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Changes to Extra innings games?
« on: July 06, 2016, 11:31:34 am »
I was listening to MLB Home Plate (XM) the other morning and the host proposed some changes to the rules that would facilitate scoring and avoid those torturous 18-inning games.

Basically, after 1 extra inning, you'd start with a runner on first. After two innings, a runner on second. Third inning, a runner on third. It would be similar to the California tie-breaker rules sometimes used in youth tournaments, or somewhat like college football overtime rules.

What do you think? I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 11:34:50 am »
I was listening to MLB Home Plate (XM) the other morning and the host proposed some changes to the rules that would facilitate scoring and avoid those torturous 18-inning games.

Basically, after 1 extra inning, you'd start with a runner on first. After two innings, a runner on second. Third inning, a runner on third. It would be similar to the California tie-breaker rules sometimes used in youth tournaments, or somewhat like college football overtime rules.

What do you think? I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 11:35:57 am »
Not enough profanity in my vocabulary to vocalize how much I disagree with the premise and abhor the solution.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 11:37:04 am »
Not enough profanity in my vocabulary to vocalize how much I disagree with the premise and abhor the solution.

Nor in mine.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 11:46:18 am »
no way Jose. seems it would give and advantage to one team
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 11:53:03 am »
Well, that's just a stupid idea.  The occasional 18 inning game is one of the joys of baseball. I love the sweet, sweet agony of missed scoring chances and game saving defensive plays. I love seeing the last position player used and knowing that those on the field will have to play out the remainder of the game. I love when the bullpen is depleted and the manager has to choose between position player or another starter. I love the impact on the next game or two in the series. I love the fans that stay for the whole game. I love checking the score at 3am when I get up to go to the bathroom after I could not stay up any longer. I love all of it. What a dummy that guy is.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 11:55:17 am »
How about the joy of listening to the broadcasters succumb to delirium?

This idea makes me want to spit.

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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 12:00:49 pm »
How about the joy of listening to the broadcasters succumb to delirium?

We get that joy every game.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 12:09:40 pm »
Speaking from the player's perspective, Todd Hollandsworth was all in favor of doing something to reduce innings.

Playing devil's advocate, extra innings has negative impact on the quality of the product:

-Tired hitters flail away at pitches, making the game even longer
-Increased mileage on superstar players, especially at premium positions
-Game devolving into competition between the ends of the bench.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 12:12:31 pm »
if you are hired to do a job and put in overtime, do you complain? or do you realize its just part of the game
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 12:50:44 pm »
Holy shit...I cannot think of a worse idea.  Except maybe having games end in a tie, like soccer.  If more than two hours of baseball is more than your attention span can stand, then by all means stop watching.  Don't fuck up the greatest game ever invented because some people can't seem to pay attention. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 12:52:03 pm »
no way Jose. seems it would give and advantage to one team

The away team currently does slightly better in extras than they do in regular inning affairs. 

54% chance of the home team winning any game.
52% chance of the home team winning an extra inning game.

Likely due to defensive strategy out weighing offensive strategy.  I would imagine this would exacerbate that and bring the away team even closer to 50%.

That being said, the whole premise of changing extra innings is ridiculous. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 01:28:05 pm »
Speaking from the player's perspective, Todd Hollandsworth was all in favor of doing something to reduce innings.

Playing devil's advocate, extra innings has negative impact on the quality of the product:

-Tired hitters flail away at pitches, making the game even longer
-Increased mileage on superstar players, especially at premium positions
-Game devolving into competition between the ends of the bench.

Then Todd Hollandsworth was lazy.  Stupid idea.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 01:50:53 pm »
Speaking from the player's perspective, Todd Hollandsworth was all in favor of doing something to reduce innings.

Playing devil's advocate, extra innings has negative impact on the quality of the product:

-Tired hitters flail away at pitches, making the game even longer
-Increased mileage on superstar players, especially at premium positions
-Game devolving into competition between the ends of the bench.

