Big 12 Expansion

[Nate Colbert]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN  1 hour ago
BYU & Houston (5 votes each) top @ESPN poll of Big 12 coaches on expansion. Next: Cincinnati, Memphis (4 votes each); CSU, UCF (1 vote each).

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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'd rather see UH in the SEC.

[MusicMan]

The coaches preferences mean exactly Jack and Squat.


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[Uncle Charlie]

I can't imagine them not adding UH. Occasional (and currently) strong football program...baseball and basketball programs are nothing to sneeze at.  Likewise, 4-5 games in Houston from Big 12 competition like UT, OU, TTU, BU, TCU, OSU, etc.  It's a no-brainier.  Sure, not media bump necessarily but I have to think Houston is less of a Big 12 town than an SEC town at this point.

[MusicMan]

I can't imagine them not adding UH. Occasional (and currently) strong football program...baseball and basketball programs are nothing to sneeze at.  Likewise, 4-5 games in Houston from Big 12 competition like UT, OU, TTU, BU, TCU, OSU, etc.  It's a no-brainier.  Sure, not media bump necessarily but I have to think Houston is less of a Big 12 town than an SEC town at this point.

UH doesn't add geography, TV sets, or basketball - and cuts into the recruiting base of several existing members.  Oh, and several UT board members still bear grudges against them.

No matter what Greg Abbott says, I'll be shocked if they're invited.

[Mr. Happy]

I can't imagine them not adding UH. Occasional (and currently) strong football program...baseball and basketball programs are nothing to sneeze at.  Likewise, 4-5 games in Houston from Big 12 competition like UT, OU, TTU, BU, TCU, OSU, etc.  It's a no-brainier.  Sure, not media bump necessarily but I have to think Houston is less of a Big 12 town than an SEC town at this point.

I'd take UH into the SEC.

[Duke]

Oh, and several UT board members still bear grudges against them.

This is very true.  Deloss Dodds once told me they would never schedule another game with UH let alone let them in the conference.

[jbm]

My memory fails.  Wasn't that about them requiring the game to be at UH rather than Reliant?

[Navin R Johnson]

My memory fails.  Wasn't that about them requiring the game to be at UH rather than Reliant?

Yes, it was a colossal fuck up by UH admin.  Thankfully nobody involved in that shit show are still around, the people running the show now are night and day.  The President Renu Khator has done absolutely amazing things since she has arrived.  Current UH is basically nothing like when I attended.   They have more beds on campus than anyone in the state other than A&M, facilities all around have been upgraded, and academic standing is steadily climbing.  I'm more worried about losing her than I am Tom Herman.

[BudGirl]

Yes, it was a colossal fuck up by UH admin.  Thankfully nobody involved in that shit show are still around, the people running the show now are night and day.  The President Renu Khator has done absolutely amazing things since she has arrived.  Current UH is basically nothing like when I attended.   They have more beds on campus than anyone in the state other than A&M, facilities all around have been upgraded, and academic standing is steadily climbing.  I'm more worried about losing her than I am Tom Herman.

She is something.  I own more red that I ever thought I would and 95% of it has a U and an H on it.  I think the graduates now are more proud of the school than the previous group or two.  She's changed the culture and their expectations. 

I know a lot of people seem to want UH in the Big XII but I don't particularly want to go there.  I'd rather go to one of the other conferences.

[Navin R Johnson]

I'd take UH into the SEC.

As of UH fan that would be ideal, but I doubt that is happening.  Of course the SEC doesn't shy away from bringing in teams that could be good.  Meanwhile there is a group of Big12 fans that dont want UH because they are worried that UH might get too good. 

You'd think the idea would be to get the teams that would make for the most intriguing match-ups, seeing as that what ultimately drives TV ratings.

The SEC is so interesting because there are so many good to great teams and generally people like to watch football games b/w good teams.  But by all means add UCONN, I'm sure the UCONN Iowa State game will totally kill it in the Hartford market.... meanwhile enjoy those 3000 mile trips for the baseball, women's volleyball, softball, women's soccer, etc...

[MusicMan]

I'd love to watch UT-UH in football.

I'm being realistic because these moves have absolutely nothing to do with on-field play.

[MusicMan]

I know a lot of people seem to want UH in the Big XII but I don't particularly want to go there.  I'd rather go to one of the other conferences.

I don't blame you - I think remaining in the Big XII was the wrong move.

[BizidyDizidy]

I don't blame you - I think remaining in the Big XII was the wrong move.

Should've come west!

[Duke]

As of UH fan that would be ideal, but I doubt that is happening.  Of course the SEC doesn't shy away from bringing in teams that could be good.  Meanwhile there is a group of Big12 fans that dont want UH because they are worried that UH might get too good. 

You'd think the idea would be to get the teams that would make for the most intriguing match-ups, seeing as that what ultimately drives TV ratings.

The SEC is so interesting because there are so many good to great teams and generally people like to watch football games b/w good teams.  But by all means add UCONN, I'm sure the UCONN Iowa State game will totally kill it in the Hartford market.... meanwhile enjoy those 3000 mile trips for the baseball, women's volleyball, softball, women's soccer, etc...

No way they add UConn.  That's just ESPN BS.

[MusicMan]

Should've come west!

Yes, we should have.


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[Navin R Johnson]

UH doesn't add geography, TV sets, or basketball - and cuts into the recruiting base of several existing members.  Oh, and several UT board members still bear grudges against them.

No matter what Greg Abbott says, I'll be shocked if they're invited.

https://twitter.com/gregfenves/status/756222165591085056

Greg Fenves
‏@gregfenves

As we look at opportunities for Big 12 expansion, I support considering @UHouston for the conference. UH is a huge asset for Texas.

[BudGirl]

https://twitter.com/gregfenves/status/756222165591085056

Greg Fenves
‏@gregfenves

As we look at opportunities for Big 12 expansion, I support considering @UHouston for the conference. UH is a huge asset for Texas.

I guess they think they let UH into the B12 then UH will just forget they want into Houston.

[Duke]

From BON so take it for what it's worth.  Explains UT support for UH to to the Big 12

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/7/21/12253514/texas-land-deal-houston-big-12-expansion

[jbm]

I enjoy backstories, and this particular one might well be true, but it doesn't particularly add up to me.  Is Houston really UH's turf, so much so that UH's feelings warrant soothing by politicians?  Still seems more likely that this is just time honored politics: Fertitta gives money, expects favor and this is the favor.  I'm still not sure whether it is serious favor or lip service.

[Bench]

I enjoy backstories, and this particular one might well be true, but it doesn't particularly add up to me.  Is Houston really UH's turf, so much so that UH's feelings warrant soothing by politicians?  Still seems more likely that this is just time honored politics: Fertitta gives money, expects favor and this is the favor.  I'm still not sure whether it is serious favor or lip service.

UH has strenuously objected to UT's purchase of three hundred or so acres south of the med center.  UH certainly feels that its an underhanded encroachment on its turf, and access to Big 12 TV money might assuage those objections. 

As a UH alum, I'm not as convinced.  UH has elevated itself to a Tier 1 academic institution and increased its on-campus residency to the second most number of beds in the state.  I certainly think there is room in Houston for both a destination public university as well as the type of commuter-based institution that UH once was.  I'm sure UH wants that population to attend UH-Downtown, Clear Lake, Sugar Land, etc... but this is a big town.  Competition is a good thing.

[MusicMan]

UH has strenuously objected to UT's purchase of three hundred or so acres south of the med center.

"Oh, is that how it works? 'I object.' 'Overruled.' 'I strenuously object!' 'Oh, well then let me think about it!'"

[Bench]

"Oh, is that how it works? 'I object.' 'Overruled.' 'I strenuously object!' 'Oh, well then let me think about it!'"

I was wondering if anyone would pick up the reference!

[Navin R Johnson]

I enjoy backstories, and this particular one might well be true, but it doesn't particularly add up to me.  Is Houston really UH's turf, so much so that UH's feelings warrant soothing by politicians?  Still seems more likely that this is just time honored politics: Fertitta gives money, expects favor and this is the favor.  I'm still not sure whether it is serious favor or lip service.

First off, Tilman gives nowhere near enough money to expect a favor.  2nd UT bypassed the State Higher education board when making the purchase, which is what has Whitmire up in arms.   As for UH, if UT is opening a campus that will be a grad/research institution only and not provide duplicate services, no problem.

The state doesn't have infinite resources to devote to higher education.  For example, A&M tried to buy South Texas College of Law many years ago, that got shot down due to UH law.  UH has been trying to open a medical school that has been shot down so far.

A side note, from UH people I know, It would be near impossible to get more rave reviews over McRaven.   I think this will end with a solution that is best for all parties, UH, UT and Texas tax payers.

[Navin R Johnson]

From the political angle, I think this is what it comes down too.

Big12 TV money is 25 million a year, plus millions and millions of dollars in tourism for games. 

Do we as Texans want that FREE money going to Ohio or Tennessee or Connecticut or Louisiana, etc... or have that money come to Texas?

[jbm]

150K is what I read, to Abbott. I'm not a politico, but I assume that is significant.

If it is important to UH, just get it stopped through governmental channels and more significantly, if it is truly important, why would you trade it in for sports prestige?

I don't have a problem with UH's inclusion in an expanded Big 12, I just don't get how this issue should be related to it.

[Navin R Johnson]

150K is what I read, to Abbott. I'm not a politico, but I assume that is significant.

If it is important to UH, just get it stopped through governmental channels and more significantly, if it is truly important, why would you trade it in for sports prestige?

I don't have a problem with UH's inclusion in an expanded Big 12, I just don't get how this issue should be related to it.

