Aaron Hernandez - Unmaking a Murderer

[Limey]

An odd quirk of law is that Hernandez' death, while appealing his original murder conviction, means that the original conviction is set aside.  He's no longer a murderer; simply, now, a dead former NFL player.

That has financial repercussions.  I think the league and the Patriots now owe his estate a shit-ton of money.

[HudsonHawk]

I think that's wishful thinking, for several reasons. 1) overturning his conviction does not go back in time and release him from prison making him available to play for the Patriots, and 2) Hernandez already filed a grievance and settled with the Patriots.  It's highly unlikely that the settlement did not contain language to the effect of "this settles it". 

[Fredia]

interesting and sad.

[HudsonHawk]

Well, Hernandez officially had his conviction vacated today.  He is no longer a "convicted murderer" in the eyes of Massachusetts.  I still don't think this somehow invalidates the Patriots releasing him

[geezerdonk]

I think that this is what happened with Kenneth Lay. There was a large asset forfeiture that was part of his criminal conviction. The forfeiture was set aside along with his conviction when he died before his appeal had been resolved. Not sure what happened to the money.

[Limey]

Well, Hernandez officially had his conviction vacated today.  He is no longer a "convicted murderer" in the eyes of Massachusetts.  I still don't think this somehow invalidates the Patriots releasing him

They may owe him $6 million, though.

[Limey]

I think that this is what happened with Kenneth Lay. There was a large asset forfeiture that was part of his criminal conviction. The forfeiture was set aside along with his conviction when he died before his appeal had been resolved. Not sure what happened to the money.

Ken took it with him to Tahiti.

[Bench]

Ken took it with him to Tahiti.

I always speculated Paraguay.

[Limey]

I always speculated Paraguay.

It's a magical place.

[HudsonHawk]

They may owe him $6 million, though.

His conviction was a not a condition of his release from the Patriots.  They released him before his conviction, and would not have been on the hook had he been acquitted in the first place.  Secondly, regardless of the verdict being vacated upon his death, he was still incarcerated for the last how ever many years and was not available to fulfill his job duties, even if the Patriots wanted him too.  Finally, they already settled a grievance for this.  I would be very shocked if the NFL turned around and said, oh well, looks like we owe him after all. 

[Limey]

His conviction was a not a condition of his release from the Patriots.  They released him before his conviction, and would not have been on the hook had he been acquitted in the first place.  Secondly, regardless of the verdict being vacated upon his death, he was still incarcerated for the last how ever many years and was not available to fulfill his job duties, even if the Patriots wanted him too.  Finally, they already settled a grievance for this.  I would be very shocked if the NFL turned around and said, oh well, looks like we owe him after all.

I don't think it will be the NFL's decision.  The estate is going after the Patriots in court.  The estate may well lose - for the reasons you cite - but they're still likely to try.

[HudsonHawk]

I don't think it will be the NFL's decision.  The estate is going after the Patriots in court.  The estate may well lose - for the reasons you cite - but they're still likely to try.

Baez will try anything to suck more money out of someone.  His claim of "we're in negotiations" simply means "I've asked for it".  On what grounds would the Patriots still owe him the money?

[Limey]

On what grounds would the Patriots still owe him the money?

On the grounds that Hernandez was just a sad, misunderstood person, trying to get along in the world while people mysteriously dropped dead in his general vicinity.

[HudsonHawk]

On the grounds that Hernandez was just a sad, misunderstood person, trying to get along in the world while people mysteriously dropped dead in his general vicinity.

So you're saying being a mass-murdering psychopath isn't necessarily "not in the best interests of the NFL"?

[Bench]

So you're saying being a mass-murdering psychopath isn't necessarily "not in the best interests of the NFL"?

Alleged mass-murdering psychopath. 

[Limey]

So you're saying being a mass-murdering psychopath isn't necessarily "not in the best interests of the NFL"?

Isn't in the job description?

[Limey]

Aaron Hernanedez had stage 3 CTE - leaving the 27-year old with the brain of a 70-year old.  Unless he was head-butting people to death, this isn't going to help the NFL's cause.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I know quite a few people in their 70s, as far as I know none of them go around murdering people.

[Limey]

I know quite a few people in their 70s, as far as I know none of them go around murdering people.

Not suggesting that CTE was the cause of his behavior.  Just that it's another NFL player whose brain has been ravaged, presumably from years of playing football.  He only had 44 games in the NFL...

[JimR]

Aaron Hernanedez had stage 3 CTE - leaving the 27-year old with the brain of a 70-year old.  Unless he was head-butting people to death, this isn't going to help the NFL's cause.

So, what are you saying about my brain?

[MusicMan]

So, what are you saying about my brain?

That pink hat JackAstro put on you caused CTE?


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[Limey]

So, what are you saying about my brain?

That you have the maturity of a 27-year old man, which is better than me who has the maturity of a 14-year old boy.  So basically, men mature in reverse dog years.

[HudsonHawk]

Aaron Hernanedez had stage 3 CTE - leaving the 27-year old with the brain of a 70-year old.  Unless he was head-butting people to death, this isn't going to help the NFL's cause.

I always assumed he had the brain of a 7 year old.

[austro]

I always assumed he had the brain of a 7 year old.

You're selling 7-year-olds short.

[das]

Not suggesting that CTE was the cause of his behavior.  Just that it's another NFL player whose brain has been ravaged, presumably from years of playing football.  He only had 44 games in the NFL...

Good thing.  His boorish, brutish, violent behavior started long before he was in the NFL.  That said, he had many, many games and practices long before he was in the NFL as well.  His CTE is unsurprising and not the first diagnosed post-mortem in a 20-something player.  His adult behavior was unsurprising to those that knew him from a young age.

[HudsonHawk]

Since we've been resurrecting old threads...

A few weeks ago, the Massachusetts Supreme Court restored Hernandez's murder conviction.  He's now a dead mass murdering psychopath again. 

[Limey]

Since we've been resurrecting old threads...

A few weeks ago, the Massachusetts Supreme Court restored Hernandez's murder conviction.  He's now a dead mass murdering psychopath again.

Consequently, the Baltimore Ravens have resurrected their plans to erect a statue to Hernandez, next to the one the erected to Ray Lewis. 

[Lefty]

Consequently, the Baltimore Ravens have resurrected their plans to erect a statue to Hernandez, next to the one the erected to Ray Lewis. 

Stringer Bell is donating the land.

[MusicMan]

Stringer Bell is donating the land.

Where’s Wallace’s statue at?



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[Lefty]

Where’s Wallace’s statue at?



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Sheeeeeeeeeeeit

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Consequently, the Baltimore Ravens have resurrected their plans to erect a statue to Hernandez, next to the one the erected to Ray Lewis.

It'll actually be a statue of Ray Lewis obstructing the construction of the Hernandez statue.

They'll be a sign that reads "You didn't see nothing!"