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« on: July 12, 2016, 08:28:47 pm »
According to Jim Bowden on twitter...

"Houston Astros are expected to call-up top prospect Alex Bregman as early as this weekend according to sources familiar with their planning. Makes sense after seeing him in the Futures Game. He not only appears ready but his bat is further along than AJ Reed and Tyler White two other rookies they've already given chances to. Bregman will probably play third with Luis Valbuena moving to first base."

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 09:35:10 pm »
Sure would be nice. This kid has destroyed every level of pitching he has seen.

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 09:56:43 pm »
According to Jim Bowden on twitter...

"Houston Astros are expected to call-up top prospect Alex Bregman as early as this weekend according to sources familiar with their planning. Makes sense after seeing him in the Futures Game. He not only appears ready but his bat is further along than AJ Reed and Tyler White two other rookies they've already given chances to. Bregman will probably play third with Luis Valbuena moving to first base."

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 10:30:29 pm »
Yeah, how credible is Bowden anyway?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 07:11:05 am »
Yeah, how credible is Bowden anyway?

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 08:07:21 am »
Bregman just tweeted that he is on the way to New Orleans, which is where the Grizzlies start a series tomorrow.  Damn Damn Damn.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 08:20:01 am »
Bregman just tweeted that he is on the way to New Orleans, which is where the Grizzlies start a series tomorrow.  Damn Damn Damn.

Bowden gave himself the biggest of outs using "as early as this weekend."  Doesn't mean it has to be this weekend.  Could be next weekend or next month.  Just not before this weekend.  Which means of course any time after the All-Star break.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2016, 08:46:45 am »
Bregman just tweeted that he is on the way to New Orleans, which is where the Grizzlies start a series tomorrow.  Damn Damn Damn.

Just because he plays Thursday or Friday or Saturday doesn't mean he can't be called up.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 09:47:47 am »
Luhnow originally said August.  A lot may depend on what happens from now till the trade deadline.  It's not like the club is currently struggling.   Wouldn't be surprised to see him playing third now
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2016, 09:50:08 am »
I think he will come up as part of the plan to get the club they want going down the stretch.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2016, 01:35:25 pm »
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A.J. Hinch says Alex Bregman will NOT join the team in Seattle this weekend. He adds that Bregman could help team down the stretch.

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2016, 12:56:22 pm »
Looks like Bregman is opening up some eyes...

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2016, 01:18:33 pm »
"He also has played adequate enough defense at shortstop that he'd be an upgrade over Carlos Correa,"

That is the first time I have heard someone say that.  Usually it is he projects to be an average fielder but wouldn't replace Correa at SS.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2016, 01:21:51 pm »
"He also has played adequate enough defense at shortstop that he'd be an upgrade over Carlos Correa,"

That is the first time I have heard someone say that.  Usually it is he projects to be an average fielder but wouldn't replace Correa at SS.
Opinions of Correa's defense seem to vary a lot from pundit to pundit.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2016, 01:26:57 pm »
Opinions of Correa's defense seem to vary a lot from pundit to pundit.

No kidding.  "Adequate" being an upgrade to Correa's existing defense is laughable (in the unfunny way), too. 
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2016, 01:28:46 pm »
"He also has played adequate enough defense at shortstop that he'd be an upgrade over Carlos Correa,"
I have heard from some avid college baseball followers, including a coach, that Bregman is better than Correa defensively.

I would have no problem with Bregman at SS and Correa at 3rd, although I doubt it would even be attempted this season. 
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2016, 01:45:24 pm »
I have heard from some avid college baseball followers, including a coach, that Bregman is better than Correa defensively.

I would have no problem with Bregman at SS and Correa at 3rd, although I doubt it would even be attempted this season.

I think Correa would have a problem with it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2016, 01:49:26 pm »
No kidding.  "Adequate" being an upgrade to Correa's existing defense is laughable (in the unfunny way), too.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2016, 03:08:39 pm »
I think Correa would have a problem with it.
Why wouldn't he have a problem with it? He's the established SS for the Astros.

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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2016, 03:11:03 pm »
I think Correa would have a problem with it.

A-Rod did it for Derek Jeter.
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2016, 03:30:08 pm »
I have heard from some avid college baseball followers, including a coach, that Bregman is better than Correa defensively.

I would have no problem with Bregman at SS and Correa at 3rd, although I doubt it would even be attempted this season. 

Hmm, I have always read the exact opposite. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2016, 03:44:52 pm »
I think Correa would have a problem with it.

Meanwhile, I get the impression that Bregman just wants to get to the show and will play anywhere.

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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2016, 03:45:53 pm »
A-Rod did it for Derek Jeter.

But Jeter was there first. And team captain.

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2016, 03:46:36 pm »
A-Rod did it for Derek Jeter.

That's apples and oranges.