150K gets you a meeting, not a bunch of political favors.

Just going by the articles, UH has stopped it through political channels, now UT is willing to horse trade support for UH in the Big12, for the campus in Houston.  Why didn't UT go through the proper political channels to purchase the land?

I for one don't think there is much to the UT Houston campus/Big inclusion.

I think our state reps don't want to see 100's of millions of dollars going to Ohio, Connecticut, Tennessee,  when it could easily come to Texas, despite some schools being worried about recruiting.

[BudGirl]

I believe some other schools in the UT System would have liked some of the money used for the purchase of that land. 

I also think Abbot and former governor perry love khator. That's good for UH.


I find the two issues separate.  Also all regents, regardless of the board they serve, contribute politically.

[Nate Colbert]

ESPN and Fox Sports not happy with those expansion plans.

[Nate Colbert]

11 teams remaining in the "Join Our League Just Before We Implode" derby:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincinnatti
UConn
Colorado State
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Tulane

Link

[Lefty]

I'm a bit surprised they nixed Memphis before some of the others.

[MusicMan]

I'm a bit surprised they nixed Memphis before some of the others.

Delivering the rejection via UPS was especially cruel.

Realistically, though - Memphis is barely community college level in academics. The presidents were never going to allow it.


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[Fredia]

wait academics has something to do with football nations? (said with tongue in cheek)

[NeilT]

I'd rather see UH in the SEC.

Me too. or the Pac 12.

[NeilT]

I believe some other schools in the UT System would have liked some of the money used for the purchase of that land. 

I also think Abbot and former governor perry love khator. That's good for UH.


I find the two issues separate.  Also all regents, regardless of the board they serve, contribute politically.

That's why they're regents.

[Navin R Johnson]

My one takeaway so far from b12 expansion talks is that UT is the only school in the conference that isn't huge pussies.

[HudsonHawk]

Me too. or the Pac 12.

While we'd all love to see UH in the SEC, let's face it...they're miles away from being SEC material.  For the SEC to consider you, you'd have to sell out 100,000 seats every week, even after three consecutive seasons of 2-9.  There needs to a be a 4 year waiting list for season tickets.  It's not just about what you've done on the field the last few seasons.  *

*I don't know the actual requirements, if any, for the SEC, but you get the point.  Years and years of sustained support through thick and thin are the bare minimum.   

[jbm]

SEC?  You could be the Aggies new rival. 

[austro]

UH not really looking like BCS material so far tonight.

[hostros7]

UH not really looking like BCS material so far tonight.

A delay of game penalty from the one yard line is inexcusable. At the least, a time out should have been burned. Even though UH has the lead again, cinci was on the ropes and reeling, and it changed the complexion of the game.


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[BudGirl]

Todd Orlando is gone next season.

UH has a good defense.

[MusicMan]

UH not really looking like BCS material so far tonight.

I haven't seen a team give up 28 points that quickly since Manny Diaz.


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[Navin R Johnson]

UH not really looking like BCS material so far tonight.

Yeah, maybe they should suck like 1/3 of the "bcs" schools... SMH

[MusicMan]

Yeah, maybe they should suck like 1/3 of the "bcs" schools... SMH

Remember, realignment has ZERO to do with on field performance, and little to do with logic.


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[HudsonHawk]

Remember, realignment has ZERO to do with on field performance, and little to do with logic.


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For some reason, most Cougar fans don't seem to get this concept.  You can't simply win your way into a P5 conference in today's world, especially one UT controls.  If the Big XII calls, UH jumps.  Period.  That's all there is to it.  But don't act surprised when they don't.

And to all the talk about the SEC...I love you guys, but you've completely lost your marbles.

[Navin R Johnson]

UT is the one pushing UH.  The Northern schools dont want another Texas school though.  I think if they expand, UT will get their pick UH, and OU will get their pick Cincy.

There is a lot more to expansion than winning, but it obviously matters.  UH finally has political stroke in the state, which I assume is why UT is pushing for UH so hard.

[MusicMan]

UT is the one pushing UH.  The Northern schools dont want another Texas school though.  I think if they expand, UT will get their pick UH, and OU will get their pick Cincy.

There is a lot more to expansion than winning, but it obviously matters.  UH finally has political stroke in the state, which I assume is why UT is pushing for UH so hard.

I'm not convinced that UT isn't making a public push for UH to curry favor while knowing that UH will never have the votes.


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[BudGirl]

Yeah, I don't trust UT.  They look out for UT, as they should. 

[Navin R Johnson]

UT wants UH because there are tons of UT alums in Houston. They are tired of the SEC/Aggie stuff here. That and it is good for the state, which is why the politicians want it.

[MusicMan]

UT wants UH because there are tons of UT alums in Houston. They are tired of the SEC/Aggie stuff here. That and it is good for the state, which is why the politicians want it.

I'm in Houston, I see every UT game, even without UH in the conference.

[Navin R Johnson]

I'm in Houston, I see every UT game, even without UH in the conference.

Not in person.  But whatever.  If Dodds was still there, UH has no shot.  The folks running UT now want UH, the rest of the conference are a bunch of short-sighted pussies.   

[hostros7]

I think they're supporting UH in order to reduce opposition to the plans for a UT-Houston campus, knowing that UH won't get the votes to enter the Big XII either way. UH won't be admitted to the conference and UT has an easier path to getting the Houston campus built. Classic UT wins, everyone else loses scenario.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Todd Orlando is gone next season.

UH has a good defense.

Steven Taylor seems really good.

[MusicMan]

Fuck the Big 12 and their reign of incompetence. I hope the whole goddamn conference burns to the ground and takes Baylor to hell with it.


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[Mr. Happy]

Fuck the Big 12 and their reign of incompetence. I hope the whole goddamn conference burns to the ground and takes Baylor to hell with it.


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UT is welcome in the SEC. Just sayin'.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Navy sure has a good coach. The Coogs really missed Steven Taylor.

[Nate Colbert]

ESPN and Fox Sports not happy with those expansion plans.

Big XII (pocketing money): oh hey, maybe you're right and we'll stay at 10 after all.

Link

[Bench]

Appears to be official that there will be no expanding.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Appears to be official that there will be no expanding.

Insecurity and greed are why the Big 12 is by a good measure the worst of the power five conferences.

[jbm]

To UH fans.  Since Texas appears to looking for a new coach and Mr. Herman keeps getting mentioned, I need insight from those who follow UH football closely. 

Basically, why the decline? 

[BudGirl]

To UH fans.  Since Texas appears to looking for a new coach and Mr. Herman keeps getting mentioned, I need insight from those who follow UH football closely. 

Basically, why the decline? 

My opinions:
The other teams have scored more points. 
Underestimating their opponents
Bad play (turnovers)

For all I know, maybe he's not coaching the team to victory so other teams will leave him alone.

I'm also sure Navin will have better and probably real answers.

[homer]

Bad play (turnovers)

I didn't watch the SMU game, but this was the difference in the Navy game. If he keeps one of the giveaways, they win. If he doesn't turn the ball over, they blow them out.

[Navin R Johnson]

The team is mentally and physically beat up.  I figured at some point Herman's style would catch up to him, I just didn't expect it to happen against a team as crappy as SMU.

He prides himself on challenging the kids over and over, every practice.  All practices are full pads, full contact.   He has done a masterful job of playing up the us against the world theme.  Both of those things are why UH lost 2/3 and barely beat Tulsa at home.

To use a horse raising analogy, he is like a jockey that goes to the whip from the bell to the finish line.  The team is beat up (including 2nd best DL out thanks to a fight in practice, labeled as horseplay).  Bunch of guys have missed times due to concussion protocol.   But this is part of the culture he wants to build.  It is 100% every minute, every single day.  If UH had 4 recruiting classes under Herman, I'd think we'd have the depth to overcome, we dont though.

I'd be curious to see how this type of camp/practice plays with the more prima donna 4/5 star recruits. 

He has great at playing the UH vs the world, well after the OU win and getting a top 6 ranking, and non stop playoff talk.....it was hard to motivate based on getting disrespected.  Speaking of, he made a bunch of petty remarks about SMU this summer, saying stuff like if your goal is to win 6 games, there is a private school in Dallas for you, we have higher goals....oops. 

As the underdog, the team plays like world beaters, but there is a ton of room for growth when it comes to playing as favorites.  The last 3 games UH was a 3 TD favorite in each.  Lost 2, barely won the other.  See Memphis, Cincy, UConn last season, and Navy, Tulsa, SMU this season.

The offensive playcalling has been maddening as well, they are extremely stubborn trying to run the ball up the middle, when our guards are young and ineffective.  it is literally trying to do what is least likely to succeed, and they do it over and over and over.

He is young though, he has coached less than 2 years.  I think he is smart enough to learn from his mistakes,  at some point.  I will be interested to see what they look like this week playing at 11AM vs a really meh UCF team, who will be fired up to avenge the ass whipping they took at home last year.

[jbm]

Thanks for the quality insight.  More than I could hope for.

By the way, I've watched SMU a bunch this year, and while the loss certainly surprised me, I expected a tough contest.  Morris is building something there and you can see their confidence increase game by game.

[juliogotay]

Thanks for the quality insight.  More than I could hope for.

By the way, I've watched SMU a bunch this year, and while the loss certainly surprised me, I expected a tough contest.  Morris is building something there and you can see their confidence increase game by game.

Maybe Chad Morris will become the flavor-of-the-week for the Texas folks.

[HudsonHawk]

To UH fans.  Since Texas appears to looking for a new coach and Mr. Herman keeps getting mentioned, I need insight from those who follow UH football closely. 

Basically, why the decline?

