2015 College Football

[HudsonHawk]

First upset, ranked team goes down...Stanford gets manhandled by Northwestern. 

[austro]

First upset, ranked team goes down...Stanford gets manhandled by Northwestern. 

This is great: it means that when Stanford beats ND later in the year, it will be a double shot for ND.

[austro]

Have to give credit to A&M: I thought the move to the SEC was a mistake, but it sure seem like it has given their recruiting a significant boost. That Dirk kid from Arizona looks special.

[chuck]

Fucking BYU, man.

[cougar]

Have to give credit to A&M: I thought the move to the SEC was a mistake, but it sure seem like it has given their recruiting a significant boost. That Dirk kid from Arizona looks special.

Christian Kirk.  Yeah he had himself quite the debut.  Aggies have taken the top player out of Arizona for the last couple of years (Kirk and Allen), and are one of the front runners for this year's top player, N'keal Harry.  Combine that with a couple of quality players out of Louisiana every year and Chavis' old stomping grounds in Tennessee, and the Aggies have hopefully set themselves up for long term recruiting success.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

I expected improvement under Chavis, but didn't think the Ags would sucker punch ASU nearly like this.  I'm trying to temper my expectations after what happened after the South Carolina win last year.  ASU could end up being hot garbage like South Carolina was.

[Andyzipp]

I have no feelings towards Penn State one way or the other, but Temple breaking a string predating WWII was pretty exciting.

[Phil_in_CS]

I expected improvement under Chavis, but didn't think the Ags would sucker punch ASU nearly like this.  I'm trying to temper my expectations after what happened after the South Carolina win last year.  ASU could end up being hot garbage like South Carolina was.

That's my view as well. Preseason rankings don't mean much. South Carolina turned out to have a poor year, so beating them on the road to open the season last year wasn't that big a deal in retrospect. We have an easy next two games, and then 6 of the next 9 are against teams currently in the top 20, including road games at Old Miss and LSU.

I like what Chavis is doing, but it will take another couple years to get things turned around.

The new stadium is very nice at least. I mean, for half a billion dollars it ought to be.

[Phil_in_CS]

Texas to fire AD Patterson
http://www.chron.com/sports/longhorns/article/Reports-University-of-Texas-expected-to-fire-AD-6505492.php

Patterson has a guaranteed contract the runs through August 2019, meaning the school would owe him at least $5.6 million, although a lower amount could be negotiated.

Hard to see Patterson's motives for negotiating a smaller amount.

[HudsonHawk]

Hard to see Patterson's motives for negotiating a smaller amount.

Lump sum up front?

[austro]

Texas just got completely reamed on a roughing the passer call that wiped out an interception on the worst "throw it up for grabs" decision you'll see a QB make all year.

[chuck]

Both of these head coaches are fucking imbeciles.

[austro]

Why is it Strong's fault that his punter can't catch a snap that's right in his fucking chest?

[Ty in Tampa]

Why is it Strong's fault that his punter can't catch a snap that's right in his fucking chest?

It's not, but it's probably his fault OSU was able to tie the game.

[Jacksonian]

It's not, but it's probably his fault OSU was able to tie the game.

Probably?  It was his lack of self control that gave them the 15 yards without having to earn it.  OSU wasn't exactly sharp offensively.

[chuck]

Why is it Strong's fault that his punter can't catch a snap that's right in his fucking chest?

It's not. The penalty that brought osu into fg range, the time out after second down, those are two things of many, many that I saw that were really pretty out there.

[MRaup]

It's not. The penalty that brought osu into fg range, the time out after second down, those are two things of many, many that I saw that were really pretty out there.

That game was the biggest no lube screwjob I have ever seen by an officiating crew. Charlie Strong not murdering that side judge is a testament to his character. I would've ripped that guy's head off long before then.

Fucking unbelievable.

[Duke]

That game was the biggest no lube screwjob I have ever seen by an officiating crew. Charlie Strong not murdering that side judge is a testament to his character. I would've ripped that guy's head off long before then.

Fucking unbelievable.

In my 45 years of attending UT football games, I have never seen Texas get hosed like that in Austin.   Speculation on talk radio is that the fix may have been  in and was driven by a big booster who doesn't like CS.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

In my 45 years of attending UT football games, I have never seen Texas get hosed like that in Austin.   Speculation on talk radio is that the fix may have been  in and was driven by a big booster who doesn't like CS.