The Orioles moved Machado to 3b when they called him up because they had Hardy at short.  That's a better comparison.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2016, 04:57:48 pm »
Opinions of Correa's defense seem to vary a lot from pundit to pundit.

I think it's pretty simple:

Propeller-heads who think everything in the world can be statistically quantified have no qualms about judging the defensive ability of a player they rarely watch.  This is because they can simply refer to the defensive metrics, and the defensive metrics tell them that George Springer is a pretty good right fielder, Colby Rasmus is an average-at-best left fielder, and Carlos Correa's defense is a hindrance to the Astros winning.

People who actually watch the Astros know that Springer is a gold-glove quality right fielder, Rasmus is an excellent left fielder, and Correa is an inconsistent, but generally good and occasionally spectacular shortstop.
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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2016, 05:12:22 pm »
That's apples and oranges.

The Orioles moved Machado to 3b when they called him up because they had Hardy at short.  That's a better comparison.

I was merely pointing out that the best SS in the game at the time changed positions to 3B, despite the fact that he was a better SS fielder than Jeter.
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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2016, 05:18:32 pm »
I think it's pretty simple:

Propeller-heads who think everything in the world can be statistically quantified have no qualms about judging the defensive ability of a player they rarely watch.  This is because they can simply refer to the defensive metrics, and the defensive metrics tell them that George Springer is a pretty good right fielder, Colby Rasmus is an average-at-best left fielder, and Carlos Correa's defense is a hindrance to the Astros winning.

People who actually watch the Astros know that Springer is a gold-glove quality right fielder, Rasmus is an excellent left fielder, and Correa is an inconsistent, but generally good and occasionally spectacular shortstop.

Nice summation.  First time I heard defensive metrics on those guys.

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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2016, 05:34:01 pm »
Propeller-heads who think everything in the world can be statistically quantified have no qualms about judging the defensive ability of a player they rarely watch.


This pretty well tells me you've never read an article on defensive metrics, because the next article that states certainty about such metrics will be the first.



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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2016, 05:37:25 pm »
No kidding.  "Adequate" being an upgrade to Correa's existing defense is laughable (in the unfunny way), too.

Correa is not a great, or even more than good, SS.  Bregman has bulked up this year so I don't know how that hurts his range etc....

Everything I've ever read hints at Correa eventually moving to 3B, he's going to hate that though, and he's said as much already.
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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2016, 06:17:01 pm »
With the number of times they implement a shift, he will be playing plenty of shortstop even though the line up card says 3B.

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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2016, 06:19:26 pm »
A-Rod did it for Derek Jeter.

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ARod joined the Yankees. Jester was established.
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2016, 07:02:53 pm »
With the number of times they implement a shift, he will be playing plenty of shortstop even though the line up card says 3B.



During the Futures game,  a  reporter asked him about playing 3rd in MLB, Bregman made that exact point.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2016, 07:44:37 pm »
Everything I've ever read hints at Correa eventually moving to 3B, he's going to hate that though, and he's said as much already.
Yeah, after he gets bigger and can't handle the position, there's speculation he might move to third. Right now though, he is easily "adequate" at SS. 

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2016, 09:42:52 pm »
This pretty well tells me you've never read an article on defensive metrics, because the next article that states certainty about such metrics will be the first.



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Maybe not, but it seems they are often referenced as though they're gospel. Plus, they're included in WAR, and that's definitely treated as, if not definitive, at least the best single stat we have.

As for Bregman at 3B, I think the Astros love the idea of a great defensive 3Bman (hence Dominguez and Valbuena), and the point made above about the shift might be a big part of that. Plus, a great 3B will turn a lot of would-be doubles down the line into outs. That's rather valuable.
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2016, 10:15:59 pm »
Maybe not, but it seems they are often referenced as though they're gospel. Plus, they're included in WAR, and that's definitely treated as, if not definitive, at least the best single stat we have.

The defensive metrics hate Valbuena, for whatever that's worth.
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2016, 10:24:06 pm »
During the Futures game,  a  reporter asked him about playing 3rd in MLB, Bregman made that exact point.

And Luhnow made the same point on radio the other day. Said basically that it didn't matter that much where on the infield Bregman stood from play-to-play because of his athleticism.

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2016, 07:34:33 am »
Maybe not, but it seems they are often referenced as though they're gospel. Plus, they're included in WAR, and that's definitely treated as, if not definitive, at least the best single stat we have.

As for Bregman at 3B, I think the Astros love the idea of a great defensive 3Bman (hence Dominguez and Valbuena), and the point made above about the shift might be a big part of that. Plus, a great 3B will turn a lot of would-be doubles down the line into outs. That's rather valuable.

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2016, 09:54:24 am »
Who considers them gospel? You know better, or should.
Correct. I don't consider them anything more than a curiosity at this point. It's those darn people on the Internet (some of whom are paid to write about baseball) who consider them gospel.
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