, I thought it wrapped up about as well as it could.

There's a long night prequel that is happening and a few others being written.

I would like a blackfyre rebellion series, would be fun.

The only thing I'm gonna say about the ending is, I can't wait to hopefully, some day, read the real ending.

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[HudsonHawk]

Here's my review:

Shit sandwich.


At least they cured me from wanting to watch Seasons 5-8.  That's time I never would have gotten back.

[Bench]

Lost's ending was more sensical and satisfying.

[drew corleone]

I was fine with it.

[moriartp]

Lost's ending was more sensical and satisfying.

I wouldn’t go that far, but this sure was a turd.

[Navin R Johnson]

So as I posted, I run a GO TDeathpool.  One of the bonus questions was “Who wins the Iron Throne”

Curious to hear what y’all thoughts are to the answer to that.  Nobody is an option.

[moriartp]

Bran and nobody are both correct answers, IMO. I’d give credit to anyone who guessed either.

[HudsonHawk]

Lost's ending was more sensical and satisfying.

Well, it's not supposed to make sense.  Arya went from being 10 years old to 18 (we swear she's 18), Bran went from 12 to 35, baby Sam went from 2-week old infant to a 2-month old infant, none of the other characters aged at all...all in the span of about 3 months.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

I would argue that Dany won it and was the last to occupy it. The next king was king of a different thing.

[homer]

I would argue that Dany won it and was the last to occupy it. The next king was king of a different thing.

She never sat in it.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

She never sat in it.

No, but she owned it. It was hers.

[MRaup]

An interesting look in to WHY Season 8 sucked on ice (and fire): https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1

[Knoxbanedoodle]

An interesting look in to WHY Season 8 sucked on ice (and fire): https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/?redirect=1

Very cool. Thanks for the share.