Rogue One (Spoilers...probably)

[Limey]

A thoroughly entertaining movie, laced with detail that ties it firmly into the main story but, importantly, used for the purpose of moving the plot (not to stiffen fan boys' pants).   

It connects backwards and forwards perfectly, and leads us to the moment immediately prior to the opening scene of EpIV.   Even the scroll on EpIV works (I checked).  They did a brilliant job with this - a light year from the clumsy efforts on the prequels that shall not be named. 

So it's part EpIV Pt 1 and it's part Saving Private Ryan.  Remember that "many Bothans died" to bring news to the 2nd Death Star; well that takes on a far greater and deeper meaning once you've seen Rogue One!

My only question is:  where do you watch this in the sequence?


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[MusicMan]

My only nit to pick with how it connects to IV:

At the start of IV, the stormtroopers blow the door and fire at all the rebels before Vader makes his entrance.

That is NOT the Vader we saw here.


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[Limey]

My only nit to pick with how it connects to IV:

At the start of IV, the stormtroopers blow the door and fire at all the rebels before Vader makes his entrance.

That is NOT the Vader we saw here.

Agreed.  Of course, that was a different boarding, so perhaps he decided to let the boys have all the fun when they run down Leia's ship at the start of IV. 

I LOVED the reprise (?) of Red and Gold leaders.  Makes sense as the Death Star battle is in the same time frame.  Maybe the same week.  Thought they could've put Biggs in there somehow, as he's part of Red Squadron at the same time.  Nit...picked. 

Overall, the continuity was pretty flawless.  Contrast that to how badly it was botched for I to III. 

[Mike S.]

These were less Rebel spies, more Rebel commandos.  Think the movie would've been far better with  the inclusion of the former, maybe fleshing out Mads Mikkelson's character in greater detail.  Still, a great movie and a hell of a lot of fun.

(ETA: agreed about Vader - actually found the last scene/sequence a bit too clumsy of a set up.)

[Jacksonian]

Contrast that to how badly it was botched for I to III.

Well, there's the whole "not having Lucas around" effect.

[Ebby Calvin]

Finally saw it last night - loved it.  I did my best to avoid spoilers and came away very pleased.  Some of the best aerial fighting I've ever seen (although by Dunkirk's trailer, it may surpass it).  I loved Darth's scene at the end.

My only question is:  where do you watch this in the sequence?

I don't understand this?  I know you know where the movie falls chronologically, so I'd assume you watch the sequence in its proper order: Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII.  I don't know of any other Star Wars films, so I can't imagine any other way.

As far as ranking things go, I may prefer Rogue One to Force Awakens.

[MusicMan]

I can't compare this to Ep7 until we know if that effectively set up the new trilogy or was just a great nostalgia kick.


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[Limey]

I don't understand this?  I know you know where the movie falls chronologically, so I'd assume you watch the sequence in its proper order: Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII.  I don't know of any other Star Wars films, so I can't imagine any other way.

I agree...partially...in that I was thinking about how you show Star Wars to the yet unborn people who haven't seen any of it.  R1 is such a throwback to IV that a lot of the high points work only as nostalgia to those who have already seen IV.  For example, the closing shot of Leia receiving the plans is a fist pump moment, but only if you know who she is.  If you haven't seen IV-VI, you'll be left wondering WTF just happened.

For such moments alone - like not getting a blast out of the appearance of Red and Gold squadron leaders - it's worth putting R1 towards the back end.  So, my personal running order for a newbie would be IV, II, V, III, VI, R1 (because you need a gap before...) VII.  For me, I came home and watched IV right after seeing R1, and I think it will be hard not to watch these two back-to-back going forward.

As far as ranking things go, I may prefer Rogue One to Force Awakens.

