Author Topic: Joe West is a Dumbass (Read 5017 times)

Nate Colbert · « **on:** October 17, 2018, 08:28:31 pm »

Originally posted in the GZ but am putting it here given the controversy this call will cause for years...

Evan Drellich @EvanDrellich 14 minutes ago
I don’t quite know how to explain to you all how horrendous that call was. I don’t care who wins. Maybe I’ll get a book deal if the Red Sox win a World Series. Go Red Sox! But I can’t fathom that. It’s too big a stage.

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Drellich of course is a Red Sox beat writer these days.

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 1m ago
Carlos Correa rips a single. Astros lead, 3-2.

Sorry. That's my tweet from what should be.

Carlos Correa rips a single. Red Sox lead, 2-1.

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 2m ago
This seems pretty straightforward: "No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence" unless "it is clearly intentional." If you look at the replay, it's awfully hard to see clear intention from the fan in touching Mookie Betts' glove.

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 8m ago
I'd love to hear the explanation for that. Didn't look like a fan reached over the fence. If he didn't, and the ball was over the fence when it was touched, and the contact was incidental between the fan and Mookie Betts' glove, that has to be a home run, right?

Jayson Stark @jaysonst 7m
If you had bottom of the 1st, Game 4, for the first "Joe West moment" of this series, you win. Not sure how Cowboy Joe & the replay reviewers in NY could conclude that fan reached onto the field of play to interfere, based on what I saw. But that's how a 2-run HR became an out!

Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 10m ago
Altuve is called out on fan interference after replay. I think that is a bad call. The ball was beyond the fence and Betts closed his glove before the ball arrived. I don't think he was going to catch that. 2-run HR goes away. #Astros #RedSox

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 12m ago
Are you going to eject the fans for that? If not, it should be a home run.

Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 17m ago
Astros security is not ejecting the fan. He’s getting a warning instead.

Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 15m ago
Fan’s name is Troy Caldwell. Said that call was one of the worst calls he has ever seen Said he will “need security to escort me out of here if the Astros don’t come back to win this.”

VirtualBob · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:37:22 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on October 17, 2018, 08:28:31 pm

Jayson Stark @jaysonst 7m
If you had bottom of the 1st, Game 4, for the first "Joe West moment" of this series, you win.

No ... That would be the "rules consultation" replay from the other day.

austro · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:39:17 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on October 17, 2018, 08:37:22 pm

No ... That would be the "rules consultation" replay from the other day.

Disagree. I think it was when he got hit by the throw down to second base.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2018, 08:46:29 pm »

Quote from: austro on October 17, 2018, 08:39:17 pm

Disagree. I think it was when he got hit by the throw down to second base.

That was sweet. I was not counting positive moments.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2018, 12:29:35 am »

Quote from: VirtualBob on October 17, 2018, 08:46:29 pm

That was sweet. I was not counting positive moments.

I wish it had hit him in the fucking face.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2018, 12:34:04 am »

Three Joe West moments in the series so far.

doyce7 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:00:10 am »

No question, the worst call I've ever seen at the professional level. Everyone involved should be fired on the spot.

97 year old, 800 pound joe west has no business making that call. When in doubt, that should be a homerun and let replay do its job if you're wrong.

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Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2018, 08:52:16 am »

The positive thing is Rob Manfred and MLB will get right on cleaning up all the replay messes ... as soon as the World Series between the Dodgers and Red Sox is over.

JimR · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2018, 12:28:57 pm »

Betts clearly was in the stands. The fucking security person blocked the angle which would have shown it. I do not know if Betts would have caught it, but there was no interference.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2018, 12:54:13 pm »

The view from the center field camera is conclusive. It is easy to see Betts broke the plane of the wall and reached in to the stands.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:11:59 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 18, 2018, 12:54:13 pm

The view from the center field camera is conclusive. It is easy to see Betts broke the plane of the wall and reached in to the stands.

Which is of course the only way to make that determination: looking at it from one side.

Not while running directly at the play.

Joe West is the butt of jokes for a reason.

Ditto the replay system.

Limey · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:12:51 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 18, 2018, 12:54:13 pm

The view from the center field camera is conclusive. It is easy to see Betts broke the plane of the wall and reached in to the stands.

You just need to look at the fans, they're standing straight up. Gray shirt is looking to "basket catch" the ball, orange shirt is reaching across and underneath gray shirt and white shirt (who I have seen blamed in some circles) is nowhere near the action.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:18:47 pm »

Geoff Blum: “I Hate To Pick On Joe West, But I Think The Game Has Passed Him By”

https://www.mighty1090.com/episode/geoff-blum-i-hate-to-pick-on-joe-west-but-i-think-the-game-has-passed-him-by/

MRaup · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:22:45 pm »

The thing that blows my mind is, if after watching 100 replays of it you're not sure if interference happened, then that's not fucking interference.

It makes zero sense to agree that Blimpy the Umpire, who was waddling at about the speed of smell toward the play, had a good enough angle to determine from 50+ feet away that there was fan interference.

That is a fucking joke. And it says everything you need to know that West claimed that the replay guy said he got it right when they ruled it was inconclusive.

