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austro · « **on:** September 11, 2016, 12:18:38 pm »

Wow, it's the return of the 2014 defense.

austro · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2016, 01:39:53 pm »

"Cover the wide receiver, Hal."
"I don't think I can do that, Dave."

MusicMan · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2016, 03:36:48 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 11, 2016, 01:39:53 pm

"Cover the wide receiver, Hal."
"I don't think I can do that, Dave."

Bravo.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2016, 04:20:01 pm »

If Osweiler can be adequate, the Texans should win this shitty division.

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austro · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2016, 04:21:21 pm »

Any word on Cushing?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #5 on:** September 11, 2016, 05:44:15 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 11, 2016, 04:21:21 pm

Any word on Cushing?

Heard early report was torn MCL, out for the season. But then OB said in the post game they don't know, and talking heads were saying 6-8 weeks. So in other words, we'll have to wait and see the MRI results tomorrow.

Limey · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2016, 10:38:26 am »

Getting to see the end of the Colts game was a true bonus. Everyone in the division lost, aside from the Texans. A good start to the season at least, even if they did the most Texans' thing possible by turning the ball over for an opposition score on the opening drive.

1-0 on the season; 4-0 against Da Bears. Cowboys and Saints lost. Only the Cheatriots spoiled the run of results for me.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2016, 12:39:31 pm »

I wasn't expecting a ton from the new QB, but I thought he looked the part. He isn't gonna be a top 5 guy, but if he could be a legit top 12 QB, the pieces are there.

Duke · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2016, 01:00:16 pm »

Lamar Miller looked good. It was interesting how the Dolphins handled him. Nice pick up.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2016, 01:47:43 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 12, 2016, 12:39:31 pm

I wasn't expecting a ton from the new QB, but I thought he looked the part. He isn't gonna be a top 5 guy, but if he could be a legit top 12 QB, the pieces are there.

Osweiller is the fourth best QB in the division. He isn't going to be a "Top 12" guy (that's an odd standard, btw). He's in the "Bottom 12", possibly the "Bottom 5". But he's better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer, so he's a step up.

chuck · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2016, 01:53:52 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 12, 2016, 01:47:43 pm

Osweiller is the fourth best QB in the division. He isn't going to be a "Top 12" guy (that's an odd standard, btw). He's in the "Bottom 12", possibly the "Bottom 5". But he's better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer, so he's a step up.

You are nuts.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2016, 01:55:03 pm »

Quote from: chuck on September 12, 2016, 01:53:52 pm

You are nuts.

So I've been told.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2016, 03:57:07 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 12, 2016, 01:47:43 pm

Osweiller is the fourth best QB in the division. He isn't going to be a "Top 12" guy (that's an odd standard, btw). He's in the "Bottom 12", possibly the "Bottom 5". But he's better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer, so he's a step up.

I think he's more like bottom 7 or 8.

jbm · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2016, 05:02:21 pm »

I call bullshit also. Osweiller was fine yesterday and played his best in the fourth quarter.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2016, 06:22:45 pm »

I think he might be in the top 17... okay, I forgot about that one guy, top 18.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2016, 06:28:03 pm »

Quote from: jbm on September 12, 2016, 05:02:21 pm

I call bullshit also. Osweiller was fine yesterday and played his best in the fourth quarter.

Yes, he was fine. No one criticized his play yesterday. That doesn't mean he's a top QB in the league.

jbm · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2016, 06:51:29 pm »

It's also a data point that he's not one of the four worst.

Eta. Excuse me, five worst.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2016, 07:17:48 pm »

Quote from: jbm on September 12, 2016, 06:51:29 pm

It's also a data point that he's not one of the four worst.

Eta. Excuse me, five worst.

One game is a data point. It's not diagnostic, however. Tyler White hit .545 the first week of the season...data points...that doesn't mean he's the best hitter in the league. Not that I expect Osweiller to fall on his face. He'll be ok. But he's not a top level QB in this league. He's just not.

MusicMan · « **Reply #18 on:** September 13, 2016, 09:03:18 am »

McCown, Gabbert, Keenum, Bradford, Taylor... yeah, he's not bottom 5.

Bench · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2016, 09:47:20 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 13, 2016, 09:03:18 am

McCown, Gabbert, Keenum, Bradford, Taylor... yeah, he's not bottom 5.

Fitzpatrick and Siemien provide a cushion for him on the bottom 5, but that's about it. Maybe Wentz/Prescott too.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #20 on:** September 13, 2016, 09:58:59 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 13, 2016, 09:03:18 am

McCown, Gabbert, Keenum, Bradford, Taylor... yeah, he's not bottom 5.

To be fair, McCown and Bradford are only starters due to recent injuries.

Bench · « **Reply #21 on:** September 13, 2016, 10:02:27 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 13, 2016, 09:58:59 am

To be fair, McCown and Bradford are only starters due to recent injuries.

You could swap out RGIII for McCown and the same reasoning applies.

Limey · « **Reply #22 on:** September 13, 2016, 10:19:16 am »

Quote from: jbm on September 12, 2016, 05:02:21 pm

I call bullshit also. Osweiller was fine yesterday and played his best in the fourth quarter.

He threw for 231 yards and two touchdowns, completing passes to eight different receivers. That last part being key; he wasn't flashy but he was effective. But for an opening drive pick (Texans™) and the Texans' secondary leaving for the locker room a couple of minutes before halftime, that's a dominant win.

Next week will be a real test, though. I hate the fucking Chiefs.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #23 on:** September 13, 2016, 10:28:51 am »

I picked 12 because it was just outside the top 1/3. He isn't going to be in that group, but if he can put up #s that put him in that 2nd 3rd of QBs, that'd be a nice bump in QB play going back to when Schaub was a "Pro Bowl" level QB.

MusicMan · « **Reply #24 on:** September 13, 2016, 10:34:45 am »

Quote from: Bench on September 13, 2016, 09:47:20 am

Fitzpatrick and Siemien provide a cushion for him on the bottom 5, but that's about it. Maybe Wentz/Prescott too.

I don't think Mariotta's proven anything yet.

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jbm · « **Reply #25 on:** September 13, 2016, 10:39:02 am »

Manning pretty much sucks also (I don't care about his SBs). His shitty play kept the Cowboys in the game Sunday.

austro · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2016, 12:29:10 pm »

What's the record for penalties by one team in a game? I think the Texans want to take a shot at it today.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2016, 01:17:24 pm »

This ref sucks. That's a touchdown to Hopkins. It's a disgrace that they have replay and still get so wrong.