That's a pretty big leap from shitty officiating to moral bankruptcy.

[MusicMan]

In my 45 years of attending UT football games, I have never seen Texas get hosed like that in Austin.   Speculation on talk radio is that the fix may have been  in and was driven by a big booster who doesn't like CS.

Indeed.

[jbm]

I'm not in the conspiracy camp, but that was way beyond "shitty officiating."  So bad, that I understand people seeking ulterior motives as a way to explain what they witnessed. 

[JimR]

That's a pretty big leap from shitty officiating to moral bankruptcy.

read scipio tex on barking carnival. I am going with moral bankruptcy. the calls went well beyond incompetency.

[Duke]

That's a pretty big leap from shitty officiating to moral bankruptcy.

Wasn't just shitty officiating, it was an ass reaming.  Defensive holding on a running play where the so called offender is getting double teamed?  Holy shit!

[MusicMan]

read scipio tex on barking carnival. I am going with moral bankruptcy. the calls went well beyond incompetency.

Scipio's article was reasonable.

The comments... woof.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Via Every Day Should Be Saturday:

It ain't the conspiracy that bothers Texas; it's the shame of being outbid by an Oklahoman.

More here.

[chuck]

Via Every Day Should Be Saturday:
More here.

I can see why you're still mad, though. A failure to execute properly seems like the least Texan thing possible.

[MusicMan]

Starting to worry Strong won't be given time to turn this around.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Starting to worry Strong won't be given time to turn this around.

Me too.

[Mr. Happy]

Starting to worry Strong won't be given time to turn this around.


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Has there been any appreciable improvement?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Has there been any appreciable improvement?

Are you talking about win and losses, or institutional control?

[juliogotay]

Has there been any appreciable improvement?

I thought there was appreciable improvement until today. Special teams is a total mess.

[austro]

I think it's becoming clear just how little talent Mack had accumulated at the end. But Strong may pay the price for that.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The always classy Rangers weigh in on Strong's job security. The whole Ranger organization is a hive of festering assholes. Accidentally.

[austro]

70 first half points in the Tech-Baylor game. I'd say that the over on that 90.5 line is looking pretty solid.

[MusicMan]

Via Every Day Should Be Saturday:
More here.

This week:

Hell, Charlie, even the Falklands were competitive through Week 5.

[DVauthrin]

I think it's becoming clear just how little talent Mack had accumulated at the end. But Strong may pay the price for that.

There are talent deficiencies for sure (O-Line anyone), but good coaches find ways to win, and not have their players making the same mistakes over and over again (see special teams).  The problem with Saturday's debacle isn't that they lost.  It's the fact they looked like they were JV playing TCU's varsity squad.  And TCU hasn't looked that good at any point this year, especially defensively.  Yet Texas made them look like the 85 Bears.  They took 2 steps forward between Rice and OK State, and followed it up by taking 3 steps back against TCU. 

[jbm]

People should just look at the whole year and then evaluate, IMO. 

And what is he supposed to do about the special teams mistakes, at least mid season or game by game?  He has a shitty kicker.  How's he supposed to coach that up?

[DVauthrin]

People should just look at the whole year and then evaluate, IMO. 

And what is he supposed to do about the special teams mistakes, at least mid season or game by game?  He has a shitty kicker.  How's he supposed to coach that up?

The special teams have been terrible since the beginning of last season and nothing has changed.

[Duke]

People should just look at the whole year and then evaluate, IMO. 

And what is he supposed to do about the special teams mistakes, at least mid season or game by game?  He has a shitty kicker.  How's he supposed to coach that up?

How about not trotting him out for a meaningless kick and going for on fourth down.  What good do 3 points do you when you're down by 30?

[Phil_in_CS]

I think it's becoming clear just how little talent Mack had accumulated at the end. But Strong may pay the price for that.

Wouldn't be the first time in college football a good coach took over a bad team and wasn't given enough time to get things fixed up.

[juliogotay]

Wouldn't be the first time in college football a good coach took over a bad team and wasn't given enough time to get things fixed up.

I can't imagine Strong not getting a 3rd year.

