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« on: October 23, 2018, 07:15:45 pm »
I want the road team to win every game.

At least thru game 6.


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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2018, 07:27:01 pm »
That truly is the best scenario among zero good ones.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2018, 07:29:52 pm »
Blosox cooking already.

Single,  SB, rbi single/runner takes second on throw (review pending at 2nd).

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 07:49:10 pm »
I don't care, I hate both teams equally. But I like watching baseball so I might check out a few games. Not tonight though. I found more interesting things to do.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 09:01:34 pm »
Leadoff walk in the 5th chases Sale with a 3-2 lead.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 09:51:18 pm »
Boston gave up a run in the top of the 5th.

In the bottom,  Kershaw probably gets screwed on a chopper over the 3B bag called foul.  Batter walks. Dave Roberts excitedly makes his first pitching change.  Boston loads them up, a FC (nearly a dp) and a single make it 5-3.


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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 06:15:17 am »
My white-hot hate has not fired it's most intense upon the team from Boston yet. It rages with blistering torridity for the LA fuck-faces. I hope they lose every game.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 01:09:26 pm »
My white-hot hate has not fired it's most intense upon the team from Boston yet. It rages with blistering torridity for the LA fuck-faces. I hope they lose every game.

I didn't care who wins.  I wanted a sweep so that we can get on with the void.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 01:13:57 pm »
Yeah, baseball ended last week.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2018, 07:10:22 pm »
Dodgers' defense last night sealed the deal for me. I can't possibly root for such an inept team, especially when that same team employs Joc Pedersen and formerly employed Tommy LaSorda.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2018, 08:47:01 pm »
Dodgers' defense last night sealed the deal for me. I can't possibly root for such an inept team, especially when that same team employs Joc Pedersen and formerly employed Tommy LaSorda.

Freese was a butcher in the 2011 WS. 

That first inning foul ball gaffe last night was lame.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2018, 09:15:35 pm »
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-dodgers-world-series-game-2-features-a-mesmerizing-baseball-nutmeg/

5th inning, Ryu leaves after loading the bases.

Madson then walks in a run to tie the game,  then gives up a2 run single to right.

That makes 35 of 67 postseason Boston runs scored with 2 outs.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2018, 09:39:52 pm »
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-dodgers-world-series-game-2-features-a-mesmerizing-baseball-nutmeg/

5th inning, Ryu leaves after loading the bases.

Madson then walks in a run to tie the game,  then gives up a2 run single to right.

That makes 35 of 67 postseason Boston runs scored with 2 outs.

The way Machado gloved that throw as if it were nothing special after it went through the runner's legs was impressive.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2018, 10:06:37 pm »
I'm perfectly happy to admit that all year Boston has fielded a superior team. But I don't know, the Dodgers puzzle me. They just don't seem all that great in any aspect of the game, and every time I watch them they seem unreasonably sloppy.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2018, 10:28:53 pm »
I'm perfectly happy to admit that all year Boston has fielded a superior team. But I don't know, the Dodgers puzzle me. They just don't seem all that great in any aspect of the game, and every time I watch them they seem unreasonably sloppy.

Pretty apt description.

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2018, 09:38:56 am »
I'm perfectly happy to admit that all year Boston has fielded a superior team. But I don't know, the Dodgers puzzle me. They just don't seem all that great in any aspect of the game, and every time I watch them they seem unreasonably sloppy.

Clearly, the AL is superior to the NL because, watching the Dodgers and Brewers, it’s hard to see either of them beating the Sox, Astros or Yankees. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2018, 09:49:39 am »
Clearly, the AL is superior to the NL because, watching the Dodgers and Brewers, it’s hard to see either of them beating the Sox, Astros or Yankees.

Agreed.

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2018, 01:36:02 pm »
Clearly, the AL is superior to the NL because, watching the Dodgers and Brewers, it’s hard to see either of them beating the Sox, Astros or Yankees.

It appears that Roberts, like Hinch, is also going to experience watching the Red Sox celebrate on his home turf.
The only question may be whether the Astros will have done more damage than the Dodgers.
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2018, 02:53:46 pm »
Boston is a really good team playing really good baseball at the most important time they possibly could.

They're as impressive as their fans are insufferable.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2018, 04:26:06 pm »
Boston is a really good team playing really good baseball at the most important time they possibly could.

They're as impressive as their fans are insufferable.
If they are insufferable now, just wait until they are WS Champs.....
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2018, 04:28:40 pm »
If they are insufferable now, just wait until they are WS Champs.....

They're equally insufferable regardless of the situation, which is one reason it doesn't bother me all that much that they're going to win.
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2018, 12:49:29 am »
Game 3 is never going to end.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2018, 12:51:32 am »
Buck doesn't know the rules of baseball

Kinsler's error with two out in the 13th allows the tying run to score.

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2018, 05:23:59 am »
I lasted thru the 11th.

What a game.