Limey · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2016, 10:01:32 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 18, 2016, 01:17:24 pm

This ref sucks. That's a touchdown to Hopkins. It's a disgrace that they have replay and still get so wrong.

It was a completion and it was PI. An incomplete pass is the only thing it wasn't.

Now that we have replay on every scoring play, maybe it's time to take the pressure off refs in "bang-bang" situations. In rugby, nowadays when there's a score, the referee almost always asks for a video review before making his call. That way, he doesn't set a precedent of a score / no score prior to video review. Sometimes, the instructions to the booth are as vague as "Is there any reason not to award the score?" but, more often it's thingss like "Was the players foot in touch?" or "Was the ball touched down over the line?"

In the Hopkins' situation, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the touch judge saying "it was too close to call" and letting the video referee make an informed decision, not a split-second gut reaction that has precedent over evidence to the contrary. I am sure that, without the pre-existing incomplete pass call, Hopkins' catch would be called a TD by the video booth.

Missing the shove in the back before the ball got there was effing ridiculous, though. If you're not going to give the TD, at least give that!

austro · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »

Quote from: Limey on September 21, 2016, 10:01:32 am

Missing the shove in the back before the ball got there was effing ridiculous, though. If you're not going to give the TD, at least give that!

Yeah, weren't they the least bit curious about why Hopkins had stumbled to his knee?

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:00:14 pm »

Chances that the Texans avoid dick stepping in New England vs an 3rd string rookie QB on Thursday night?

Hopefully they left the Letterman Jackets at home, in the trash.

austro · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:15:27 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 21, 2016, 08:00:14 pm

Chances that the Texans avoid dick stepping in New England vs an 3rd string rookie QB on Thursday night?

I'll have to see it before I believe it.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #32 on:** September 21, 2016, 10:05:27 pm »

Quote from: austro on September 21, 2016, 08:15:27 pm

I'll have to see it before I believe it.

That is where I am at too. I do feel that Miller and Fuller have a chance to really be difference makers on the offensive side of things, but I'd like to see what they can do against better competition.

Limey · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:35:35 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 21, 2016, 10:05:27 pm

That is where I am at too. I do feel that Miller and Fuller have a chance to really be difference makers on the offensive side of things, but I'd like to see what they can do against better competition.

I am buoyed by the performance against the Chiefs; but the Patriots at their place always a likely losing scenario, QB or no QB. I am hopeful that the defense can keep them off the field, force turnovers and even score some. Do that, and it's totally winnable.

Limey · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2016, 07:56:28 pm »

So far, Jonathan Joseph is the Patriots' best offensive weapon.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:01:50 pm »

Dickstepping galore. Special teams a train wreck. Imagine that.

austro · « **Reply #36 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:02:25 pm »

I do hope that they'll call that same pass interference penalty on the guys who abusing Hopkins.

Nice fumble, guys. Geez.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:05:11 pm »

Defense a sieve. Last two plays: 10 points for the Pats.

Limey · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:06:51 pm »

James taking over from Joseph. Special teams and the secondary are a joke.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:16:25 pm »

Another Osweiller interception. Unbelievable.

Limey · « **Reply #40 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:17:50 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 22, 2016, 08:16:25 pm

Another Osweiller interception. Unbelievable.

Deja vu. The offense making sure the defense gets plenty of game time coming off the short week.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #41 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:20:02 pm »

Quote from: Limey on September 22, 2016, 08:17:50 pm

Deja vu. The offense making sure the defense gets plenty of game time coming off the short week.

You'd think one should be surprised at how unprepared the Texans are to play tonight. But I'm not. How this team was ever a favorite in this game is mind boggling.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:25:51 pm »

Osweiler is a terribly inaccurate passer.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #43 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:37:32 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 22, 2016, 08:25:51 pm

Osweiler is a terribly inaccurate passer.

He certainly appears to be.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #44 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:38:35 pm »

At least these commercials are occasionally broken up with a football play.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #45 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:49:56 pm »

O'Brien has lost his fucking mind

Limey · « **Reply #46 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:55:28 pm »

I love how they praise Hopkins for a one-handed catch, while ignoring the reason that he had only one hand free.

Not getting any breaks.

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chuck · « **Reply #47 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:58:10 pm »

This is a stupid fucking team. Run the ball on third and eight at your own 40 and then turn around and let some scrub run the ball out of the end zone and fumble it? Run the ball on third and two at midfield and then frantically start calling time outs? I'm starting to realize that Belichick isn't particularly smart, he's just comfortably smarter than the other mouth breathing motherfuckers who somehow find themselves head coaches in the league. I mean, this is just sad.

MusicMan · « **Reply #48 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:58:46 pm »

The complete clock mismanagement by BOB is no longer surprising, but his chickenshit play calling has been.

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Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #49 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:07:36 pm »

Extremely poor situational football. They also aren't executing. Good lord I hope things will change this quarter.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #50 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:11:02 pm »

Quote from: Uncle Charlie on September 22, 2016, 09:07:36 pm

Extremely poor situational football. They also aren't executing. Good lord I hope things will change this quarter.

Getting fucking run over this quarter.

Limey · « **Reply #51 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:16:19 pm »

Unreal.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #52 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:16:24 pm »

ANOTHER fumble on the kickoff return?!?!?!

JUST TAKE A GODDAMNED KNEE!!!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #53 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:16:29 pm »

Unfucking believable.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #54 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:18:41 pm »

And now the defense is getting exhausted. Geez.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #55 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:18:54 pm »

I'm going to bed. If the Texans don't give a shit then neither do I.

chuck · « **Reply #56 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:19:18 pm »

One of these teams is a real team that wants to win. The other is run by a delusional fucking reptile who's just happy that he's been invited to the party. And when that cocksucker dies it will just get worse because Fredo will take over.

chuck · « **Reply #57 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:20:40 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 22, 2016, 09:18:54 pm

I'm going to bed. If the Texans don't give a shit then neither do I.

You're going to miss the Astros' furious comeback.

MusicMan · « **Reply #58 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:27:52 pm »

Motherfucker can't even hold onto the ball when nobody touches him.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #59 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:31:59 pm »

Now a 3 and out.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #60 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:37:02 pm »

20 - 0. Time for the Texans to quit fucking around already.

MusicMan · « **Reply #61 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:41:13 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on September 22, 2016, 09:37:02 pm

20 - 0. Time for the Texans to quit

FIFY

MusicMan · « **Reply #62 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:47:51 pm »

So they finally nut up and go for it on 4th down, but have to burn a timeout because they can't get the play called.