The word in the program is that everyone is simply beat to a pulp.  They played 4 games in 19 days, 6 games the first month of the season, and have not had a bye week.  They simply don't have the depth, and it caught up to them. 

I'm sure all the rumors on Herman leaving did not help matters either. 

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The Coogs are playing like shit. Down 21-3 at the half to a team that didn't win a game last year. Ward has been sacked three times by a guy with only one hand. One hand! Herman better get this team back on track or no one is going to want him. Hell, John Jenkins was 10-1 his first season. How'd that work out?

[juliogotay]

The Coogs are playing like shit. Down 21-3 at the half to a team that didn't win a game last year. Ward has been sacked three times by a guy with only one hand. One hand! Herman better get this team back on track or no one is going to want him. Hell, John Jenkins was 10-1 his first season. How'd that work out?

I wonder who the Texas' crowd, and I'm an ex, will be all in on now.

[jbm]

Hey, that was a pretty nice win.  They didn't quit.

I don't know shit about UCF's record, but their defense is pretty decent IMO.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Great come-back by the Cougars. Great upset of Baylor by the Longhorns.

[austro]

Great come-back by the Cougars. Great upset of Baylor by the Longhorns.

I think the BU and WVU losses today ensure that there will be no B12 team in the CFP this year. Not that there was a lot of hope prior to today.

[Mr. Happy]

Great come-back by the Cougars. Great upset of Baylor by the Longhorns.

I'm happy for Coach Strong, who seems to be a very good guy. I hope that he is successful. In my opinion, college football is better if Texas resumes its role as a powerhouse.

[Duke]

I think the game in Lubbock will show if Texas has really made progress.  It's been such a shit show on the road so far.  TT always plays UT tough at home.  Glad it's an early start.

[BlownRanger]

Great upset of Baylor by the Longhorns.

Kirk Bohls had the best line about this game:  "I'm pretty sure that officiating crew went to the replay booth to confirm it was Saturday".

[MRaup]

Kirk Bohls had the best line about this game:  "I'm pretty sure that officiating crew went to the replay booth to confirm it was Saturday".

Please don't ever quote that 180 pound sack of shit again.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Charlies Strong was 7-6 his first two years at Louisville, then when 11-2 and 12-1. It looked like a great hire.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Here's a nice feel-good story about the one handed linebacker from UCF that was a one man wrecking crew against UH last Saturday.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

D'Onta Foreman.

[Navin R Johnson]

What the hell was up with Brando declaring, this game is OVER if X happens from about the 6 minute mark on, over and over and over.  WTF.

[austro]

What the hell was up with Brando declaring, this game is OVER if X happens from about the 6 minute mark on, over and over and over.  WTF.

Yeah, that was nuts. Both defenses are capable of giving up a touchdown at any time. That game wasn't over until 5 minutes after the final gun. Speaking of which, did they review the final gun? They reviewed everything else.

[juliogotay]

What the hell was up with Brando declaring, this game is OVER if X happens from about the 6 minute mark on, over and over and over.  WTF.

Not exactly out of the broadcasting handbook.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

How is it possible for the Longhorns lose a football game to the Jayhawks?

[Lefty]

How is it possible for the Longhorns lose a football game to the Jayhawks?

Star RB and QB turned the ball over about 6 times, K missed another gimmie kick, defense missed making several big plays, entire team showed up unprepared to play in the 1st half.

[JimR]

Star RB and QB turned the ball over about 6 times, K missed another gimmie kick, defense missed making several big plays, entire team showed up unprepared to play in the 1st half.

yep, all of that plus a crappy call on Boyd's game winning interception.

[Lefty]

yep, all of that plus a crappy call on Boyd's game winning interception.

How do you feel about they way they've handled Strong's seemingly inevitable departure?  I haven't really followed the media/fan reaction, but to me it seems like there were 2 perfectly acceptable scenarios:  fire him Sunday morning or say nothing, do nothing, until after the TCU game.  Choosing the combo option (fire him Sunday yet officially do/say nothing until after TCU) seems unnecessarily distracting and disrespectful, and it doesn't paint the administration in a good light.

[austro]

How do you feel about they way they've handled Strong's seemingly inevitable departure?  I haven't really followed the media/fan reaction, but to me it seems like there were 2 perfectly acceptable scenarios:  fire him Sunday morning or say nothing, do nothing, until after the TCU game.  Choosing the combo option (fire him Sunday yet officially do/say nothing until after TCU) seems unnecessarily distracting and disrespectful, and it doesn't paint the administration in a good light.

Has anybody reputable said that they fired him Sunday? All I've seen are "unnamed sources", and I don't deem those very credible anymore. The administration and Charlie have all been saying the same thing: the situation will be evaluated after the season ends. Which seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me. The situation could become a little sticky should they win on Friday and qualify for (and get invited to) a bowl game.

[MusicMan]

Has anybody reputable said that they fired him Sunday? All I've seen are "unnamed sources", and I don't deem those very credible anymore. The administration and Charlie have all been saying the same thing: the situation will be evaluated after the season ends. Which seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me. The situation could become a little sticky should they win on Friday and qualify for (and get invited to) a bowl game.

"Unnamed sources" = Red McCombs


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[Lefty]

"Unnamed sources" = Red McCombs

Heh, I was seeing quotes in the Statesman from "unnamed high ranking officials" that seemed legit-ish.

[BlownRanger]

yep, all of that plus a crappy call on Boyd's game winning interception.

As a Kansas grad, I consider that call to be karma for Freeman John's phantom offensive pass interference call in the '04 game.

[austro]

If these players want Charlie to stay, they sure have an odd way of showing it.

[BizidyDizidy]

Guess they decided to boycott the game after all

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Sad to see Herman leave Houston but as along time Austin resident, I am happy it was for UT.

[VirtualBob]

Sad to see Herman leave Houston but as along time Austin resident, I am happy it was for UT.

From what I hear indirectly from inside sources, this did not go down as advertised.  I think Charlie should have done better at game management (and thus W-L record), but I also think he got shafted on this and should have been given a 4th year.  It also looks to me like Herman's real skills lie in manipulative negotiating tactics.  On the field as a coach, it looks to me like he is a risk-taker that results in some unexpected wins and some unexpected losses.  We'll see how that goes down in a couple of years.

[Mr. Happy]

From what I hear indirectly from inside sources, this did not go down as advertised.  I think Charlie should have done better at game management (and thus W-L record), but I also think he got shafted on this and should have been given a 4th year.  It also looks to me like Herman's real skills lie in manipulative negotiating tactics.  On the field as a coach, it looks to me like he is a risk-taker that results in some unexpected wins and some unexpected losses.  We'll see how that goes down in a couple of years.

My reservation about Herman was the fact that his defense at Houston was weak.

[BizidyDizidy]

From what I hear indirectly from inside sources, this did not go down as advertised.  I think Charlie should have done better at game management (and thus W-L record), but I also think he got shafted on this and should have been given a 4th year.  It also looks to me like Herman's real skills lie in manipulative negotiating tactics.  On the field as a coach, it looks to me like he is a risk-taker that results in some unexpected wins and some unexpected losses.  We'll see how that goes down in a couple of years.

It takes more than 3 years to figure out how to beat Kansas?

[HudsonHawk]

My reservation about Herman was the fact that his defense at Houston was weak.

Really?  This year the Cougars were ranked #2 in rushing defense, #14 in total defense, #12 in sacks, #18 in tackles for losses, #27 in scoring defense,  No, they aren't Alabama, but I wouldn't say they're "weak" either, especially considering the injuries they had on defense and general lack of depth available to G5 schools. 

[jbm]

It takes more than 3 years to figure out how to beat Kansas?

Agreed.  Charlie had ample time to show he was either making noticeable progress or at least learning on the job.  He failed to demonstrate either.  So much so that even a man who reportedly wanted very much to keep him lost faith.  His removal was as no brainer as it gets.

Hope Herman is the man for the job.

[BudGirl]

From what I hear indirectly from inside sources, this did not go down as advertised.  I think Charlie should have done better at game management (and thus W-L record), but I also think he got shafted on this and should have been given a 4th year.  It also looks to me like Herman's real skills lie in manipulative negotiating tactics. On the field as a coach, it looks to me like he is a risk-taker that results in some unexpected wins and some unexpected losses.  We'll see how that goes down in a couple of years.

Ding Ding Ding.

And Hudson is right, this was probably one of their best defenses ever.  I really like Orlando and I hope he gets the job.

[MusicMan]

Ding Ding Ding.

And Hudson is right, this was probably one of their best defenses ever.  I really like Orlando and I hope he gets the job.

I hope Major gets the UH job... so that Orlando will come to Austin.

[Mr. Happy]

Really?  This year the Cougars were ranked #2 in rushing defense, #14 in total defense, #12 in sacks, #18 in tackles for losses, #27 in scoring defense,  No, they aren't Alabama, but I wouldn't say they're "weak" either, especially considering the injuries they had on defense and general lack of depth available to G5 schools.

Memphis ran threw them like swiss cheese.

[BudGirl]

 

I hope Major gets the UH job... so that Orlando will come to Austin.

I don't know that Orlando would feel he is "home" like Herman does.  But, at least Orlando is willing to coach them through their bowl game.  Hope Herman can win your bowl game this year.

[BudGirl]

Memphis ran threw them like swiss cheese.

Louisville and OU didn't.

[MusicMan]

Memphis ran threw them like swiss cheese.

I think UH's players had pretty well thrown in the towel.  Look what they did against Louisville and OU.

[BudGirl]

I think UH's players had pretty well thrown in the towel.  Look what they did against Louisville and OU.

Why would a team of Tom Herman's throw in the towel?