[doyce7]

I can't imagine Strong not getting a 3rd year.

Boosters didn't like the hire to begin with, also new AD will want to make a splash. I think he should get a 3rd year but I'm not so sure he will get it, unless things turn around and I don't see that happening.

[jbm]

I also can't imagine he doesn't get a third year, at least.  Not directed at anyone here, but I read so much pathetically lame criticism of the guy, almost all of it by ankle-biting, entitled fucks.  Drives me nuts.  Let the guy do his job while you support him and save the evaluations for later. 

[Phil_in_CS]

Sumlin on Strong, yesterday:

“I’ve known Charlie for a long time. He’s always been a really, really, really good coach and a guy who has done a marvelous job as an assistant coach, as a coordinator, as a head coach. Just because things haven’t worked out in this short period of time doesn’t mean they won’t work out for him. He’s really just getting started. There’s always going to be opinions about what happens and what hasn’t happened. He just needs some time to do things the way he wants to do them and we’ll see what happens from there.”

source: https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/2-things-every-texas-am-fan-needs-to-know-today

I haven't followed Texas enough to know, but on the comments y'all made about how bad the special teams are playing: You can only fix so much at once. You have to do triage and figure out how to spend your resources. Maybe they need a couple starting linebackers added to the punt coverage, but those kids don't have the conditioning yet for the extra snaps and to put them on coverage means they won't be as effective on defense. Maybe all the kickers plain suck, and the one he's using is the best he has, and he's sure he will get a good one from HS for next year. There are all sorts of legit reasons why they don't have enough resources to bring special teams up, including what someone noted above that week to week major change once the season starts is very difficult.  If getting special teams fixed means the defense comes completely unglued, you've just got to suck up the problems from special teams and move on as best you can.

A couple years ago we didn't have a single place kicker that was reliable outside of 30 yards. The comment above about "shoulda gone for it" is valid and that's where Sumlin ended up after giving three different boys a try in actual games. One of them was awesome in practice, and on kick offs he'd damn near hit the goal posts. But he missed several PATs and chip shot field goals in actual games. Had the yips or something, I guess.

[Duke]

Boosters didn't like the hire to begin with, also new AD will want to make a splash. I think he should get a 3rd year but I'm not so sure he will get it, unless things turn around and I don't see that happening.

Perrin has a one year contract and I don't think he will let Strong go.   I imagine that we won't have a new AD until next summer.  I think Charlie gets a third year.

[juliogotay]

Perrin has a one year contract and I don't think he will let Strong go.   I imagine that we won't have a new AD until next summer.  I think Charlie gets a third year.

I don't know that Perrin could let Strong go without the blessing of the new President. Very unlikely.

[Duke]

I don't know that Perrin could let Strong go without the blessing of the new President. Very unlikely.

Agreed.

[MusicMan]

Boosters didn't like the hire to begin with

The boosters that didn't like hiring Strong were a very small, very vocal minority.  Irony intended.

[HudsonHawk]

2:23 pm...and OU still sucks

[austro]

Big Game Bob comes through again.

[juliogotay]

I'm very happy for Charlie and his staff. I think the team grew up this past week.

[austro]

I hope that Ridgeway isn't seriously hurt. His presence makes a pretty big difference.

[NeilT]

I don't follow football much, but does U of H have a good team?

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

I don't follow football much, but does U of H have a good team?

They're frisky this year. Quite likely that they'll embarrass some Power 5 team in a bowl game. And then Herman will take the Miami/Maryland/USC/Tennessee/other USC job.

[Phil_in_CS]

Perrin has a one year contract and I don't think he will let Strong go.   I imagine that we won't have a new AD until next summer.  I think Charlie gets a third year.

Safe bet today.

[Navin R Johnson]

They're frisky this year. Quite likely that they'll embarrass some Power 5 team in a bowl game. And then Herman will take the Miami/Maryland/USC/Tennessee/other USC job.

#24 now, and I am willing to bet whatever you are that he doesn't take any of those jobs.

[NeilT]

#24 now, and I am willing to bet whatever you are that he doesn't take any of those jobs.

Do you think he's there to build a program? 

[Navin R Johnson]

Do you think he's there to build a program? 

