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« on: October 27, 2015, 06:28:15 pm »
So I saw where Raul Mondesi "Jr" (he's actually not a junior, his brother is, but people call him "junior") has made the Royals' World Series roster, despite never having played above AA.  So his father played in 1,525 games over 13 Major League seasons, and never made it to the World Series.  Junior has now made it to the World Series without ever playing in a single Major League game.  Baseball is a funny game.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 10:16:00 pm »
Hell of a change up by Clippard tonight. After one got away he should've thrown another. I'm looking forward to the 9th.

I might be alone in this, but I like Harold Reynolds in the booth.

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 11:34:35 pm »

I might be alone in this, but I like Harold Reynolds in the booth.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 11:36:00 pm »

(he's actually not a junior, his brother is, but people call him "junior")

So senior has multiple sons named Raul?
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 11:44:56 pm »
If I were as bad at my job as Harold Reynolds, my house would be a Superfund site and my children would be feral.


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Scary to think what your house would be like if we were talking Joe Buck.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 11:46:30 pm »
I like Harold Reynolds just fine.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2015, 11:56:41 pm »
I like Reynolds AND Buck.

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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 11:58:01 pm »
So senior has multiple sons named Raul?

Apparently he's a regular George Foreman.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2015, 11:59:18 pm »
I like Harold Reynolds just fine.

Me too.  I don't get the disdain for Reynolds.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 12:03:54 am »
I couldn't help but root for Colon there in the 13th. Mark one down for us fat guys!

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 12:04:57 am »
Did Pete Rose gamble away his neck?


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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 12:11:00 am »
I like Reynolds AND Buck.

For me, Buck's Co-ard affiliation has forever biased me against him. He might be another Vin Scully but I'll never hear it. He epitomizes the "BFiB".

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 12:17:52 am »
I like Reynolds idea of bringing in an extra infielder here in the 14th...
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 12:19:44 am »
That may have been the best meaningless throw to the plate I've ever seen.


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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2015, 12:22:26 am »
That may have been the best meaningless throw to the plate I've ever seen.


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He made that way closer than I thought it could be. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2015, 12:25:09 am »
He made that way closer than I thought it could be.

Too bad Jeremy Giambi wasn't running.

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2015, 05:14:14 am »
My dislike for Joe Buck has nothing to do with any past affiliation with the Cardinals. Hell, I thought his old man was great.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2015, 09:34:20 am »
My dislike for Joe Buck has nothing to do with any past affiliation with the Cardinals. Hell, I thought his old man was great.

As a St. Louis guy, Buck didn't even try particularly hard to hide his disdain for the Royals in the ALCS.  After last night, I'm not sure he's that fond of New York City, either.  I suspect Joe is going through what most of us would be experiencing if we were announcing a Cubs-Rangers World Series.

I was amused when Verducci went way out on a limb last night:  "I think Davis has one of the best cutters in baseball".
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2015, 10:32:09 am »
I like Harold Reynolds just fine.

I do, too.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2015, 11:00:11 am »
Me too.  I don't get the disdain for Reynolds.

I think Reynolds has an annoying personality and is way too in to hugs, but he does make some very insightful observations. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2015, 12:27:13 pm »
Pretty sure the only reason that I don't like wee Buck is that he's on the record as not really liking baseball/thinking it's boring.


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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2015, 12:31:19 pm »
all Joe B. has, imo, is a last name.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2015, 01:06:29 pm »
Like Reynolds; despise Buck.
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2015, 01:20:39 pm »
Pretty sure the only reason that I don't like wee Buck is that he's on the record as not really liking baseball/thinking it's boring.


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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2015, 02:19:45 pm »
I didn't know that about Buck. I thought he was a genuine fan of the game. I've always thought he does a good job of being quiet and impartial and a pro up there.

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2015, 02:43:19 pm »
Pretty sure the only reason that I don't like wee Buck is that he's on the record as not really liking baseball/thinking it's boring.


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Where did you hear that?  I'm pretty sure I've read/heard the exact opposite.

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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2015, 02:43:37 pm »
I didn't know that about Buck. I thought he was a genuine fan of the game. I've always thought he does a good job of being quiet and impartial and a pro up there.

It's all interpretation. When I listen to him he sounds like it's the last place he wants to be. Like any game not involving Albert Pujols and the Cardinals is beneath his station.

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2015, 02:44:52 pm »
I didn't know that about Buck. I thought he was a genuine fan of the game. I've always thought he does a good job of being quiet and impartial and a pro up there.

Agreed.  I love Buck.  Not sure what you are looking for out of a play-by-play guy.  He's certainly better than Ernie Johnson.

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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2015, 02:54:30 pm »
Where did you hear that?  I'm pretty sure I've read/heard the exact opposite.

I vaguely remember the hoopla about this but I already didn't care for him so I didn't pay attention.

