Aches, Pains and Muscle Strains (2017 Version)

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Gattis has a sore throwing shoulder and already needs a cortisone shot for it (says twitter).

[das]

Evan Gattis has a sore throwing shoulder and already needs a cortisone shot for it (says twitter).

Playing it down, big time. 
http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/216092056/astros-evan-gattis-has-sore-right-shoulder/

[Nate Colbert]

It's "catching": another receiver with a sore throwing shoulder as Kaplan says Garrett Stubbs being held out of games "for now".

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris left with a groin injury after facing 2 batters in B5 today.

[jbm]

Good to hear that it's not arm related.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart @brianmctaggart  2 hours ago
James Hoyt will pitch for the 2nd time tomorrow. Astros have been conservative with him for arm/lat soreness.

[Nate Colbert]

Right hammy soreness for Fiers, will be skipped in next start which was scheduled for tomorrow against Mets. Martes gets the ball instead.

[Reuben]

Right hammy soreness for Fiers, will be skipped in next start which was scheduled for tomorrow against Mets. Martes gets the ball instead.

My first thought was "I hope we see a similar situation by June or July." But shit, for all I know, Fiers will be the staff ace this year and Martes will have only a handful of so-so years as a middle reliever before he's out of the majors.

[Nate Colbert]

Radio guys saying David Paulino being shut down with bone bruise in right shoulder.

[Nate Colbert]

Radio guys saying David Paulino being shut down with bone bruise in right shoulder.

In right elbow, the Chron clarifies. Paulino last pitched in a ST game on March 9. Will begin season on DL.

[MusicMan]

LMJ was pulled from his start today due to a toe issue that was bleeding through his shoe.


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[Nate Colbert]

It's "catching": another receiver with a sore throwing shoulder as Kaplan says Garrett Stubbs being held out of games "for now".

Seeing action today, first time behind the plate this spring.

[MusicMan]

In right elbow, the Chron clarifies. Paulino last pitched in a ST game on March 9. Will begin season on DL.

Further clarification - because he ended 2016 on the major league roster, Paulino will go to the major league DL. No real difference, except to his pocketbook.


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[Nate Colbert]

McHugh and P. Tucker with their Grapefruit League debuts in tonight's game vs the cheating-ass Cardinals.

[Uncle Charlie]

Further clarification - because he ended 2016 on the major league roster, Paulino will go to the major league DL. No real difference, except to his pocketbook.


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...and service time.

[Nate Colbert]

Making it official...

Mark Berman‏ @MarkBermanFox26  7 minutes ago
 AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh and David Paulino placed on the new 10-day MLB DL. Backdated to today, both could be available 7 days in.

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh to make a rehab start Thursday with Fresno.

[Nate Colbert]

Bryant-Jon Anteola‏ @Banteola_TheBee  2 minutes ago
McHugh had walked out to the mound to begin the second, threw a couple of warm up pitches, called out the trainer, then was removed.

Scheduled to throw 85 pitches, threw just 26.

[Nate Colbert]

Bryant-Jon Anteola‏ @Banteola_TheBee  2 minutes ago
McHugh had walked out to the mound to begin the second, threw a couple of warm up pitches, called out the trainer, then was removed.

Scheduled to throw 85 pitches, threw just 26.

Mark Berman ‏  2minutes ago
AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh "didn't feel very good" after pitching 1 inning. Said he had "tightness in elbow & biceps. In town to be examined

[juliogotay]

Mark Berman ‏  2minutes ago
AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh "didn't feel very good" after pitching 1 inning. Said he had "tightness in elbow & biceps. In town to be examined

"Jeff? This is Rick Hahn calling. You know I have this lefthander, Quintana. The price is only going up if I keep him until the trade deadline when contending clubs all inquire about him."

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh shut down for 6 weeks with posterior impingement in right elbow.

[das]

McHugh shut down for 6 weeks with posterior impingement in right elbow.

Wow, that's a July return.

[Reuben]

Wow, that's a July return.

While that's definitely a blow, and I like McHugh a lot, to me it doesn't change the season outlook much. This season was going to and still does hinge on how healthy and close to their peak Keuchel and McCullers can be, and to some extent Morton. The other starters figured to mostly be a mix of solid, but unspectacular arms - McHugh, Musgrove, Fiers. If someone else goes down (or Fiers pitches more like 2016 Fiers), they could consider stretching out Devenski or Feliz, or giving Rodgers a shot, or, maybe later in the year, seeing if Martes is ready. They've still got pretty good depth.

[MusicMan]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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[Mr. Happy]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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+1

[Reuben]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

[austro]

From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

It would be interesting to see the variance in those numbers. I just have the feeling that McHugh is steadier: you're going to get just about the same thing every time out. Fiers could be really good, or he could be cover-your-eyes bad. But I haven't put those subjective feelings to any sort of objective test.

[juliogotay]

It would be interesting to see the variance in those numbers. I just have the feeling that McHugh is steadier: you're going to get just about the same thing every time out. Fiers could be really good, or he could be cover-your-eyes bad. But I haven't put those subjective feelings to any sort of objective test.

McHugh had some of those cover-your-eyes games on the road last year.

[JimR]

From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

Yes, there is. Objectively speaking.

[Nate Colbert]

Just a bruise for Correa.

[Reuben]

Just a bruise for Correa.

Whew.

[Nate Colbert]

Julia Morales  @JuliaMorales 24m ago
Correa tried to hit today for the first time since Saturday and said it didn't feel good. He'll try again tomorrow.

[Fredia]

time is the great healer

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

time is the great healer

Also a great avenger.

[MusicMan]

Gustave to the 10-day DL with forearm tightness. Hoyt up from AAA.

[Nate Colbert]

Left hammy discomfort for Springer, day to day.

[Fredia]

one list that definitely needs to get shorter. ouch

[Nate Colbert]

Left hammy discomfort for Springer, day to day.

Today's game "might" be only game he misses.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Jake Marisnick was pulled from the game as a precaution due to concussion-like symptoms, according to the Astros.

ETA:

Doesn't that mean a mandatory 7-day DL stint under concussion protocols?

[austro]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Jake Marisnick was pulled from the game as a precaution due to concussion-like symptoms, according to the Astros.

I think he had the bad luck to hit the fence right at one of the pillars rather than in between them.

[Reuben]

Marisnick cleared to fly with the team to Cleveland tonight. They're going to use the off-day to re-evaluate him.
per Kaplan

[MusicMan]

Breaking: Marisnick to 7 day concussion DL


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[MusicMan]

Breaking: Marisnick to 7 day concussion DL


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Teo up in his place.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Kinda surprised they didn't call up Tucker,he has been hitting really well.   Guess the call up was gonna be mostly a defensive one though.