Limey · « **Reply #63 on:** September 22, 2016, 09:56:58 pm »

BOB should make the offense play both ways. The defense has earned its money tonight.

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chuck · « **Reply #64 on:** September 22, 2016, 10:01:51 pm »

Quote from: Limey on September 22, 2016, 09:56:58 pm

BOB should make the offense play both ways. The defense has earned its money tonight.

Good call.

MusicMan · « **Reply #65 on:** September 22, 2016, 10:18:36 pm »

You really gotta admire O'Brien and Osweiler sticking to their gameplan of off-target 3-yard routes when they're down by 27.

chuck · « **Reply #66 on:** September 22, 2016, 10:28:57 pm »

Fucking loser franchise, fucking loser city.

chuck · « **Reply #67 on:** September 22, 2016, 10:30:35 pm »

I was at the last shutout, by the way. For some reason I have smartened up a bit and now no longer give my money to this fucking freak of an owner.

WVastro · « **Reply #68 on:** September 22, 2016, 11:08:01 pm »

Houston teams scored a combined 0 r-oints today.... it was also turn back the clock day. The culprits were the killer P's. The Pats and Pooholes. .

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #69 on:** September 22, 2016, 11:26:58 pm »

Dick stepping status: Stepped on.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #70 on:** September 23, 2016, 07:57:57 am »

Quote from: chuck on September 22, 2016, 10:28:57 pm

Fucking loser franchise, fucking loser city.

That's a little harsh. I happen to love my adopted home town.

JimR · « **Reply #71 on:** September 23, 2016, 09:08:41 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 23, 2016, 07:57:57 am

That's a little harsh. I happen to love my adopted home town.

chuck harsh? get outta here!

T. J. · « **Reply #72 on:** September 23, 2016, 11:32:38 am »

Is somebody at Deadspin a lurker here?

http://deadspin.com/the-texans-were-tremendously-incompetent-1786980441

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He just sort of showed up, ripped that incredible run, and watched Houston trip over their dicks for an hour.

MusicMan · « **Reply #73 on:** October 02, 2016, 02:56:46 pm »

I would say that BOB is the worst game manager I have ever seen, but I watch Charlie Strong every week too.

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Limey · « **Reply #74 on:** October 03, 2016, 03:15:26 pm »

The Patriots got shut out at home by the Bills. THE BILLS.

I am lost...

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #75 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:00:24 pm »

JoJo looked lost before being taken in for a concussion, Osweiler's accuracy is piss poor, and Novak's kick wasn't even close.

Other than that, the game is going pretty well.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #76 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:02:41 pm »

Add special teams to the list.

Oh goody, We now get to watch Osweiler's miss a few more throws.

chuck · « **Reply #77 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:06:53 pm »

These motherfucking incompetents spend a hundred million dollars on skill positions over the offseason, they have an offense heavy draft, their head coach is supposedly an offense minded guy and the Vikings have 24 points and the Texans have like 15 total yards.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #78 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:11:55 pm »

Bill O'Brien is the single worst judge and coach of QB talent I've ever seen. He's managed to produce nothing but garbage since he got here.

chuck · « **Reply #79 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:24:03 pm »

I don't necessarily think it's talent evaluation. Osweiler looked fine playing for a competent organization.

I'm just glad they didn't draft Hackenberg.

MusicMan · « **Reply #80 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:30:50 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 09, 2016, 01:24:03 pm

Osweiler looked fine playing for a competent organization.

Should we go dig out all of the quotes regarding Kubiak's coaching ability, or lack thereof?

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chuck · « **Reply #81 on:** October 09, 2016, 01:33:49 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 09, 2016, 01:30:50 pm

Should we go dig out all of the quotes regarding Kubiak's coaching ability, or lack thereof?

I specifically said organization, not head coach. RIF, neck.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #82 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:03:24 pm »

Who the fuck was that ball being thrown to for goodness sake? And Fuller, catch the damn ball.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #83 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:03:40 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 09, 2016, 01:30:50 pm

Should we go dig out all of the quotes regarding Kubiak's coaching ability, or lack thereof?

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Kubiak is actually an excellent offensive and QB coach. Where he failed miserably was as a game manager and adjustments. He got brutally out coached during games.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #84 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:04:22 pm »

Quote from: Uncle Charlie on October 09, 2016, 02:03:24 pm

Who the fuck was that ball being thrown to for goodness sake? And Fuller, catch the damn ball.

Old hands of stone Fuller is fucking killing me.

jbm · « **Reply #85 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:12:40 pm »

"The Texans can get back in this game, they just need to make some plays on defense." Yeah, three pick sixes will do it.

They were probably going to lose this game anyway, but Osweiler for the future is looking grim.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #86 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:21:46 pm »

Holy fuck BOB is the dumbest fucking play caller in the history of the NFL.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #87 on:** October 09, 2016, 02:39:54 pm »

I've about had enough of Brock Osweiler.

chuck · « **Reply #88 on:** October 09, 2016, 03:08:53 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 09, 2016, 02:39:54 pm

I've about had enough of Brock Osweiler.

I think you may have two more years beyond this one to enjoy his handiwork. How much more of BOB you'll get to enjoy I can't say. But knowing McNeck BOB has another six or eight years, easy.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #89 on:** October 09, 2016, 03:23:14 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 09, 2016, 03:08:53 pm

I think you may have two more years beyond this one to enjoy his handiwork. How much more of BOB you'll get to enjoy I can't say. But knowing McNeck BOB has another six or eight years, easy.

Oh BOB gets at least three more years after this one no matter what. That doesn't mean I like it.

MusicMan · « **Reply #90 on:** October 09, 2016, 03:31:42 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 09, 2016, 02:39:54 pm

I've about had enough of Brock Osweiler.

Brock Lesnar would be a better Brock at QB.

hostros7 · « **Reply #91 on:** October 09, 2016, 10:04:00 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 09, 2016, 01:06:53 pm

These motherfucking incompetents spend a hundred million dollars on skill positions over the offseason, they have an offense heavy draft, their head coach is supposedly an offense minded guy and the Vikings have 24 points and the Texans have like 15 total yards.

The Vikings did that without their 1st string RB, WR, and QB with a defensive minded coach. Granted, Bradford has played to a level that seems to be on par with Bridgewater or better. An undrafted receiver ripped the secondary apart. Our 32mm guaranteed QB, high priced RB, and two first round pick WRs (plus Strong, a 3rd I think) couldn't muster anything with our "offensive guru" calling plays.