Not sure of the source and the actual audio link doesn't show up for me. The article contains little else than some dude bitching about the money Buck makes (who gives a shit?)so fwiw:

http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/07/joe-buck-admits-he-rarely-watches.html?m=1

 

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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2015, 03:28:35 pm »
Where did you hear that?  I'm pretty sure I've read/heard the exact opposite.

Buck says so himself in this interview:

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I don't really give a shit about Joe Buck one way or another to be honest, but he strikes me as a guy who has risen to his current heights in the broadcasting world only by virtue of standing on his father's shoulders, and, as such and not unexpectedly, doesn't particularly appreciate it. That's actually quite understandable in some respects and has many parallels, but, if we're discussing the amorphous "like/dislike" topic, I'll present the issue for consideration.






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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2015, 03:57:15 pm »
Nothing he said in that seven year-old interview was surprising. Baseball has a competition problem with football because football is once a week, every game matters, the strike zone's too small, the commercial breaks too lengthy, there's too much televised inactivity...alert the media. He didn't say he found it boring or had lost interest, just that the fact that there were 15 games available for him to watch every night had diluted what for him as a boy was the singular experience of the Game of the Week. And I'm pretty sure the Bachelorette reference was a joke.

When he said, last night (or this morning), "This is when baseball is at its best," he meant it. Jesus, if I'd had to personally sit through as many Yankees/Red Sox game as he had by 2008 I'd be watching the Bachelorette, too.

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2015, 04:31:28 pm »
Pretty sure the only reason that I don't like wee Buck is that he's on the record as not really liking baseball/thinking it's boring.


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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2015, 04:31:42 pm »
Nothing he said in that seven year-old interview was surprising. Baseball has a competition problem with football because football is once a week, every game matters, the strike zone's too small, the commercial breaks too lengthy, there's too much televised inactivity...alert the media. He didn't say he found it boring or had lost interest, just that the fact that there were 15 games available for him to watch every night had diluted what for him as a boy was the singular experience of the Game of the Week. And I'm pretty sure the Bachelorette reference was a joke.

When he said, last night (or this morning), "This is when baseball is at its best," he meant it. Jesus, if I'd had to personally sit through as many Yankees/Red Sox game as he had by 2008 I'd be watching the Bachelorette, too.

He didn't say anything that would be inaccurate if it were coming from someone who is not a fan of baseball. Since you were not able to follow any of the subtext from that interview, let me help you out: Joe Buck does not read about baseball nor does he watch baseball unless it directly relates to a game that he is required to cover because he is paid piles of money to do it.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that since we are all entitled to our own interests and hobbies, and, as I'm sure many can relate to, jobs can become, well, a job at best and a grind at worst. Just saying, it colors my personal impressions of him and is a factor when I'm asked whether or not I "like" the guy.

Anyways, per usual, I enjoyed Roger Angell's piece on last night's game, which I thought might be a welcome addition to this thread.
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 06:05:43 pm »
He didn't say anything that would be inaccurate if it were coming from someone who is not a fan of baseball. Since you were not able to follow any of the subtext from that interview, let me help you out: Joe Buck does not read about baseball nor does he watch baseball unless it directly relates to a game that he is required to cover because he is paid piles of money to do it.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that since we are all entitled to our own interests and hobbies, and, as I'm sure many can relate to, jobs can become, well, a job at best and a grind at worst. Just saying, it colors my personal impressions of him and is a factor when I'm asked whether or not I "like" the guy.

Anyways, per usual, I enjoyed Roger Angell's piece on last night's game, which I thought might be a welcome addition to this thread.

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2015, 06:06:13 pm »
Regardless of what he thinks about baseball, Joe Buck sucks. I didn't even realize this was up for debate anymore. His voice, his intonations, his observations, his relentless Cardinal and Yankee schlong-gorvelling; it all makes for dreadful listening. Within the realm of subjective taste, I thought this was about as much of a given as Kenny G sucking.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2015, 07:06:45 pm »
Regardless of what he thinks about baseball, Joe Buck sucks. I didn't even realize this was up for debate anymore. His voice, his intonations, his observations, his relentless Cardinal and Yankee schlong-gorvelling; it all makes for dreadful listening. Within the realm of subjective taste, I thought this was about as much of a given as Kenny G sucking.

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2015, 07:15:20 pm »
Strike three on Murphy was insane! That pitch was a 94 mph knuckleball.

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2015, 07:28:11 pm »
This is the good Cueto so far. I've seen him do this a few times. If he's able to sustain this (isn't that always the case) it'll be a long night for the steM.

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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2015, 08:55:28 pm »
The Royals have seen 95 pitches from degrom and have only swung and missed 3 times and have yet to do so with 2 strikes. Hope the Astros are watching.


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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2015, 08:56:56 pm »
The Royals have seen 95 pitches from degrom and have only swung and missed 3 times and have yet to do so with 2 strikes. Hope the Astros are watching.


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Hopefully the Astros were watching when they did the same shit in the ALDS.

