Author Topic: Blue Jays @ Astros August 4, 2016 (Read 8917 times)

Mr. Happy · « **on:** August 04, 2016, 05:54:39 pm »

Your lineups for tonight's tilt:

Blue Jays

2BDevon Travis (R)
RFJose Bautista (R)
3BJosh Donaldson (R)
DHE. Encarnacion (R)
CRussell Martin (R)
LFM. Upton Jr. (R)
SSTroy Tulowitzki (R)
1BJustin Smoak (S)
CFKevin Pillar (R)

TOR: J.A. Happ (L) (14-3, 3.16)

Astros

RF George Springer (R)
3B Alex Bregman (R)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
SS Carlos Correa (R)
C Evan Gattis (R)
DH Carlos Gomez (R)
LF Colby Rasmus (L)
1B Tyler White (R)
CF Jake Marisnick (R)

HOU: Mike Fiers (R) (7-4, 4.42)

MusicMan · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:25:00 pm »

Oh hey, we're losing already!

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chuck · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:30:29 pm »

I'm glad they were able to juggle things around to keep Gomez and Rasmus' bats in the lineup.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:34:02 pm »

This year Happ is pitching like Keuchel did last year and vice versa.

hostros7 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:35:10 pm »

The kick to the junk feeling associated with getting shut out by Happ may rekindle my PTSD from all the 100+ loss seasons.

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Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:36:29 pm »

Hey, Gomez almost didn't strike out.

moriartp · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:37:34 pm »

"Wow, $12m/yr for Happ? See, that's why trading for Mike Fiers was such a savvy move." -me, this past winter

austro · « **Reply #7 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:39:57 pm »

Why does our predominantly right-handed lineup have so much trouble with LHP?

pots · « **Reply #8 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:44:57 pm »

A lot of times when a team struggles offensively you get the feeling they are going to just unload on somebody. I don't get that feeling with these guys

chuck · « **Reply #9 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:46:19 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 07:39:57 pm

Why does our predominantly right-handed lineup have so much trouble with LHP?

There are guys on the team that would find a way to strike out in slow pitch softball.

5-9 are 6 for 60. That surprises me. I don't remember six hits over the last ten or twelve days.

juliogotay · « **Reply #10 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:47:31 pm »

Quote from: pots on August 04, 2016, 07:44:57 pm

A lot of times when a team struggles offensively you get the feeling they are going to just unload on somebody. I don't get that feeling with these guys

This slump began after unloading on Angels with 13 runs I think it was.

hostros7 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:48:44 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 04, 2016, 07:47:31 pm

This slump began after unloading on Angels with 13 runs I think it was.

Twas such a gay time.

austro · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2016, 07:50:36 pm »

Bautista has an unusual throwing motion. Not Pence levels of unusual, but unusual nonetheless.

chuck · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:03:08 pm »

I don't know that I have ever seen an umpiring crew that is so terrible behind the plate in all four games. Night after night. It's impressive.

hostros7 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:19:27 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 04, 2016, 08:03:08 pm

I don't know that I have ever seen an umpiring crew that is so terrible behind the plate in all four games. Night after night. It's impressive.

This Smoak AB is a perfect representation of the incompetence.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:21:37 pm »

Did I get that correctly...the Jays scored on a strikeout?

austro · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:22:24 pm »

Surely this level of incompetence will get noticed in the league offices? (I'm referring to the umpires, not the Astros.)

austro · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:23:33 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 08:21:37 pm

Did I get that correctly...the Jays scored on a strikeout?

Yes, ball in the dirt bounced up and off of Gattis' mask, if you can believe that. Careened away and the runner scored from 3rd. It didn't help that the batter should have been called out on the previous pitch.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:25:13 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 08:23:33 pm

Yes, ball in the dirt bounced up and off of Gattis' mask, if you can believe that. Careened away and the runner scored from 3rd. It didn't help that the batter should have been called out on the previous pitch.

But not far enough to not be able to run it down and throw out the batter? Makes sense, I guess. All I got was "Smoak strikes out swinging, Martin scores, 2 outs". Some things just leave a lot to be inferred.

juliogotay · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:25:21 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 08:23:33 pm

Yes, ball in the dirt bounced up and off of Gattis' mask, if you can believe that. Careened away and the runner scored from 3rd. It didn't help that the batter should have been called out on the previous pitch.

Yes, batter was walking off to dugout on what should have been Strike 3 and the ump told him to get back in the box. Ump was the only one in the park that didn't think it was a strike.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:26:28 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 08:25:13 pm

But not far enough to not be able to run it down and throw out the batter? Makes sense, I guess. All I got was "Smoak strikes out swinging, Martin scores, 2 outs". Some things just leave a lot to be inferred.

1B was occupied.

juliogotay · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:26:53 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 08:25:13 pm

But not far enough to not be able to run it down and throw out the batter? Makes sense, I guess. All I got was "Smoak strikes out swinging, Martin scores, 2 outs". Some things just leave a lot to be inferred.

Gattis couldn't find it. (ball).

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:27:34 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on August 04, 2016, 08:26:28 pm

1B was occupied.