There are a couple jobs Im sure he'd leave for.  He wont be leaving for some random gig, like a  Maryland or Miami or Tennessee.  He has zero connections to those schools.   The money is there to pay him and his staff to keep him away from those type jobs.  If Urban retires/quits, that is the kind of thing I'd worry about.

Either way, it is way more fun having a coach kicking rear on the field and in recruiting than what we had the last 3 years.   

[HudsonHawk]

There are a couple jobs Im sure he'd leave for.  He wont be leaving for some random gig, like a  Maryland or Miami or Tennessee.  He has zero connections to those schools.   The money is there to pay him and his staff to keep him away from those type jobs.  If Urban retires/quits, that is the kind of thing I'd worry about.

Either way, it is way more fun having a coach kicking rear on the field and in recruiting than what we had the last 3 years.

If Herman got a chance to coach at Maryland or Miami or USC or Tennessee...or any other big name school, he'd be gone faster than Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin combined.

[Navin R Johnson]

Briles and the AD hated each other, that was the #1 reason he left.  Kevin was offered several jobs and passed, it was only when a school like A&M offered that he left.   

[BizidyDizidy]

Wow, that's some impressive delusion. Wouldn't leave for some random job like USC or Tennessee (nevermind that coaches at those schools make 3x what Herman makes at UH, or that they are storied programs in top conferences, or that he has no historical connection to UofH). Southeast Houston must have really made an impression on him.

[HudsonHawk]

Briles and the AD hated each other, that was the #1 reason he left.  Kevin was offered several jobs and passed, it was only when a school like A&M offered that he left.

The #1 reason Briles left was to go coach at a Big 12 school.  The number one reason Sumlin left was to go coach at an SEC school.  He was a top assistant at Ohio State, and the only reason you leave that program for a UH is to prove yourself as a head coach in an effort to get a big time head coaching job yourself.  If you think Herman would have to think more than a millisecond about leaving UH to go to Tennessee, you're delusional. 

[MusicMan]

If USC offered, there would be a Herman-sized hole in the door at UH.


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[juliogotay]

If USC offered, there would be a Herman-sized hole in the door at UH.


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USC may be pretty close to having to make a decision.

[Navin R Johnson]

The #1 reason Briles left was to go coach at a Big 12 school.  The number one reason Sumlin left was to go coach at an SEC school.  He was a top assistant at Ohio State, and the only reason you leave that program for a UH is to prove yourself as a head coach in an effort to get a big time head coaching job yourself.  If you think Herman would have to think more than a millisecond about leaving UH to go to Tennessee, you're delusional. 

Art left mainly because of the rift he had with Dave Maggard.  He was waiting for a bigger job than Baylor, but he'd finally had enough.  Art brought all his high school cronies to UofH, after crappy results Maggard told him to hire a real staff or he was getting fired.

Sumlin, like Herman, is a really bright guy.  He knew he could win a bunch off games and will have has pick of schools.  Why settle for Maryland or USC (South Carolina) or Miami.  Go to somewhere that you have a big an advantage on your competition.   Go somewhere that you have lots of connections and in roads to recruiting.

Oh well, I am gonna enjoy watching Herman kick tail while he is here.  Whenever he decides to move on, time to find the next coach to do the same as Briles, Sumlin and Herman. 

[HudsonHawk]

Why settle for Maryland or USC (South Carolina) or Miami.  Go to somewhere that you have a big an advantage on your competition.   Go somewhere that you have lots of connections and in roads to recruiting.

Going from UH to South Carolina, or Miami, or Maryland isn't "settling".  It's an enormous step up.

Oh well, I am gonna enjoy watching Herman kick tail while he is here.  Whenever he decides to move on, time to find the next coach to do the same as Briles, Sumlin and Herman.

I'm enjoying it too.  I love the Cougars as much as anyone.  But as long as they're an AAC school, they're going to be in this position with any coach who has success. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Going from UH to South Carolina, or Miami, or Maryland isn't "settling".  It's an enormous step up.

I'm enjoying it too.  I love the Cougars as much as anyone.  But as long as they're an AAC school, they're going to be in this position with any coach who has success. 

I don't think we are very far apart on this.  I agree, going from the AAC to the SEC is an upgrade.   I just think Herman, like Sumlin has his sights set up an upper upper echelon P5 job.   