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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2015, 09:04:39 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2015, 09:20:39 pm »
Cueto has been fantastic. When he's on, his pitches MOVE.

Regardless of his delivery antics, there has to be a moment where he "loads" his delivery that hitters can time.

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2015, 09:27:42 pm »
It will surprise many of you that I am inordinately annoyed by people that think it is Cracker Jacks rather than the correct Cracker Jack. Fox doesn't know, and I seriously doubt that Joe Buck does, either. His general disinterest in baseball is annoying to me but I dislike him intensely for football also. My main problem is he can't just talk. He has to shout about everything, like THAT LAST FOUL BALL WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOUL BALL EVER.
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2015, 09:57:29 pm »
It will surprise many of you that I am inordinately annoyed by people that think it is Cracker Jacks rather than the correct Cracker Jack. Fox doesn't know, and I seriously doubt that Joe Buck does, either. His general disinterest in baseball is annoying to me but I dislike him intensely for football also. My main problem is he can't just talk. He has to shout about everything, like THAT LAST FOUL BALL WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOUL BALL EVER.

This sums it up for me. It's not that he's just shitty. He's a fake. There's a robotic pre-trained call for most every situation. No real emotion. When I hear Scully every situation and every play is read out of a classic baseball book.

 If we have to listen to people talk for hours during the WS then I have no problem making a Scully comparison, he should have been doing it all along. Of course that's not "new and exciting" like Joe Buck and the exemplary National Football Leauge.

I know this doesn't apply to Harold Reynolds and he's not in the same league as far as "chops" but he  brings a different youthful excitement that's contagious yet respectful. A combo of Scully/Reynolds would be so entertaining.

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2015, 10:08:57 pm »
It amazes me that the Astros had these guys on the ropes. The Royals don't seem interested in losing to anyone for any reason.
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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2015, 11:37:40 pm »


It amazes me that the Astros had these guys on the ropes. The Royals don't seem interested in losing to anyone for any reason.

Was thinking this also. The royals are incredibly difficult to get an out against, much less trying to get 27.

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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2015, 12:26:48 am »
 I was watching with the sound off, did Verducci say 14 times tonight that somone "ambushed" a pitcher like he did about Zobrist's first double in Game 1?
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2015, 12:47:56 am »
I was watching with the sound off, did Verducci say 14 times tonight that somone "ambushed" a pitcher like he did about Zobrist's first double in Game 1?

"Ambush" is the new baseball word. Every year has them now. Some stick some don't. Every sport has its yearly catchphrase.

"Moving Forward" was the catch phrase that ruined ALL sports talk radio for me a few years ago. I challenge anyone  to listen to three minutes without a player/GM/owner/commentator saying "moving forward". If you make it that long let me know. Its such a bullshit phrase.

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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2015, 06:44:17 am »
It is old and hackneyed, and used all over the cultural landscape, not just baseball ... but still, every time I hear "It is what it is" I want to tear my hair out.  I blame Kevin Kennedy, among many others.

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2015, 09:02:41 am »
It amazes me that the Astros had these guys on the ropes. The Royals don't seem interested in losing to anyone for any reason.

reading my mind. their ABs are amazing (and I hate that word).
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« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2015, 09:12:42 am »
I would make a list of words and expressions that drive me absolutely nuts but I don't have the time right now.
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2015, 09:29:32 am »
reading my mind. their ABs are amazing (and I hate that word).

Is that coaching or getting a certain player that fits their profile. For instance, I don't see Altuve ever becoming a guy that works a count.

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« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2015, 09:31:36 am »
Is that coaching or getting a certain player that fits their profile. For instance, I don't see Altuve ever becoming a guy that works a count.

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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2015, 09:44:23 am »
He didn't say anything that would be inaccurate if it were coming from someone who is not a fan of baseball. Since you were not able to follow any of the subtext from that interview, let me help you out: Joe Buck does not read about baseball nor does he watch baseball unless it directly relates to a game that he is required to cover because he is paid piles of money to do it.

Por qua the snark? I merely pointed out that nowhere in the interview did he say he didn't like baseball or found it boring, which was what you said "he said...himself". And in fact he does explicitly state in the interview that he reads about it all the time, which here you say his subtext contradicts. Subtext shmubtext.

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« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2015, 09:58:29 am »
plate discipline can be learned.
I was discussing this last night.  The conversation started with Happy's question: do you assemble a team with players who have this quality, is it learned through their development, emphasized by their present coach, or likely a combo of all of the above.  While I accept your statement that is can be taught, it does require (or seems like it to me) some innate abilities (pitch recognition), along with a healthy dose of willingness (something I assume is lacking in Altuve and Gattis).  Some players just never seem able to recognize certain secondary pitches, and thus will appear undisciplined.  These guys don't play for the Royals.