[MusicMan]

Kinda surprised they didn't call up Tucker,he has been hitting really well.   Guess the call up was gonna be mostly a defensive one though.

Someone has to play CF



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[Navin R Johnson]

Well, Springer and Reddick are already on the roster. Aoki has played there and Tucker has started 3 games in CF in Fresno this year.  I think if Springer didnt have the hammy issue it might have been Tucker.   You are likely right that TH is mainly here in case they need him in CF.

[MusicMan]

Well, Springer and Reddick are already on the roster. Aoki has played there and Tucker has started 3 games in CF in Fresno this year.  I think if Springer didnt have the hammy issue it might have been Tucker.   You are likely right that TH is mainly here in case they need him in CF.

Springer is gimpy, and Aoki and Reddick combined have less than 80 games in CF.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Reddick looks fine in CF. Meanwhile Teoscar in the OF...

[Nate Colbert]

No concussion for Altuve and left knee contusion for Teo.

ETA:
They're now saying sore left shoulder for the former and the contusion for the latter is on the left lower leg, not knee.

[jbm]

Great news, given what it could've been

[austro]

No concussion for Altuve and left knee contusion for Teo.

We'll see how they feel tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they feel quite a bit worse then.

[Tonywatson]

I suspect Teoscar goes to DL and we see Tucker tomorrow night, or Kemp.


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[juliogotay]

I suspect Teoscar goes to DL and we see Tucker tomorrow night, or Kemp.


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Kemp can play OF and 2B  (not at the same time) so he would make alot of sense.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

We'll see how they feel tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they feel quite a bit worse then.

They're gonna be sore as shit tomorrow but they are young and resilient so they heal quick. Considering the circumstances, it's the best outcome one could hope for.

[toddthebod]

If Teoscar goes on the DL and the Astros call someone up, I'd like it to be Tucker.  He's hitting well in AAA.  And he isn't getting any younger.  He needs a showcase if, for no other reason, so the Astros can trade him and get some value in exchange.  It seems pretty clear that there isn't a lot of room long-term for Tucker on this team. 

[Mr. Happy]

If Teoscar goes on the DL and the Astros call someone up, I'd like it to be Tucker.  He's hitting well in AAA.  And he isn't getting any younger.  He needs a showcase if, for no other reason, so the Astros can trade him and get some value in exchange.  It seems pretty clear that there isn't a lot of room long-term for Tucker on this team.

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

[Reuben]

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

Or Fisher - not that I imagine he'd be more than "adequate" in CF, but he has played there a lot. That might mean a 40-man move though.

[Jacksonian]

Or Fisher - not that I imagine he'd be more than "adequate" in CF, but he has played there a lot. That might mean a 40-man move though.

I believe they are at 39 on the 40-man.

[Duman]

Kemp gives the most flexibility.

[Reuben]

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

Agreed. You're not going to get a significant piece back in a P-Tuck trade unless he comes up and plays the rest of the year, hitting really well. Scouts have never drooled over him, he has negative defensive value, and he had a poor, injury-marred 2016. That's the kind of player you pick up off the waiver wire, not in a trade where you give up anything of value.

[Navin R Johnson]

It would be fun if MLB would allow team to "loan" players like soccer teams do.   

[Nate Colbert]

Kemp is being called up and Teo goes to DL, says Kaplan.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

[das]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

Jake's 2-day line:

G   AB   R   H   TB   2B   3B   HR   RBI   BB   IBB   SO   SB   CS   AVG   OBP   SLG       OPS    GO/AO
2    7     2    3    7     1      0     1       2      0      0      2      0      0    .429    .429   1.000   1.429   0.00

[WVastro]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

I'll be happy to see Jake back. He's a valuable part of this team.

[MusicMan]

Brady Rodgers underwent UCL reconstruction surgery and is done for the season.


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[juliogotay]

Brady Rodgers underwent UCL reconstruction surgery and is done for the season.


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Damn. There isn't much behind the current five starters.

[Reuben]

Damn. There isn't much behind the current five starters.

I wonder if they've thought about stretching Feliz back out. He doesn't have the most crucial role in the current bullpen, and he started up until he reached the majors.

[juliogotay]

I wonder if they've thought about stretching Feliz back out. He doesn't have the most crucial role in the current bullpen, and he started up until he reached the majors.

I suppose you could do the same with Peacock and even Devo. There isn't much at AAA.

[Jacksonian]

I suppose you could do the same with Peacock and even Devo. There isn't much at AAA.

Peacock or Feliz, yes.  Devo, no.  He affects too many games to put him in the rotation.

[MusicMan]

Peacock or Feliz, yes.  Devo, no.  He affects too many games to put him in the rotation.

Amazing but true: Devo has more strikeouts than Strasburg and is only 2 behind Keuchel for the team lead.


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[Mr. Happy]

Amazing but true: Devo has more strikeouts than Strasburg and is only 2 behind Keuchel for the team lead.


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That's outrageous! Unbelievable.

[MrKnuckleball]

Hamels to miss 8 weeks.

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[Bench]

Julia reports that McHugh will be traveling with the team to LA and expects to start playing catch soon.

[Fredia]

excellent

[Reuben]

Julia reports that McHugh will be traveling with the team to LA and expects to start playing catch soon.

Once he progresses to throwing batting practice he'll be at the same stage as Fiers.

[juliogotay]

Once he progresses to throwing batting practice he'll be at the same stage as Fiers.

ouch.

[Nate Colbert]

Springer not pulled for injury reasons tonight--just rest. Also will sit out the matinee tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 4m ago
Hinch said Jandel Gustave had recurring arm soreness throwing in bullpen in Fresno yesterday and was sent back to Houston to see team docs.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Astros reliever Jandel Gustave's injury is a flexor strain. No structural damage but he won't throw for 10 days to two weeks, per Luhnow.

[WVastro]

Apologies if I missed it, but has there been an update on Teoscar since the outfield collision?

[Jacksonian]

Apologies if I missed it, but has there been an update on Teoscar since the outfield collision?

Back and optioned to Fresno.  He's been in their lineup the last few days.

[AstroNut]

Any news on Jake's elbow...

[BizidyDizidy]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

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[MusicMan]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

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Tolliver up, which suggests Peacock will make that start.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Expected to only miss one start.  Fingers crossed.

[Fredia]

well shit

[austro]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

Our turn. So many other teams have been dealing with injuries this year, I was wondering when it would happen to us, and who it would be. Offense is going to have to pick things up now.

[MrKnuckleball]

McCann to the 7 day concussion DL, retro to yesterday. Damn it Bobby.

[geezerdonk]

Centeno up. He is having a good year at Fresno.

[BizidyDizidy]

What happened to McCann?

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[austro]

What happened to McCann?