Right now I do.  I watched VII right after IV, and the gaping plot holes in VII really started to grate.  Having seen R1 dovetail to IV almost seamlessly, Han miraculously being in the right place in the whole fucking galaxy to find the Falcon and R2 waking up at exactly the right time for no apparent reason (the two most glaring holes) grated on me more than before.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Han miraculously being in the right place in the whole fucking galaxy to find the Falcon and R2 waking up at exactly the right time for no apparent reason (the two most glaring holes) grated on me more than before.

Yeah, but those Jawas delivering the droids to the EXACT moisture farmer was pretty serendipitous too.

[moriartp]

I think someone involved with the production has said Luke activated R2 somehow. I hate that explanation, honestly, because it just creates worse problems for the story.

[Ebby Calvin]

The only two plot pieces that bother me about VII are:
Rey being amazing at everything she does for the first time (Falcon, lightsaber, force usage, etc), and
Kylo magically appearing wherever he wants at the end (from killing Han to facing off against Rey/Finn).

I was fine with VII having the same basic timeline/plot as IV as well, but at this point I think the Empire/Kights of Ren/bad guys need to think a little outside the Death Star.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

How does it work as a stand alone feature? If someone had never seen a Star Wars movie, would they be able to follow along or would the be wondering WTF is going on?

[Limey]

How does it work as a stand alone feature? If someone had never seen a Star Wars movie, would they be able to follow along or would the be wondering WTF is going on?

I think Vader would confuse the fuck out of someone initiated. Otherwise, I think it would be ok. 

[WVastro]

I think Vader would confuse the fuck out of someone initiated. Otherwise, I think it would be ok.

I'd also imagine the unaware viewer might wonder why in the hell they decided to use cgi on two human characters.

[Limey]

Yeah, but those Jawas delivering the droids to the EXACT moisture farmer was pretty serendipitous too.

Well, they were already heading to Tatooine so they were already on the correct planet...

I read an overarching cop-out explanation that the Force puts the players where they need to be.  Umm...sure!

[Limey]

The only two plot pieces that bother me about VII are:
Rey being amazing at everything she does for the first time (Falcon, lightsaber, force usage, etc), and
Kylo magically appearing wherever he wants at the end (from killing Han to facing off against Rey/Finn).

I was fine with VII having the same basic timeline/plot as IV as well, but at this point I think the Empire/Kights of Ren/bad guys need to think a little outside the Death Star.

To defend Abrams a little here...we do not know Rey's background, so her life as a scavenger and other experiences as yet unseen must have prepped her for what she can now do.  She was intent on waiting for someone on Jaku, presumably family or guardian, and they may have "tought her well".  Think back to Luke, and how he takes to blasters and the Falcon's gun battery and X-Wings and all that having grown up a simple farm boy.

As to Force usage, the obvious intent is that she is the awakening of the title, and her powers are mostly unknown to her (but may have been operating in the background, guiding her flying, for example).  Rey's ability to best Ren in a light saber duel was as much due to him carrying a gut wound from Chewie's uber-powerful bow-caster (they labour that point a few times).  Contrast that fight to Finn's effort, in which Ren dispatches him at will after Finn clips him and Ren stops playing and gets serious.  After that, Rey is losing the fight horribly until she draws on her rookie Force powers, and we'd already seen during her interrogation that she is more powerful than he is.

As for Kylo being where he needs to be at the end, he needed to find Han (and could likely sense him) as killing his Dad was his plan for purging what good was left in him.  After that, he was already where Rey was, had seen her, and he was then after her to bring her over to his way of thinking.

There's lots wrong with all of the movies (the timeline in Empire - the best of them - is supremely fucked up), but I don't think your two are among the more egregious plot holes.  Like...has anyone figured out how Max had Anakin's light saber when it was last seen disappearing down one of Star Wars' patented bottomless air shafts with Luke's right hand attached to it?  He certainly didn't retrieve it at the time!

[MusicMan]

Like...has anyone figured out how Max had Anakin's light saber when it was last seen disappearing down one of Star Wars' patented bottomless air shafts with Luke's right hand attached to it?  He certainly didn't retrieve it at the time!

