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Re: Rule Change Commentary
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2018, 11:39:53 pm »
Interesting article.  While I find myself agreeing with most of it, I also see an inconsistency.  Much of the complaining about attempts to speed up the game are by the same folks who decry the starting pitcher only going 5 innings, multiple pitching changes, shifts, designate hitters...in short, all the things that have made the games longer.  It's almost as if they're saying "we don't care how long the game takes, as long as it fits in the time frame we think is reasonable."  I get that they're arguing against those specific things, but why?  Because it changes the fundamental nature of the game?  I don't think so.  They're against those things because it slows the game down.  Which they then turn around and argue they don't care about.  It's a vicious circle.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 07:00:40 am »
Interesting article.  While I find myself agreeing with most of it, I also see an inconsistency.  Much of the complaining about attempts to speed up the game are by the same folks who decry the starting pitcher only going 5 innings, multiple pitching changes, shifts, designate hitters...in short, all the things that have made the games longer.  It's almost as if they're saying "we don't care how long the game takes, as long as it fits in the time frame we think is reasonable."  I get that they're arguing against those specific things, but why?  Because it changes the fundamental nature of the game?  I don't think so.  They're against those things because it slows the game down.  Which they then turn around and argue they don't care about.  It's a vicious circle.
I had not thought about it that way, but you are right.  Personally, I do not mind the parts of the game that are "slow" for genuine baseball reasons (including all the delay tactics that batters and pitchers use to get into each others heads).  The only thing that bugs me there is the commercial delays, which so far are less of a problem in baseball than other sports.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 10:25:31 am »
I had not thought about it that way, but you are right.  Personally, I do not mind the parts of the game that are "slow" for genuine baseball reasons (including all the delay tactics that batters and pitchers use to get into each others heads).  The only thing that bugs me there is the commercial delays, which so far are less of a problem in baseball than other sports.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 08:33:52 pm »
Want to speed up the game?   Stop juicing the balls.
I agree with the sentiment, but not for that reason.  My idea of a perfect day at the ballpark is a 1-0 9-inning gem with a few blue star fielding plays and enough base-runners to provide tension.  I do not need a home run (though a warning track fly in the gap is beauty) and I do not need any of this new-fangled speed-the-game-up nonsense.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2018, 09:50:27 am »
I agree with the sentiment, but not for that reason.  My idea of a perfect day at the ballpark is a 1-0 9-inning gem with a few blue star fielding plays and enough base-runners to provide tension.  I do not need a home run (though a warning track fly in the gap is beauty) and I do not need any of this new-fangled speed-the-game-up nonsense.

Love your post. You must miss, as I do, Astros baseball circa 1980.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2018, 10:49:26 am »
I agree with the sentiment, but not for that reason.  My idea of a perfect day at the ballpark is a 1-0 9-inning gem with a few blue star fielding plays and enough base-runners to provide tension.  I do not need a home run (though a warning track fly in the gap is beauty) and I do not need any of this new-fangled speed-the-game-up nonsense.

I generally agree with this, especially with the nonsense comment, but Game Five was thrilling.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2018, 12:54:31 pm »
I generally agree with this, especially with the nonsense comment, but Game Five was thrilling.

Not once during the numerous mounds visits by catchers during the playoffs did I say to myself "oh come on,  get on with it already."

The tension,  if anything, was heightened.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2018, 01:48:17 pm »
Not once during the numerous mounds visits by catchers during the playoffs did I say to myself "oh come on,  get on with it already."

The tension,  if anything, was heightened.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2018, 01:53:57 pm »
Not once during the numerous mounds visits by catchers during the playoffs did I say to myself "oh come on,  get on with it already."

The tension,  if anything, was heightened.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2018, 04:15:18 pm »
I generally agree with this, especially with the nonsense comment, but Game Five was thrilling.