[HudsonHawk]

Memphis ran threw them like swiss cheese.

They also completely dominated Louisville, the best offense in the country and likely Heisman winner.  They had their moments, but to say they were "weak" just isn't born out by the evidence. 

[MusicMan]

Why would a team of Tom Herman's throw in the towel?

If they knew they were no longer Tom Herman's team.


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[BizidyDizidy]

Are UH fans actually bitter that a coach left for Texas?

[BudGirl]

I don't think any one is surprised he left, they are upset about the way he did it.  He was not honest to anyone, players, administration, other FB teams, etc. 

UH is used to being a stepping stone school, but do we like being a stepping stone school?  No.


ETA:  While UT gives less than 2 shits about UH, UH is sick of UT.  For some, it is more than just Herman.

[HudsonHawk]

Are UH fans actually bitter that a coach left for Texas?

Exceptionally. At least some of them. I'm not one because I'm self aware.

[MusicMan]

UH may not like being a stepping stone, but guess what? Your next coach will likely come from another stepping stone

Unless they hire Briles, and in that case, I hope the entire athletic facility burns to the ground (with no injuries).


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[BizidyDizidy]

It's not really a situation that lends itself to honesty (which is true of any normal person looking to upgrade their job as well). Even worse when moronic reporters want to ask you about it over and over again.

[HudsonHawk]

UH may not like being a stepping stone, but guess what? Your next coach will likely come from another stepping stone

Unless they hire Briles, and in that case, I hope the entire athletic facility burns to the ground (with no injuries).


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UT is one of the five best coaching jobs in the country. It's the top of the profession. UH is not. But it's a pretty good gig, the best G5 job out there and better than a lot of P5 jobs. I don't like my school being a "stepping stone", but they've been on a pretty good run for the last 10 years. People talk about UH football. Sure, were getting filched, but that's because the program has had some success. That's the way it is and I'm not bitter at Briles or Sumlin or Herman because they got a better job.

[BudGirl]

UH may not like being a stepping stone, but guess what? Your next coach will likely come from another stepping stone

Unless they hire Briles, and in that case, I hope the entire athletic facility burns to the ground (with no injuries).


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Why would they hire Briles?  Seriously, why would you think UH would do that?

[HudsonHawk]

Why would they hire Briles?  Seriously, why would you think UH would do that?

Apparently it goes from God directly to UT. Everyone else  swims in the same pool of immoral filth.

[MusicMan]

Why would they hire Briles?  Seriously, why would you think UH would do that?

Because several reports have said that UH boosters (i.e., Fertitta) are interested in him.


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[MusicMan]

Apparently it goes from God directly to UT. Everyone else  swims in the same pool of immoral filth.

My apologies if I've infringed on your exclusive rights to be holier than thou.


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[HudsonHawk]

Because several reports have said that UH boosters (i.e., Fertitta) are interested in him.


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Fertitta is not a "booster", he's Chairman of the Board of Regents.  He signs the school's diplomas.  If you can point to a credible source that says the Board is considering hiring Briles, please do.  Otherwise, we'd appreciate you not engage in blind speculation, especially that which is so monumentally offensive. 

[HudsonHawk]

My apologies if I've infringed on your exclusive rights to be holier than thou.


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Fuck you and your UT "Best Fans in Football" schtick. 

[MusicMan]

Fertitta is not a "booster", he's Chairman of the Board of Regents.  He signs the school's diplomas.  If you can point to a credible source that says the Board is considering hiring Briles, please do.  Otherwise, we'd appreciate you not engage in blind speculation, especially that which is so monumentally offensive. 

Well, you can start here:

http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/article/UH-begins-coaching-search-in-wake-of-Tom-Herman-s-10637939.php

Another source said there are boosters ready to throw support behind Briles, who resurrected the UH program with four bowl appearances and a Conference USA title in five seasons from 2003-07.

I would think that you've known me long enough to know that I wouldn't blindly speculate that, but absent that, please and thank you, go fuck yourself.

[MusicMan]

Oh, and as for what Fertitta himself said:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168058/houston-board-regents-chairman-tilman-fertitta-was-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman

"Do I think that Briles got a bad rap to some degree? Obviously he did. But at the same time, you're the boss, and there was an issue there. So there's an issue. Does everybody deserve to be forgiven? Yes. There's a lot of controversy surrounding him. I think he's a great football coach, and we'll just have to see where it goes from here."

[HudsonHawk]

Well, you can start here:

http://www.chron.com/sports/cougars/article/UH-begins-coaching-search-in-wake-of-Tom-Herman-s-10637939.php
I would think that you've known me long enough to know that I wouldn't blindly speculate that, but absent that, please and thank you, go fuck yourself.

Duarte is a fucking hack who keeps repeating this (the only one), but there is as much credible information that UH is looking to hire Briles as there is that UT is looking to hire Jerry Sandusky to run their Little Longhorn Day Camp.

[MusicMan]

Go back and read Fertitta's own words.

I didn't make this up.

Kiss my ass.

[HudsonHawk]

Kiss my ass.

You're not Tom Herman and I'm not the University of Texas. 

[MusicMan]

You're not Tom Herman and I'm not the University of Texas.

Cute retort but totally ignores the fact that you said I made it up, I called you out on your bullshit, and you lack the basic decency to say you were wrong.


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[HudsonHawk]

Cute retort but totally ignores the fact that you said I made it up, I called you out on your bullshit, and you lack the basic decency to say you were wrong.


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I didn't say you made it up, I said you were engaging in speculation.  And you lack the decency to at least quote people honestly instead of making shit up. 

[MusicMan]

I didn't say you made it up, I said you were engaging in speculation.  And you lack the decency to at least quote people honestly instead of making shit up. 

BG asked me a question. Instead of giving me the chance to respond, you chose to imply that I was making it up. When you circled back, you said:

If you can point to a credible source that says the Board is considering hiring Briles, please do.  Otherwise, we'd appreciate you not engage in blind speculation, especially that which is so monumentally offensive.

So please tell me what, exactly, in the time you have known me, leads you to assume that I would willfully assume something I have already said is offensive without basing it on some level of evidence?

Because it appears to me that the two possibilities are that you believe I just wantonly speculate without reading any reporting, or else you believe I'm intentionally offensive.

[BudGirl]

I don't think Briles will be hired.  I could be wrong but I don't think I am.  And Tilman wasn't the one that found Herman, that was Spencer Armour.  Tilman was willing to open up his checkbook, again.

And MM, you seem to be being a bit of an asshole over the issue of UT/Herman/UH.  I don't know why you would give 2 shits about the moves UH makes.  UT does whatever it wants to ensure they get what they want.  I would love to see the legislature tell UT and Tech that since they are getting extra TV money they are going to move some state funding to UH.  I know that would never happen, but hey I can dream too.

And again, I think Orlando is a top candidate.  He wasn't listed in that chron article as a candidate only that he had expressed interest as the interim coach.  His interview today was kind of interesting, IMO.

The chron is a joke when it comes to coverage of UH.  After all, the Big XII rejected UH.  While that isn't false, it sure isn't true.  They rejected everyone, but the headline was a shitty one in regards to UH.  So, fuck the chron.

[chuck]

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[MusicMan]

And MM, you seem to be being a bit of an asshole over the issue of UT/Herman/UH.  I don't know why you would give 2 shits about the moves UH makes.

I don't give 2 shits about who UH hires. I do care who UT hires, hence my comment about hoping that Orlando doesn't get the job. But I VERY much care about the thought of pond scum like Briles getting another job, and whoever chooses to do that, my full ire will be directed there.

[homer]

So please tell me what, exactly, in the time you have known me, leads you to assume that I would willfully assume something I have already said is offensive without basing it on some level of evidence?

Because it appears to me that the two possibilities are that you believe I just wantonly speculate without reading any reporting, or else you believe I'm intentionally offensive.

"If I find my bias confirmed on some website, I'm totally safe, no longer speculating, and totally not offensive"

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I just can't see Renu Khator hiring Art Briles.

[HudsonHawk]

So please tell me what, exactly, in the time you have known me, leads you to assume that I would willfully assume something I have already said is offensive without basing it on some level of evidence?

You really don't want to know the answer to that. 

[MusicMan]

You really don't want to know the answer to that.

Ok. Then you really do think I'm an asshole. Thanks for clearing that up.


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[HudsonHawk]

Ok. Then you really do think I'm an asshole. Thanks for clearing that up.


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I think you are generally a pretty good guy, with whom I agree on most things, including politics.  But when it comes to things UT, you are an insufferable egomaniac.  To put it nicely. 

[JimR]

back to the subject instead of this name-calling pissing match, I do not care if we hire Orlando, but I do want a good DC. Under no circumstances should UT even consider bringing Major back.

[MusicMan]

Under no circumstances should UT even consider bringing Major back.

Completely agreed.



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[HudsonHawk]

back to the subject instead of this name-calling pissing match, I do not care if we hire Orlando, but I do want a good DC. Under no circumstances should UT even consider bringing Major back.

Most Cougar fans I know are hoping Orlando keeps the HC job.  How well he prepares them for the bowl game after losing half the coaching staff will go a long way in how the hiring folks think about him. 

[Duke]

back to the subject instead of this name-calling pissing match, I do not care if we hire Orlando, but I do want a good DC. Under no circumstances should UT even consider bringing Major back.

I'be read that major is basically blocked from coming back to UT due to the Kearny lawsuit.  Is this true?

[MusicMan]

I'be read that major is basically blocked from coming back to UT due to the Kearny lawsuit.  Is this true?

Even if it's not a legal prohibition, there's nothing that makes Major so special that it would be worth the headache.