Kit · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:25:35 pm »

It's hard not think something is up, when they took that much time to look at the replay and still came to that horribly wrong decision . If they come back with the stock answer" not enough to overturn (Joe West's) the on field call " . I'm going to puke.. Betts went into the stands and "pinched "his glove before the ball arrived. The fans were not reaching on to the field, I don't know how you could call any interference. Joe "Chowderhead" West.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:25:52 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on October 18, 2018, 01:18:47 pm

Geoff Blum: “I Hate To Pick On Joe West, But I Think The Game Has Passed Him By”

https://www.mighty1090.com/episode/geoff-blum-i-hate-to-pick-on-joe-west-but-i-think-the-game-has-passed-him-by/

More accurate to say the game has made a wide detour around him.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:42:10 pm »

Quote from: MRaup on October 18, 2018, 01:22:45 pm

The thing that blows my mind is, if after watching 100 replays of it you're not sure if interference happened, then that's not fucking interference.

It makes zero sense to agree that Blimpy the Umpire, who was waddling at about the speed of smell toward the play, had a good enough angle to determine from 50+ feet away that there was fan interference.

That is a fucking joke. And it says everything you need to know that West claimed that the replay guy said he got it right when they ruled it was inconclusive.

The Astros did not eject the fan that “interfered.” That speaks volumes, too.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:49:03 pm »

The fan who stood straight up and didn't lean over the rail.

subnuclear · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2018, 01:53:54 pm »

From McTaggart: "Hot take: I think the Astros should raise the wall in RF to be even with the bullpen. There are too many plays atop that wall involving fans. Take umps/replay out of the equation."

This sounds smart to me.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #19 on:** October 18, 2018, 02:01:12 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on October 18, 2018, 01:53:54 pm

From McTaggart: "Hot take: I think the Astros should raise the wall in RF to be even with the bullpen. There are too many plays atop that wall involving fans. Take umps/replay out of the equation."

This sounds smart to me.

I agree.

I seem to remember low wall being touted as a feature so that exciting plays like that could happen.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 18, 2018, 02:11:40 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on October 18, 2018, 01:49:03 pm

The fan who stood straight up and didn't lean over the rail.

Makes sense that the guy in the white shirt who leaned over and way to his right to try and catch it would be ejected. However, the guy that actually touched Betts’ glove, wasn’t.

moriartp · « **Reply #21 on:** October 18, 2018, 02:14:46 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on October 18, 2018, 02:01:12 pm

I agree.

I seem to remember low wall being touted as a feature so that exciting plays like that could happen.

They could preserve the leaping catches by setting back the first row of fans a couple feet and leaving the wall at its current height. Not sure if the club has any interest in changing the RF setup at all, though.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2018, 02:22:21 pm »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on October 18, 2018, 02:01:12 pm

I seem to remember low wall being touted as a feature so that exciting plays like that could happen.

Low wall is fine -- just make sure you build in a buffer, like in D.C. or Philly.

Bad photo examples:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/1/3/4/125066134/051715_phi_fan_t_shirt_med_6r696n06.gif
https://www.retrosheet.org/ballparks/WAS02.jpg

juliogotay · « **Reply #23 on:** October 18, 2018, 02:23:51 pm »

Quote from: BUWebguy on October 18, 2018, 02:22:21 pm

Low wall is fine -- just make sure you build in a buffer, like in D.C. or Philly.

Bad photo examples:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/1/3/4/125066134/051715_phi_fan_t_shirt_med_6r696n06.gif
https://www.retrosheet.org/ballparks/WAS02.jpg

that would really shorten that RF porch. This shouldn't be an issue with the technology available.

BlownRanger · « **Reply #24 on:** October 18, 2018, 03:21:13 pm »

Will anyone be at the game sitting anywhere near the left field foul line? I'm sure Country Joe will be greeted warmly.

Part of me would like to see a ton of abuse heaped on him, but 1) it really wouldn't accomplish anything, and 2) West is a big enough prick to allow it to affect his work.

homer · « **Reply #25 on:** October 18, 2018, 03:28:02 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on October 18, 2018, 02:23:51 pm

that would really shorten that RF porch. This shouldn't be an issue with the technology available.

Yes. More cameras and there is no problem. Plus it gives another opportunity to demonstrate umpire incompetence.

subnuclear · « **Reply #26 on:** October 18, 2018, 03:38:19 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on October 18, 2018, 02:23:51 pm

that would really shorten that RF porch. This shouldn't be an issue with the technology available.

A camera solution is a slow solution and players/fans/obstructions/random security can block line-of-sight.

JimR · « **Reply #27 on:** October 18, 2018, 03:39:38 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on October 18, 2018, 01:53:54 pm

From McTaggart: "Hot take: I think the Astros should raise the wall in RF to be even with the bullpen. There are too many plays atop that wall involving fans. Take umps/replay out of the equation."

This sounds smart to me.

Totally agree.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #28 on:** October 18, 2018, 05:55:21 pm »

That Joe West is employed by MLB, much less assigned to the playoffs, tells you all you need to know about the state of MLB umpiring. While he is an embarrassment to baseball in particular and humanity in general, the Houston pitchers lost last night's game all on their own.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #29 on:** October 19, 2018, 05:15:08 pm »

And now he's making up his own rules...

Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 45m ago
Joe West, crew chief for ALCS, confident that the interference call was correct because no replay showed RF Mookie Betts’ body every touching the outfield wall.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #30 on:** October 19, 2018, 05:16:23 pm »

Winner, winner, chicken dinner...

Lance McCullers Jr. @LMcCullers43 7m ago
Replying to @BNightengale
Lmfao