The original opening to TFA was Luke's hand, still attached to the light saber, tumbling through space and landing on Max's planet.

[Limey]

The original opening to TFA was Luke's hand, still attached to the light saber, tumbling through space and landing on Max's planet.

Must be true.  It was already pre-spoofed in Spaceballs.

[Limey]

I think someone involved with the production has said Luke activated R2 somehow. I hate that explanation, honestly, because it just creates worse problems for the story.

Agreed.

Also, they should've cut the ending at the point where Rey and Chewie hit hyperspace.  Luke's reveal is awkward AF and a major yawn / ball-kicking.  If they were going to leave us hanging, better to have it with the is he / isn't he at the end of the map question, not the "what's up with that aging troll" question.

[MikeyBoy]

I took my son to see Rogue One this evening and I thought it was fantastic. I do have a couple of questions for the board as some of you have firmer grip on the storyline than myself.

1. What is the timeline from the start of Star Wars through The Return of the Jedi? Are we talking weeks, months, years?
2. The only part of Rogue One that confused me is what is Jimy Smits going to Endor to do and how does that tie into Star Wars, etc.?

[drew corleone]

I believe that SW through Jedi is supposed to be 3-4 years. And I think that Smits was going to Alderaan, not Endor.

[drew corleone]

According to Wookiepedia, Jedi takes place 4 years after SW and 6 months after Empire. The prequels end 19 years before the original trilogy, and Force comes 30 years after Jedi.

[WVastro]

I believe that SW through Jedi is supposed to be 3-4 years. And I think that Smits was going to Alderaan, not Endor.

And Alderaan gets a "demonstration of the full power of this station" by Tarkin in A New Hope pretty early on. So it was a moment where the audience memeber is supposed to say "no! Don't go there!" Bail Organa got blown to smitereens... (sorry for that one)

[BizidyDizidy]

I took my son to see Rogue One this evening and I thought it was fantastic. I do have a couple of questions for the board as some of you have firmer grip on the storyline than myself.

1. What is the timeline from the start of Star Wars through The Return of the Jedi? Are we talking weeks, months, years?
2. The only part of Rogue One that confused me is what is Jimy Smits going to Endor to do and how does that tie into Star Wars, etc.?

Jimmy Smits is going to Alderaan to report to the Senate what the Emperor is up to. Also, he's going to get blown the fuck up.

Timingwise - should be a few weeks from the end of zrogue One to the first destruction of the Death Star. End of Return of the Jedi is about 4 years later.

[Navin R Johnson]

Saw it last night, I thought it was fantastic.   I enjoyed it more than The Force Awakens (which I really liked).

I'd love to watch R1 and the original back to back. 

[HudsonHawk]

How does it work as a stand alone feature? If someone had never seen a Star Wars movie, would they be able to follow along or would the be wondering WTF is going on?

I saw the first one when I was a kid.  I've been tempted to see the last few, but figured if I didn't see II or III, I wouldn't understand IV, V or VI.  I certainly wouldn't understand VII. 

[Knoxbanedoodle]

According to Wookiepedia, Jedi takes place 4 years after SW and 6 months after Empire. The prequels end 19 years before the original trilogy, and Force comes 30 years after Jedi.

So this would indicate that the decrepit old man who implores Luke to tell his sister he was right about him was in the ballpark of, what, 45?

[Navin R Johnson]

I saw the first one when I was a kid.  I've been tempted to see the last few, but figured if I didn't see II or III, I wouldn't understand IV, V or VI.  I certainly wouldn't understand VII. 

I absolutely loved Star Wars, Empire and ROJ.  My christmas as a kid were filled with opening various SW related toys. 

I, II, III just never interested me.  Never went to the movies to see them, tried watching them at home, but I don't think I made it through any of them.    Am I missing something by not seeing them?  They don't seem very necessary to understanding the plots of R1 thru Force Awakens.