These announcers keep describing the Royals as "aggressive."  That doesn't work for me.  Aggressive is like some hitters who K swinging at three pitches out of the zone, or swing out of their shoes.  That is definitely not a Royals trait.  They also aren't a team that is looking to work counts.  Their philosophy to me at least looks like: Put it in the zone if you want a strike, I'll fight it off or make solid contact.  I will walk, but that is not why I am up here.

It seems like pitchers who can, and are willing to, throw effective secondary pitches for strikes are a must against the Royals.  Don't waste your time throwing that two strike filth that breaks out of the zone, they ain't biting.  I think one reason some of the Astros staff had success is that Keuechel, McCullers and McHugh to a lesser extent can use their secondaries within the zone.  Same with Harvey opening night. 

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« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2015, 10:10:35 am »
KC hitters are aggressive in the strike zone.
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« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2015, 10:10:47 am »
I would make a list of words and expressions that drive me absolutely nuts but I don't have the time right now.

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Making my thinking visible here...from where I sit, you need a step-change shift in your paradigm.  It's one of your growth opportunities.

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« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2015, 10:13:51 am »
Making my thinking visible here...from where I sit, you need a step-change shift in your paradigm.  It's one of your growth opportunities.

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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2015, 10:13:51 am »
plate discipline can be learned.

I think Altuve occasionally shows he can work a count or be disciplined.  His problem is more situational awareness of when to be aggressive.  Same for Gattis. 
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« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2015, 10:16:33 am »
Where do you domicile? Let's open the bridge and get the principals involved. We'll need stakeholder approval to advance this scope of work, so let's socialize this deck.

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« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2015, 10:23:38 am »
Plan the work then work the plan. 

I was on a call the other day where on PM asked another PM why the dates on the plan we were reviewing didn't reflect the actual dates the items were being worked currently. 'Well if I change the dates then everything will go red.'
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« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2015, 10:35:36 am »
I was on a call the other day where on PM asked another PM why the dates on the plan we were reviewing didn't reflect the actual dates the items were being worked currently. 'Well if I change the dates then everything will go red.'

There are two things that, as a PM, drive me nuts:  1) people who don't understand that there is a baseline schedule and an actual schedule, and it's important to track both.  Otherwise, how the hell do you know if you're on schedule?  2) Socializing task budgets, as if you have one big slush fund.  If you budget $1 for Task A and $1 for Task B, no, you don't have a budget of $2 for Tasks A and B.  That defeats the purpose.  It's Project Management 101. 
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« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2015, 10:41:10 am »
If you budget $1 for Task A and $1 for Task B, no, you don't have a budget of $2 for Tasks A and B.  That defeats the purpose.  It's Project Management 101.

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« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2015, 10:45:41 am »
Socializing task budgets, as if you have one big slush fund.

When customers share their budget numbers with me, it sure makes my job alot easier.
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« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2015, 10:47:54 am »
And OPS is more accurate than OBP + SLG

More is better...whether that's OPS, taxable income or breast size. 
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« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2015, 12:25:30 pm »
I was discussing this last night.  The conversation started with Happy's question: do you assemble a team with players who have this quality, is it learned through their development, emphasized by their present coach, or likely a combo of all of the above.  While I accept your statement that is can be taught, it does require (or seems like it to me) some innate abilities (pitch recognition), along with a healthy dose of willingness (something I assume is lacking in Altuve and Gattis).  Some players just never seem able to recognize certain secondary pitches, and thus will appear undisciplined.  These guys don't play for the Royals.

These announcers keep describing the Royals as "aggressive."  That doesn't work for me.  Aggressive is like some hitters who K swinging at three pitches out of the zone, or swing out of their shoes.  That is definitely not a Royals trait.  They also aren't a team that is looking to work counts.  Their philosophy to me at least looks like: Put it in the zone if you want a strike, I'll fight it off or make solid contact.  I will walk, but that is not why I am up here.

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I heard that last night about the Royals hitters being aggressive and I was taken aback but then I understood the context it was in and, as Jim writes, they are aggressive when they get their pitch. It is also my understanding that the Astros are drafting guys that have this approach.

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« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2015, 12:28:34 pm »
I think Altuve occasionally shows he can work a count or be disciplined.  His problem is more situational awareness of when to be aggressive.  Same for Gattis.

I agree about Altuve.  In the Royals series though he was not playing within himself and it was probably the worst stretch of the season for him.
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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2015, 01:44:26 pm »
The Astros need to adhere to plate discipline best practices.
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« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2015, 01:52:50 pm »
I heard that last night about the Royals hitters being aggressive and I was taken aback but then I understood the context it was in and, as Jim writes, they are aggressive when they get their pitch. It is also my understanding that the Astros are drafting guys that have this approach.
Alex Bregman seems like a very 2015 Royals type of player, from everything I've read.
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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2015, 03:05:45 pm »
Todd Hollandsworth had an interesting take on MLB radio this morning that I agree with.  With the strike zone varying from ump to ump more than at any time anyone can remember, this is the perfect time for the Royals' "fuck the strike zone" attitude.  They're looking for a pitch they can hit, and when they see one, they're gonna swing at it.  Nobody's "working the count", and they don't worry about adjusting to a new ump every game.