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[JimR]

I'be read that major is basically blocked from coming back to UT due to the Kearny lawsuit.  Is this true?

depends on which website you read. I do not know.

[JimR]

Even if it's not a legal prohibition, there's nothing that makes Major so special that it would be worth the headache.


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agreed. from what I have been told, he has been a self-centered asshole his entire time at UT including as a player.

[jbm]

agreed. from what I have been told, he has been a self-centered asshole his entire time at UT including as a player.

I assume this answers the question I was going to ask about "why 'hell no' to Major."  I have absolutely no opinion of the guy, or his skills as an OC and assume that is Herman's area anyway.

[juliogotay]

depends on which website you read. I do not know.

I certainly don't know the answer to that either but it would be seem to be politically very incorrect from an institution that is anything but.

[BudGirl]

I just can't see Renu Khator hiring Art Briles.

She won't.

[Waldo]

I assume this answers the question I was going to ask about "why 'hell no' to Major."  I have absolutely no opinion of the guy, or his skills as an OC and assume that is Herman's area anyway.

My impression of the general UT fan (myself included) is that Major is a good/great QB coach and probably a decent enough OC who may have been hamstrung my Mack's meddling, but also simultaneously has the Mack stink on him.  Without looking up scores and stats, I have a neutral recollection of Major's 2013 UT offense.

[BizidyDizidy]

She won't.

Lane Kiffin will be funnier anyways.

[Navin R Johnson]

Couple of things.

Herman's coaching.  Spectacular when focused, look no further than the 6-0 record vs top 25 teams and 3-0 record vs top 5 teams.  When not, SMU and UCONN debacles.  Of course the lack of focus at UH was talks about him taking another job (USCe last year, UT this year).   

Defense, see above, when focused UH has played spectacular defense, Orlando is fantastic as a DC.  He is near the top of my list for next coach....but he has some red flags, very limited exposure in Texas, very limited resume (coached at UH, Utah State, UConn) I'd ONLY hire him if he had a really good OC and a bunch of real quality assistants lined up.  The money will be there for that.

Granted it is a somewhat arbitrary #, but UH has only allowed more than 40s twice under Orlando/Herman (both times this season, both times on the road).  Bad games happen, Bama has allowed 40 or more 3 times in the last 2 seasons.  Some of the game plans Orlando came up with (Navy last year, FSU Last year in particular) were just genius. 

Back to Herman.  While he obviously wont be dealing with coaching speculation (unless the NFL or Ohio State come calling), while at UH he performed best when UH was the underdog, he was fantastic at getting the kids to buy into the "us against the world" and disrespected aspect, he aint gonna have many games at UT to use that tactic.

He is also over the top demanding and pushes and pushes the kids extremely hard, full pad, hard hitting practice, 110% in everything everyday every hour.  This directly lead to the Navy and SMU losses, as the team was beat to hell and several of the injuries were practice related.  Obviously UT will be much deeper with talented players, but he doesn't seem to know when to let up.  He is like a jockey going to the whip from gate to the finish line.

I questioned last year, if at some point it was going to be an issue with the kids, physically and mentally.  I think for a couple 3 years it can work, but in the long run he is going to have to adjust.  Which he likely will, he is a really smart guy.

As for offense, he can be extremely stubborn.  The Uconn loss, while partly injuries and partly coaching speculation, was mainly lost because of his ridiculous notion to keep running the ball up the middle.  The one and only strength of that team was their DLine (3 potential NFLers) yet we just kept running inside over and over.  he admitted later that it was a mistake, yet we kept doing it this year, with worse RBs and a much worse OL.

The last redflag on Tom is he is just childishly thin skinned, it is his biggest flaw.  His battles with the media here are well documented, and while some of our fans cheered it on (myself included in some circumstances) it was just immature and dumb.  He simply can't continue to act like that at a school like UT where the media spotlight is going to be 10 fold.

[Navin R Johnson]

On UH coaching.  Briles is not happening, no way, no how.  You can cite whatever article you want, not happening.

There are a few former players and former teammates of Art that love the guy and the are blinded by their friendship as to the reality.  Those are the only people at UH even remotely considering Art. But 100% no way Art is hired, I know that for a fact.

As of today, the leading candidates are Holgorsen, Orlando, Montgomery, Les Miles, Applewhite.  Mullen has contacted UH, but I think his interest is simply to get a raise, although he already makes 4.8 at MSU, which no way UH would pay.

The Holgorsen is 100% legit, some people will roll their eyes because of the P5/G5 thing, but it has real legs.  Dana hates his AD, doesn't like living out there and knows WVU is always going to be a second class team in the Big12.   He is buddies with Tilman and loves the city of Houston.   He might end up getting an extension from WVU that he can't refuse, if not....

[jbm]

Awesome report.  Much appreciated.

Curious, what was genius about the gameplan against Navy?  Watched Air Force recently, and know Navy has some offensive similarities, and am fascinated on how a DC approaches that outlier in a season full of more traditional or spread type offenses.

[jbm]

Holgersen would be a great get.  Really good coach, and someone who is in it to presumably stay for a while.

[Navin R Johnson]

Lastly on Herman's departure.  We all knew that Tom's 2 dream jobs were UT or OSU.  So him leaving for UT is no surprise.  In the end he left UH better than he found it, although a fucking FOURTH place finish in the AAC West is worse than Tony Levine did his last 2 seasons...  But we now have broke ground on a brand new 20 million dollar indoor practice facilities, and completed or budgeted a bunch of other facility upgrades.  Season tickets went from 12K to over 20K and he did a tremendous job of getting the students and city involved.

Speaking of that IPF, to several boosters he said, if you break ground on that by the end of the season, I guarantee I will stay for 4 years.   Nobody was expecting Tom to stay for 10 years, but we just hoped he'd stay for 3 or 4.  2 years just kills recruiting.   He stayed loyal to OSU (which everyone was happy with) and coached their through their CFB wins.   But that severely hampered recruiting, so year 1s class was pretty meh.   Last year class was great, but now this year's class (while holding strong for now) could easily unravel.   When he came to UH, he stated it wasn't honorable to go after any kids he contacted while at OSU.  Fair enough, but what is one of the 1st things he does at UT, calls up the QB committed to play for UH.  That is just shitty.   And now there are rumors he is going to poach Kyle Allen.

UH tripled his salary from OSU, gave him his first head coaching gig, a gig good enough that it propelled him to his dream job, and he turns around and acts like that?  That is pretty low class imo.

He made a lot of promises to people and players and preached Honesty as his #1 core value.  Not so much.

At the end of the day, I (and most UH fans) don't begrudge him taking his dream job, but his exit has changed my opinion of him to a certain degree.

[Navin R Johnson]

Awesome report.  Much appreciated.

Curious, what was genius about the gameplan against Navy?  Watched Air Force recently, and know Navy has some offensive similarities, and am fascinated on how a DC approaches that outlier in a season full of more traditional or spread type offenses.

From Duarte.

The unique Navy offense, Herman said, allowed UH to move safeties Trevon Stewart and Khalil Williams to cornerback and Brandon Wilson to running back. Wilson, the Cougars' regular starter at cornerback, picked up the load in the absence of leading rusher Kenneth Farrow (ankle) and had 22 carries for 111 yards and two touchdowns.

UH's defense bottled up quarterback and Heisman Trophy hopeful Keenan Reynolds and Navy's vaunted triple-option attack. The Midshipmen had 76 rushing yards on their opening drive but managed just 71 the rest of the game.

The UH coaching staff began preparing for the triple-option in the spring, throughout preseason camp and every Sunday the past two months. The preparation paid off as Navy (9-2, 7-1) - No. 15 in the College Football Playoff rankings - was held well below its season average of 348.4 yards that ranked second in Football Bowl Subdivision. Instead, Navy was forced to pass with Reynolds completing 13 of 16 attempts for 312 yards and a touchdown.

[BudGirl]

Lastly on Herman's departure.  We all knew that Tom's 2 dream jobs were UT or OSU.  So him leaving for UT is no surprise.  In the end he left UH better than he found it, although a fucking FOURTH place finish in the AAC West is worse than Tony Levine did his last 2 seasons...  But we now have broke ground on a brand new 20 million dollar indoor practice facilities, and completed or budgeted a bunch of other facility upgrades.  Season tickets went from 12K to over 20K and he did a tremendous job of getting the students and city involved.

Speaking of that IPF, to several boosters he said, if you break ground on that by the end of the season, I guarantee I will stay for 4 years.   Nobody was expecting Tom to stay for 10 years, but we just hoped he'd stay for 3 or 4.  2 years just kills recruiting.   He stayed loyal to OSU (which everyone was happy with) and coached their through their CFB wins.   But that severely hampered recruiting, so year 1s class was pretty meh.   Last year class was great, but now this year's class (while holding strong for now) could easily unravel.   When he came to UH, he stated it wasn't honorable to go after any kids he contacted while at OSU.  Fair enough, but what is one of the 1st things he does at UT, calls up the QB committed to play for UH.  That is just shitty.   And now there are rumors he is going to poach Kyle Allen.

UH tripled his salary from OSU, gave him his first head coaching gig, a gig good enough that it propelled him to his dream job, and he turns around and acts like that?  That is pretty low class imo.

He made a lot of promises to people and players and preached Honesty as his #1 core value.  Not so much.

At the end of the day, I (and most UH fans) don't begrudge him taking his dream job, but his exit has changed my opinion of him to a certain degree.

+1

[juliogotay]

+1

Unless it is completely mutual breakups are usually messy.