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2018, 05:43:45 am »
Both teams had errors that allow a run in the 13th.

9 pitchers for both teams.

Kershaw had an AB, but didn't pitch.

Looks like only Hill and Ryu didn't participate for the Dodgers.

Can't tell who sat out for the Red Sox because the At Bat boxscore currently has the LA roster listed under Boston's bench.  Whoever is in charge of that probably feel asleep face first on his keyboard.

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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2018, 07:25:47 am »
Games last too long.
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2018, 08:40:21 am »
Both teams had errors that allow a run in the 13th.

9 pitchers for both teams.

Kershaw had an AB, but didn't pitch.

Looks like only Hill and Ryu didn't participate for the Dodgers.

Can't tell who sat out for the Red Sox because the At Bat boxscore currently has the LA roster listed under Boston's bench.  Whoever is in charge of that probably feel asleep face first on his keyboard.

Red Sox used all but Sale and Pomeranz (was warming in 18th)

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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2018, 08:58:03 am »
Games last too long.

I read that that game was longer than the 1939 World Series.

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2018, 09:23:13 am »
I read that that game was longer than the 1939 World Series.
I thought you were kidding until I hopped on twitter.

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2018, 09:44:18 am »
I thought you were kidding until I hopped on twitter.

Same with me. Then I went to baseball-reference.com and discovered that the four games in the '39 Series took just over 7 hours.
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2018, 11:23:00 am »
Same with me. Then I went to baseball-reference.com and discovered that the four games in the '39 Series took just over 7 hours.

"Progress." Giant LED screens and velcro and next thing you know people want to start sticking runners on base to start innings.

I watched the whole thing. Not sure why.
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2018, 11:36:08 am »
"Progress." Giant LED screens and velcro and next thing you know people want to start sticking runners on base to start innings.

I watched the whole thing. Not sure why.

It was a good baseball game.  I'm not sure why people want, let alone expect, 18 innings of baseball to only take an hour and a half.  You basically got two 1-run World Series games last night.  I thought it was awesome.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2018, 11:44:10 am »
It was a good baseball game.  I'm not sure why people want, let alone expect, 18 innings of baseball to only take an hour and a half.  You basically got two 1-run World Series games last night.  I thought it was awesome.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2018, 11:52:13 am »
It was a good baseball game.  I'm not sure why people want, let alone expect, 18 innings of baseball to only take an hour and a half.  You basically got two 1-run World Series games last night.  I thought it was awesome.

I am on record as not caring at all how long games last and completely opposed to these idiotic gimmicks designed to make it appear that game times are being contracted somehow.

I'm not sure why I watched to the end simply because I don't care who wins and I could watch the game any time I want. It didn't have to be three in the morning.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2018, 12:43:25 pm »
They should do it like the college game: both teams get the ball on the 25 then shoot free throws until someone misses.


That game just night illustrates why people shouldn't try to fuck with baseball. 

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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2018, 12:50:59 pm »
They should do it like the college game: both teams get the ball on the 25 then shoot free throws until someone misses.


That game just night illustrates why people shouldn't try to fuck with baseball.
After the 9th inning you have a homerun contest between coaching staffs

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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2018, 01:10:59 pm »
After the 9th inning you have a homerun contest between coaching staffs

If nobody homers in three tries, you move out to the pitcher's mound and hit from there. No homers from there? You move out to 2nd base.
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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2018, 01:11:32 pm »
After reviewing the game story, I realized I missed seeing Roberts overmanage again and JBJ coming up with a big HR when needed. Seen all that before, wasn't that great the first time.
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2018, 03:08:08 pm »
Mascot race. Fuck me, do I have to think of everything around here?
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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2018, 07:56:18 pm »
Rich Hill just drilled the Sox starting pitcher.  A Dodger is going to get dotted before tonight's over. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2018, 08:47:50 pm »
I hope this game goes 17 innings and both teams have no idea who starts or relieves  tomorrow. I want to see JD and Joc P be the pitchers of record.

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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2018, 08:51:00 pm »
I want to see Joc P serve as the doormat  at a golf club.
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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2018, 09:14:11 pm »
Ooops. Everybody's favorite asshole -- Puig -- goes deep.
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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2018, 09:35:15 pm »
I want to see Joc P serve as the doormat  at a golf club.

If there is anyone who can replace Ryan Braun as the biggest dick in baseball, it's Peterson.
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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2018, 09:44:53 pm »
Ryan Madson is not a dependable reliever.
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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2018, 10:05:01 pm »
Ryan Madson is not a dependable reliever.

Neither is Jansen.
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« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2018, 10:08:02 pm »
You can depend on them to give up runs.

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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2018, 10:44:06 pm »
Dodger pen is a fucking train wreck.
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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2018, 10:47:48 pm »
Dodger pen is a fucking train wreck.

A train carrying toxic waste.

