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Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« on: October 14, 2018, 07:08:23 pm »
Thought this deserved its own thread and could more easily update moving forward...

According to his Instagram account, Alex House (24th rounder from 2017 out of Florida Atlantic who pitched just 5 innings this season) had arm surgery last month. Unless indicated otherwise going forward, gonna assume for now it was Tommy John.

Also Ryan Thompson (23rd rounder, 2014) confirms via his instagram that he had TJS in May.

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned for 4 games this year before again going on DL)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (still out)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 03:35:34 pm »
Updating...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned for 4 games this year before again going on DL)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (still out)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season

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Questions about TJS
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 05:23:20 pm »
Updating...

Players Undergoing TJS[  14
Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery   1
Unknown   2
So many minor league pitchers having TJS, delaying or possibly ending their prospects of being a ML pitcher.
Is this SOP for baseball?

Helpful article to this novice:
(2012 ESPN article)
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/7712916/tommy-john-surgery-keeps-pitchers-game-address-underlying-biomechanical-flaw-espn-magazine

(Tommy John is against overuse)  https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/tommy-john-opposes-namesake-surgery.html
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....It doesn’t bother me to watch my legacy being upstaged by an operation that has saved plenty of ballplayers’ careers. What does bother me is that my name is now attached to something that affects more children than pro athletes.....
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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 09:08:41 pm »
Snuff, you might want to take a look at these OWA threads from the past few years. Lotsa good info on TJS and how it's developing:

New Tommy John Procedure?
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120153.msg616376#msg616376

Facts about Tommy John surgery
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120065.msg612731#msg612731

Reducing Tommy John surgeries
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=116895.msg496853#msg496853


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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 01:51:17 pm »
Snuff, you might want to take a look at these OWA threads from the past few years. Lotsa good info on TJS and how it's developing:

New Tommy John Procedure?
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120153.msg616376#msg616376

Facts about Tommy John surgery
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=120065.msg612731#msg612731

Reducing Tommy John surgeries
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=116895.msg496853#msg496853

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 09:36:44 pm »
Snuff, you might want to take a look at these OWA threads from the past few years. Lotsa good info on TJS and how it's developing:...

TY for the links, Nate.  I tried several searches and found a number of posts, but did not find these threads. 

[New Tommy John Procedure?]  Good to know that an alternative procedure has been available since 2013, but the May 2018 article stated that it has been used world wide only 200 times by that date.   

[Facts about Tommy John surgery]  Interesting stats. 
For example, one table estimated that 87% of the ML games will have at least one pitcher that has had TJS.  The precentage ranges as high as 98% SF or Colorado to as low as 65% for Boston and 68% for Baltimore.  (Houston was 84% probability.

On the next table, Baltimore has not had a ML Pitcher have TJS since June 2013, while Boston's last TJS was May 2016.  I wonder if Boston or Baltimore have discovered something or have just been lucky. 

[Reducing Tommy John surgeries]  This list in this thread is most helpful, encouraging young pitchers to not focus on lighting up the radar gun and taking time off from baseball to enjoy other sports.  Nutrition, hydration, conditioning and not pitching when tired can help the body to naturally recover.   

Thank you, Nate.
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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 09:49:04 pm »
As I am checking out more OWA threads on TJS, here's a study that redefines "successful recovery" in returning to the ML after TJS:
https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/tommy-john-surgery-success-rates-in-the-majors/
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....The definition of “success” in each of those four studies is a return to pitch in a single major league game.....  the pitcher is ready for big league action.... 
....I would submit that a more relevant question would be how often pitchers return and contribute in a meaningful way....look solely at the quantity of game action a player participates in following the return from the surgery....

PS: If this article has already been discussed elsewhere, please let me know & I will delete it.
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Eovaldi has had TJS Twice, in hs and during 2016...
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 09:06:42 pm »
While he was pitching in the WS last night one of the announcers shared that Eovaldi had TJS during hs and during 2016.

From his bio:
https://www.mlb.com/player/nathan-eovaldi-543135

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Nate signed with the Rays in February 2017 in part due to the club's reputation in handling pitchers recovering from Tommy John surgery… with help from the club's training staff, he achieved his goal of being physically ready to return by the end of the 2017 season, and the Rays exercised his 2018 option.....

(2017) Spent the entire season rehabbing from a second Tommy John surgery…is attempting to become the 32nd player to pitch in the majors after two Tommy John surgeries, and only the 12th pitcher to start a major league game after doing so…could become the third to pitch for the Rays after two Tommy John surgeries, following Al Reyes and Lance Carter, and the first to start a game for the Rays....