See, THIS is why I need PBP people.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:30:14 pm »

I honestly don't think Gomez even tries anymore.

austro · « **Reply #24 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:31:10 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on August 04, 2016, 08:30:14 pm

I honestly don't think Gomez even tries anymore.

How do you swing all the way through the zone and follow through without breaking your wrists?

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:33:09 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 08:31:10 pm

How do you swing all the way through the zone and follow through without breaking your wrists?

He realized half way through his swing that the pitch was 16 inches off the plate.

hostros7 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:33:43 pm »

Tyler White having a day today, relatively speaking of course

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jbm · « **Reply #27 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:36:06 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on August 04, 2016, 08:33:43 pm

Tyler White having a day today, relatively speaking of course

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On this team, it's a week.

Nice to see the youngster come through.

austro · « **Reply #28 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:46:10 pm »

That was hilarious: Ryan and Ventura figures in a stop-motion re-enactment of the brawl (today's the anniversary).

austro · « **Reply #29 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:48:22 pm »

Bregman single! Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs for Altuve.

hostros7 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:49:55 pm »

Bregman is the best 0.029 hitter I've seen in a while.

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austro · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:50:17 pm »

That's two nights in a row that I've seen Altuve go to a knee on his follow-through. I do not like this development.

austro · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:51:28 pm »

Altuve flies out to medium-deep CF, Springer advances to 3rd.

austro · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:54:46 pm »

And Correa finishes the job by hitting into a weak 6-4-3 DP.

hostros7 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:56:17 pm »

It would be interesting to know how good Correa could be if he didn't spot the pitcher at least one strike every AB. He's generally locked in with two strikes. He needs to start the AB with the same approach.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:56:22 pm »

According my sources, Altuve swung at ball 4 on a 3-0 pitch, then missed two center cut fastballs. Correa saw six pitches, none of them strikes on his way to grounding into a double play with the tying run at 3B.

austro · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:00:16 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 08:56:22 pm

According my sources, Altuve swung at ball 4 on a 3-0 pitch, then missed two center cut fastballs. Correa saw six pitches, none of them strikes on his way to grounding into a double play with the tying run at 3B.

Well, Altuve's first strike was indeed on a high FB, but he likes those and he's pretty good with them, so I'm not going to bitch about that. He did miss the next two, but he didn't miss the second one by much. It wasn't a pathetic AB by any means.

First pitch to Correa was the 6" outside pitch that's getting called a strike this entire series. Then he fouled back some high pitches that he had to swing at because who knows what's going to be called a strike with these guys. Then he rolled over an outside pitch.

And now Tulowitzki gets fucked by the umpire. These guys are brutal.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:06:18 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 09:00:16 pm

Well, Altuve's first strike was indeed on a high FB, but he likes those and he's pretty good with them, so I'm not going to bitch about that. He did miss the next two, but he didn't miss the second one by much. It wasn't a pathetic AB by any means.

First pitch to Correa was the 6" outside pitch that's getting called a strike this entire series. Then he fouled back some high pitches that he had to swing at because who knows what's going to be called a strike with these guys. Then he rolled over an outside pitch.

And now Tulowitzki gets fucked by the umpire. These guys are brutal.

Altuve's first strike was shown to me as being in the dirt. Of course, that may be at Altuve's shoulders.

chuck · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:13:41 pm »

I can think of more than one third baseman who would not have bothered to cover third on that play.

austro · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:16:43 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 09:06:18 pm

Altuve's first strike was shown to me as being in the dirt. Of course, that may be at Altuve's shoulders.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I believe that was the one where he went to a knee on the swing at a high pitch.

chuck · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:17:15 pm »

These guys are brutal.

austro · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:20:08 pm »

Fuck, hard line drive gets past a drawn-in Altuve. Looked like he might have gotten a little bit of glove on it, but it went through. Three runs in for Toronto, and it might as well be 100.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:22:43 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 09:20:08 pm

Fuck, hard line drive gets past a drawn-in Altuve. Looked like he might have gotten a little bit of glove on it, but it went through. Three runs in for Toronto, and it might as well be 100.

2 runs might as well be 100

The Spleen · « **Reply #43 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:25:05 pm »

At this point I'm just happy that they'll have enough pitching to avoid 100 losses next year.
Right?

austro · « **Reply #44 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:25:36 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 04, 2016, 09:25:05 pm

At this point I'm just happy that they'll have enough pitching to avoid 100 losses next year.
Right?

I don't know. They might get shut out 100 times.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #45 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:26:21 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 04, 2016, 09:25:05 pm

At this point I'm just happy that they'll have enough pitching to avoid 100 losses next year.
Right?

If they plan on only scoring 74 runs next year, that might be tough to do.

chuck · « **Reply #46 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:27:14 pm »

Learn the ground rules dumbass.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #47 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:29:44 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 04, 2016, 09:27:14 pm

Learn the ground rules dumbass.

Assuming that's not directed at me...context?

The Spleen · « **Reply #48 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:30:56 pm »

If this offseason breaks the wrong way they could end up with only four major league starting position players... Altuve, Correa, Springer and Guriel.
Then the rest of their offense would be Marwin and assorted chunks of waiver wire gristle.