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Limey · « **Reply #92 on:** October 10, 2016, 10:17:00 am »

Quote from: chuck on October 09, 2016, 03:08:53 pm

I think you may have two more years beyond this one to enjoy his handiwork. How much more of BOB you'll get to enjoy I can't say. But knowing McNeck BOB has another six or eight years, easy.

Split with the Colts and this team wins the division again, before getting dumped out of the playoffs, at home, by a wild card team (again). McNair will be happy for the playoff revenue, and the waiting list for season tickets still has 4 zeros and a crooked number at the front. Losing Watt will be the fig leaf on the season.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #93 on:** October 10, 2016, 04:57:28 pm »

I questioned the wisdom of the contract from the get go but I didn't think Osweiler would be shifty.

hostros7 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 10, 2016, 05:33:48 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 10, 2016, 04:57:28 pm

I questioned the wisdom of the contract from the get go but I didn't think Osweiler would be shifty.

They had to make a move at QB, through FA or draft, and I like that they were aggressive and took a view. If it's wrong, McNair has to fire his coach and GM at the end of this year or next.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #95 on:** October 10, 2016, 07:17:34 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on October 10, 2016, 05:33:48 pm

If it's wrong, McNair has to fire his coach and GM at the end of this year or next.

It's sweetly naive that you believe McNair cares about winning.

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Limey · « **Reply #96 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:02:54 am »

Quote from: hostros7 on October 10, 2016, 05:33:48 pm

They had to make a move at QB, through FA or draft, and I like that they were aggressive and took a view. If it's wrong, McNair has to fire his coach and GM at the end of this year or next.

He just gave Rick Smith a new contract.

chuck · « **Reply #97 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:52:57 am »

Quote from: Limey on October 11, 2016, 10:02:54 am

He just gave Rick Smith a new contract.

Also, the consensus seems to be that BOB had little if any input into the signing of BO, the implication being the signing was owner-driven. So if BO continues to suck blame will fall squarely on the one person who is forever above reproach.

hostros7 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 11, 2016, 01:09:21 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 10, 2016, 07:17:34 pm

It's sweetly naive that you believe McNair cares about winning.

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I don't think he does. Although my comment didn't overtly state it, i think there is no organizational accountability for wins and losses and no desire to risk the stability of mediocrity to pursue a championship.

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Limey · « **Reply #99 on:** October 12, 2016, 09:20:23 am »

Quote from: hostros7 on October 11, 2016, 01:09:21 pm

I don't think he does. Although my comment didn't overtly state it, i think there is no organizational accountability for wins and losses and no desire to risk the stability of mediocrity to pursue a championship.

It's not the stability of mediocrity that's the problem, it's the cost of pursuit of a championship that he doesn't want to incur. Every game is sold out and there's tens of thousands on the waiting list for season tickets. They can make the playoffs in years when the Colts stumble, but the incremental revenue of one, maybe two, playoff games is not worth the additional cost to the franchise of loftier goals.

Only when fans truly start to rebel - by not showing up - does McNair do anything of note; which is usually an individual, splashy signing or, occasionally, a coaching change. Actually building a team that can compete in all phases of the game is an expense that McNair has no interest and no need to undertake.

Dark Star · « **Reply #100 on:** October 16, 2016, 08:51:07 pm »

I believe this is the first time I have ever watched the Texans.

Wow, do they suck.

MusicMan · « **Reply #101 on:** October 16, 2016, 09:01:16 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 11, 2016, 04:20:01 pm

If Osweiler can be adequate, the Texans should win this shitty division.

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So much for adequate.

Rodney Harrison at halftime: "I'm trying to find a way to say that Brock Osweiler's not a terrible football player, but..."

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MusicMan · « **Reply #102 on:** October 16, 2016, 10:31:11 pm »

This game is a perfect analogy to this year's election.

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Nate Colbert · « **Reply #103 on:** October 16, 2016, 10:32:58 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 16, 2016, 10:31:11 pm

This game is a perfect analogy to this year's election.

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And the punch line is...

MusicMan · « **Reply #104 on:** October 16, 2016, 10:34:01 pm »

Quote from: Nate Colbert on October 16, 2016, 10:32:58 pm

And the punch line is...

The worse of the two flaming out spectacularly at the end.

Just wait.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #105 on:** October 16, 2016, 11:28:34 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 16, 2016, 09:01:16 pm

So much for adequate.

Rodney Harrison at halftime: "I'm trying to find a way to say that Brock Osweiler's not a terrible football player, but..."

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How about he was fucking nails when the game was on the line?

I was cursing him early too, but I gotta give it to him the last 6 minutes of the game. Just balls.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #106 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:28:46 pm »

So is it safe to put Osweiler in the bottom 5 now? He's definitely worse than Keenum, Bradford, Siemien, Wentz and Prescott. Maybe he's better than Gabbert and McCown?

chuck · « **Reply #107 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:37:57 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 24, 2016, 10:28:46 pm

So is it safe to put Osweiler in the bottom 5 now? He's definitely worse than Keenum, Bradford, Siemien, Wentz and Prescott. Maybe he's better than Gabbert and McCown?

I wouldn't mind seeing him play for a coach who doesn't think that everyone is fucking Tom Brady.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #108 on:** October 24, 2016, 10:42:36 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 24, 2016, 10:37:57 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing him play for a coach who doesn't think that everyone is fucking Tom Brady.

I agree that BOB is the worst QB/offensive coach in the league. But Osweiler is just such a horrible passer and decision maker. I can't imagine many people could do much with him over the long haul.

MusicMan · « **Reply #109 on:** October 25, 2016, 08:04:18 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 24, 2016, 10:42:36 pm

I agree that BOB is the worst QB/offensive coach in the league. But Osweiler is just such a horrible passer and decision maker. I can't imagine many people could do much with him over the long haul.

Multiple Bronco defenders said afterward that if you take away his first read, he's screwed.

That's not coaching. Not that the coaching is worth a damn.

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jbm · « **Reply #110 on:** October 25, 2016, 08:11:10 am »

Quote from: chuck on October 24, 2016, 10:37:57 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing him play for a coach who doesn't think that everyone is fucking Tom Brady.

Agreed. Osweiler does look bad. Real bad. But, who has looked good in BOB's offense?