[WVastro]

I absolutely loved Star Wars, Empire and ROJ.  My christmas as a kid were filled with opening various SW related toys. 

I, II, III just never interested me.  Never went to the movies to see them, tried watching them at home, but I don't think I made it through any of them.    Am I missing something by not seeing them?  They don't seem very necessary to understanding the plots of R1 thru Force Awakens.

I see ep. I&II as children's movies. I always hated them but once I watched them through the eyes of my (at the time) 6 year old I found a new appreciation for them. They certainly got her excited about the series. They're actually jam packed with "story" they just are fatally flawed in certain aspects.

[MusicMan]

I see ep. I&II as children's movies. I always hated them but once I watched them through the eyes of my (at the time) 6 year old I found a new appreciation for them. They certainly got her excited about the series. They're actually jam packed with "story" they just are fatally flawed in certain aspects.

Lucas clearly considered the prequels children's movies. The problem with that is twofold:

1. He also clearly said they were the story of Anakin's downfall. If you're telling a downfall story whose endpoint is known, that's tragedy. Anyone know of any good children's tragedies?
2. Children's stories don't include someone getting simultaneously amputated and barbecued.


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[HudsonHawk]

I absolutely loved Star Wars, Empire and ROJ.  My christmas as a kid were filled with opening various SW related toys. 

I, II, III just never interested me.  Never went to the movies to see them, tried watching them at home, but I don't think I made it through any of them.    Am I missing something by not seeing them?  They don't seem very necessary to understanding the plots of R1 thru Force Awakens.

See, I thought SW, Empire and ROJ were I, II and III.  I get confused when I hear that the movie I saw 40 years ago is actually number V (or whatever it is), and that I was actually made in 2010 (or whenever it was made).  Makes no sense. 

And yes, the original Star Wars (whichever "episode" fans consider it) is a fine kid's movie.  I outgrew it before Empire, and have had no interest in anything since. 

[Limey]

I'd love to watch R1 and the original back to back.

I did this - mostly to check the continuity with the opening scroll but then ended up watching it because...why TF not?.  Other than the rebel "spies" mentioned in the scroll are more like "mercenaries" (as has been mentioned), it dovetails exceptionally well.  I didn't notice any glaring continuity issues, except...

As has been mentioned above, the Vader we see in Ep IV is a lot more passive than the Vader we see in R1.  If I had a criticism, it would be that we see him trashing - single-handedly - the defense of a star cruiser, which is much bigger than Leia's "Tantive IV" that later he let be taken by Storm Troopers.  It is a great scene, but does lead to this juxtaposition with Ep IV.

[HudsonHawk]

And now Princess Leia is gone.  Carrie Fisher dead at 60. 

[Limey]

I saw the first one when I was a kid.  I've been tempted to see the last few, but figured if I didn't see II or III, I wouldn't understand IV, V or VI.  I certainly wouldn't understand VII.

I, II, III just never interested me.  Never went to the movies to see them, tried watching them at home, but I don't think I made it through any of them.    Am I missing something by not seeing them?  They don't seem very necessary to understanding the plots of R1 thru Force Awakens.

You can, very easily, skip I, II and III.  They were afterthoughts (as is R1) and do not add to the enjoyment of IV, V and VI.  The only time you'll be a mite confused is at the very end of VI, when you won't know who TF the third force ghost is (it's a young Vader who you won't have seen) and that the galaxy-wide celebration involves a bunch of planets / species that, similarly, you haven't seen.

Ironically, Ep I is the worst of the lot, but if you skip it, you miss out on Liam Neeson as the most perfect incarnation of a Jedi as you could imagine.  That, and Darth Maul, and the totally kick-ass 2 Jedi vs. 1 Sith light-saber duel of the fates.  Oh, and the pod race is mindlessly entertaining.  Unfortunately, most everything else is so bad it'll make you want to smash furniture.  There is little if anything redeeming in II and III, and they are so ham-fisted in the way they connect to the story already in place in IV onwards that it makes you wonder if Lucas had a memory wipe or something.