There's one place where Altuve and the Royals are on the exact same page:  with two strikes, they're not about to leave anything up to the umpire.
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« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2015, 03:29:48 pm »
The Astros need to adhere to plate discipline best practices.

They need to pivot from their current core competency of striking out.

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« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2015, 05:20:51 pm »
Alex Bregman seems like a very 2015 Royals type of player, from everything I've read.
On a go-forward basis, he is the sort of talent they should look to acquire.

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On a go-forward basis, he is the sort of talent they should look to acquire.

I think you mean asset.
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« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2015, 08:27:32 am »
I think you mean asset.
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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2015, 07:38:36 pm »
Holy shit the Royals are putting on a hitting clinic tonight....

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« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2015, 08:17:29 pm »
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"He doesn't look runnerish over there." Seriously? How about a simple "he doesn't look like he's going to run"?
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« Reply #80 on: October 30, 2015, 09:29:00 pm »
Wait, Dennis Miller's a Mets fan? Why? Anyway, good. I was just getting to the point where I didn't particularly hate them any more.
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« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2015, 09:38:47 pm »
Wait, Dennis Miller's a Mets fan? Why? Anyway, good. I was just getting to the point where I didn't particularly hate them any more.

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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2015, 10:14:11 pm »
Holy shit the Royals are putting on a hitting clinic tonight....

For those of you looking for a more competitive series that doesn't end in a sweep, you're welcome.

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« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2015, 10:47:50 pm »
For those of you looking for a more competitive series that doesn't end in a sweep, you're welcome.

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« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2015, 11:43:05 pm »
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« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2015, 06:05:59 am »
Wait, Dennis Miller's a Mets fan? Why? Anyway, good. I was just getting to the point where I didn't particularly hate them any more.

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« Reply #86 on: October 31, 2015, 10:23:39 am »
I have no real problem with Dennis Miller, it's the presence of Billy Joel that threw the gas on my hate's dying embers.

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« Reply #87 on: November 01, 2015, 10:08:56 pm »
Yeah. I didn't see that as great base running but an absolutely terrible throw by Duda. If he puts that anywhere near the plate the Mets are getting ready for game 6.

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« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2015, 10:11:44 pm »
"Anywhere near"? No. A good throw gets him, but Hosmer did well to force the play.


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« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2015, 10:15:51 pm »
"Anywhere near"? No. A good throw gets him, but Hosmer did well to force the play.


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Looked like a dead duck to me. Anywhere near is admittedly vague But I think even a high throw third base side gets him easily.

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« Reply #90 on: November 01, 2015, 10:21:39 pm »
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« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2015, 10:44:25 pm »
Now Hosmer taking second in the 11th was beautiful baserunning! I would've liked to see that pay off.

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« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2015, 11:19:10 pm »
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« Reply #93 on: November 01, 2015, 11:38:10 pm »
Congrats to the Royals. That was a helluva postseason.

Now that that's done, who's playing first base for the Astros in 6 months?

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« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2015, 06:28:26 am »
Yeah. I didn't see that as great base running but an absolutely terrible throw by Duda. If he puts that anywhere near the plate the Mets are getting ready for game 6.

Disagree. Great baserunning. Cannot count on a hit with two out.
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« Reply #95 on: November 02, 2015, 07:21:52 am »
Congrats to the Royals. That was a helluva postseason.

Now that that's done, who's playing first base for the Astros in 6 months?

Probably a place-holder for Reed.

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« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2015, 09:48:10 am »
Disagree. Great baserunning. Cannot count on a hit with two out.

The Royals always force the play and Duda's terrible arm is well known.  I was somewhat surprised that Wright didn't more aggressively check Hosmer back but he was kind stuck in between a rock and a hard place and had to get the out.  If Duda makes the play it's a brilliant defensive turn of events, but he didn't. 
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« Reply #97 on: November 02, 2015, 10:47:57 am »
Now that that's done, who's playing first base for the Astros in 6 months?

I get the impression Luhnow intends to be active this offseason, so there's no telling who might be at first base( or third base, or left field, etc.).  If it's not an acquisition, I suspect Carter has teased himself into another audition.  If first base somehow becomes a settled situation early in the season, Reed would seem to become a piece of the DH puzzle.
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« Reply #98 on: November 02, 2015, 10:57:32 am »
The Royals always force the play and Duda's terrible arm is well known.  I was somewhat surprised that Wright didn't more aggressively check Hosmer back but he was kind stuck in between a rock and a hard place and had to get the out.  If Duda makes the play it's a brilliant defensive turn of events, but he didn't.