Note: During 2018, Eovaldi started 10 games for TB and 11 for Boston - after his 2nd TJS.
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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 01:59:45 pm »
Updating based on yesterday's Gustave news...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned for 4 games this year before again going on DL)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 06:23:49 pm »
Updating based on the LMJ news...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned for 4 games this year before again going on DL)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
  • Lance McCullers, Jr: 11/6/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016 (currently MLFA)
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2018, 11:51:53 am »
Forgot that Dean Deetz had Tommy John prior to his being drafted...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Dean Deetz: 4/1/12 (as a HS senior/RS his 1st year in college)
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned for 4 games this year before again going on DL)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
  • Lance McCullers, Jr: 11/6/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016 (currently MLFA)
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 03:27:32 pm »
JJ Cooper in today's BA chat says Jairo Solis recently had Tommy John so adding him to the list. He also said Joe Perez had several injuries this year but none considered serious. That info was apparently out of date as Perez on his IG account today indicated that he has had another surgery and (even though he doesn't state specifically) apparently it was TJS #2. I'll correct this later if it turns out to have been another type of surgery.

All told, that would be the 8th TJS for an Astros' player since March...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Dean Deetz: 4/1/12 (as a HS senior/RS his 1st year in college)
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/15 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned in June 2018)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
  • Jairo Solis: 9/1/18
  • Lance McCullers, Jr: 11/6/18
  • Joe Perez: 11/26/18 (2nd TJS)

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/16 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Players Undergoing Shoulder Surgery
  • Riley Ferrell: 5/11/16 (fix aneurysm/subsequently missed remainder of 2016 season)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016 (currently MLFA)
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season
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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2018, 08:48:40 pm »
Labrum surgery per his comment. No idea what the recovery time is, but here's hoping he can finally get back on the field before long.

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2018, 10:18:39 pm »
Fixing for the type of surgery Joe Perez had...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Dean Deetz: 4/1/12 (as a HS senior/RS his 1st year in college)
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/15 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned in June 2018)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
  • Jairo Solis: 9/1/18
  • Lance McCullers, Jr: 11/6/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/16 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Players Undergoing Shoulder Surgery
  • Riley Ferrell: 5/11/16 (fix aneurysm/subsequently missed remainder of 2016 season)
  • Joe Perez: 11/26/18 (fix labrum tear)

Unknown
  • Angel Heredia: has pitched just 7 games since Jun 2016 (currently MLFA)
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season

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Re: Under the Knife 2019 & Prior
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2019, 09:47:37 am »
Updating...

Players Undergoing TJS
  • Dean Deetz: 4/1/12 (as a HS senior/RS his 1st year in college)
  • Ben Smith: 4/1/14 (while in college/released after several years in the system)
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/15 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Kent Emanuel: 6/3/15 (missed most of 2015 and some of 2016 season)
  • Devin Conn: 1/1/16 (while in college)
  • Kyle Serrano: 3/1/16 (while in college)
  • Chad Donato: 7/1/16 (missed 2016 after being drafted)
  • Jose Hernandez: 1/1/17 (missed all of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Brady Rodgers: 5/2/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Joe Perez: 6/3/17 (returned in June 2018)
  • Edgardo Sandoval: 6/21/17 (missed remainder of 2017 and returned in June 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: 6/21/17 (since released)
  • Nick Hernandez: 3/27/18
  • Gerardo Bojorquez: 4/25/18
  • Ryan Thompson: 5/1/18 (claimed by Rays in minor league phase of 2018 Rule 5 draft)
  • Francis Martes: 8/15/18
  • Alex House: 9/1/18
  • Jairo Solis: 9/1/18
  • Lance McCullers, Jr: 11/6/18

Players Undergoing Ulnar Nerve Transposition Surgery
  • Derick Velazquez: 1/1/16 (missed 2015 & 2016 seasons/subsequently retired)
  • Matt Ruppenthal: 4/11/18 (returned in Aug 2018)
  • Jandel Gustave: summer 2018 (since released)

Players Undergoing Shoulder Surgery
  • Riley Ferrell: 5/11/16 (fix aneurysm/subsequently missed remainder of 2016 season/claimed by Marlins in 2018 Rule 5 draft)
  • Joe Perez: 11/26/18 (fix labrum tear)

Unknown
  • Hunter Martin: missed all of 2018 season