So, do watch V and VI (on VHS or laser disk if possible to avoid the special editions).  Then go watch R1 and revel in the authenticity how it cleaves to the lore of the original trilogy.  It's also a damn good movie (if a little draggy in the middle).

[Limey]

SHITFUCK

Leia died today.  RIP Carrie Fisher.

[HudsonHawk]

You can, very easily, skip I, II and III.  They were afterthoughts (as is R1) and do not add to the enjoyment of Iv, V and VI.  The only time you'll be a mite confused is at the very end of VI, when you won't know who TF the third force ghost is (it's a young Vader who you won't have seen) and that the galaxy-wide celebration involves a bunch of planets / species that, similarly, you haven't seen.

Ironically, Ep I is the worst of the lot, but if you skip it, you miss out on Liam Neeson as the most perfect incarnation of a Jedi as you could imagine.  That, and Darth Maul, and the totally kick-ass 2 Jedi vs. 1 Sith light-saber duel of the fates.  Oh, and the pod race is mindlessly entertaining.  Unfortunately, most everything else is so bad it'll make you want to smash furniture.  There is little if anything redeeming in II and III, and they are so ham-fisted in the way they connect to the story already in place in IV onwards that it makes you wonder if Lucas had a memory wipe or something.

So, do watch V and VI (on VHS or laser disk if possible to avoid the special editions).  Then go watch R1 and revel in the authenticity how it cleaves to the lore of the original trilogy.  It's also a damn good movie (if a little draggy in the middle).

I will have to make a cheat sheet to remind which "episode" is which.  The original Star Wars is IV, Empire Strikes Back is V and Return of the Jedi is VI, correct?  This new one is VIII?

[Limey]

I will have to make a cheat sheet to remind which "episode" is which.  The original Star Wars is IV, Empire Strikes Back is V and Return of the Jedi is VI, correct?  This new one is VIII?

Bingo!

SW, Empire and Jedi are the "original trilogy".  Moe, Larry and Curly episodes I, II and III are the "prequels".  Not sure there's a collective for VII onwards, as it's only VII for now.

The shorthand for each is to take the main distinguishing noun from the title:

1.  The Phantom Menace
2.  Attack of the Clones
3.  Return of the Sith (an apt anagram)
4.  A New Hope
5.  The Empire Strikes Back
6.  Return of the Jedi
7.  The Force Awakens (not sure about this one...)

[drew corleone]

So this would indicate that the decrepit old man who implores Luke to tell his sister he was right about him was in the ballpark of, what, 45?

Yeah. I have read some of the more ardent fanboys say that all the life support and such needed to keep him going after Mustafar aged him considerably. But ardent fanboys have been known to make mistakes. From time to time.

[drew corleone]

I absolutely loved Star Wars, Empire and ROJ.  My christmas as a kid were filled with opening various SW related toys. 

I, II, III just never interested me.  Never went to the movies to see them, tried watching them at home, but I don't think I made it through any of them.    Am I missing something by not seeing them?  They don't seem very necessary to understanding the plots of R1 thru Force Awakens.

I find that fascinating. I also was a crazed SW kid and when the PT came out I could not have been more excited. I probably saw all of the 3-4 times each in the theater. I even convinced myself for a time after Menace that Jar Jar was NOT the worst thing in movie history.

Eventually I adopted the more prevalent opinion that the trilogy was a complete disaster, save for a few moments here and there (the aforementioned Qui Gon/Obi Won scene with Darth Maul, for example). If I see them on TBS or Spike or whatever I'll watch a few minutes, if nothing else is on, but when I finally persuaded my wife to watch the first three last year I didn't bother trying to get her to continue with the prequels, because I didn't want to sit through 9 hours of disappointing schlock.

