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And the winner is...
« on: November 14, 2017, 09:46:03 pm »
Paul molitor wins AL Manager of the year with twice as many votes as Hinch's 52. Guess Mr. Hinch will have to console himself with a world series championship over the long cold winter. Thank you Mr.Hinch.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 09:50:39 pm »
Wow. I guess Judge will be mvp.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2017, 09:52:03 pm »
Wow. I guess Judge will be mvp.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 12:47:35 am »
Award or not,  AJ was the definition of a steady hand at the wheel the entire  regular season.

And he managed the hell out of the postseason.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 10:18:38 am »
Award or not,  AJ was the definition of a steady hand at the wheel the entire  regular season.

And he managed the hell out of the postseason.
I only watched Hinch manage with regularity after the all star game and I think  he should get credit for successfully handling a lot of injuries among other things. And I haven't watched Molitor manage a single game, so I can't speak to the justness of the decision.

Most (all?) of Hinch's starting rotation had injuries real or imagined at some point of the season. Also had stretches where key position players were hurt too. Even had to deal with his emergency back up pitchers having problems of their own (Paulino). So sure, maybe Molitor got a lot out of a team with considerably less talent, but it wasn't smooth sailing on the road winning the division (a hurricane comes to mind).

Things like manger of the year are pretty subjective, expect this is award may be like an Oscar, where you sometimes win in a specific year in order to recognize your career, not just a specific year.  No doubt people are paying attention to him now and wouldn't be surprised if he wins one in the next year or two. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 10:24:19 am »
Wow. I guess Judge will be mvp.

It would be galling to see Judge (or Turner) win it over Altuve but, I'm sure the players would agree, the World Series title is worth more than any consolation "opinion" award.  Same with Hinch; the whole country got to see him calmly steer the Astros to the title while Roberts twisted himself into a pretzel trying to keep up and the two other opposing post-season managers got fired.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 11:04:18 am »
It would be galling to see Judge (or Turner) win it over Altuve but, I'm sure the players would agree, the World Series title is worth more than any consolation "opinion" award.  Same with Hinch; the whole country got to see him calmly steer the Astros to the title while Roberts twisted himself into a pretzel trying to keep up and the two other opposing post-season managers got fired.

Turner?  Each league has their own MVP.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 11:10:59 am »
Turner?  Each league has their own MVP.
Think he meant Jose Ramirez. Turner is not on the the NL MVP shortlist, so it would be especially galling if he wins it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 11:20:25 am »
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/261899192/paul-molitor-named-as-al-manager-of-year/

Just read the article about Molitor's season. Not getting the impression Hinch got "robbed." Expect Hinch will win one soon enough, as inconsequential as it might be next to this year's achievement.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 11:28:56 am »
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/261899192/paul-molitor-named-as-al-manager-of-year/

Just read the article about Molitor's season. Not getting the impression Hinch got "robbed." Expect Hinch will win one soon enough, as inconsequential as it might be next to this year's achievement.

If Hinch cares about such things (and I suspect he does to some extent), losing out to Banister in 2015 probably hurt a lot more.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 11:34:13 am »
If Hinch cares about such things (and I suspect he does to some extent), losing out to Banister in 2015 probably hurt a lot more.

Especially since he lost MoY because the team coughed up the division to Arlington.

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 02:18:23 pm »
I don't have a problem with Molitor winning MoY, but I'm getting pretty tired of the narrative I'm hearing over and over:  "Everyone expected the Indians and Astros to easily win their divisions".  That's revisionist history.  I seem to recall most scribes and talking heads predicting a tight race between Texas and Houston, with Seattle a very popular dark horse pick.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 05:08:26 pm »
I don't have a problem with Molitor winning MoY, but I'm getting pretty tired of the narrative I'm hearing over and over:  "Everyone expected the Indians and Astros to easily win their divisions".  That's revisionist history.  I seem to recall most scribes and talking heads predicting a tight race between Texas and Houston, with Seattle a very popular dark horse pick.

It's true that the Astros weren't a universal pick to win the division, much less a 100-win team, but most prognosticators had them making the postseason.

Literally no one saw the Twins coming.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 05:11:54 pm »
The Twins are the Spanish Inquisition?


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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 05:19:55 pm »
Kluber gets the AL CY.

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 05:27:29 pm »
I expected Molitor to win MOY. The Twins were a big surprise.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2017, 08:14:25 am »
Turner?  Each league has their own MVP.

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2017, 08:15:49 am »
Think he meant Jose Ramirez. Turner is not on the the NL MVP shortlist, so it would be especially galling if he wins it.

Nope.  I meant Turner, having heard the somewhat lame MVP chants in his honor from DodgerFan.  It's just that I'm not so used to the Astros playing the team from the other league, especially when that other league is the NL.
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