Also, the pass protection is awful. In order to throw downfield, they leave seven in to block four and end up with Hopkins or Fuller in double or triple coverage. If they sent out enough guys to get open, Osweiler has to throw it almost immediately. Excuses aside though, he does look like shit.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #111 on:** October 25, 2016, 12:01:30 pm »

Broncos didn't have 1 sack last night, maybe the pass protection wasn't great but it was far from awful. Osweiler just sucks.

Some news and notes on Manute Schaub:

Osweiler: 41 passes for 131 yards

Brock Osweiler threw 41 passes for only 131 yards in the Texans' loss at Denver on Monday night. The only player in NFL history who had fewer passing yards in a game in which he threw at least 40 passes is Jesse Palmer, who was 18-for-43 for 110 yards against the Panthers in the Giants' final game of the 2003 season. That was the third and final start of Palmer's NFL career and it was the last game of Jim Fassel's NFL head-coaching career.

Brock Osweiler: 1st QB in NFL history to have 3 games in a single season with 200 yards or fewer on 40 att. in each game

Brock Osweiler was:

- 0-for-7 on throws 15+ yards downfield
- 5-of-16, 21 yds when facing the blitz
- 3-of-14, 22 yds when under duress
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jbm · « **Reply #112 on:** October 25, 2016, 12:25:01 pm »

I understand, but re-watch the passes downfield (more than 15 yards). Usually only three in the route and seven in protection. I remember few passes where four or five went out and Osweiler didn't just drop and immediately fire after a short drop. The end result might seem like good protection, but Denver will happily allow him to throw five yard patterns (usually inaccurately) or deep patterns in double coverage (thankfully, his inaccuracy avoids picks in these situations).

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #113 on:** October 25, 2016, 07:29:39 pm »

Pass protection has not been a problem. Not at all. In fact, it's been remarkably good. The problem is Osweiler is a very poor decision maker and has a very inaccurate arm. He's just a fringe/bottom of the league type QB.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #114 on:** October 25, 2016, 07:36:57 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on October 25, 2016, 12:01:30 pm

Broncos didn't have 1 sack last night, maybe the pass protection wasn't great but it was far from awful. Osweiler just sucks.

Some news and notes on Manute Schaub:

Osweiler: 41 passes for 131 yards

Brock Osweiler threw 41 passes for only 131 yards in the Texans' loss at Denver on Monday night. The only player in NFL history who had fewer passing yards in a game in which he threw at least 40 passes is Jesse Palmer, who was 18-for-43 for 110 yards against the Panthers in the Giants' final game of the 2003 season. That was the third and final start of Palmer's NFL career and it was the last game of Jim Fassel's NFL head-coaching career.

Brock Osweiler: 1st QB in NFL history to have 3 games in a single season with 200 yards or fewer on 40 att. in each game

Brock Osweiler was:

- 0-for-7 on throws 15+ yards downfield
- 5-of-16, 21 yds when facing the blitz
- 3-of-14, 22 yds when under duress
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During the game Monday, someone tweeted about the Texans all-time fewest yards passing by a starter, and mentioned Osweiler was down there with David Carr's 32-yard and 70-yard efforts. Naturally the conversation became "well see, at least Osweiler is better than Carr". I had to remind people that 1) the Texans won the 32-yard game 24-6, at Pittsburgh, and Carr only attempted like 10 passes, and 2) Carr was injured and left the game midway through the 1st quarter of the 70-yard game, having completed 8 of 9 up to that point.

austro · « **Reply #115 on:** October 25, 2016, 07:49:51 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 25, 2016, 07:36:57 pm

During the game Monday, someone tweeted about the Texans all-time fewest yards passing by a starter, and mentioned Osweiler was down there with David Carr's 32-yard and 70-yard efforts. Naturally the conversation became "well see, at least Osweiler is better than Carr". I had to remind people that 1) the Texans won the 32-yard game 24-6, at Pittsburgh, and Carr only attempted like 10 passes, and 2) Carr was injured and left the game midway through the 1st quarter of the 70-yard game, having completed 8 of 9 up to that point.

Well, at least they haven't guaranteed him $40 million or anything like that.

Uncle Charlie · « **Reply #116 on:** October 30, 2016, 07:35:37 pm »

Reasonable win today. Thought BOB was going to strike out a few times. Caldwell couldn't have made a dumber decision to onside kick in the last few minutes.

Sure hope we can get some receivers healthy.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #117 on:** October 30, 2016, 10:53:42 pm »

Quote from: Uncle Charlie on October 30, 2016, 07:35:37 pm

...Caldwell couldn't have made a dumber decision to onside kick in the last few minutes.

Eh...either way his defense has to stop the run when they know it's coming. The Texans ran Miller right up the gut four straight plays, and the Lions were a sieve. They never got the ball back anyway. Perhaps with his defense he felt the onside kick was their best shot. Their performance certainly didn't contradict that wisdom.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #118 on:** November 13, 2016, 01:32:45 pm »

Seriously, I'm waiting for someone to make an argument that Brock Osweiler is not THE worst QB in the NFL.

austro · « **Reply #119 on:** November 13, 2016, 02:00:58 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 13, 2016, 01:32:45 pm

Seriously, I'm waiting for someone to make an argument that Brock Osweiler is not THE worst QB in the NFL.

He's pretty bad.

What the fuck were they doing at the end of the first half? I'm beginning to think that BOB may be mentally defective.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #120 on:** November 13, 2016, 02:14:43 pm »

Quote from: austro on November 13, 2016, 02:00:58 pm

He's pretty bad.

What the fuck were they doing at the end of the first half? I'm beginning to think that BOB may be mentally defective.

I don't know how BOB got this reputation of being an offensive coach and QB guru. He absolutely sucks at both.

austro · « **Reply #121 on:** November 13, 2016, 02:28:00 pm »

Hunt's performance is encouraging.

chuck · « **Reply #122 on:** November 13, 2016, 02:39:29 pm »

Quote from: austro on November 13, 2016, 02:28:00 pm

Hunt's performance is encouraging.

Good thing these geniuses were keeping him nice and fresh on the practice squad.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #123 on:** November 13, 2016, 03:13:15 pm »

Texans squeak out a win in J-ville.

But...the Saints...ouch. Game tying touchdown in the last minute, lining up for the game-winning extra point...blocked and run back for 2-points to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

MusicMan · « **Reply #124 on:** November 13, 2016, 03:24:24 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 13, 2016, 03:13:15 pm

Texans squeak out a win in J-ville.