With Wright fielding the ball, he could "check" Hosmer, but couldn't force him back towards 3B.  Hosmer maintained his huge lead off the bag and broke as soon as Wright turned to throw.  I agree that a "decent" throw gets him, but that was really forcing the issue by Hosmer.   
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« Reply #99 on: November 02, 2015, 11:12:37 am »
With Wright fielding the ball, he could "check" Hosmer, but couldn't force him back towards 3B.  Hosmer maintained his huge lead off the bag and broke as soon as Wright turned to throw.  I agree that a "decent" throw gets him, but that was really forcing the issue by Hosmer.

for my money, Hosmer made a brilliant play. "make a play, MF. if you cannot, this game is tied." you simply cannot count on the next guy to get a hit.

you are so right. there was no way to force him back to 3rd.
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« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2015, 11:45:07 am »
for my money, Hosmer made a brilliant play. "make a play, MF. if you cannot, this game is tied." you simply cannot count on the next guy to get a hit.

you are so right. there was no way to force him back to 3rd.

Also, the Royals were playing with house money at that point. They had nothing to lose down 2-1 late in the game . They don't tie it and lose at NY, they go home with 2 great chances to win it in their home park in front of their crowd. They tie it up, it's hugely deflating and the Mets are on the ropes in the late innings AGAIN.

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« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2015, 11:55:54 am »
What does everyone think of the prevailing media take that Collins had "no choice" but to let Harvey start the ninth inning?  I think most managers would have explained the decision making pecking order to the Dark Knight.
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« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2015, 12:20:43 pm »
I'm not being critical of his decision as Harvey was throwing well, but he sure as hell had a choice.  The media contention that he didn't is group think substituting for reality.

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« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2015, 12:24:11 pm »
I'm not being critical of his decision as Harvey was throwing well, but he sure as hell had a choice.  The media contention that he didn't is group think substituting for reality.

He had to let Harvey come out for the ninth. However, as soon as Harvey walked Cain, I would've yanked him so as to not let him pitch from the stretch
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« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2015, 12:49:15 pm »
He had to let Harvey come out for the ninth. However, as soon as Harvey walked Cain, I would've yanked him so as to not let him pitch from the stretch

I disagree that he had to let him start the ninth.  I'm not saying it was bad strategy.  I'm saying that when you and your pitching coach have determined you're bringing in your closer, it's not a good move to let your player talk you out of it.
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« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2015, 01:11:50 pm »
With Wright fielding the ball, he could "check" Hosmer, but couldn't force him back towards 3B.  Hosmer maintained his huge lead off the bag and broke as soon as Wright turned to throw.  I agree that a "decent" throw gets him, but that was really forcing the issue by Hosmer.

He could have forced him back to third by running at him or throwing home, but that would have given up the out and put the go ahead run on with one out.  Making the out with a chance of gunning Hosmer at home was the best play for him to make.
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« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2015, 01:21:53 pm »
He could have forced him back to third by running at him or throwing home, but that would have given up the out and put the go ahead run on with one out.  Making the out with a chance of gunning Hosmer at home was the best play for him to make.

Yeah, he could have not thrown to 1B and held Hosmer at 3B.  But there was no one covering the bag, so he could not "look him back". 
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« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2015, 01:41:28 pm »
The moment Hosmer started running I immediately thought he'd be toast at home but then Duda Conger-ed the throw home.

That was my favorite WS in recent memory,  how the Royals were able to take advantage of every small mistake (Hosmer's run home included) was astonishing.

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« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2015, 02:10:58 pm »
What does everyone think of the prevailing media take that Collins had "no choice" but to let Harvey start the ninth inning?  I think most managers would have explained the decision making pecking order to the Dark Knight.

I probably would have sent him out there too. after the walk to Cain, though, I would have gone to the closer.
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« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2015, 02:12:29 pm »
The moment Hosmer started running I immediately thought he'd be toast at home but then Duda Conger-ed the throw home.

That was my favorite WS in recent memory,  how the Royals were able to take advantage of every small mistake (Hosmer's run home included) was astonishing.

it had to be a good throw to get him. he is safe on an accurate but high throw.
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« Reply #110 on: November 02, 2015, 02:32:18 pm »
I disagree that he had to let him start the ninth.  I'm not saying it was bad strategy.  I'm saying that when you and your pitching coach have determined you're bringing in your closer, it's not a good move to let your player talk you out of it.

Speaking for the pitchers, I understand that he wanted a shot at a complete game shutout in the WS. Hinch let Keuchel talk him into a couple of ninth inning outings this season, so there is precedent for it. The competitor in you wants to finish.
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« Reply #111 on: November 02, 2015, 02:33:26 pm »
I probably would have sent him out there too. after the walk to Cain, though, I would have gone to the closer.

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« Reply #112 on: November 02, 2015, 02:40:04 pm »
Just watched the replay a dozen times.  Wright didn't gun the throw to first, the runner was slightly inside the baseline forcing Duda to have to move slightly to throw and still a decent throw gets him (Hosmer was just about 15 feet up the line when the throw goes by the catcher's glove)  But that is just the way the Royals play.  They consistently pressure the other team to make plays. 