Apparently it's lingering effects from a foul tip/cross-up on a fastball last Sunday. TV guys said he just hasn't been feeling right all week.

[juliogotay]

What happened to McCann?

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Took a foul  tip off the mask in NYY series. Then another one in Miami. Walked in and said he wasn't feeling well.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 8m ago
Dallas Keuchel says he plans to pitch Saturday.

[Duke]

Great frickin news.

[homer]

Great frickin news.

He also pitched hurt for most of last season.

[Bench]

He also pitched hurt for most of last season.

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

[Mr. Happy]

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

This is an excellent point.

[doyce7]

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

Exactly. I doubt he would want to put himself or the team through what happened last year again

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[Fredia]

good good news.

[AstroNut]

Any story on Correa ?

[JimR]

Any story on Correa ?

He was ill.

[MusicMan]

He was ill.

Unless a head injury has caused you to believe Jon Heyman's ramblings, in which case he was benched for two games for not hustling.


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[juliogotay]

Unless a head injury has caused you to believe Jon Heyman's ramblings, in which case he was benched for two games for not hustling.


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I see guys loitering down to 1B all the time.

[Nate in IA]

The MLB daily email had an article that said he was suffering from a sinus infection.

[Lefty]

The MLB daily email had an article that said he was suffering from a sinus infection.

They were talking about it on the broadcast yesterday, he had a terrible headache and couldn't even sit in the dugout 2 games ago.

Heyman is a fucking idiot.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 33m ago
Astros reliever Jandel Gustave (flexor strain) has started his throwing program. He's at the team's facility in West Palm Beach.

[Andyzipp]

From http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/the-proper-gentlemen-of-sports-52356/astros-gm-jeff-luhnow-talks-amazing-15869936/

Charlie Morton?

We don't have a timeline. We'll develop one over the course of this week. He's no-throw for about a week. After that, we'll evaluate. These lat strain injuries end up in multiple months of missed time. I don't think this is one of those. Anytime a pitcher won't throw for a week, you're talking at least a 3-week hiatus. We'll have to do without him for a little while. This could be a blessing in disguise because the pace Charlie was on was probably unsustainable. Giving him a 3-week break could pay dividends in September & October.

[Nate Colbert]

Musgrove to DL w/shoulder discomfort.

Paulino gets tomorrow's start.

Another pitcher from Fresno will be called up tomorrow.

[Navin R Johnson]

Musgrove only expected to miss 1 start.

[Reuben]

Musgrove only expected to miss 1 start.

Whew. That's really good to hear.

[Nate Colbert]

Musgrove to DL w/shoulder discomfort.

Paulino gets tomorrow's start.

Another pitcher from Fresno will be called up tomorrow.

Lefty Reymin Guduan gets his first call to the bigs. Numbers overall for the season are rough, but in May has been better: 1.69 ERA and 1.06 WHIP in 16 IP. Against lefties for the first two months: 1.00 WHIP and .237 BAA  (10 IP).

[JimR]

I wonder if recent injury developments have Luhnow working the phones a little harder? My #1 wish is Cole and Watson, and Archer is next.

[Waldo]

I wonder if recent injury developments have Luhnow working the phones a little harder? My #1 wish is Cole and Watson, and Archer is next.

Is the idea that Watson would replace Gregerson?  Sipp has had an excellent month.

[JimR]

Is the idea that Watson would replace Gregerson?  Sipp has had an excellent month.

One more setup man who also can close to the mix. Hinch's use of the pen thus far has been masterful. Sipp is doing mopup work and has been better.

[MusicMan]

One more setup man who also can close to the mix. Hinch's use of the pen thus far has been masterful. Sipp is doing mopup work and has been better.

I don't think Hinch gets nearly enough credit for the way he has mixed and matched these players to give the right blend of playing time and rest for a lot of different pieces.

[JimR]

I don't think Hinch gets nearly enough credit for the way he has mixed and matched these players to give the right blend of playing time and rest for a lot of different pieces.

Agreed. The bullpen is deep, and different guys set up each night. He keeps them rested, and he has three guys who have closed.

[Waldo]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

[Jacksonian]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

I like that they are pulling up AAA arms to take some of the burden from the main guys.  Which points to more masterful work by Luhnow to keep Fresno's pitching staff deep.

[JimR]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

Please. The pen has never been this deep.

[AtascAstro]

It feels like the whole organization has a post-season mindset.  Pitchers who have previously tried to play through minor pains are reporting them and the organization is resting them.  Credit to Lunhow and Hinch, everybody is bought in to what they are trying to accomplish this season as a team.

[ValpoCory]

It feels like the whole organization has a post-season mindset.  Pitchers who have previously tried to play through minor pains are reporting them and the organization is resting them.  Credit to Lunhow and Hinch, everybody is bought in to what they are trying to accomplish this season as a team.

Hinch is channeling his inner-Gregg-Popovich when it comes to rest and pacing his players through a long regular season. 

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m ago
Marwin Gonzalez said he was diagnosed with just a contusion on his left hand. Could potentially be available off the bench tonight.

[Nate Colbert]

Luhnow on McHugh on pre-game radio show today: should be rehabbing in minor league games by early July, if not end of June.

[juliogotay]

Luhnow on McHugh on pre-game radio show today: should be rehabbing in minor league games by early July, if not end of June.

and Musgrove is going to start soon (tomorrow?).  Morton is starting to throw.

[Tonywatson]

Musgrove starting tonight, yes


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[MusicMan]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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[BizidyDizidy]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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This is getting ridiculous

[moriartp]

Mike Fiers got pissed about being bumped from the rotation, so he's been taking the rest of them out one by one.

[Bench]

Fiers is now the #1 pitcher.  And pitching like it!

[Jacksonian]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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So we started the season with Keuchel and the MF'ers.  Now we're down to just the F'er.

[hostros7]

Let's hope this is all part of ground control's plan to ensure a fresh, healthy rotation late in the year.

[MusicMan]

Mike Fiers got pissed about being bumped from the rotation, so he's been taking the rest of them out one by one.

This will be released as a movie in the offseason: I Know Where You Pitched Last Summer


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[MusicMan]

Let's also remember that the guy who was the next option, Rodgers, is ALSO injured.


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[WVastro]

I'm eating a frito pie right now. Didn't even think twice just went and did it.

[MusicMan]

I'm eating a frito pie right now. Didn't even think twice just went and did it.

Y'all should listen to him. He's pre-med.


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[MusicMan]

Looks like Peacock gets bumped to Tuesday and Martes goes Wednesday.


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[Jacksonian]

This is why you build a big lead and have a vaunted offense.

[hostros7]

Looks like Peacock gets bumped to Tuesday and Martes goes Wednesday.


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Peacock will pitch on three days rest. He threw 76 pitches on Friday night in a short outing.

