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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2018, 09:12:15 am »
The co-ed softball league I used to play in could have used this rule.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2018, 09:14:41 am »
For those that can't access WSJ, what is the proposed rule?

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2018, 09:25:58 am »
If you are in the lead, you only get two outs.  This will allow the team behind a greater opportunity to catch up (making the games more exciting) and will also prevent blow out games.  It will also shorten the time of games. 
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2018, 09:26:47 am »
The proposal: When the game is tied, you play like normal -- 3 outs per team per inning. When one team takes the lead, then suddenly, that team only gets 2 outs per inning. That's it.
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2018, 09:35:55 am »
that is so fair!!!!
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2018, 09:40:48 am »
Why don't they just spot the team that is trailing a couple of runs so that it's tied?  The current system is unfairly tilted in favor of the team in the lead.  It's not fair that a team shouldn't get a chance to win just because the other team has scored more runs. 
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2018, 09:50:59 am »
If you are in the lead, you only get two outs.  This will allow the team behind a greater opportunity to catch up (making the games more exciting) and will also prevent blow out games.  It will also shorten the time of games.

Thanks.  This is probably the stupidest idea (related to a major sport) that I've ever encountered.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2018, 10:01:39 am »
Wow,  what a stupid idea.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2018, 11:02:23 am »
Fans: “Games last too long because of all the commercials, and ticket prices are too high.”
MLB: “Let’s take away outs.”
Fans: “No, we want more baseball and less dead time.”
MLB: “Runs are now florps.”


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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2018, 11:10:12 am »
Why don't they just spot the team that is trailing a couple of runs so that it's tied?  The current system is unfairly tilted in favor of the team in the lead.  It's not fair that a team shouldn't get a chance to win just because the other team has scored more runs.

Giving a team runs is very different than taking away outs. Yes, I know you are joking, but really that's obviously way different.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 11:11:25 am »
Fans: “Games last too long because of all the commercials, and ticket prices are too high.”
MLB: “Let’s take away outs.”
Fans: “No, we want more baseball and less dead time.”
MLB: “Runs are now florps.”


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Blow out time is dead time to most people. In-game commercials haven't been a driver of longer games. If you showed no commercials it would shorten the game maybe 5-10 minutes.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2018, 11:13:51 am »
Giving a team runs is very different than taking away outs. Yes, I know you are joking, but really that's obviously way different.

Just trying to cut out the middle man.
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2018, 11:26:31 am »
What if the proposal was that if a team is ahead by 9 runs in the eighth inning, it only get two outs?
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2018, 12:07:07 pm »
What if the proposal was if someone doesn't want to watch a blowout they change the channel?

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2018, 01:22:56 pm »
What if the proposal was if someone doesn't want to watch a blowout they change the channel?

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 10:00:14 pm »
Enter the "catch up" rule proposal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-radical-pitch-to-save-baseball-1535562571?mod=trending_now_4

The Twins did this last night vs the Astros!

The Twins started Sunday experimenting w/ an approach that might allow their starters go deeper in games - by letting them avoid the top opposing hitters until later in the game by using a reliever to "open" the game.
Last night...
  • May - the Opener - aimed to limit the damage by the Astros 1-6 hitters in 1 or 2 innings.  (It did not work.)
  • Stewart - the Primary pitcher - would start against the weakest hitters and go deeper into the game (5 innings so far) by facing the top hitters only twice.  (It did work.)

Explanation:
https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-to-experiment-with-opener-strategy/c-292922934
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...much of the strategy is advised to keep the primary pitcher from facing the top of the lineup early and to be limited to two times through the order. The data shows starting pitchers have a higher ERA in the first inning and also have trouble with hitters a third time through an order.)

Of course, the A's started this and the clubs have been experimenting w/ it in the minors until now.

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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 10:20:22 pm »
Working so far for the A's tonight, Yankees just got their first hit w/ 2 out in the 6th.
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2018, 12:41:08 pm »
The Twins did this last night vs the Astros!

The Twins started Sunday experimenting w/ an approach that might allow their starters go deeper in games - by letting them avoid the top opposing hitters until later in the game by using a reliever to "open" the game.
Last night...
  • May - the Opener - aimed to limit the damage by the Astros 1-6 hitters in 1 or 2 innings.  (It did not work.)
  • Stewart - the Primary pitcher - would start against the weakest hitters and go deeper into the game (5 innings so far) by facing the top hitters only twice.  (It did work.)

Explanation:
https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-to-experiment-with-opener-strategy/c-292922934
Of course, the A's started this and the clubs have been experimenting w/ it in the minors until now.
I thought Tampa Bay started it.
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Re: stop trying to change the game
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2018, 01:17:22 pm »
Working so far for the A's tonight, Yankees just got their first hit w/ 2 out in the 6th.

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The origin of the "Bullpen Game" (Part 1)
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 02:28:17 pm »
I thought Tampa Bay started it.

I stand corrected.

Last night I either heard one of the Twins announcers say so or it in one of the articles I found last night, but I am having trouble finding the quote.

Certainly the Rays had ample reason for implementing "The Bullpen Strategy"
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/tampa-bay-rays-openers-bulk-guys-mlb
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.......The notion of a “bullpen game,” by that point, was nothing new, and certainly not for a Rays club that used committees of relievers in the place of a traditional starter a handful of times in 2017 and regularly from the start of the 2018 campaign......

....After trading away starters Chris Archer and Nate Eovaldi at the trade deadline, the Rays — who also lost promising young starters Jose De Leon and Brent Honeywell to season-ending injuries in spring training — call upon their bullpen for three games out of every five, with only Blake Snell and new addition Tyler Glasnow regularly working in something resembling a traditional starter’s capacity. In the clubhouse, the pitching tactics — and the associated pitching roles — once seen as curiosities have now become facts of life....

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The origin of the "Bullpen Game" (Part 2)
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 02:31:14 pm »
I thought Tampa Bay started it.

Part 2 - opposing teams did not like it.

According to this article, the Rays experimented w/ it during 2017 and used it for as many as 3 of every 5 games during 2018.  It was not welcomed by the Angels.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/tampa-bay-rays-sergio-romo-opener-los-angeles-angels-zack-cozart-mad-bad-for-baseball-mlb

The writer approved it for several reasons....
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....It works, and as such, it only makes baseball better. While current trends in pitcher usage may rob us the chance to know which contemporary arm has the freakish durability of a Nolan Ryan, the move away from the traditional model is one borne of more information and bolder thinking. Guys who prove they can remain effective deep into games should always get opportunities to do that, but game plans like those the Rays used against Los Angeles represent smart ways to maximize a pitching staff in the absence of an available ace.....
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