But...the Saints...ouch. Game tying touchdown in the last minute, lining up for the game-winning extra point...blocked and run back for 2-points to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Yeah, I can empathize with the Saints more than a little bit.

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Mr. Happy · « **Reply #125 on:** November 13, 2016, 05:46:10 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 13, 2016, 03:13:15 pm

Texans squeak out a win in J-ville.

But...the Saints...ouch. Game tying touchdown in the last minute, lining up for the game-winning extra point...blocked and run back for 2-points to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

For once, I get to watch the Saints, and what do they do? Break my heart. And I started Michael Thomas, who lost two fumbles in the game, on my fantasy league team. That's another ouch.

hostros7 · « **Reply #126 on:** November 13, 2016, 07:06:22 pm »

I'm not sure how anyone who gets paid to watch football tape could decide it would be a bright, WINNING! idea to offer Brock 30 plus mil guaranteed. He makes none of "the throws" on a consistent basis. Despite the fact that he's the tallest QB, he has more passes batted than all the NFL midget QBs. He recoils and throws off of his back foot in the face of pressure.

Brock would not have been my first choice, but I applauded the move to be aggressive and to make a big bet on a QB with the caveat that the current administration's job would be riding on it. He deserves a full season, but I see no cause for optimism about his level of play or that anyone will be held accountable at the end of the season after another first round playoff loss (at best).

6-3, yay

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #127 on:** November 21, 2016, 07:42:14 pm »

Opening drive against the Raiders and the Texans completely fucked out of 7 points by incompetent officials.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #128 on:** November 21, 2016, 07:56:57 pm »

Now Texans completely fucked out of a first down by incompetent officials. Good thing no one is watching this.

Limey · « **Reply #129 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:04:17 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 07:56:57 pm

Now Texans completely fucked out of a first down by incompetent officials. Good thing no one is watching this.

Pretty soft PI call against Joseph too.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #130 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:05:34 pm »

Quote from: Limey on November 21, 2016, 08:04:17 pm

Pretty soft PI call against Joseph too.

Joseph has to turn and look for the ball. He turns his head, no PI. He should know that.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #131 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:08:18 pm »

3rd and long against the Texans...no problem. They hate to tackle.

hostros7 · « **Reply #132 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:10:53 pm »

Another special teams abomination in prime time.

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Limey · « **Reply #133 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:11:20 pm »

Well it took a while to emerge, but the Texans national TV dick-stomping is now in full swing.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #134 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:12:24 pm »

Well didn't take long for te Texans to embarrass themselves.

chuck · « **Reply #135 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:12:32 pm »

Fucking incompetents.

Limey · « **Reply #136 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:29:00 pm »

Quote from: chuck on November 21, 2016, 08:12:32 pm

Fucking incompetents.

The Texans or the umpires.

Limey · « **Reply #137 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:32:15 pm »

And I thought a dropped kick off was embarrassing.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #138 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:34:21 pm »

Osweiler is as smart as he is accurate.

hostros7 · « **Reply #139 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:35:26 pm »

Quote from: Limey on November 21, 2016, 08:29:00 pm

The Texans or the umpires.

How does one whose job it is to watch the game and determine it is played by the rules refer to the wrong team as the offensive team three times in two sentences while speaking to the crowd?

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Limey · « **Reply #140 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:40:38 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on November 21, 2016, 08:35:26 pm

How does one whose job it is to watch the game and determine it is played by the rules refer to the wrong team as the offensive team three times in two sentences while speaking to the crowd?

I'd rather they fuck up that, than whether a foot touched the line.

hostros7 · « **Reply #141 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:41:10 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 08:34:21 pm

Osweiler is as smart as he is accurate.

We're just fortunate that they tackled him before he had the opportunity to rosencopter.

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hostros7 · « **Reply #142 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:41:59 pm »

Quote from: Limey on November 21, 2016, 08:40:38 pm

I'd rather they fuck up that, than whether a foot touched the line.

Obviously, but it is an indication of basic competence.

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chuck · « **Reply #143 on:** November 21, 2016, 08:52:40 pm »

There's a number of Mexican fuckwits shining lasers into the faces of the Raiders. I mean the Texans.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #144 on:** November 21, 2016, 09:00:46 pm »

Quote from: Limey on November 21, 2016, 08:40:38 pm

I'd rather they fuck up that, than whether a foot touched the line.

This has not been a shining example of the NFL's ability to not completely fuck shit up.

Limey · « **Reply #145 on:** November 21, 2016, 09:05:00 pm »

Half time commentary was as competent as the umps. I know the Texans aren't great, but they too are leading their division and the Raiders haven't exactly been facing the Patriots every week.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #146 on:** November 21, 2016, 09:07:13 pm »

Quote from: Limey on November 21, 2016, 09:05:00 pm

Half time commentary was as competent as the umps. I know the Texans aren't great, but they too are leading their division and the Raiders haven't exactly been facing the Patriots every week.

So far it's been a complete shit show from the NFL, the officials, and ESPN. The Texans defense is the only thing not sucking donkey right now.

Limey · « **Reply #147 on:** November 21, 2016, 09:09:56 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 09:07:13 pm

So far it's been a complete shit show from the NFL, the officials, and ESPN. The Texans defense is the only thing not sucking donkey right now.

This is why we need to build a wall.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #148 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:09:43 pm »

BOB is an absolutely awful play caller.

Limey · « **Reply #149 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:15:44 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 10:09:43 pm

BOB is an absolutely awful play caller.

That was a painful exchange.

chuck · « **Reply #150 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:16:19 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 10:09:43 pm

BOB is an absolutely awful play caller.

I don't think he's calling plays today. But whoever it is is a fucking idiot.

Also, I guess I don't watch a lot of football but I don't regularly see fullbacks catch 75 yard touchdown passes.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #151 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:27:39 pm »

Three plays in a row the officials fuck the Texans on the spot.

Limey · « **Reply #152 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:29:47 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 10:27:39 pm

Three plays in a row the officials fuck the Texans on the spot.

With an assist from BOB by not challenging the prior spot. Who is in the booth?

chuck · « **Reply #153 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:31:35 pm »

BOB is too stupid to be an NFL coach which is like being too stupid to be a mall cop.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #154 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:35:09 pm »

No way the NFL was going to let the Raiders lose this game. This has been pathetic.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #155 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:41:37 pm »

Now BOB has fucking given up with 3 minutes left.

Limey · « **Reply #156 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:41:54 pm »

Now O'Brien throws a flag - only it's a white one.

hostros7 · « **Reply #157 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:42:11 pm »

Punt? Wtf?