[JimR]

Peacock will pitch on three days rest. He threw 76 pitches on Friday night in a short outing.

Peacock was great. Correa was not.

[Duke]

Peacock was great. Correa was not.

You gotta get at least one out there Carlos.

[toddthebod]

It didn't make a whole lot of difference in the end because the offense did nothing outside of the two big hits and gregerson did what he's been doing all season.  It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

[JimR]

It didn't make a whole lot of difference in the end because the offense did nothing outside of the two big hits and gregerson did what he's been doing all season.  It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

BS it made no difference. It may have given Peacock another inning.

[BlownRanger]

BS it made no difference. It may have given Peacock another inning.

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

[Reuben]

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

It wasn't very close at 2B though. You'd like your SS to have a better internal clock for the batter, and use better judgement.

[JimR]

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

Bullshit. Altuve beat Odor. Carlos had zero awareness of Odor's secondary lead and his busting his ass to beat a force. Throw the ball to Altuve or to first. He cannot get nobody.

[das]

It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

The microscopic sample size of the last two games notwithstanding, the Astros offense is still generating 4.25 runs per game since the streak ended, even with those last two stinker games included. The offense is not the problem here.

[JimR]

It wasn't very close at 2B though. You'd like your SS to have a better internal clock for the batter, and use better judgement.

He was completely unaware of Odor.

[Duke]

Yep.  Really poor judgment.  Check the runner,  if it's too close go to first.  You have to get at least one there.

[Andyzipp]

Haven't had a lot of time to research, but...

Keuchel...10-day DL, retroactive to June 5 - no timetable for return
McCullers...10-day DL, retroactive to June 9 - no timetable for return
Morton...10-day DL, retroactive to May 24 - throwing from mound; no timetable for return
McHugh...60-day DL, retroactive to April 3 - throwing bullpens, fastballs only; post All-star break return

Is that all still accurate?

[TenThirty]

Technically, for two days, June 10 and 11, (due to the retroactive DL designation for McCullers) all 5 members of the "when healthy" rotation were on the DL at the same time.  That feels like it could be unprecedented in baseball.  FTR, I settled the debate for myself, between Musgrove vs Fiers as the 5th starter, by noting that Musgrove started before Fiers in April.

[toddthebod]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

[WVastro]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

I listened to as much of the interview as I could stand. Olney hasn't "heard" squat. He "thinks" it might be more serious working off the same information that everyone else has. There is literally zero information of substance in the interview.

[Andyzipp]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

Olney doesn't know shit.  Having said that, I think there are 4 untouchables (Keuchel, Altuve, Correa and McCullers) and a couple of "ridiculously unlikely to be available" (Bregman, Springer) on the 25-man roster. 

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

[juliogotay]

Olney doesn't know shit.  Having said that, I think there are 4 untouchables (Keuchel, Altuve, Correa and McCullers) and a couple of "ridiculously unlikely to be available" (Bregman, Springer) on the 25-man roster. 

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

I would move Springer into the untouchable list....at least during this season. He is a team leader and brings a lot of energy to this team. Plus he's pretty good.

[Andyzipp]

I would move Springer into the untouchable list....at least during this season. He is a team leader and brings a lot of energy to this team. Plus he's pretty good.

"I" would as well.  Not sure Lunhow views him the same way.

[hostros7]

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

If reports from the offseason that the Astros were unwilling to include Bregman in a package for Chris Sale are accurate, I would expect him to remain an Astro.

[BizidyDizidy]

McTaggart had an interview with Hinch on Twitter - sounds like Keuchel expected to start throwing again in the next day or two.

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[Andyzipp]

On KPRC, Hinch relayed that he expects Keuchel and McCullers to start throwing this weekend.

Keuchel said he doesn't plan on taking a rehab assignment.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Charlie Morton says he's tentatively scheduled to begin a rehab assignment Thursday in Triple-A Fresno.

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m ago
Lance McCullers threw today for the first time since going on the DL. He could return to the rotation during the Astros' upcoming road trip.

[TenThirty]

Interestingly, the starting pitching hasn't been all that bad during this stretch.  The last trip through the rotation (such as it is) saw Musgrove, Peacock, Martes, Fiers and Paulino combine to post a 1.97 ERA with 1 K/IP and a WHIP of 1.02.  The problem is that they only combined for 27.1 IP in 5 games.

In fact baseball-reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=HOU&year=2017#all_notes has handy splits that show the performance of SP in June has been better than it was in April and May with respect to outcomes.  But the problem is they are needing about 4 more outs per game from the bullpen this month than previously, which has done markedly worse in June.  A combination of heavier workload and some of the good bullpen arms moving into the rotation, I guess.   

Basically, what I am trying to say is that the Astros will welcome Keuchel and McCullers back to really shore up that bullpen.

[doyce7]

Interestingly, the starting pitching hasn't been all that bad during this stretch.  The last trip through the rotation (such as it is) saw Musgrove, Peacock, Martes, Fiers and Paulino combine to post a 1.97 ERA with 1 K/IP and a WHIP of 1.02.  The problem is that they only combined for 27.1 IP in 5 games.

In fact baseball-reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=HOU&year=2017#all_notes has handy splits that show the performance of SP in June has been better than it was in April and May with respect to outcomes.  But the problem is they are needing about 4 more outs per game from the bullpen this month than previously, which has done markedly worse in June.  A combination of heavier workload and some of the good bullpen arms moving into the rotation, I guess.   

Basically, what I am trying to say is that the Astros will welcome Keuchel and McCullers back to really shore up that bullpen.

There's more to pitching than ERA. 3 innings 1 run and 6 innings 2 runs are the same ERA but which would you rather get from your starter?

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[JimR]

There's more to pitching than ERA. 3 innings 1 run and 6 innings 2 runs are the same ERA but which would you rather get from your starter?

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He kinda said that. The downturn has been a combo of inconsistent offense an an overworked pen. Blessing in disguise to develop Paulino and Martes in the bigs?

[NeilT]

He kinda said that. The downturn has been a combo of inconsistent offense an an overworked pen. Blessing in disguise to develop Paulino and Martes in the bigs?

And to see Fiers turn it around.

[JimR]

And to see Fiers turn it around.

Absolutely

[Nate Colbert]

Reddick off the DL, Fisher on the next flight to Fresno.

[MrKnuckleball]

Reddick off the DL, Fisher on the next flight to Fresno.

Hell of a job by Fisher in the 5 games he played. Hate to see him go back down but it had to happen.

[Navin R Johnson]

Fisher surely lived up to the hype during his call up.   He looks like he belongs in the bigs.   

[juliogotay]

Fisher surely lived up to the hype during his call up.   He looks like he belongs in the bigs.