Help coming from inside the organization can't be assumed at this point...

hostros7 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:31:25 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 04, 2016, 09:27:14 pm

Learn the ground rules dumbass.

When asked how he would describe Donaldson pregame, Gibbons settled on "wingnut" after some "uhhhs" and such.

austro · « **Reply #50 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:31:28 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 09:29:44 pm

Assuming that's not directed at me...context?

Foul pop-up hit one of the rafters. Martin recovered and caught it anyway, but it's just a foul ball once it hits the rafter in foul territory (which can probably be difficult to determine under the right circumstances, but not this time).

austro · « **Reply #51 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:32:13 pm »

Totally fucking snake-bit right now.

chuck · « **Reply #52 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:32:48 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 09:29:44 pm

Assuming that's not directed at me...context?

If you're like Donaldson and don't know that a ball that hits the roof in foul territory is automatically foul then yes, it's directed at you, too. Especially if you run up with your hair on fire and complain about the call.

That's some pretty slick baserunning.

hostros7 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:33:36 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 04, 2016, 09:30:56 pm

If this offseason breaks the wrong way they could end up with only four major league starting position players... Altuve, Correa, Springer and Guriel.
Then the rest of their offense would be Marwin and assorted chunks of waiver wire gristle.

Help coming from inside the organization can't be assumed at this point...

Step back from the ledge. Another year of development will help, and the team will free up roughly $40mm by virtue of losing Gomez, Rasmus, and Feldman.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #54 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:34:42 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 04, 2016, 09:32:48 pm

If you're like Donaldson and don't know that a ball that hits the roof in foul territory is automatically foul then yes, it's directed at you, too. Especially if you run up with your hair on fire and complain about the call.

That's some pretty slick baserunning.

In my defense, my line of sight is somewhat obscured by the 10,000 miles between me and the rafters.

austro · « **Reply #55 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:35:55 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 09:34:42 pm

In my defense, my line of sight is somewhat obscured by the 10,000 miles between me and the rafters.

Always with the excuses.

austro · « **Reply #56 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:37:03 pm »

Boy, if they fuck up and get swept by the Rangers, that'll pretty much be the end of the playoff aspirations.

chuck · « **Reply #57 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:41:37 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 09:37:03 pm

Boy, if they fuck up and get swept by the Rangers, that'll pretty much be the end of the playoff aspirations.

For the past two weeks this has seemed like a forgone conclusion.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:43:47 pm »

Quote from: austro on August 04, 2016, 09:37:03 pm

Boy, if they fuck up and get swept by the Rangers, that'll pretty much be the end of the playoff aspirations.

In what alternate reality did you think they wouldn't?

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #59 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:47:02 pm »

Not that there hasn't been plenty of dick stepping, but what the fuck is up with the umps in this series?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #60 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:48:15 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on August 04, 2016, 09:47:02 pm

Not that there hasn't been plenty of dick stepping, but what the fuck is up with the umps in this series?

They have the same line of sight that I do.

hostros7 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:48:37 pm »

These umpires are the pits.

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BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #62 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:49:07 pm »

This is a fucking crock.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #63 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:50:49 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 09:43:47 pm

In what alternate reality did you think they wouldn't?

That's what I was about to say. This is horrible, hard to watch. The sad part is the pitching is actually keeping them in these last few games but the offense can't do jack.

juliogotay · « **Reply #64 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:54:21 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on August 04, 2016, 09:48:37 pm

These umpires are the pits.

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How do they keep their jobs? Oh, yea.

austro · « **Reply #65 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:59:48 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 04, 2016, 09:54:21 pm

How do they keep their jobs? Oh, yea.

They definitely need a relegation system. If you finish in the bottom three of the rankings for three consecutive years, you go back to the minors. Or something like that.

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #66 on:** August 04, 2016, 10:32:53 pm »

Looks like Correa got rid of the beard after the game today, hope that helps this offense.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** August 04, 2016, 10:34:50 pm »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on August 04, 2016, 10:32:53 pm

Looks like Correa got rid of the beard after the game today, hope that helps this offense.

I think it's going to take more than facial hair sacrifice. I'm thinking a full-blown slumpbuster is in order.

On a side note, what is the Astros' record since Scott Baio spoke at the RNC?

MrKnuckleball · « **Reply #68 on:** August 04, 2016, 10:37:36 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 10:34:50 pm

I think it's going to take more than facial hair sacrifice. I'm thinking a full-blown slumpbuster is in order.

On a side note, what is the Astros' record since Scott Baio spoke at the RNC?

Yeah I know, just wishful thinking over here.

MusicMan · « **Reply #69 on:** August 05, 2016, 09:02:12 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 04, 2016, 10:34:50 pm

On a side note, what is the Astros' record since Scott Baio spoke at the RNC?

Make the Offense Great Again

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pots · « **Reply #70 on:** August 05, 2016, 09:24:13 am »

Quote from: MrKnuckleball on August 04, 2016, 10:32:53 pm

Looks like Correa got rid of the beard after the game today, hope that helps this offense.

He shaved his beard before the game. Didn't help