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chuck · « **Reply #158 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:50:20 pm »

A real owner would fire a head coach for such mind numbing incompetence. This owner, who obviously doesn't care whether the team wins or not, won't notice that his head coach is a fucking incompetent idiot.

Of course the people who pay for this dogshit want to blame it on the refs like the vaginas they are.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #159 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:51:00 pm »

NFL 1. Texans 0

Fuck Goodell.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #160 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:51:51 pm »

Quote from: chuck on November 21, 2016, 10:50:20 pm

A real owner would fire a head coach for such mind numbing incompetence. This owner, who obviously doesn't care whether the team wins or not, won't notice that his head coach is a fucking incompetent idiot.

Of course the people who pay for this dogshit want to blame it on the refs like the vaginas they are.

And the cunts will blame the owner like they always do.

chuck · « **Reply #161 on:** November 21, 2016, 11:00:24 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on November 21, 2016, 10:51:51 pm

And the cunts will blame the owner like they always do.

Sure, blame it on the refs you chickenshit motherfucker. The players didn't play well enough and the head coach fucked up, repeatedly.

Or, see some sort of anti-Texas conspiracy. But don't be surprised when sane people make fun of you.

McNeck is YUGELY popular among the NFL powerful. They know he's an idiot, of course, but they love him because he plays along. The NFL would not go out of their way to fuck the Texans. They don't need to; the Texans are great at fucking themselves.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #162 on:** November 21, 2016, 11:05:36 pm »

Quote from: chuck on November 21, 2016, 11:00:24 pm

Sure, blame it on the refs you chickenshit motherfucker. The players didn't play well enough and the head coach fucked up, repeatedly.

Or, see some sort of anti-Texas conspiracy. But don't be surprised when sane people make fun of you.

McNeck is YUGELY popular among the NFL powerful. They know he's an idiot, of course, but they love him because he plays along. The NFL would not go out of their way to fuck the Texans. They don't need to; the Texans are great at fucking themselves.

Spin it how you want Little HD. The Texans made plays and got fucked. Spend your money on whatever the fuck makes you happy, if anything does.

chuck · « **Reply #163 on:** November 21, 2016, 11:10:07 pm »

The Texans played better yet lost because of the head coach, not the refs.

Texans fans should recognize what it looks like to get outcoached by now.

Limey · « **Reply #164 on:** November 22, 2016, 10:25:12 am »

Quote from: chuck on November 21, 2016, 11:10:07 pm

The Texans played better yet lost because of the head coach, not the refs.

Texans fans should recognize what it looks like to get outcoached by now.

All of the above. Not challenging the criminally bad spot on 3rd down was ridiculous - a much better challenge than the one on 4th; in seconds, ESPN had the still photo up that proved the spot was about 2 feet short of where it should have been. Not going for it on 4th and short with only 3+ minutes left (and only 1 time out) was cowardly. On a prior drive, when faced with 3rd and short in the red zone, they tried some fucked up trick play, instead of going for the 1st down, and ended up with a FG.

However, the decision to go for it on 4th down (after the horrible spot) was necessitated by the lack of the additional 4 points negligently (or deliberately) wiped off by the officials in the 1st quarter. Had the Texans been up by 4 - as they should have been - then the FG is an easy choice because the Raiders could only tie with a touchdown. The 1st quarter officiating incompetence forced the bad choices late in the game that were then compounded by more officiating incompetence. Even things like the unnecessary roughness call against Joseph (when jumping for an interception) were harsh. The calls were all going one way last night.

Yes, bad choices by O'Brien were made and the teams have to play around screw ups by the referees. But sometimes the referee screw-ups come at such inopportune times, or multiple screw-ups compound or, as in this case, both, that a team cannot rise above it.

These teams were evenly matched - the referees made the difference.

On a more positive note: Clowney! And Osweiler looks to be ironing out some of his kinks; made much better choices and dropped far fewer bollocks when under pressure. And hey! What's that? A catch by a tight end!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #165 on:** November 22, 2016, 11:55:12 am »

Quote from: Limey on November 22, 2016, 10:25:12 am

All of the above. Not challenging the criminally bad spot on 3rd down was ridiculous - a much better challenge than the one on 4th; in seconds, ESPN had the still photo up that proved the spot was about 2 feet short of where it should have been. Not going for it on 4th and short with only 3+ minutes left (and only 1 time out) was cowardly. On a prior drive, when faced with 3rd and short in the red zone, they tried some fucked up trick play, instead of going for the 1st down, and ended up with a FG.

However, the decision to go for it on 4th down (after the horrible spot) was necessitated by the lack of the additional 4 points negligently (or deliberately) wiped off by the officials in the 1st quarter. Had the Texans been up by 4 - as they should have been - then the FG is an easy choice because the Raiders could only tie with a touchdown. The 1st quarter officiating incompetence forced the bad choices late in the game that were then compounded by more officiating incompetence. Even things like the unnecessary roughness call against Joseph (when jumping for an interception) were harsh. The calls were all going one way last night.

Yes, bad choices by O'Brien were made and the teams have to play around screw ups by the referees. But sometimes the referee screw-ups come at such inopportune times, or multiple screw-ups compound or, as in this case, both, that a team cannot rise above it.

These teams were evenly matched - the referees made the difference.

On a more positive note: Clowney! And Osweiler looks to be ironing out some of his kinks; made much better choices and dropped far fewer bollocks when under pressure. And hey! What's that? A catch by a tight end!

Sometimes you have to overcome a bad call and make a play. But the Texans did that. Again and again and again, and still got screwed. If you're forced to score 10 points for every 3 they give you on the scoreboard, or to go 3 yards on 4th and inches, multiple times, its going to catch up to you at some point. The only really bad call by BOB was the decision to punt with three minutes to go. Of course, he realized that his team could have gained 15 yards on the next play and have the refs spot it behind the line of scrimmage.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #166 on:** November 27, 2016, 03:02:54 pm »

Just fire everyone

austro · « **Reply #167 on:** November 27, 2016, 04:32:49 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on November 27, 2016, 03:02:54 pm

Just fire everyone

How did they win six games?

chuck · « **Reply #168 on:** November 27, 2016, 05:27:08 pm »

Quote from: austro on November 27, 2016, 04:32:49 pm

How did they win six games?

There are a lot of really bad teams in the NFL.

MusicMan · « **Reply #169 on:** November 27, 2016, 08:01:18 pm »

Quote from: chuck on November 27, 2016, 05:27:08 pm

There are a lot of really bad teams in the NFL.