I'm sure he will be soon. Probably for a different club.

[jbm]

I'm sure he will be soon. Probably for a different club.

He might be, but I'm a bit skeptical that Luhnow is itching to acquire an arm.  As long as the rest of the division is mediocre and arms like Peacock, Paulino and Martes are serviceable, why rush?

[Fredia]

tend to agree unless a really good deal happens along

[juliogotay]

He might be, but I'm a bit skeptical that Luhnow is itching to acquire an arm.  As long as the rest of the division is mediocre and arms like Peacock, Paulino and Martes are serviceable, why rush?

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

[das]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

[jbm]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

Thanks, I didn't realize that was the ultimate goal.   

Anyways, getting into the playoffs is the first goal, winning the division is next, having the best record is third and winning it all is the ultimate.  As long as they feel one and two are secure, why rush into a deal?  I'm sure Luhnow will do his best to win a championship, but dealing a potential long-term piece in June doesn't strike me as necessary or likely.

[juliogotay]

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

I think it's certainly possible but look how many uncertainties are on that list.

[juliogotay]

Thanks, I didn't realize that was the ultimate goal.   

Anyways, getting into the playoffs is the first goal, winning the division is next, having the best record is third and winning it all is the ultimate.  As long as they feel one and two are secure, why rush into a deal?  I'm sure Luhnow will do his best to win a championship, but dealing a potential long-term piece in June doesn't strike me as necessary or likely.

Ultimately Luhnow may stand pat (I doubt it) but you know he would pull the trigger tomorrow on the right deal. He hasn't heard it yet.

[Reuben]

Obviously they were willing to part with Fisher at one point, having been part of the original Giles deal. But that was a year and a half ago, and Fisher seems to have A) improved a lot, and B) he's now clearly much closer to MLB-ready. The Astros have a serious shortage of LH bats and could easily find room for Fisher next season (when Beltran and Aoki will likely both be gone), if not this season. So I'm skeptical of Luhnow hurting the near-term outlook for the team by dealing him now. I'm guessing he'd much rather trade guys who are further away, like Whitley, Franklin Perez, etc.

[juliogotay]

Obviously they were willing to part with Fisher at one point, having been part of the original Giles deal. But that was a year and a half ago, and Fisher seems to have A) improved a lot, and B) he's now clearly much closer to MLB-ready. The Astros have a serious shortage of LH bats and could easily find room for Fisher next season (when Beltran and Aoki will likely both be gone), if not this season. So I'm skeptical of Luhnow hurting the near-term outlook for the team by dealing him now. I'm guessing he'd much rather trade guys who are further away, like Whitley, Franklin Perez, etc.

there is starting to be a logjam at the higher levels of the minors at certain positions. Example:  Linares is pushing for J.D. Davis, who is tearing up AA, to be promoted to Fresno. He is a corner infielder.  Fresno has Moran at 3rd, doing pretty well with his swing adjustments, and Reed at 1st. 

[austro]

there is starting to be a logjam at the higher levels of the minors at certain positions. Example:  Linares is pushing for J.D. Davis, who is tearing up AA, to be promoted to Fresno. He is a corner infielder.  Fresno has Moran at 3rd, doing pretty well with his swing adjustments, and Reed at 1st. 

I expect at least one of Moran, Reed, and White to be involved in any deal.

[toddthebod]

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

Actually no.  I think the Astros need a better third pitcher.  And does anyone even know what the Astros are going to get when McHugh comes back?

[austro]

Actually no.  I think the Astros need a better third pitcher.  And does anyone even know what the Astros are going to get when McHugh comes back?

Personally, I'm not counting on anything from McHugh this year.

[Nate Colbert]

Jandel Gustave underwent TJS today.

[JimR]

Jandel Gustave underwent TJS today.

Dammit. So sad for him. Made the team in ST beating out Hoyt, then promptly got hurt.

[WVastro]

Dammit. So sad for him. Made the team in ST beating out Hoyt, then promptly got hurt.

I can't imagine that swing of emotion in a two month period. He has a great arm. I'll be rooting for him.

[Nate Colbert]

Charlie Morton threw 36 pitches for Fresno in his rehab start tonight.

[JimR]

I can't imagine that swing of emotion in a two month period. He has a great arm. I'll be rooting for him.

I am too. I saw him in ST 2-3 years ago when he was on his Rule 5 odyssey with another team. He had electric stuff that day, and I was thrilled to get him back.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Charlie Morton will make his second rehab start Tuesday with Triple-A Fresno, A.J. Hinch said. He is scheduled for 3-4 innings.

[Nate Colbert]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

[das]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

Great news.  I wish I was there to see it.  would love to see what his yacker looks like.

[Fredia]

light at the end of the tunnel

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Charlie Morton will make his second rehab start Tuesday with Triple-A Fresno, A.J. Hinch said. He is scheduled for 3-4 innings.

47 pitches, 29 strikes, 4 scoreless innings.

[JimR]

47 pitches, 29 strikes, 4 scoreless innings.

Great news!

[Reuben]

Great news!

It sure is. According to this little blurb, he "will require at least one more rehab start before returning to the Astros' rotation. The Astros are targeting a return before the All-Star break".

[Nate Colbert]

It sure is. According to this little blurb, he "will require at least one more rehab start before returning to the Astros' rotation.

Not necessarily.

[Nate Colbert]

It was decided that Morton would make one more rehab start on Sunday for Corpus.

If all goes well, should rejoin Astros and pitch in the Toronto series next weekend.

[Nate Colbert]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

After he struggled in the rain last night in Walmart Country...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 28m ago
Collin McHugh says 1st rehab start went well, no pain, normal soreness. Expects to go again Wed in Corpus. Needs at least 2 more then assess

[JimR]

After he struggled in the rain last night in Walmart Country...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 28m ago
Collin McHugh says 1st rehab start went well, no pain, normal soreness. Expects to go again Wed in Corpus. Needs at least 2 more then assess

Results don't matter much. It is all about how he feels.

[Lefty]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

The other 4 AL West teams are 5 games over .500 outside of the division, and 18 games under vs the Stros.

[Nate Colbert]

Charlie Morton's last rehab tuneup:

74 pitches, 50 strikes, 4.1 IP w/5 whiffs, 2 walks, 1 hit.

[Nate Colbert]

Morton to pitch Friday in Toronto.

Keuchel to get on mound this week/weekend. Will require at least one rehab outing before making return to rotation.

Musgrove being recalled and will start tomorrow's game (McCullers being pushed to Thursday's opener against BJs.)

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh tonight for CC: 53 pitches, 37 strikes, 5 whiffs over 3.2 IP with all 3 hits allowed (including 1 HR) all coming in the last inning.