On a related note, if/when CTH leaves, UH is going to be in a much better spot.  They will be building a new football only facility in the very near future.  New field house, meeting rooms, coaches offices, etc... It will be attached to, or right next to TDECU stadium.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

The real coup would be UH getting a Big XII X VIII X invite.

[DVauthrin]

Safe bet today.

Yep, beating OU bought Charlie time and goodwill with the boosters.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The real coup would be UH getting a Big XII X VIII X invite.

That's always been my hope. Gary Patterson took TCU from the C-USA to eventually the Big 12. Hoping Herman will take a similar path but he'll need to get paid like TCU did for Patterson.

[Navin R Johnson]

FWIW, UofH was willing to pay more for Herman, but he decided to raise the pool of money for assistants.  That let him steal a very good DC from Utah State and pay for Major.  Leadership at UH is doing everything possible to find a way into a P5 conference, 200+ million in facility upgrades.  The biggest thing is all the on campus housing.  When I was there is twas the Towers and the quads.  Now there are 6000+ kids on campus, and there are tons of restaurants and bars.  It is night and day from even 10 years ago.

They had 7000 students show up on a Thursday going against the Astros and Texans games.  not long ago we'd be lucky to get 7K students in 5 games.

[WakePhil]

I know this crowd is super into ACC football, and that I'm bringing this up several days late, but did anyone see highlights (lowlights?) from the end of the Wake Forest/Boston College game? High high comedy.

1) With 5 minutes left, a Wake punt returner fields a punt inside the 2, retreats into the end zone and barely escapes a safety. Wake burns clock and tries to create space for punt.
2) BC gets the ball back with around 3 minutes at the 50 yard line. Work pretty quickly to the 8 yard line.  3rd down and an inch to go, they run a QB dive and he fumbles the ball to Wake.
3) 2 minutes to go, Wake runs twice, BC calls time-outs. On third down with a minute left and no more BC time-outs Wake fumbles the ball back to BC on the 11 yard line.
4) BC runs two quick plays and gets to the one yard line with 20 seconds remaining. Officials measure for first down, giving BC time to think about the next play.
5) BC tries a draw, its stopped, they cannot untangle the scrum and get lined up again before the clock expires. Game over. Wake wins 3-0.

Incredible display of ineptitude.

Hard to top Wake's thrilling defeat of Virginia Tech last year (6-3 win in double OT), but I think they did it.

[HudsonHawk]

If you missed the end of the Michigan/Michigan St game today, you missed the  dickstepping ending of the year.  Possibly of the century.  Michigan up 23-21 with the ball...fourth down on the MSU 47 yard line.  They line up for a punt, and MSU has no one back, so all Michigan has to do is punt the ball and the game is over.  You can guess what happens next.  The punter fumbles the snap.  He recovers it, and if he simply falls down, MSU has the ball at the 45 with 3 or 4 seconds left and time only for a Hail Mary.  Instead, the Michigan punter inexplicably throws the ball in the air, where an MSU player grabs it and runs it back for a game-winning TD with no time left on the clock. 

Crazy. 

[doyce7]

If you missed the end of the Michigan/Michigan St game today, you missed the  dickstepping ending of the year.  Possibly of the century.  Michigan up 23-21 with the ball...fourth down on the MSU 47 yard line.  They line up for a punt, and MSU has no one back, so all Michigan has to do is punt the ball and the game is over.  You can guess what happens next.  The punter fumbles the snap.  He recovers it, and if he simply falls down, MSU has the ball at the 45 with 3 or 4 seconds left and time only for a Hail Mary.  Instead, the Michigan punter inexplicably throws the ball in the air, where an MSU player grabs it and runs it back for a game-winning TD with no time left on the clock. 

Crazy.

My wife started talking to me at about the time Michigan was lining up to punt, I put the TV on mute and turned to her. 30 seconds go by and I glance at the TV, what the hell? Why is Michigan State celebrating? Unbelievable ending.

Looked like the punter thought he could still get the punt off but was hit once he lifted the ball up. He looks like a dumbass today.