In general I think you can disregard the prequels altogether and everything else is fine - R1 included. Perhaps some day Disney will give the prequels the "Thrawn" treatment and de-canonize them (or just consider them as irrelevant as the Ewok-centric movies that came out in the late 80s/early 90s), and then someone else can take a shot at telling a more coherent origin story. I suspect that the one-off anthology films will inevitably tackle pre-prequels characters/content anyway, so you could almost use it all as a soft re-boot.

[WVastro]

Lucas clearly considered the prequels children's movies. The problem with that is twofold:

1. He also clearly said they were the story of Anakin's downfall. If you're telling a downfall story whose endpoint is known, that's tragedy. Anyone know of any good children's tragedies?
2. Children's stories don't include someone getting simultaneously amputated and barbecued.


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That's why I specifically mentioned episodes I&II as children's movies. Episode III... not so much. My daughter wasn't allowed to watch that until much later no matter how much she begged.

[MusicMan]

That's why I specifically mentioned episodes I&II as children's movies. Episode III... not so much. My daughter wasn't allowed to watch that until much later no matter how much she begged.

It's a shame, because the message that Anakin was evil not by destiny, but because he made that choice, is a good message for kids.


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[MusicMan]

Also, I recently revised my position that Sith is without merit.

Sith is actually one of John Williams' finest scores. It was just wasted on that movie.


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[Navin R Johnson]

I find that fascinating. I also was a crazed SW kid and when the PT came out I could not have been more excited. I probably saw all of the 3-4 times each in the theater. I even convinced myself for a time after Menace that Jar Jar was NOT the worst thing in movie history.

I think what caused me to be so meh about the prequels, despite loving SW, ESB and RoJ, is that the 3 prequels felt nothing like the original trilogy, at least to me.  From the way the sets looked to the characters.   Just seemed like a completely different franchise.  Plus I loved the originals for Han Solo, Chewie, R2, the bounty hunters, and the rebels and stormtroopers, none of which was in the prequels.

[WVastro]

Also, I recently revised my position that Sith is without merit.

Sith is actually one of John Williams' finest scores. It was just wasted on that movie.


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John Williams is 90% of the reason those movies have become what they are today. One of my career highlights was playing an all John Williams concert with John Williams himself conducting an orchestra I used to be a memeber of. The energy he brought to The Imperial March was unforgettable.

[Jacksonian]

John Williams is 90% of the reason those movies have become what they are today. One of my career highlights was playing an all John Williams concert with John Williams himself conducting an orchestra I used to be a memeber of. The energy he brought to The Imperial March was unforgettable.

That's an incredible experience.

[MusicMan]

John Williams is 90% of the reason those movies have become what they are today. One of my career highlights was playing an all John Williams concert with John Williams himself conducting an orchestra I used to be a memeber of. The energy he brought to The Imperial March was unforgettable.

Holyfuckingshit. I would have died of pure joy.


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[MusicMan]

But seriously... If you are into the scores, check out the "Star Wars Oxygen"  episodes of the "Rebel Force Radio" podcast. They spend at least an hour breaking down each of the scores, and recently spent two whole episodes on "Sith". I had never heard how "Dies Irae" influenced the later scenes, and now I can't unhear it.


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[moriartp]

But seriously... If you are into the scores, check out the "Star Wars Oxygen"  episodes of the "Rebel Force Radio" podcast. They spend at least an hour breaking down each of the scores, and recently spent two whole episodes on "Sith". I had never heard how "Dies Irae" influenced the later scenes, and now I can't unhear it.


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I went back and listened to III today after your post. I still think Battle of the Heroes was the weakest of the big prequel themes, but it's a darn good score overall. I'll check out that podcast tomorrow. There's nothing I geek out harder over than SW music.

[chuck]

John Williams is 90% of the reason those movies have become what they are today. One of my career highlights was playing an all John Williams concert with John Williams himself conducting an orchestra I used to be a memeber of. The energy he brought to The Imperial March was unforgettable.

