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Arky Vaughan

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« on: May 03, 2016, 12:55:33 am »
This team's problem is much more of a pitching problem than a hitting problem.

One thing masking this is the fact that run-scoring across the league is down by a significant amount this year, about 10 percent. (Collectively, the league's 15 clubs are on pace to score about 1,000 fewer runs this season than last.) This makes the offensive drop-off this year look worse than it is, and it makes the pitching drop-off this year look less bad than it is.

Other things masking this are the poor hitting with runners on base and in scoring position, the high strikeout rate and the black holes at four places in the batting order. But the strikeout rate was bad last year, there were black holes then too and even the hitting with runners on base and in scoring position was mediocre in 2015, although not as bad as this season thus far.

In 2015, the Astros were fifth in the league with 4.50 runs scored per game. The league average was 4.39 runs scored per game. In 2016, the Astros are ninth in the league with 3.68 runs scored per game. The league average is 3.98 runs scored per game. If the Astros were scoring runs at roughly the same rate as last year, they'd probably be about 10 runs better than they are now. Instead of 8-17, they might be about a game better, 9-16 or 10-15.

In 2015, the Astros were first in the league with 3.81 runs allowed per game. The league average was 4.29 runs allowed per game. In 2016, the Astros are 15th in the league with 4.96 runs allowed per game. The league average is 3.99 runs allowed per game. If the Astros were allowing runs at roughly the same rate as last year, they'd probably be about 35 runs allowed better than they are now. Instead of 8-17, they might be significantly better, probably 12-13 or even just above .500 at 13-12.

This is not to understate the degree of the offensive woes. Since improving your offense and upgrading your pitching are not mutually exclusive, eliminating or reducing the black holes in the line-up and hitting better with runners on and in scoring position would certainly help win more games. But the pitching implosion, both in the rotation and the bullpen, is the primary issue dragging this team down. Until that gets fixed, the Astros are going nowhere even if Gomez, Valbuena and Gattis turn themselves around or help comes from the farm system.

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 06:35:28 am »
help comes from the farm system.

Musgrove and Hoyt.  The rest don't seem ready.   


ETA.  Well they have a 30 year old utility guy that seems Worthy as well.    All of these guys are not on the 40 man
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 08:31:53 am »
Musgrove and Hoyt.  The rest don't seem ready.   


ETA.  Well they have a 30 year old utility guy that seems Worthy as well.    All of these guys are not on the 40 man

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 09:07:23 am »
This team's problem is much more of a pitching problem than a hitting problem.

One thing masking this is the fact that run-scoring across the league is down by a significant amount this year, about 10 percent. (Collectively, the league's 15 clubs are on pace to score about 1,000 fewer runs this season than last.) This makes the offensive drop-off this year look worse than it is, and it makes the pitching drop-off this year look less bad than it is.

Other things masking this are the poor hitting with runners on base and in scoring position, the high strikeout rate and the black holes at four places in the batting order. But the strikeout rate was bad last year, there were black holes then too and even the hitting with runners on base and in scoring position was mediocre in 2015, although not as bad as this season thus far.

In 2015, the Astros were fifth in the league with 4.50 runs scored per game. The league average was 4.39 runs scored per game. In 2016, the Astros are ninth in the league with 3.68 runs scored per game. The league average is 3.98 runs scored per game. If the Astros were scoring runs at roughly the same rate as last year, they'd probably be about 10 runs better than they are now. Instead of 8-17, they might be about a game better, 9-16 or 10-15.

In 2015, the Astros were first in the league with 3.81 runs allowed per game. The league average was 4.29 runs allowed per game. In 2016, the Astros are 15th in the league with 4.96 runs allowed per game. The league average is 3.99 runs allowed per game. If the Astros were allowing runs at roughly the same rate as last year, they'd probably be about 35 runs allowed better than they are now. Instead of 8-17, they might be significantly better, probably 12-13 or even just above .500 at 13-12.

This is not to understate the degree of the offensive woes. Since improving your offense and upgrading your pitching are not mutually exclusive, eliminating or reducing the black holes in the line-up and hitting better with runners on and in scoring position would certainly help win more games. But the pitching implosion, both in the rotation and the bullpen, is the primary issue dragging this team down. Until that gets fixed, the Astros are going nowhere even if Gomez, Valbuena and Gattis turn themselves around or help comes from the farm system.

Altuve is the lone Astros hitting above .270.

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 10:20:24 am »
Altuve is the lone Astros hitting above .270.

And last season he was the only regular hitting above .280. Since the league batting average is about 10 points lower this year, that's about the same.

But Gregerson, Harris and Devinski are the only pitchers on the team with an ERA below the league average.

When your team ERA plummets from first in the league in 2015 to last in the league in 2016, the number of players with batting averages over a handpicked number isn't the biggest problem.

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 10:57:55 am »

When your team ERA plummets from first in the league in 2015 to last in the league in 2016, the number of players with batting averages over a handpicked number isn't the biggest problem.

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 11:03:19 am »
injuries anywhere?
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 12:16:00 pm »
no matter how we hit or any team hits, it is always about pitching and is even more so in playoffs.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 12:38:00 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 06:40:01 am »
injuries anywhere?

If you ask me, there's something wrong with Keuchel.  Watching him Monday night was painful.  By the end of the 5th inning, or whichever was that really long one, it appeared it was everything he had just to get the ball to the plate.  Coach Raup always points out a guy "laboring" as a sign that he's had enough.  Well, that was a textbook example of laboring.  I'm still shocked Hinch let him go out to start the next inning. 

I base this on nothing more than my observation.  Take that for what it's worth to you.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 11:37:34 am »
Giles last 2 outings.   1.1 IP, 0 runs, hits or walks, 2Ks.   12 pitches, 11 for strikes. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 11:48:18 am »
Giles last 2 outings.   1.1 IP, 0 runs, hits or walks, 2Ks.   12 pitches, 11 for strikes.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 09:37:31 am »
He's cured! Now we can stop worrying, right?

Watching the lynch mob here as Giles has struggled and occasionally imploded reminds me of the TZ when Dotel failed as a starter. Many could not decide between releasing him or shooting him. My comment then about him and now about Giles was/is one never gives up on an arm like that.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 09:51:08 am »
Many could not decide between releasing him or shooting him.

Don't be ridiculous.  You HAVE to release him before you shoot him.  If you're not going to give him a running start, there's no sport in it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2016, 10:33:05 am »
just the big toe then the charges would be less
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2016, 01:51:14 pm »
Watching the lynch mob here as Giles has struggled and occasionally imploded reminds me of the TZ when Dotel failed as a starter. Many could not decide between releasing him or shooting him. My comment then about him and now about Giles was/is one never gives up on an arm like that.

It is particularly insane to give up on an arm like that when the owner of said arm has a track record of excellence.  Giles came into this season with the lowest ERA in the history of the sport among pitchers with 100+ innings.

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2016, 02:24:05 pm »
Watching the lynch mob here as Giles has struggled and occasionally imploded reminds me of the TZ when Dotel failed as a starter. Many could not decide between releasing him or shooting him.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2016, 04:58:34 pm »
Giles last 2 outings.   1.1 IP, 0 runs, hits or walks, 2Ks.   12 pitches, 11 for strikes.

3 of his last 4 pitches have been strikes. 

I think it's safe to say Luhnow won that trade.

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2016, 06:34:23 pm »
Well, if it walks like a duck ...

and it did!
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2016, 08:06:10 pm »
Well, if it walks like a Pato ...

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