For example: the Cubs won more games in November than the Bears.

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Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #170 on:** December 04, 2016, 12:15:27 pm »

I believe Hudson is at Lambeau Field today.

austro · « **Reply #171 on:** December 04, 2016, 03:00:28 pm »

It's amazing what happens if you go downfield every once in a while.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #172 on:** December 04, 2016, 05:42:54 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on December 04, 2016, 12:15:27 pm

I believe Hudson is at Lambeau Field today.

I was! The game day experience is awesome. Unfortunately, the Texans' offense still reminds me of two Bassett hounds running through 12 inches of mud.

Limey · « **Reply #173 on:** December 05, 2016, 05:06:04 pm »

Texans cut Charles James for costly mistake vs. Packers. Umm...when did that happen?

Really hard to fall in love with this franchise.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #174 on:** December 05, 2016, 05:25:07 pm »

Quote from: Limey on December 05, 2016, 05:06:04 pm

Texans cut Charles James for costly mistake vs. Packers. Umm...when did that happen?

Really hard to fall in love with this franchise.

When did they cut him or when did Jordy Nelson make him look silly yesterday?

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #175 on:** December 05, 2016, 05:34:54 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on November 27, 2016, 03:02:54 pm

Just fire everyone

Limey · « **Reply #176 on:** December 05, 2016, 06:10:03 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 05, 2016, 05:25:07 pm

When did they cut him or when did Jordy Nelson make him look silly yesterday?

So losing Jordy Nelson is now the "fail" benchmark for the Texans? Based on that, the offensive line should not only be cut, but made to return all their paychecks.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #177 on:** December 05, 2016, 06:31:43 pm »

Quote from: Limey on December 05, 2016, 06:10:03 pm

So losing Jordy Nelson is now the "fail" benchmark for the Texans? Based on that, the offensive line should not only be cut, but made to return all their paychecks.

You don't cut a guy because of one play. One play in a pattern of plays where a guy is helpless or doesn't know his assignment, perhaps.

Limey · « **Reply #178 on:** December 05, 2016, 06:39:27 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 05, 2016, 06:31:43 pm

You don't cut a guy because of one play. One play in a pattern of plays where a guy is helpless or doesn't know his assignment, perhaps.

Perhaps. It just seems random given the giant flaws in most parts of this team currently.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #179 on:** December 05, 2016, 06:47:02 pm »

Quote from: Limey on December 05, 2016, 06:39:27 pm

Perhaps. It just seems random given the giant flaws in most parts of this team currently.

CB is a gaping hole, with Joseph injured, and an upgrade was available. This is like releasing a middle reliever the day after giving up a 3-run home run. It wasn't yesterday's home run by itself, it's the nine in the last six appearances and the 26.35 ERA.

hostros7 · « **Reply #180 on:** December 06, 2016, 09:57:31 am »

Maybe my expectations are low, but I'm just impressed that the Texans apparently knew of a player on another practice squad that wasn't a retread former player.

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austro · « **Reply #181 on:** December 11, 2016, 12:39:09 pm »

First and goal from the six, let's put the league's worst QB in a no-back set. Makes sense to me.

Limey · « **Reply #182 on:** December 11, 2016, 12:41:05 pm »

Quote from: austro on December 11, 2016, 12:39:09 pm

First and goal from the six, let's put the league's worst QB in a no-back set. Makes sense to me.

Crazy play calling. Run Miller and Blue until they stop you.

Limey · « **Reply #183 on:** December 11, 2016, 12:41:45 pm »

When I hear the commentator say "Miller in the backfield", my brain fills in:

"Please talk free
The door is locked
Just you and me"

Limey · « **Reply #184 on:** December 11, 2016, 12:48:55 pm »

That PI call against the Colts was EXACTLY the same play that stopped Grimes scoring on the prior drive. Both were clear PI, but the refs have been awful across the board this year.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #185 on:** December 11, 2016, 12:51:11 pm »

As bad as Osweiler is, he's still in the running for "Essentially Rookie of the Year".

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #186 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:12:13 pm »

ugh. You can't miss tackles on third down with two minutes left.

austro · « **Reply #187 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:14:46 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2016, 01:12:13 pm

ugh. You can't miss tackles on third down with two minutes left.

I wonder if Osweiler noticed how Luck just said "oh look, the corner is blitzing, his man must be open, i'll just throw it there". Without panicking.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #188 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:17:50 pm »

Quote from: austro on December 11, 2016, 01:14:46 pm

I wonder if Osweiler noticed how Luck just said "oh look, the corner is blitzing, his man must be open, i'll just throw it there". Without panicking.

Even if he recognized it, Osweiler would have thrown it four yards behind the receiver. But those missed tackles are going to cost points, and possibly the game and playoff spot.

austro · « **Reply #189 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:25:01 pm »

That kick was really well-struck by Novak.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #190 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:26:32 pm »

Or maybe not. Good defense, and a couple of nice plays and the Texans get three points to go up by two scores at the end of the half.

Limey · « **Reply #191 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:58:32 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2016, 01:26:32 pm

Or maybe not. Good defense, and a couple of nice plays and the Texans get three points to go up by two scores at the end of the half.

Defense implodes; Colts go 70 yards for a TD in two plays.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #192 on:** December 11, 2016, 01:59:14 pm »

Quote from: Limey on December 11, 2016, 01:58:32 pm

Defense implodes; Colts go 70 yards for a TD in two plays.

That was a gift from the league.

hostros7 · « **Reply #193 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:02:58 pm »

Hilton was savvy enough to collapse in a heap when he was bumped after realizing he had no chance of making the catch.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #194 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:05:59 pm »

Texans fucked out of first down on a horrible spot. Again.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #195 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:06:55 pm »

The Texans have to lead the league in 6-yard gains on third and seven.

austro · « **Reply #196 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:09:31 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on December 11, 2016, 02:06:55 pm

The Texans have to lead the league in 6-yard gains on third and seven.

It's an institutional problem. They've done this ever since the beginning of time.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #197 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:10:35 pm »

Quote from: austro on December 11, 2016, 02:09:31 pm

It's an institutional problem. They've done this ever since the beginning of time.

In their defense, that was an 8-yard gain marked for six.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #198 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:13:51 pm »

The Colts just have to chuck the ball in the air and they'll get a PI. Every. Single. Time.

hostros7 · « **Reply #199 on:** December 11, 2016, 02:15:03 pm »

JD finally makes a big play in a big moment.

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