[BlownRanger]

When he came to UH, he stated it wasn't honorable to go after any kids he contacted while at OSU.  Fair enough, but what is one of the 1st things he does at UT, calls up the QB committed to play for UH.  That is just shitty.   And now there are rumors he is going to poach Kyle Allen.

That kind of hypocrisy IS shitty, and I'm not here to defend Herman.  But are you sure the QB commit didn't call Herman?  I've heard many, many coaches stress that distinction when explaining why kids are following them.  And I'm sure a lot of them were lying.

Saying what he did when he got to UH was probably unnecessary.  It would have been a lot simpler to say "those kids have committed to play for Coach Meyer at Ohio State.  It's a pretty hard sell to convince them that's now a bad idea".

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I hope they choose Montgomery for HFC of the Coogs.

[Lefty]

Just a couple?

[Bench]

At the end of the day, I (and most UH fans) don't begrudge him taking his dream job, but his exit has changed my opinion of him to a certain degree.

You hit the nail on the head.

[VirtualBob]

UH tripled his salary from OSU, gave him his first head coaching gig, a gig good lucky enough that it propelled him to his dream job, and he turns around and acts like that?  That is pretty low class imo.

He made a lot of promises to people and players and preached Honesty as his #1 core value.  Not so much.

Please tell me nobody is surprised by this.  I fear UT will learn a character lesson here.

[Navin R Johnson]

Please tell me nobody is surprised by this.  I fear UT will learn a character lesson here.

I dont get your edit, from good to lucky?

[Lefty]

In a victory for UH, the city, and basic human decency, Dr. Khator has now officially shot down Fertitta's brilliant idea to consider Briles for the coaching vacancy.

[MusicMan]

Fertitta on Briles: "If I wanted to interview him, he would have been interviewed."

Good for UH. Hopefully the speed and severity with which UH squashed these rumors is a sign of just how unhireable he is.


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[Navin R Johnson]

UT is now trying to get out of paying Hermans 2.5 million dollar buyout according to the AAS. 

OK, 3 games at TDECU.  If not, pay up.

[jbm]

I find that hard to believe. AAS reporting doesn't lend much credence, to me at least.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

UT is now trying to get out of paying Hermans 2.5 million dollar buyout according to the AAS. 

OK, 3 games at TDECU.  If not, pay up.

If UT doesn't pay it, Herman must. I believe it's binding.

[Bench]

If UT doesn't pay it, Herman must. I believe it's binding.

Definitely binding.  That's why the hiring institution always pays it off as part of bringing the coach on board.  I can't believe there's any discussion at all.

[Navin R Johnson]

Definitely binding.  That's why the hiring institution always pays it off as part of bringing the coach on board.  I can't believe there's any discussion at all.

The only thing I can think of is the terms of payment.  I think the money is due in 30 days, maybe they are asking for more time. 

[VirtualBob]

I dont get your edit, from good to lucky?

Call it editorial opinion. He led them to some unexpected wins while suffering some unexpected losses. I never saw him as any kind of brilliant game manager.

[BizidyDizidy]

Lane Kiffin will be funnier anyways.

Getting closer.... Also, why is Les Miles being mentioned as a candidate? A national championship winning SEC coach is going to take a job at Houston?

[Mr. Happy]

Getting closer.... Also, why is Les Miles being mentioned as a candidate? A national championship winning SEC coach is going to take a job at Houston?

Don't be surprised. That's how badly Miles wants to be back out on the field chewing grass.

[Navin R Johnson]

Getting closer.... Also, why is Les Miles being mentioned as a candidate? A national championship winning SEC coach is going to take a job at Houston?

Because he was fired and the other P5 jobs passed?   But being reported now that he is out and its down to Kiffin/Orlando/Major.

[HudsonHawk]

Getting closer.... Also, why is Les Miles being mentioned as a candidate? A national championship winning SEC coach is going to take a job at Houston?

I guess all the assistant jobs at ACC schools are filled.  A head coaching gig at Houston is the next best thing. 

[Bench]

Because he was fired and the other P5 jobs passed?   But being reported now that he is out and its down to Kiffin/Orlando/Major.

I like Orlando but it's really hard to be excited about the other two.  Jeez.  Even Holgerson seemed intriguing. 

[HudsonHawk]

I like Orlando but it's really hard to be excited about the other two.  Jeez.  Even Holgerson seemed intriguing.

You hire Kiffin, you're doing this again in two years.  Probably the same with Applewhite.  Orlando?  Maybe, maybe not.  Berman was saying a few hours ago that Miles is still on the table. 

[Ebby Calvin]

You hire Kiffin, you're doing this again in two years.  Probably the same with Applewhite.  Orlando?  Maybe, maybe not.  Berman was saying a few hours ago that Miles is still on the table.

I don't think Miles is a long-term solution either, given success.

[Mr. Happy]

I don't think Miles is a long-term solution either, given success.

Miles would be more inclined to stay for five years or more, which is longer than any alternative. Plus, he's a great Texas state recruiter.

[MusicMan]

Lance Z says this morning it will be Kiffin.


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[MusicMan]

OTOH, Berman says no decision yet.


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[HudsonHawk]

Lance Z says this morning it will be Kiffin.


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Ferrita of the radio just now saying reports that Kiffin has been offered the job is "bad information". No offer has been made to Kiffin.

[MikeyBoy]

Lance Z says this morning it will be Kiffin.


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Lance is just connecting dots based on Kiffin contacting a few guys about joining his staff. Kiffin is likely just being proactive knowing he is getting a job, be it UH or USF.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Hasn't Kiffen fucked up every head coaching opportunity he's been given? Where the two college jobs not at "blue blood" P5 schools and yet he still managed to drop a stinky turd on them? Same guy, right?

[Mr. Happy]

Hasn't Kiffen fucked up every head coaching opportunity he's been given? Where the two college jobs not at "blue blood" P5 schools and yet he still managed to drop a stinky turd on them? Same guy, right?

Check out Daniel Tosh's Kiffen's Koffin Korner.

[BudGirl]

Check out Daniel Tosh's Kiffen's Koffin Korner.

it says a lot about him.  and not in a good way.

[Navin R Johnson]

If he is hired, I hope being under Saban matured him, and that he kicks ass for 2/3 years and gets a P5 job.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm not saying he would be a bad hiring, people who know college football best seem to think highly of his skills.

[HudsonHawk]

Hasn't Kiffen fucked up every head coaching opportunity he's been given? Where the two college jobs not at "blue blood" P5 schools and yet he still managed to drop a stinky turd on them? Same guy, right?

He actually did pretty well turning around Tennessee, which is what led USC to hire him away.  And he was 28-15 at USC.  Not stellar, but not really a "stinky turd" either, especially considering the sanctions he was dealing with from Carroll. 

[HudsonHawk]

If he is hired, I hope being under Saban matured him, and that he kicks ass for 2/3 years and gets a P5 job.

He was pretty young in most of his head coaching gigs.  31 having to work for Al Davis.  34 taking over Pete Carroll's clusterfuck at USC. 

[Ebby Calvin]

Miles would be more inclined to stay for five years or more, which is longer than any alternative. Plus, he's a great Texas state recruiter.

I don't know much about the guy, other than his coaching career at LSU.  But he's still a big name and went through a really messy firing.  I think if he has success at UH, ESPN and other media outlets will start running redemption stories and convince him that he's better than a non-P5 school.

I'm not knocking UH here, and this isn't Longhorn elitism talking (I went to UH for a bit, too).  But if he even sniffs a CFP spot in the first three years and [insert random P5 school] comes calling, he gone.

[Mr. Happy]

I don't know much about the guy, other than his coaching career at LSU.  But he's still a big name and went through a really messy firing.  I think if he has success at UH, ESPN and other media outlets will start running redemption stories and convince him that he's better than a non-P5 school.

I'm not knocking UH here, and this isn't Longhorn elitism talking (I went to UH for a bit, too).  But if he even sniffs a CFP spot in the first three years and [insert random P5 school] comes calling, he gone.

Les Miles is a straight up classy guy. I don't think he'd do that. Plus, LSU is paying him $150,000 per month as a buyout.

[HudsonHawk]

I don't know much about the guy, other than his coaching career at LSU.  But he's still a big name and went through a really messy firing.  I think if he has success at UH, ESPN and other media outlets will start running redemption stories and convince him that he's better than a non-P5 school.

I'm not knocking UH here, and this isn't Longhorn elitism talking (I went to UH for a bit, too).  But if he even sniffs a CFP spot in the first three years and [insert random P5 school] comes calling, he gone.

Miles is also in his 60s, so perhaps he would be content to have the best G5 job out there.  Maybe not, but probably more so than Kiffin or Orlando or guys who are going to coach another 30 years. 

[BizidyDizidy]

He actually did pretty well turning around Tennessee, which is what led USC to hire him away.  And he was 28-15 at USC.  Not stellar, but not really a "stinky turd" either, especially considering the sanctions he was dealing with from Carroll.

He got fired on the tarmac and wasn't allowed on the team bus. Regardless of how you spin it, every head coaching job he's ever had has ended in abject disaster between him and the employer. Now he's hot shit because Alabama is good - nevermind every other assistant hired on that basis has been garbage as a head coach (Muschamp,  Smart, McElwain). GFL.

[Ebby Calvin]

Miles is also in his 60s, so perhaps he would be content to have the best G5 job out there.  Maybe not, but probably more so than Kiffin or Orlando or guys who are going to coach another 30 years.

That's a good point.

[Mr. Happy]

He got fired on the tarmac and wasn't allowed on the team bus. Regardless of how you spin it, every head coaching job he's ever had has ended in abject disaster between him and the employer. Now he's hot shit because Alabama is good - nevermind every other assistant hired on that basis has been garbage as a head coach (Muschamp,  Smart, McElwain). GFL.