Me too and I agree with game 5. Yet, I found myself wondering at the “bash each other until one drops” style of play of game 5 and how different it was to the Astros style of the late 70’s and 80’s when I became a fan. Then I went back to enjoying the game.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2018, 04:17:42 pm »
The tension,  if anything, was heightened.

I agree. They can put the mitt up over their mouths all they want but you can still see nearly all the drama. That’s a fun part of the game for me.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2018, 05:59:22 pm »
I love the game the way it is, just like every one else on here. Problem is MLB thinks they need to find a way to reach people who don't watch baseball because they say the game is , "too slow, last too long, drags on etc..." They're not trying to speed up games for people like us.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2018, 06:22:04 pm »
I love the game the way it is, just like every one else on here. Problem is MLB thinks they need to find a way to reach people who don't watch baseball because they say the game is , "too slow, last too long, drags on etc..." They're not trying to speed up games for people like us.

They are NOT going to get those people regardless of what they do.  Quit trying to change the game to suit them. Protect the fan you have.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2018, 09:51:18 pm »
Not once during the numerous mounds visits by catchers during the playoffs did I say to myself "oh come on,  get on with it already."

The tension,  if anything, was heightened.

I don't think anyone wants to speed up World Series games.  The gripe is with the Marlins/Padres game in August. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2018, 10:00:13 pm »
I don't think anyone wants to speed up World Series games.  The gripe is with the Marlins/Padres game in August. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2018, 08:45:23 am »
They are NOT going to get those people regardless of what they do.  Quit trying to change the game to suit them. Protect the fan you have.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2018, 09:55:31 am »
I like a variety of type of games: 1-0, 5-4, 17-9, whatever. However, I don't think the 30 minutes on average they have added since the 80s contains anything interesting. but not sure what to do about it. It's not something easy to remove from the games, I'm pretty sure.

A consistent strike zone and consistent baseball would help pitchers, so maybe start there.
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2018, 09:04:54 am »
Honestly, the mound visit limit hasn't seemed intrusive so far.  I can imagine in a extra-extra inning game it could become much more disruptive.

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2018, 10:30:04 am »
I don't think anyone wants to speed up World Series games.  The gripe is with the Marlins/Padres game in August.

I think you're generally correct, but it was during a World Series McCann mound visit that Smoltz said something like "They'll fix this in the offseason.  They'll limit these mound visits".

I completely agree with the sentiment expressed by several others:  It's a shame when the suits in charge of a sport do crazy shit to "expand the fan base" without regard to the fans the sport already has.
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2018, 10:54:28 am »
The non-fan won't even be familiar with the rule or a rule-change.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2018, 11:38:50 am »
As I understand it, the demographics of baseball fans tilt old--significantly more so than the NFL or NBA. Is it the consensus of the board that this either isn't a problem or is a problem that can't be remedied by tweaking the rules?

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2018, 11:57:09 am »
As I understand it, the demographics of baseball fans tilt old--significantly more so than the NFL or NBA.

From a 2017 story listing the average age of viewers:
MLB: 57
NFL: 50
NBA: 42

Other sports:
PGA: 64
NASCAR: 58
CFB: 52
CBKB: 52
NHL: 49
MLS: 40
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2018, 03:04:21 pm »
From a 2017 story listing the average age of viewers:
MLB: 57
NFL: 50
NBA: 42

Other sports:
PGA: 64
NASCAR: 58
CFB: 52
CBKB: 52
NHL: 49
MLS: 40

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2018, 04:22:16 pm »
From a 2017 story listing the average age of viewers:
MLB: 57
NFL: 50
NBA: 42

Other sports:
PGA: 64
NASCAR: 58
CFB: 52
CBKB: 52
NHL: 49
MLS: 40

Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that MLB has fewer 42 year-old fans than the NBA.
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2018, 06:09:28 pm »
57 is not old, godammit.

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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2018, 06:54:46 pm »
57 is not old, godammit.
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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2018, 11:57:07 pm »
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