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« Reply #113 on: November 02, 2015, 02:43:23 pm »
Just watched the replay a dozen times.  Wright didn't gun the throw to first, the runner was slightly inside the baseline forcing Duda to have to move slightly to throw and still a decent throw gets him (Hosmer was just about 15 feet up the line when the throw goes by the catcher's glove)  But that is just the way the Royals play.  They consistently pressure the other team to make plays.

The worst part is, Duda loaded up and stepped home. Mechanically he did everything right to throw him out, and still managed to launch the throw. Even if it was catchable, I don't see any way Hosmer is out with how high away that throw was.
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« Reply #114 on: November 02, 2015, 02:44:05 pm »
Just watched the replay a dozen times.  Wright didn't gun the throw to first, the runner was slightly inside the baseline forcing Duda to have to move slightly to throw and still a decent throw gets him (Hosmer was just about 15 feet up the line when the throw goes by the catcher's glove)  But that is just the way the Royals play.  They consistently pressure the other team to make plays.

Wright cannot gun the ball because of his injury. everyone, including Hosmer, knew his throw would loop somewhat. Hosmer's mad dash caught Duda by surprise and contributed to the wild, panic-stricken, throw. a good throw would have gotten him, no doubt, but I am not sure a high throw would have. like Mark, I think it was a brilliant gamble.
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« Reply #115 on: November 02, 2015, 02:45:19 pm »
The worst part is, Duda loaded up and stepped home. Mechanically he did everything right to throw him out, and still managed to launch the throw. Even if it was catchable, I don't see any way Hosmer is out with how high away that throw was.

Yeah I think any throw that doesn't force the catcher to move his feet would have been good enough.

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« Reply #116 on: November 02, 2015, 03:12:11 pm »
I lived in KC for most of George Brett's career.  Almost without fail, if Brett made an error, you could count on him doing something to make up for it later in the game. 

It's a small sample size, but Hosmer demonstrated the same trait in this World Series.  He certainly counters the sabermetric claim that there's no such thing as a "clutch player".
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« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2015, 03:55:44 pm »
I think it was absolutely the right move for hosmer to try for home there. Worthwhile gamble. Any sort of decent throw gets him though.

There was just no stopping the Royals this year. It'll be interesting to see if they can remain a great team going forward. Ventura may or may not mature into an ace, and they're losing Cueto at least. Maybe Gordon too. And they've already lost Holland. But I have a feeling they'll be able to reload as they go, building around Cain/Perez/Hosmer/Moustakas/Davis/Escobar.
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« Reply #118 on: November 02, 2015, 04:02:30 pm »
I think it was absolutely the right move for hosmer to try for home there. Worthwhile gamble. Any sort of decent throw gets him though.

There was just no stopping the Royals this year. It'll be interesting to see if they can remain a great team going forward. Ventura may or may not mature into an ace, and they're losing Cueto at least. Maybe Gordon too. And they've already lost Holland. But I have a feeling they'll be able to reload as they go, building around Cain/Perez/Hosmer/Moustakas/Davis/Escobar.

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« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2015, 04:20:19 pm »
what about Zobrist? he is the real deal.

Zobrist is a free agent they don't intend to keep.
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« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2015, 04:25:27 pm »
Zobrist is a free agent they don't intend to keep.

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« Reply #121 on: November 02, 2015, 04:27:59 pm »
Zobrist is a free agent they don't intend to keep.

Who said they don't intend to try to keep him?

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« Reply #122 on: November 02, 2015, 06:48:16 pm »
I would love to see Zobrist in an Astros uniform. His positional flexibility and contact hitting would be a great addition.  Not to mention he also has the rep for being a good teammate/clubhouse guy.

Heard today on Olney's podcast that the Royals coaches had told players to test Duda's arm.  If that indeed was the scouting report, they nailed it.
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« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2015, 08:20:06 pm »

Who said they don't intend to try to keep him?

And he would look good in Houston.

They all but said as much when they acquired him. He was a fill in, first for Gordon, then Colon.


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« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2015, 08:55:49 pm »
Jim, I have no idea why, but Zobrist has never really played 3B.
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« Reply #125 on: November 02, 2015, 09:54:42 pm »
I know that we would all like the Astros to make a flashy free agent move, but Zobrist is going to get at least a three year deal.  Maybe a four year deal.  And he is going to be 35 next season.  Do we really want to commit that much money to a player who is on the down side of his career?  Plus, the Astros have Moran, JD Davis, and perhaps Alex Bregman to play third base.  I'm not sure that third base is where the Astros should be spending their resources.