[austro]

If you missed the end of the Michigan/Michigan St game today, you missed the  dickstepping ending of the year.  Possibly of the century.  Michigan up 23-21 with the ball...fourth down on the MSU 47 yard line.  They line up for a punt, and MSU has no one back, so all Michigan has to do is punt the ball and the game is over.  You can guess what happens next.  The punter fumbles the snap.  He recovers it, and if he simply falls down, MSU has the ball at the 45 with 3 or 4 seconds left and time only for a Hail Mary.  Instead, the Michigan punter inexplicably throws the ball in the air, where an MSU player grabs it and runs it back for a game-winning TD with no time left on the clock. 

After MSU failed to convert their 4th-and-19, I left the room to get cleaned up for a party we were headed to. When I came back out they were into the LSU-Florida game, and it wasn't until I was at the party and somebody started talking about it that I learned that I had missed one of the all-time wacky endings. Did Harbaugh's head explode when it happened?

[juliogotay]

After MSU failed to convert their 4th-and-19, I left the room to get cleaned up for a party we were headed to. When I came back out they were into the LSU-Florida game, and it wasn't until I was at the party and somebody started talking about it that I learned that I had missed one of the all-time wacky endings. Did Harbaugh's head explode when it happened?

I think Harbaugh, like everyone else in The Big House and everyone else watching, was too stunned to be pissed off. It was the most incredible ending I have seen in a long time. You had no right to hope for such an ending if you were MSU or a fan.

[juliogotay]

If you missed the end of the Michigan/Michigan St game today, you missed the  dickstepping ending of the year.  Possibly of the century.  Michigan up 23-21 with the ball...fourth down on the MSU 47 yard line.  They line up for a punt, and MSU has no one back, so all Michigan has to do is punt the ball and the game is over.  You can guess what happens next.  The punter fumbles the snap.  He recovers it, and if he simply falls down, MSU has the ball at the 45 with 3 or 4 seconds left and time only for a Hail Mary.  Instead, the Michigan punter inexplicably throws the ball in the air, where an MSU player grabs it and runs it back for a game-winning TD with no time left on the clock. 

Crazy.

Didn't he try to kick it? That's what it looked like to me. BTW, I saw the dumbest Targeting Call against Michigan in the first half, and I was pulling for MSU, where a LBer got thrown down by a MSU lineman onto a player with the ball who was already down and because it was a blow to the down players' head area a targeting call was made and the player ejected.

[austro]

Didn't he try to kick it? That's what it looked like to me. BTW, I saw the dumbest Targeting Call against Michigan in the first half, and I was pulling for MSU, where a LBer got thrown down by a MSU lineman onto a player with the ball who was already down and because it was a blow to the down players' head area a targeting call was made and the player ejected.

I wasn't buying the angle that the contact happened solely because the LB was thrown into the QB. Yes, he was being pushed by the lineman, and he was probably going to fall on the QB because of that, but it looked pretty clear to me that he took that opportunity to give the QB an unnecessary head-knocker. Nonetheless, a targeting call seemed pretty extreme; to me; it should have just been garden variety unnecessary roughness: 15 yards and move on.

[Phil_in_CS]

I think Harbaugh, like everyone else in The Big House and everyone else watching, was too stunned to be pissed off. It was the most incredible ending I have seen in a long time. You had no right to hope for such an ending if you were MSU or a fan.

A buddy in St. Louis had gone out for drinks with friends, unaware the bar they went to was the HQ for the local Alabama fans gathered to watch the game against Auburn in 2013. The place was loud and raucous and since my friend and his group didn't care about that game they were about look for another place so they could talk. He said "all of a sudden it went totally silent.  We looked to see the TVs, figuring someone must have broken their neck or something."

I can only imagine what 100,000 people saying "oh no" softly at the same time is like.

[HudsonHawk]

A buddy in St. Louis had gone out for drinks with friends, unaware the bar they went to was the HQ for the local Alabama fans gathered to watch the game against Auburn in 2013. The place was loud and raucous and since my friend and his group didn't care about that game they were about look for another place so they could talk. He said "all of a sudden it went totally silent.  We looked to see the TVs, figuring someone must have broken their neck or something."

I can only imagine what 100,000 people saying "oh no" softly at the same time is like.

This was far worse than the Alabama/Auburn ending in 2013.  In that one, at least it was Auburn making a play...an unlikely one, but a play nonetheless.  This was simply stepping on your dick then lighting your dick on fire. 