Smart and McElwain aren't exactly garbage just yet.

[HudsonHawk]

He got fired on the tarmac and wasn't allowed on the team bus. Regardless of how you spin it, every head coaching job he's ever had has ended in abject disaster between him and the employer. Now he's hot shit because Alabama is good - nevermind every other assistant hired on that basis has been garbage as a head coach (Muschamp,  Smart, McElwain). GFL.

I didn't say he was a nice guy who was beloved by his employer.  I said he didn't exactly lay big stinky turds as a coach. 

[homer]

Les Miles is a straight up classy guy. I don't think he'd do that.

I think you might need to go back to rehab.

[Navin R Johnson]

Herman has now offered 2 different kids that are UH commits.  Shady.

Weird to, this was just 24 months ago...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzL5nJcUsAEAYuD.jpg

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Herman has now offered 2 different kids that are UH commits.  Shady.

Weird to, this was just 24 months ago...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzL5nJcUsAEAYuD.jpg

The only difference is at OSU he was recruiting the players to play for HC Urban Myer at UH it was for HC Tom Herman. Still shady.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I didn't say he was a nice guy who was beloved by his employer.  I said he didn't exactly lay big stinky turds as a coach.

I was just saying he soiled his fabric of opportunity. Twice.

[Mr. Happy]

I think you might need to go back to rehab.

Thanks for the concern, but, no problems on this end. Seriously, Les Miles conducted himself with dignity and grace at LSU. He represented the university and state very well.

[BudGirl]

No one has posted the hire yet?

[Bench]

Of the final four, Major was the least appealing to me.  Oh well, best of luck.  Hopefully he is not throwing away his shot.

[JimR]

so glad. now that asshole will not be under consideration by UT.

[BizidyDizidy]

Wow. Are people happy with this?

[BudGirl]

Jim seems to be.

[MusicMan]

Wow. Are people happy with this?

I think they'd prefer Chris Simms.

[HudsonHawk]

Wow. Are people happy with this?

Jim is the only one. No one I know who is associated with UH is happy about this. This was the worst possible outcome.

[BudGirl]

Who did those who know associated with UH want?

[JimR]

I think they'd prefer Chris Simms.

I did then and now.

[MusicMan]

I did then and now.

I didn't then. I get it now.

[juliogotay]

I didn't then. I get it now.

What is the deal with Applewhite? I know about the student trainer but is there anything else I'm not aware of?

[hostros7]

Without any inside intel, this hiring seems like the result of Tillman's insistence that the new coach have a large buyout provision. Until it's in a P5, UH should embrace the fact that it's a rung on the ladder for the upwardly mobile.


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[hostros7]

Apparently not

College football sources told FOX 26 buyout for @UHCougarFB Coach Major Applewhite is remaining value of the contract if he chooses to leave


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I don't care for it at all. They could have done better.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Though, I do hope he does great.

[HudsonHawk]

Who did those who know associated with UH want?

Most wanted Orlando. 

[HudsonHawk]

Without any inside intel, this hiring seems like the result of Tillman's insistence that the new coach have a large buyout provision. Until it's in a P5, UH should embrace the fact that it's a rung on the ladder for the upwardly mobile.


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I don't care if it's a stepping stone job, as long as they keep winning and being ranked.  I'd rather win 10 games every year with a new coach than to win 5 with the same guy for 30 years. 

[HudsonHawk]

Apparently not

College football sources told FOX 26 buyout for @UHCougarFB Coach Major Applewhite is remaining value of the contract if he chooses to leave


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If they'd had that with Herman, the buyout would be about $12MM.  Perhaps not enough to stop UT, but enough to make other schools pause. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Most wanted Orlando. 

Big issue with Todd is he isn't a recruiter and doesn't have a bunch of ties to coaches in this region to hire as assistants.

While Kiffin is a bright OC and may have done well, he is a douchebag, would have been tough to root for him.

Given UHs competition, any coach that can recruit, and is capable of attracting a really good staff (like Sumlin & Herman did) is going to win a bunch of games.  Fingers crossed that Major can land a solid group of assistants.

With Ed Oliver on the DLine and Kyle Allen at QB and the other returning guys, there shouldn't be much if any drop of from what Herman did in 2016.

[HudsonHawk]

FWIT...Tillman interviewed on the radio, said Kiffin interviewed twice and was ready to sign and agreed to buyout clause, but UH was "bombarded" by a Texas high school coaches who said Applewhite was head and shoulders better for recruiting.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

FWIT...Tillman interviewed on the radio, said Kiffin interviewed twice and was ready to sign and agreed to buyout clause, but UH was "bombarded" by a Texas high school coaches who said Applewhite was head and shoulders better for recruiting.

Here is a link regarding what Fertitta said.
 
I'm starting to feel much better about Applewhite.

[Navin R Johnson]

So Les bombed every interview. Came in disorganized and unprepared. Got turned down by 4 schools, PER CBS Sports.

 Kiffin got passed over and over and has now landed at FAU.

And Herman has decided to offer yet another UH committ....

[MusicMan]

Apparently not

College football sources told FOX 26 buyout for @UHCougarFB Coach Major Applewhite is remaining value of the contract if he chooses to leave


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Berman now reporting that the buyout is for the remaining value of the contact, PLUS 50% if he goes to a Texas school.

[Bench]

Berman also reporting that Yuracheck offered UT a reduction in Herman's buyout if they agreed to a home and home basketball and football series but Perrin declined.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Berman also reporting that Yuracheck offered UT a reduction in Herman's buyout if they agreed to a home and home basketball and football series but Perrin declined.

Probably won't be any scheduling between schools as long as DeLoss Dodds is alive. Don't you know that removal of 4,100 unsafe temporary bleacher seats really set the UT program back.

[Ebby Calvin]

As a Longhorn fan, I love this.  I was never impressed with him as OC but that wasn't entirely his fault.  I don't know anything about him being an asshole, but I've seen enough smoke to expect a fire.  Not having to deal with the ongoing (albeint somewhat irrelevant) lawsuit helps.

As a Cougar fan, I like it.  He's done well recruiting in TX from Day 1, and his coaching pedigree is basically unmatched (Saban, Urban>Herman, Mack, probably a couple I missed).  Who knows how well he'll do, but he'll bring kids in and by now he should know what to do.  Kiffin would've been a bad move, same with Les.  I don't know Orlando much, but if the recruiting rumors are true he's a blah pick.

[HudsonHawk]

As a Longhorn fan, I love this.  I was never impressed with him as OC but that wasn't entirely his fault.  I don't know anything about him being an asshole, but I've seen enough smoke to expect a fire.  Not having to deal with the ongoing (albeint somewhat irrelevant) lawsuit helps.

As a Cougar fan, I like it.  He's done well recruiting in TX from Day 1, and his coaching pedigree is basically unmatched (Saban, Urban>Herman, Mack, probably a couple I missed).  Who knows how well he'll do, but he'll bring kids in and by now he should know what to do.  Kiffin would've been a bad move, same with Les.  I don't know Orlando much, but if the recruiting rumors are true he's a blah pick.

All sources seem to say that recruiting was the key, and Applewhite is simply better at it than the others.  Don't know if that's true, but that's certainly the perception. 

On a similar note...Applewhite was on Clay Travis's show this morning, and was asked how he sells UH to kids who are also being recruited by the Big 12 and SEC, and he basically said "sell them on the city of Houston and opportunities *after* football".  Obviously not the traditional route, but he said at UH you have to recruit outside the box, and he'll be looking for staff that think the same way.  He also mentioned the depth issues that UH traditionally has, exacerbated by the brutal front-end schedule they had this year...gotta plan better than that he says. 

[JimR]

As a Longhorn fan, I love this.  I was never impressed with him as OC but that wasn't entirely his fault.  I don't know anything about him being an asshole, but I've seen enough smoke to expect a fire.  Not having to deal with the ongoing (albeint somewhat irrelevant) lawsuit helps.

As a Cougar fan, I like it.  He's done well recruiting in TX from Day 1, and his coaching pedigree is basically unmatched (Saban, Urban>Herman, Mack, probably a couple I missed).  Who knows how well he'll do, but he'll bring kids in and by now he should know what to do.  Kiffin would've been a bad move, same with Les.  I don't know Orlando much, but if the recruiting rumors are true he's a blah pick.

he was an arrogant prick from his first day at UT, and he never changed. the lawsuit is hardly irrelevant. Good for Major. Now keep your ass away from UT.

[Duke]

Probably won't be any scheduling between schools as long as DeLoss Dodds is alive. Don't you know that removal of 4,100 unsafe temporary bleacher seats really set the UT program back.

I think the issue had more to do with UH not offering a refund to the folks that bought those tickets.  They were told they could watch the game at Hofheinz  Pavilion.  Pretty shitty.  It didn't hurt UT at all.

[HudsonHawk]

I think the issue had more to do with UH not offering a refund to the folks that bought those tickets.  They were told they could watch the game at Hofheinz  Pavilion.  Pretty shitty.  It didn't hurt UT at all.

UT sold the tickets, not UH.  They gave full refunds to the displaced ticket holders.  They showed the game at Hofheinz as well.

[Navin R Johnson]

Why is Texas haggling over a measly 2.5 million?    The Aggies had no problem paying Sumlin's buyout.  This whole thing is pretty odd.  UT groveling over 2.5 million, they are paying Charlie and staff like 10 to leave.

[HudsonHawk]

Why is Texas haggling over a measly 2.5 million?    The Aggies had no problem paying Sumlin's buyout.  This whole thing is pretty odd.  UT groveling over 2.5 million, they are paying Charlie and staff like 10 to leave.