[jbm]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

[doyce7]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

Assuming no setbacks I'd say 2 maybe 3. You'd probably want to see him go to 75-80 pitches twice before you can really feel good about it.

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

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[austro]

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

A trade might help with that problem.

[Nate Colbert]

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

No move needed--they're at 39.

[doyce7]

No move needed--they're at 39.

I must have missed it

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[das]

Assuming no setbacks I'd say 2 maybe 3. You'd probably want to see him go to 75-80 pitches twice before you can really feel good about it.

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

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Maybe 3 or more. I'm assuming he'll get to the normal ST dead arm period. Should not come back until after that resolves.

[Nate Colbert]

No move needed--they're at 39.

I must have missed it.

Guys on the Restricted List don't count towards the 40-man roster, so when Paulino got busted for PEDs that opened up a spot.

[doyce7]

Guys on the Restricted List don't count towards the 40-man roster, so when Paulino got busted for PEDs that opened up a spot.

That's a rule I was not aware of, thank you.

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[Lefty]

Keuchel's got a bullpen session scheduled for today.

[Nate Colbert]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

Luhnow on the pre-game show today: McHugh will make the rehab start for CC tomorrow and then comes back to Houston where they'll evaluate things but suspects he'll need one more rehab start after that.

[Waldo]

McHugh's outing in Corpus tonight: 4.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 74 pitches (47 strikes)

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 5m ago
Collin McHugh tentatively scheduled for his final rehab start Sunday at Corpus Christi. He's set for roughly six innings and 90-95 pitches.

[WVastro]

I don't know what it is, but every time I see a new post in this thread I click on it with absolute dread...

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

[JimR]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

Announced on the post-game show too. We need pitching.

[Reuben]

I don't know what it is, but every time I see a new post in this thread I click on it with absolute dread...

Well...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2m ago
Dallas Keuchel will pitch Monday night in Corpus Christi. AJ Hinch hopeful Dallas will get in at least 2 innings.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2m ago
Dallas Keuchel will pitch Monday night in Corpus Christi. AJ Hinch hopeful Dallas will get in at least 2 innings.

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 4m ago
Dallas Keuchel: "I feel like a normal person again."

[Navin R Johnson]

 Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs. Neck feels totally fine

[WVastro]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 4m ago
Dallas Keuchel: "I feel like a normal person again."

Speaking as someone with chronic disc issues. This is a familiar and very encouraging statement!

[Navin R Johnson]

Speaking as a not normal person, congrats Keuchel!

[JimR]

Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs. Neck feels totally fine

Please, please, please

[chuck]

Neck feels totally fine

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

[moriartp]

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

If only nominations were a thing.

[Nate Colbert]

Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs.

At least two, maybe three Luhnow said today.

[Lefty]

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

But other than rolling his joints all wrong, what's the problem?

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

[Fredia]

hello 

[JimR]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

If McHugh returns to be an effective pitcher, it is like a trade.

[austro]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

Boy, strong performances from McHugh would be a real godsend.

[Nate Colbert]

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

[Lefty]

Not that it's the be-all-end-all, but how hard was he throwing?

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

hello

was me your looking for

[Fredia]

 i did not mean hello as hi i meant it as HELLO

[Nate Colbert]

Not that it's the be-all-end-all, but how hard was he throwing?

90-92, says twitter today.

[jbm]

With him, it is always about that breaking ball.  Throwing it for strikes and having it difficult to square up.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

... HELLO

How are you? Have you been alright...

[Nate Colbert]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

[Bench]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

What a bummer of an injury. 

[Duke]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

[WVastro]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

It's going to be re-evaluated today. I have a bad feeling about this one...

[MusicMan]

It's going to be re-evaluated today. I have a bad feeling about this one...

Just praying there's no surgery. If it's rest and recovery, we can handle that.


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[Reuben]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

Wasn't that the same digit he hurt sliding head-first into home a couple weeks ago? Possibly related?

[MusicMan]

Wasn't that the same digit he hurt sliding head-first into home a couple weeks ago? Possibly related?

Yes, same thumb, and he said it has hurt since, but yesterday was worse.

[Reuben]

Yes, same thumb, and he said it has hurt since, but yesterday was worse.

Which raises the question, why the fuck was he playing?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Which raises the question, why the fuck was he playing?

It probably wasn't hurting too bad until he hyper-extended it on the swing. I've can attest to how an injury like that can linger and is easy to re-aggravate. You may feel fine and then the slightest twist or bump can be very painful and set back the recovery time.

[juliogotay]

It probably wasn't hurting too bad until he hyper-extended it on the swing. I've can attest to how an injury like that can linger and is easy to re-aggravate. You may feel fine and then the slightest twist or bump can be very painful and set back the recovery time.

I'll be surprised if a DL stint isn't in order. I'd rather see him sit and get this healed than for it to be in his mind the remainder.

[Duman]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

When that 34+ ounce bat is coming around at a high degree of force, the thumb is all that is holding it in your hand.  It takes all the strain. 

[MusicMan]

I'll be surprised if a DL stint isn't in order. I'd rather see him sit and get this healed than for it to be in his mind the remainder.

+1


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

As goofy as those oven-mitt looking hand protectors are, there is a good reason why a lot of guys are wearing them these days. I would suggest that anyone who slides head first should wear one when on base.

[Reuben]

As goofy as those oven-mitt looking hand protectors are, there is a good reason why a lot of guys are wearing them these days. I would suggest that anyone who slides head first should wear one when on base.

I was taking with this guy at a pickup softball game the other day who surprised us all by sliding head-first into second. He said he was never taught how to slide feet-first and has never done it. I think he's in his late 40's.

[Navin R Johnson]

Sounds like Moran is up....

[Navin R Johnson]

Correa out 6-8 weeks   FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[hostros7]

This is sad news. He had really turned it on. Fuck.


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[WVastro]

That fucking sucks.

So I presume Bregman moves to short, Moran at third. Time to see what this team is made of.

[Navin R Johnson]

I'm for Bregman to SS, but I hope we see a lot more Marwin than we do Moran.

[MusicMan]

Just praying there's no surgery. If it's rest and recovery, we can handle that.


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Fuuuuuuuuuuck me.


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[WVastro]

I hate this thread.

[Reuben]

I'm for Bregman to SS, but I hope we see a lot more Marwin than we do Moran.

Same here, although he has really been lighting it up with Fresno. Marwin might continue to play a lot of LF.

It sucks though, no way around it. Have to hope Correa comes back in time to re-find his groove.

[Navin R Johnson]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

[doyce7]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

I expect this will be the norm

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[chuck]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

Not surprising. They had the same alignment the other day. I would imagine Marwin will effectively become the everyday shortstop.