I followed every game of the 2013 Astros.  Don't talk to me about negative impacts on the quality of the product.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 01:51:14 pm »
if you are hired to do a job and put in overtime, do you complain? or do you realize its just part of the game

Brilliant idea Fredia - let's turn this into another productive conversation about "comp time".
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 01:53:36 pm »
Absofuckinglutely no way. I watched every inning of Cleveland's recent 19 inning affair against Toronto. Toronto determined to use position players to pitch after exhausting the bully in the 17th frame. Cleveland opted to pitch its tomorrow starter. That decision cost the Indians the win streak because of altering the rotation. Toronto won the last two games in the series.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 01:58:13 pm »
I would rather watch Rush Limbaugh fucking Nancy Grace for the rest of my life than see that kind of change.


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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 02:00:36 pm »
I would rather watch Rush Limbaugh fucking Nancy Grace for the rest of my life than see that kind of change.


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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2016, 02:48:28 pm »
I was listening to MLB Home Plate (XM) the other morning and the host proposed some changes to the rules that would facilitate scoring and avoid those torturous 18-inning games.

Basically, after 1 extra inning, you'd start with a runner on first. After two innings, a runner on second. Third inning, a runner on third. It would be similar to the California tie-breaker rules sometimes used in youth tournaments, or somewhat like college football overtime rules.

What do you think? I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings.

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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2016, 04:38:55 pm »
At the MLB level, this is really a solution in search of a problem. Shortening extra-inning games comes up just ahead of logo sizing on catcher's masks* on the list of pressing issues for the league to address. For little league, sure, why the fuck not.


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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 11:17:52 pm »
Holy shit...I cannot think of a worse idea.  Except maybe having games end in a tie, like soccer.  If more than two hours of baseball is more than your attention span can stand, then by all means stop watching.  Don't fuck up the greatest game ever invented because some people can't seem to pay attention.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2016, 08:16:26 am »
I was listening to MLB Home Plate (XM) the other morning and the host proposed some changes to the rules that would facilitate scoring and avoid those torturous 18-inning games.

Basically, after 1 extra inning, you'd start with a runner on first. After two innings, a runner on second. Third inning, a runner on third. It would be similar to the California tie-breaker rules sometimes used in youth tournaments, or somewhat like college football overtime rules.

What do you think? I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings.

There should be a penalty kick in there somewhere.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2016, 09:05:35 am »
I think there should be at least a temporary ban for this statement:

 "I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings."
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 09:41:05 am »
I think there should be at least a temporary ban for this statement:

 "I totally agree something should be done to reduce the length of extra innings."
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2016, 10:10:09 am »
There should be a penalty kick in there somewhere.

Get out a batting tee starting in the 13th inning.  Go through the lineup once or until 3 outs, each player gets one swing, defense on the field.  Most runs after 1 inning wins.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2016, 10:56:22 am »
Get out a batting tee starting in the 13th inning.  Go through the lineup once or until 3 outs, each player gets one swing, defense on the field.  Most runs after 1 inning wins.

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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2016, 12:23:22 pm »
Get out a batting tee starting in the 13th inning.  Go through the lineup once or until 3 outs, each player gets one swing, defense on the field.  Most runs after 1 inning wins.

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2016, 02:26:05 am »
Did you forget to put a keg at first?

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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2016, 05:45:13 am »
The extra innings arrangements are used in the ABL in certain circumstances, only play seven innings in the first game of double heads too.  Those guys fly commercial and a lot of them have regular jobs as well so you can probably make a case for it in that league, but surely not in the Majors?
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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2016, 06:59:21 am »
The extra innings arrangements are used in the ABL in certain circumstances, only play seven innings in the first game of double heads too.  Those guys fly commercial and a lot of them have regular jobs as well so you can probably make a case for it in that league, but surely not in the Majors?

The minor leagues do 7 innings in  double headers, I think.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2016, 09:06:36 am »
The minor leagues do 7 innings in  double headers, I think.

Yes, usually double headers are two 7 inning games in the minors.  Unless they are completing a suspended game.  Then that game is often a full 9 innings and the subsequent game is just 7.
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