What is there to haggle?  Herman has a buyout in his contract with UH.  He owes the money.  End of story. 

[BudGirl]

What is there to haggle?  Herman has a buyout in his contract with UH.  He owes the money.  End of story. 

It really boils down to who pays the money, Herman or UT.  If Herman pays, the UT pays him.  Personally, I don't care.  There really is no haggle.

If UT can stay out of Houston and I'd be thrilled. 

[Navin R Johnson]

What is there to haggle?  Herman has a buyout in his contract with UH.  He owes the money.  End of story. 

I agree with you there is nothing to haggle over, that is why I find it so strange that UT is trying to haggle.

[jbm]

Can you point me to what y'all are talking about.  I guess it is not surprising, but I never hear anything about UT "haggling" over Herman's buyout on UT centered sites.

[JimR]

I agree with you there is nothing to haggle over, that is why I find it so strange that UT is trying to haggle.

UT is not haggling. they turned down a home and home offered by UH to reduce the amount and will pay the full amount in cash.

[JimR]

Can you point me to what y'all are talking about.  I guess it is not surprising, but I never hear anything about UT "haggling" over Herman's buyout on UT centered sites.

Navin is wrong. may be the first time.

[Navin R Johnson]

https://twitter.com/bdavisaas/status/805183063760191489

[JimR]

https://twitter.com/bdavisaas/status/805183063760191489

that had to do with UH's proposal to trade home and home for dollars.

btw, Davis is very close to Bohls in anti-Texas writing.

[HudsonHawk]

that had to do with UH's proposal to trade home and home for dollars.

btw, Davis is very close to Bohls in anti-Texas writing.

Sounds like the whole thing was a mountain out of a molehill. UH said "hey, we'll reduce that buyout if you schedule a couple games with us". UT said "no thanks, we'll pay the money."  Not really much of a story there.

[JimR]

Sounds like the whole thing was a mountain out of a molehill. UH said "hey, we'll reduce that buyout if you schedule a couple games with us". UT said "no thanks, we'll pay the money."  Not really much of a story there.

exactly

[Bench]

Sounds like the whole thing was a mountain out of a molehill. UH said "hey, we'll reduce that buyout if you schedule a couple games with us". UT said "no thanks, we'll pay the money."  Not really much of a story there.

Other than UT's continued cowardice and pettiness, which of course is hardly "news".

[MusicMan]

Other than UT's continued cowardice and pettiness, which of course is hardly "news".

WFW

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Other than UT's continued cowardice and pettiness, which of course is hardly "news".

You left out their avarice and selfishness.

[MusicMan]

You left out their avarice and selfishness.

You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful.


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[Lefty]

They took Tilman's mother out to a nice seafood dinner, and it wasn't even at a Landry's restaurant.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

They took Tilman's mother out to a nice seafood dinner, and it wasn't even at a Landry's restaurant.

Well, you did say "nice seafood dinner" not "coconut shrimp-themed amusement park".

[JimR]

Other than UT's continued cowardice and pettiness, which of course is hardly "news".

so funny. lots of penis envy on display.

[HudsonHawk]

You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful.


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Since no one else is apparently gonna ask it...


I got one question for you...does Barry Manilow know you raid his wardrobe?

[MusicMan]

Since no one else is apparently gonna ask it...


I got one question for you...does Barry Manilow know you raid his wardrobe?

Shut up and make me a turkey pot pie.


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[Phil_in_CS]

Why is Texas haggling over a measly 2.5 million?    The Aggies had no problem paying Sumlin's buyout.  This whole thing is pretty odd.  UT groveling over 2.5 million, they are paying Charlie and staff like 10 to leave.

There were lawsuits filed over Chavez though, until they came to terms with LSU.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful.


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And punch drunk. And stinky.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

so funny. lots of penis envy on display.

It is funny. Because UT enticed said penis in the first place, because of envy at what UH accomplished with the penis . UT coveted that penis.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Obviously, I think and hope Herman is going to do great at UT. Buechele is already getting 2017 Heisman hype. I went to neither school, grew up in Houston, spent 20 years  as an adult in Austin. But the Cougars were the first team I followed as a boy.

[MusicMan]

Buechele is already getting 2017 Heisman hype.

What drunken idiot is hyping that?



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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

What drunken idiot is hyping that?



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I know...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/12/11/heisman-2017-jackson-probably-wont-repeat-so-who-wins/95299244/

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/11/who-will-be-the-favorite-for-the-heisman-trophy-in-2017-how-about-lamar-jackson/

There's more if you care to do a generic web search.

[JimR]

Obviously, I think and hope Herman is going to do great at UT. Buechele is already getting 2017 Heisman hype. I went to neither school, grew up in Houston, spent 20 years  as an adult in Austin. But the Cougars were the first team I followed as a boy.

"Buechele is already getting 2017 Heisman hype."

someone recently told me you are crazy. now I believe it.

[HudsonHawk]

It is funny. Because UT enticed said penis in the first place, because of envy at what UH accomplished with the penis . UT coveted that penis.

To be fair, UT wasn't the only one who wanted that penis.  That was the most popular penis in the country. 

[Mike S.]

It's a great penis, a terrific penis.  Many, many people are saying this.

Bigly.

[Ty in Tampa]

Too many dicks...

[Navin R Johnson]

Sounds like it's time for the big12 to drum up some phony expansion talk again to take the heat on another one of their despicable football programs.....

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article121415808.html

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

"Buechele is already getting 2017 Heisman hype."

someone recently told me you are crazy. now I believe it.

Several people questioned your reading comprehension skills. I never have.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Sounds like it's time for the big12 to drum up some phony expansion talk again to take the heat on another one of their despicable football programs.....

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article121415808.html

Unbelievable. David Boren, former Democratic Governor of Oklahoma, former Democratic U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, current President of the University of Oklahoma and supporter of beating women.

[chuck]

Not sure that Major's buyout clause is going to be a huge issue.

[HudsonHawk]

Not sure that Major's buyout clause is going to be a huge issue.

He's gonna have to find either someone to call plays or someone to be his head coach. He couldn't do both. He was a deer in the headlights today. I suspect he'll get better, but boy was he overwhelmed.

[Navin R Johnson]

Having a coaching staff made up of mostly GAs coach didn't help. 

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

If Dabo Swinney isn't the best coach in the country, he's at the very least, second best.

[HudsonHawk]

If Dabo Swinney isn't the best coach in the country, he's at the very least, second best.

He sounds the most like football too.

[Nate Colbert]

More Rape U allegations spilling out today.

Has UT listened to their alumni, admitted they fucked up and pulled the plug on Horny yet?

[Phil_in_CS]

More Rape U allegations spilling out today.

Has UT listened to their alumni, admitted they fucked up and pulled the plug on Horny yet?

I saw that earlier. Remembering the Baylor my sisters went to in the 1970s makes it hard to fathom this. That was 40 years ago, and the football team is a lot better now.

[austro]

... and the football team is a lot better now.

At a frightening price.

[chuck]

The only good thing about all of this horrible ugliness is that its epicenter is called McLane Stadium.

[Waldo]

More Rape U allegations spilling out today.

Has UT listened to their alumni, admitted they fucked up and pulled the plug on Horny yet?

Mike Perrin issued a non-statement statement about the matter a week or two ago.

[Phil_in_CS]

At a frightening price.

Yep. Makes it very clear what the university's priorities are.

[juliogotay]

Yep. Makes it very clear what the university's priorities are.

Why no talk about BU getting a death penalty? Is this not several notches up the egregious scale than paying players?

[HudsonHawk]

Why no talk about BU getting a death penalty? Is this not several notches up the egregious scale than paying players?

I'd be surprised if the "death penalty" is ever used again.  It's one of those things that once you realize what it does, you realize you'll never use it again.  Not that this wouldn't be the appropriate circumstance to kill a program...

[Phil_in_CS]

Why no talk about BU getting a death penalty? Is this not several notches up the egregious scale than paying players?

If I were on the Board of Regents, I'd have already raised the idea as an internal solution exclusive of NCAA and Federal actions. It's one thing to find willing coeds and hookers (which IIRC Colorado got probation for) but quite another to hush up forcible felony rape.

Which is just one of many reasons I'd never be on anyone's Board of Regents.

[Lefty]

I'd be surprised if the "death penalty" is ever used again.  It's one of those things that once you realize what it does, you realize you'll never use it again.  Not that this wouldn't be the appropriate circumstance to kill a program...

I think Penn St got the closest we'll ever see to the death penalty, punishing Baylor the same seems appropriate here.

[HudsonHawk]

I think Penn St got the closest we'll ever see to the death penalty, punishing Baylor the same seems appropriate here.

Agreed.  The fact that Penn State didn't get it just shows what the NCAA thinks of the death penalty.  They'll never use it in football again.  Which shows where there priorities are too. 

[Lefty]

Agreed.  The fact that Penn State didn't get it just shows what the NCAA thinks of the death penalty.  They'll never use it in football again.  Which shows where there priorities are too. 

The NCAA is just a step below FIFA and the IOC.

I should have added...they deserve the penalties Penn State got before the NCAA quietly rescinded almost all of them.

[Phil_in_CS]

Not helping...

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University needs a new assistant strength coach after one of the football team’s new hires was arrested in a prostitution sting.

Brandon Washington, 33, was arrested on solicitation of prostitution charges Saturday morning.

According to McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara, his deputies caught him at a Waco hotel.

They said he was trying to meet who he thought was a prostitute he met online.

http://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Baylor-athletic-coach-fired-over-prostitution-arrest-412974083.html