[hostros7]

My guess is that Marwin gets the most starts at SS and Bregman stays at 3B (but moves to SS when Moran occasionally starts at 3B), but it will be interesting to see what the team does because I think you can argue it both ways. Since Moran bats left, you don't get a match-up benefit of playing a LH/RH batter platoon with Marwin at 3B based on the opposing pitcher.


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[BlownRanger]

My guess is that Marwin gets the most starts at SS and Bregman stays at 3B (but moves to SS when Moran occasionally starts at 3B), but it will be interesting to see what the team does because I think you can argue it both ways. Since Moran bats left, you don't get a match-up benefit of playing a LH/RH batter platoon with Marwin at 3B based on the opposing pitcher.


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Moran will get the occasional start at 3B, but I suspect Marwin and Bregman are pretty much "everyday" players while Correa is out.

[jbm]

So, is it definitely Moran and not Kemp coming up?

[hostros7]

So, is it definitely Moran and not Kemp coming up?

Yes. Moran is already in Houston. He found out last night.


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[BudGirl]

My positive spin.

That which does not kill them makes them stronger.  Key players will be well-rested for a possible play off run.  Good game experience for Moran.

[JimR]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

[MusicMan]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

Aggravated that same injury


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[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 47m ago
Hinch says he'll continue to shift Marwin Gonzalez around as Correa's on the DL. Alex Bregman will, in fact, play some shortstop, eventually.

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 58m ago
AJ Hinch says Marwin Gonzalez and Alex Bregman will split time at short. Colin Moran and perhaps Yuli Gurriel could get time at 3rd.

[Nate Colbert]

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

Will start Saturday.

[moriartp]

My positive spin.

That which does not kill them makes them stronger.  Key players will be well-rested for a possible play off run.  Good game experience for Moran.

That's my best-case hope for Keuchel and McHugh. Two strong postseason* starters without a season's worth of fatigue on their arms.

*ITMI

[juliogotay]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

yes, swing and miss.

[LonghornCDR]

I have confidence this team will still do well, but my initial reaction to the Correa news was "gloom, despair, and agony on me."

I feel terrible for him.   

[Nate Colbert]

Confirming what Luhnow said on Sunday...

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 53s ago
Also, Dallas Keuchel will require another rehab start. It's yet to be decided when and where.

[toddthebod]

I understand wanting to play Marwin and Bregman all the time, but Frankly, I'd like see what Moran can do.  He's crushed AAA this season. 

[Reuben]

I understand wanting to play Marwin and Bregman all the time, but Frankly, I'd like see what Moran can do.  He's crushed AAA this season.

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

[juliogotay]

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

Luhnow has always been a Moran fan.

[Reuben]

Luhnow has always been a Moran.

-Cardinals fan.

FIFY

[HudsonHawk]

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year. 

[juliogotay]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year.

Lord, I hope that Moran fellow doesn't play.  Only got a 15 game lead.

[VirtualBob]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year.

This.

[BudGirl]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year. 

Sparks and Ford said it best the other night.  These guys may never hit like this again in their career, you gotta go for it.   They also want Peacock back in the pen for long relief because they think that is a weakness of the pen now.  Which also means they need a starter.

Sparks and Ford are a must listen if you have the opportunity.  They are gems!

[Nate Colbert]

Correa had his surgery this morning.

[Jacksonian]

Sparks and Ford said it best the other night.  These guys may never hit like this again in their career, you gotta go for it.   They also want Peacock back in the pen for long relief because they think that is a weakness of the pen now.  Which also means they need a starter.

Sparks and Ford are a must listen if you have the opportunity.  They are gems!

I think first Musgrove goes down.  Then Peacock back to the pen.  That would put them back to Keuchel, McCullers, Morton, Fiers with McHugh.  When Harris returns Martes goes down.

[homer]

I think first Musgrove goes down.  Then Peacock back to the pen.  That would put them back to Keuchel, McCullers, Morton, Fiers with McHugh.  When Harris returns Martes goes down.

Hoyt over Martes?

[Jacksonian]

Hoyt over Martes?

As far as I can see there are three guys in the bullpen right now who are clearly at the bottom of the pecking order: Hoyt, Martes, and Guduan.  Harris replaces one and a trade or two for bullpen arms replaces the others.  That's my expectation.

[Nate Colbert]

"Astros reliever Will Harris will not come off the disabled list on Friday, when he is eligible to return from a bone bruise in his right shoulder, or pitch in the weekend series against the Baltimore Orioles."

"On Wednesday, Harris said he does not feel any discomfort in his shoulder and that the inflammation was gone, but the medical staff has prolonged his rest period to ensure he is fully healed."

Link

[AstroNut]

Did they not say Correa required surgery....I say the sooner the better...hopefully yesterday. ..any news ?

[WVastro]

Did they not say Correa required surgery....I say the sooner the better...hopefully yesterday. ..any news ?

Five posts up.

[Fredia]

does that mean he can come back  this season or was the earlier estimate of time on dl without the surgery

[doyce7]

does that mean he can come back  this season or was the earlier estimate of time on dl without the surgery

6-8 weeks is with surgery I believe. Not sure what the other options were

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[JimR]

6-8 weeks is with surgery I believe. Not sure what the other options were

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He is Trout. Same injury, same procedure.

[Nate Colbert]

Confirming what Luhnow said on Sunday...

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 53s ago
Also, Dallas Keuchel will require another rehab start. It's yet to be decided when and where.

 Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

[Bench]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Keuchel also said that if this one also goes well the next start will be for the Astros. 

[juliogotay]

Bregman to see some time at SS in Baltimore this weekend.

[Texifornia]

MLB.com schedule has McHugh as probable starter for Saturday. Hope I'm not Cabrerraing.

[Nate Colbert]

MLB.com schedule has McHugh as probable starter for Saturday. Hope I'm not Cabrerraing.

No, not at all...

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

Will start Saturday.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

[Bench]

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

I remember Orel Hershiser making a rehab start in San Antonio in 1990 or so.  They crowd and the players were absolutely electric.  After the game there were throngs of people waiting to get Orel's autograph and as the crowd started to overwhelm him he elbowed some guy in the face and ran back into the clubhouse.  Big time rehab assignments are a lot of fun.

[Jacksonian]

I remember Orel Hershiser making a rehab start in San Antonio in 1990 or so.  They crowd and the players were absolutely electric.  After the game there were throngs of people waiting to get Orel's autograph and as the crowd started to overwhelm him he elbowed some guy in the face and ran back into the clubhouse.  Big time rehab assignments are a lot of fun.

Corpus was packed for Kuechel's start on Monday.

[MusicMan]

Three years ago, could you have imagined that Collin McHugh's return would bolster a rotation that led the league in ERA?