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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2018, 10:58:40 pm »
This Red Sox catcher is a fucking butcher.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2018, 11:09:05 pm »
Wonder if Eric Gange thinks Kimbrel is doing his pitches again.


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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2018, 11:11:41 pm »
What Puig, not gonna kiss your biceps now?  You miserable fuck.
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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2018, 07:26:48 pm »
Sox jump out to a 2-0 lead on a home run by a former Astro. No, not that one, the other one.
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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2018, 07:28:49 pm »
I doubt that the Red Sox feel very comfortable with Price out there.
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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2018, 07:29:39 pm »
I doubt that the Red Sox feel very comfortable with Price out there.

Well, he’s thrown one pitch and only given up one run...
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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2018, 07:57:02 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2018, 08:17:14 pm »
RF stands there with his hands in the air and the ball lands 10 feet behind him and it's a triple.
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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2018, 09:16:05 pm »
Longball gonna bury Kershaw and the Dodgers.

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« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2018, 09:19:12 pm »
If you listen to Rich Hill, he's the most put-upon guy baseball.

That story reeked to high heaven. I call BS.

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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2018, 09:25:49 pm »
If this holds up... does Price get consideration for WS MVP?

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« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2018, 09:30:55 pm »
If this holds up... does Price get consideration for WS MVP?

He would from me.

Although it's chickenshit to woof on the mound after your last plate appearances.

Then again Puig and Machado lead the universe in chickenshit.

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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2018, 09:36:05 pm »
Pearce or Price.

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« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2018, 09:37:59 pm »
Fuckin' Redsox are pretty fuckin' good.
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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2018, 09:40:36 pm »
Fuckin' Redsox are pretty fuckin' good.

This should be the title to the WS video.

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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2018, 10:20:45 pm »
Red Sox win.

Fuck you Joc Pedersen. Fuck you Puig. Fuck you Machado.
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« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2018, 11:29:41 pm »
Red Sox win.

Fuck you Joc Pedersen. Fuck you Puig. Fuck you Machado.

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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2018, 10:23:25 am »
Don’t forget Kike.

Yeah, don't want to forget him. 

There are some good guys on that team.  Clayton Kershaw is a prince of a guy, I feel for him.  But fuck the Dodgers. 
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Re: Giants fans trolling Dojers fans
« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2018, 11:07:24 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/san-francisco-giants-fans-ruthlessly-154353822.html

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Having lived in NorCal for seven years and following the Giants very closely, the hatred between Giants fans and Dojers fans is deep seated and a thing to behold. Violence is not unusual, and these teams' fans travel.
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« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2018, 12:29:09 pm »
Having lived in NorCal for seven years and following the Giants very closely, the hatred between Giants fans and Dojers fans is deep seated and a thing to behold. Violence is not unusual, and these teams' fans travel.

And it goes way beyond NorCal/Socal.  It's a Brooklyn v. Manhattan thing from the dawn of baseball history. 
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« Reply #72 on: October 30, 2018, 12:59:48 pm »
Having lived in NorCal for seven years and following the Giants very closely, the hatred between Giants fans and Dojers fans is deep seated and a thing to behold. Violence is not unusual, and these teams' fans travel.

I would think your post somewhat hyperbolic but I recall a few years ago some serious head- injury inflicted on a fan of one of the teams by a punk, or punks, claiming to being fans of the other.

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« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2018, 01:03:09 pm »
I would think your post somewhat hyperbolic but I recall a few years ago some serious head- injury inflicted on a fan of one of the teams by a punk, or punks, claiming to being fans of the other.

Not hyperbolic at all.
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« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2018, 01:23:56 pm »
I would think your post somewhat hyperbolic but I recall a few years ago some serious head- injury inflicted on a fan of one of the teams by a punk, or punks, claiming to being fans of the other.

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« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2018, 01:29:55 pm »
Giants, Dodgers shocked over stabbing death of fan

It was the Stowe incident I vaguely recalled. Man, that is bad shit.

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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2018, 04:57:32 pm »
Ask John Roseboro.
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« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2018, 06:59:49 pm »
And it goes way beyond NorCal/Socal.  It's a Brooklyn v. Manhattan thing from the dawn of baseball history.
Exactly.  And note the Roseboro reference earlier in the thread.
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« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2018, 07:47:39 pm »
Ask John Roseboro.

This insight was shared in John Roseboro's obit:
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.....'Our friendship is very good,'' Marichal said in 1990, on the 25th anniversary of the bat attack.

Roseboro told The Los Angeles Times on that occasion that he had begun speaking to Marichal in the early 1980's because he felt the violent episode was keeping Marichal -- a winner of 243 games -- out of the Hall of Fame unjustly.

''There were no hard feelings on my part, and I thought if that was made public, people would believe that this was really over with,'' Roseboro said. ''So I saw him at a Dodger old-timers' game and we posed for pictures together and I actually visited him in the Dominican. The next year, he was in the Hall of Fame.

''Hey, over the years you learn to forget things.''
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