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« Reply #126 on: November 02, 2015, 11:02:38 pm »
I know that we would all like the Astros to make a flashy free agent move, but Zobrist is going to get at least a three year deal.  Maybe a four year deal.  And he is going to be 35 next season.  Do we really want to commit that much money to a player who is on the down side of his career?  Plus, the Astros have Moran, JD Davis, and perhaps Alex Bregman to play third base.  I'm not sure that third base is where the Astros should be spending their resources.
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« Reply #127 on: November 03, 2015, 07:10:36 am »
Not to mention Lowrie and Valbuena.

I think there's often an unhealthy obsession with Lowrie around here.  He's a nice player, and a good guy to have around.  But he shouldn't be blocking anyone, either preventing you from calling a guy up or acquiring a guy.
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« Reply #128 on: November 03, 2015, 08:26:09 am »
I think there's often an unhealthy obsession with Lowrie around here.  He's a nice player, and a good guy to have around.  But he shouldn't be blocking anyone, either preventing you from calling a guy up or acquiring a guy.

You're absolutely correct. And he seems fragile to boot.
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« Reply #129 on: November 03, 2015, 08:39:05 am »
I think there's often an unhealthy obsession with Lowrie around here.  He's a nice player, and a good guy to have around.  But he shouldn't be blocking anyone, either preventing you from calling a guy up or acquiring a guy.

I interpret these things as the contract blocking someone, not the player.
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« Reply #130 on: November 03, 2015, 08:44:21 am »
Jim, I have no idea why, but Zobrist has never really played 3B.

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« Reply #131 on: November 03, 2015, 10:04:33 am »
I interpret these things as the contract blocking someone, not the player.
Correct. I didn't mean to imply that the Astros shouldn't aspire to have a better 3B than Lowrie or Valbuena. Just that both guys are fine options there - good gloves, decent bats but with flaws. Lowrie is absolutely injury-prone (and clearly never regained his hitting stroke post-injury this year); Valbuena can't hit lefties and Ks a ton. And with Lowrie due $7-8m each of the next two years, I'm not sure he's going anywhere (Valbeuna, on the other hand, could be a nice trade chip). 3B just isn't a pressing need like the bullpen is, and LF is. Some combo of Lowrie, Valbuena, and Marwin can keep it warm until Moran or Bregman are ready.

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« Reply #132 on: November 03, 2015, 12:44:37 pm »
I know that we would all like the Astros to make a flashy free agent move, but Zobrist is going to get at least a three year deal.  Maybe a four year deal.  And he is going to be 35 next season.  Do we really want to commit that much money to a player who is on the down side of his career?  Plus, the Astros have Moran, JD Davis, and perhaps Alex Bregman to play third base.  I'm not sure that third base is where the Astros should be spending their resources.

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« Reply #133 on: November 03, 2015, 01:07:39 pm »
By definition he's on the downside of his career.  And with respect to the length of contract, I'm just passing along what the talking heads are saying he is looking for and will likely receive.  Of course, if you could get him for 1-2 years, I'd be more interested if I were the Astros.
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« Reply #134 on: November 03, 2015, 03:39:57 pm »
Correct. I didn't mean to imply that the Astros shouldn't aspire to have a better 3B than Lowrie or Valbuena. Just that both guys are fine options there - good gloves, decent bats but with flaws. Lowrie is absolutely injury-prone (and clearly never regained his hitting stroke post-injury this year); Valbuena can't hit lefties and Ks a ton. And with Lowrie due $7-8m each of the next two years, I'm not sure he's going anywhere (Valbeuna, on the other hand, could be a nice trade chip). 3B just isn't a pressing need like the bullpen is, and LF is. Some combo of Lowrie, Valbuena, and Marwin can keep it warm until Moran or Bregman are ready.

Two thoughts...  When Bregman was drafted, wasn't some of the commentary that he would (or could) eventually push Correa to 3B?  Don't remember any chatter about him (Bregman) making that switch instead.  Also, even as I think about what may happen with Reed, wonder if it makes sense for Moran to see any time at 1B next year?
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« Reply #135 on: November 03, 2015, 10:12:26 pm »
Would YOU move Carlos Correa to 3B? I mean, I have no clue what the Astros envision doing with Bregman. He'd probably make a fine 3B. Or maybe they see him as trade bait for some big deadline deal.

Moran is supposed to have good hands and a good arm, with average-at-best power, so I doubt he would be shifted to 1B except in unusual circumstances.
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« Reply #136 on: November 04, 2015, 08:18:17 am »
Would YOU move Carlos Correa to 3B? I mean, I have no clue what the Astros envision doing with Bregman. He'd probably make a fine 3B. Or maybe they see him as trade bait for some big deadline deal.

Moran is supposed to have good hands and a good arm, with average-at-best power, so I doubt he would be shifted to 1B except in unusual circumstances.

I agree with all of this. Bregman may make a very good 2b. Would the Astros entertain moving Altuve in a  couple of years? I doubt it because he is such a fan favorite and you know what you have with him. Everything I read about Bregman's defense indicates he could handle SS. Regarding 3b, we seem to have forgotten Duffy. Could he end up in a platoon next year? he can handle both corner spots.