So, you live in West Virginia, you drive a Prius, you are or were a classical musician, you're an Astros fan...

Got it.

Just curious, how often do people try to kick your ass?

[WVastro]

So, you live in West Virginia, you drive a Prius, you are or were a classical musician, you're an Astros fan...

Got it.

Just curious, how often do people try to kick your ass?

Live in WV, Prius is gone, still am a classical musician, very much an Astros fan. Zero ass kicking attempts. Although my height and weight may have a bit to do with that! I also don't live in a holler... sort of like all ya'll Texans don't live on ranches 10 miles apart from each other. Or do you?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Live in WV, Prius is gone, still am a classical musician, very much an Astros fan. Zero ass kicking attempts. Although my height and weight may have a bit to do with that! I also don't live in a holler... sort of like all ya'll Texans don't live on ranches 10 miles apart from each other. Or do you?

Any good Mexican Food there?

[Navin R Johnson]

So Star Wars...  What is next on deck?  I assume they are making an episode where a New Hope left off?   Also, isn't there a Han Solo movie in the works?  What else? 

[WVastro]

Any good Mexican Food there?

Not like Texas sadly. I really miss that!

[WVastro]

So Star Wars...  What is next on deck?  I assume they are making an episode where a New Hope left off?   Also, isn't there a Han Solo movie in the works?  What else?

Episode VIII December 2017. Then a Han Solo movie a year after that.

[Knoxbanedoodle]

I heard tell it's a Han & Lando origin story. Wasn't Han supposed to have been a Stormtrooper before rescuing Chewy from the bad guys? Is that canon or apocrypha?

[moriartp]

I heard tell it's a Han & Lando origin story. Wasn't Han supposed to have been a Stormtrooper before rescuing Chewy from the bad guys? Is that canon or apocrypha?

Not canon. I figure they'll come up with a different backstory, but that's just me guessing.

[cougar]

I heard tell it's a Han & Lando origin story. Wasn't Han supposed to have been a Stormtrooper before rescuing Chewy from the bad guys? Is that canon or apocrypha?

None of the books are canon anymore.  Thrawn is since he is in "Rebels" this season, but I don't know if they're including his book appearances.  Probably not.

[MusicMan]

None of the books are canon anymore.  Thrawn is since he is in "Rebels" this season, but I don't know if they're including his book appearances.  Probably not.

Only the TV appearance is canon... but it's giving some fans hope that other book characters (cough, MARA JADE) are about to show up.


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[Limey]

Episode VIII December 2017. Then a Han Solo movie a year after that.

Reportedly, Carrie Fisher had finished shooting scenes for VIII but Leia was pivotal to IX so, sadly, they've got some figuring to do.  Maybe they will use CGI and/or a rewrite.  Maybe they'll rework VIII to give Leia an on-screen death like they did for Oliver Reed when he died during the filming of Gladiator.

[Limey]

Disney has stated that there will not be any CGI Leia in the upcoming movies, as it would be disrespectful to her memory.

Peter "Chopped Liver" Cushing could not be reached for comment.

[doyce7]

Disney has stated that there will not be any CGI Leia in the upcoming movies, as it would be disrespectful to her memory.

Peter "Chopped Liver" Cushing could not be reached for comment.

Cushing's family was on board with it. My guess is that they asked and were denied by fisher's family.

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[Limey]

Cushing's family was on board with it. My guess is that they asked and were denied by fisher's family.

Sounds right, although, presumably, Fisher gave permission for the CGI'd young Leia in Rogue One...

[MusicMan]

Cushing's family was on board with it. My guess is that they asked and were denied by fisher's family.

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Also could be that, with Leia constituting a major role in IX, it would have been cost prohibitive.


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[Limey]

Also could be that, with Leia constituting a major role in IX, it would have been cost prohibitive.

They do have $50 million of life insurance proceeds in their pocket.