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[HudsonHawk]

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

The teammates of the rehabbing player love it too. Tradition dictates that a Major Leaguer on rehab pays for the post game spread, and it's usually quite the treat.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

Keuchel whizzed thru the first 3 innings, tossing 30 pitches (26 for strikes) while allowing just a single and a HBP. 32 pitches to get thru the 4th and 5th innings. Overall, 62 pitches, 48 strikes 5 IP 3 H 1 R 0 W 5 K. 8 groundouts, 1 flyout, 1 popout.

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 7m ago
Keuchel will meet back up with the Astros tomorrow in Baltimore. If team determines he's ready, he could start Fri. or Sat. at Detroit.

[austro]

26 out of 30 pitches for strikes? I wonder if the minor-league umps start out a little star-struck, too.

[Nate Colbert]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

[JimR]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

Probably both

[Uncle Charlie]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

[Nate Colbert]

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

That would be my guess.

[Navin R Johnson]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

As for call ups,my money is on Kemp or Fisher.   

[HudsonHawk]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

As for call ups,my money is on Kemp or Fisher.

It'll have to be someone who can play 3B or SS.  Not sure Kemp or Fisher qualify. 

[austro]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

The only comparable thing I can remember is a time when Steve Ontiveros fouled a ball straight down off the plate, and it bounced straight back up hit him in the jaw (I think) It may even have knocked him out briefly.

[MusicMan]

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

Confirmed.


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[MusicMan]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

White will mainly play 1b so Gurriel may see a few reps at 3b.


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[austro]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

That's good news physically, but I worry about what the psychological effects might be. The first time somebody throws a breaking pitch in on his hands again is going to be scary.

[Jacksonian]

That's good news physically, but I worry about what the psychological effects might be. The first time somebody throws a breaking pitch in on his hands again is going to be scary.

He may go with one of those face guards from now on.

[JimR]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

White will mainly play 1b so Gurriel may see a few reps at 3b.


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I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

[juliogotay]

I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

White can play 3rd. He was being groomed as a utility guy in AAA even playing SS. Don't understand him being limited.

[JimR]

White can play 3rd. He was being groomed as a utility guy in AAA even playing SS. Don't understand him being limited.

I know that. Read what Hinch said.

[gundy315]

He may go with one of those face guards from now on.

It hit him under the left eye. The face guards like those worn by Marwin and Correa wouldn't have prevented this injury.  But, yes, it's still probably a good idea. I don't see why all guys don't wear them. 

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[juliogotay]

I know that. Read what Hinch said.

I know what Hinch said.  I don't understand why they are thinking that.

[moriartp]

They'll all be wearing cricket-style guards before too long.

[BudGirl]

I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

Injury bug is coming for the Astros with a vengenance.  If they can survive this this team is destined for greatness.  But they really need some pitching because the bullpen is showing wear.

[WVastro]

The Dodgers may be dealing with the injury bug now too. Kershaw exited after the second inning today with lower back stiffness. He missed 2 1/2 months last year due to a herniated disc in his lower back.

[austro]

The Dodgers may be dealing with the injury bug now too. Kershaw exited after the second inning today with lower back stiffness. He missed 2 1/2 months last year due to a herniated disc in his lower back.

Apparently Strasburg left after two innings today, too. I was watching the 2nd inning for a while, and his control was terrible and he was clearly uncomfortable. I don't know who the announcing crew was, but they were saying that people are getting fed with him, and that somebody has given him the nickname "The Orchid" because everything has to be perfect for him to flourish, while Scherzer would take the hill with bones sticking out of his arm.

[JimR]

The disturbing this about McCullers today is his total lack of control and command. "All over the place" is an apt description.

[BudGirl]

The disturbing this about McCullers today is his total lack of control and command. "All over the place" is an apt description.

I was thinking he needs counseling by a former pitcher (Ryan, Clemens, etc.) that could tell him how to get the "mother fuckers" out.  Just someone with good experience that he might listen.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Will Harris will pitch in a rehab game somewhere Wednesday, could be activated this weekend in Detroit.

[JimR]

I was thinking he needs counseling by a former pitcher (Ryan, Clemens, etc.) that could tell him how to get the "mother fuckers" out.  Just someone with good experience that he might listen.

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

[Nate Colbert]

Springer day to day w/the left quad discomfort.

Derek Fisher being called up and will be in the lineup Tuesday.

[BudGirl]

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

I do not disagree, but I am assuming  he is not.

[jbm]

Springer day to day w/the left quad discomfort.

Derek Fisher being called up and will be in the lineup Tuesday.

I don't understand.  Does this mean Springer is going to the DL and if not, who is Fisher replacing?

[jbm]

Nevermind.  I see that Hoyt was demoted.

[Fredia]

there has a been a lot of that called for on the net lately

[Mr. Happy]

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

This. And the petulant twerp needs to grow the fuck up.

[Navin R Johnson]

Nevermind.  I see that Hoyt was demoted.

Also, AJ said they were making the move because he wants more options on the bench since they are playing a NL team...

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

This. And the petulant twerp needs to grow the fuck up.

He needs to pitch better. What ever it takes.

[Lefty]

He needs to pitch better. What ever it takes.

Get that ERA down to 2.20, 2.21

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Get that ERA down to 2.20, 2.21

Maybe if McCullers spent less time focusing on that ridiculously cool carefully coiffed pate, and more time on focusing on keeping his cool on the mound, he could start getting that ERA down some.

[MusicMan]

Maybe if McCullers spent less time focusing on that ridiculously cool carefully coiffed pate, and more time on focusing on keeping his cool on the mound, he could start getting that ERA down some.

Shave his head. How do you think our catchers started hitting so well?


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[Nate Colbert]

Bregman day to day with that right hammy tightness.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 3m ago
More on Springer, Bregman's injuries from #Astros GM Jeff Luhnow: "I'm expecting both of them to be back for the Detroit series."

Full statement from Luhnow

[Andyzipp]

Keuchel will be activated and start Friday in Detroit.

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris retired all 3 batters he faced tonight in his rehab outing for Buies Creek (including two whiffs). He's also scheduled to be activated on Friday.

[Nate Colbert]

With Keuchel's activation, the MLB transactions page says Michael Feliz has been sent down to CC.

[HudsonHawk]

Will Harris retired all 3 batters he faced tonight in his rehab outing for Buies Creek (including two whiffs). He's also scheduled to be activated on Friday.

Sure would be nice to get the 2015 Will Harris back for the stretch run. He was balls.

[jwhudson]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

[Bench]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

Logistics, man.  It's kind of Crane's deal.

[JimR]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

did you see Hinch talking to him last game? he would have sent him to Low A if he could.

[hostros7]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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[JimR]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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yep. Hinch said he and Bregman would probably play tonight.

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris also activated as expected.

[Jacksonian]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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That will likely take Fisher off the trade table.