[DVauthrin]

Didn't he try to kick it? That's what it looked like to me.

Yes, after the botched snap, the Michigan punter got his hand on the ball and tried to rugby punt it with MSU defenders bearing down on him.

[MusicMan]

If you missed the end of the Michigan/Michigan St game today, you missed the  dickstepping ending of the year.  Possibly of the century.  Michigan up 23-21 with the ball...fourth down on the MSU 47 yard line.  They line up for a punt, and MSU has no one back, so all Michigan has to do is punt the ball and the game is over.  You can guess what happens next.  The punter fumbles the snap.  He recovers it, and if he simply falls down, MSU has the ball at the 45 with 3 or 4 seconds left and time only for a Hail Mary.  Instead, the Michigan punter inexplicably throws the ball in the air, where an MSU player grabs it and runs it back for a game-winning TD with no time left on the clock. 

Crazy. 

You left out the part where the MSU returner broke his hip when everyone dogpiled on him.

[Duke]

You left out the part where the MSU returner broke his hip when everyone dogpiled on him.

everybody is leaving that part out including all the media reports.  He's out for the season.  I can't tell if he broke it during the play or during the dog pile.

[BizidyDizidy]

Tom Herman seems pretty unimpressed with Houston fans

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[juliogotay]

everybody is leaving that part out including all the media reports.  He's out for the season.  I can't tell if he broke it during the play or during the dog pile.

Watts-Jackson said his hip was hurt when he hit the ground-before his celebrating teammates piled on top of him. "It felt like I was under there for an hour. After watching, I guess I wasn't under there that long, there were just a lot of people on top of me. Definitely being under the pile of all those people, being about 190 lbs.,  it's not that fun of an experience." He added he would do it all over again if he had to. (from Dallas Morning News, 10/22/15).

[Duke]

Watts-Jackson said his hip was hurt when he hit the ground-before his celebrating teammates piled on top of him. "It felt like I was under there for an hour. After watching, I guess I wasn't under there that long, there were just a lot of people on top of me. Definitely being under the pile of all those people, being about 190 lbs.,  it's not that fun of an experience." He added he would do it all over again if he had to. (from Dallas Morning News, 10/22/15).

Thanks.  It didn't look that violent or awkward.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Paxton Lynch (6'7" 240) of Memphis is a hell of a quarterback.

[Mike S.]

Yes, after the botched snap, the Michigan punter got his hand on the ball and tried to rugby punt it with MSU defenders bearing down on him.

As a former rugby player, that was anything but a rugby kick.

[Navin R Johnson]

Coogs.  8-0. Next up Cincy.   

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Coogs.  8-0. Next up Cincy.

The Bearcats just beat the shit out of UCF, beat 'em worse than the Coogs did.

[Navin R Johnson]

Cincy beat UCF 52-7 at home, UH beat UCF 59-10 at UCF.

Cincy's QB went off vs UCF, 15-15, 319 yds and 5 TDs,  Crazy to think it was just a couple years ago that UCF whipped Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl.

Met Reid Ryan at the Coog game last night, totally whiffed and forgot to ask him to fire Ashby and bring back JD.   

[Navin R Johnson]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/01/in-november-the-college-football-playoff-truly-begins/

This is going to be a FANtastic November, so many defacto playoff games, so many teams still in the running. 

[doyce7]

Cincy beat UCF 52-7 at home, UH beat UCF 59-10 at UCF.

Cincy's QB went off vs UCF, 15-15, 319 yds and 5 TDs,  Crazy to think it was just a couple years ago that UCF whipped Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl.

Met Reid Ryan at the Coog game last night, totally whiffed and forgot to ask him to fire Ashby and bring back JD.

You owe us 10 laps

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Cincy beat UCF 52-7 at home, UH beat UCF 59-10 at UCF.

My bad.

[HudsonHawk]

One of the great things about the sports package on DirecTV is the diversity of college football.  Just finished watching Penn come back from stepping on their dicks at the goal line, blocking a potential game-winning field goal as regulation expired, and then winning in overtime against Princeton.  It was far more exciting than Notre Dame/Pitt.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The Coogs are 9-0 after beating Cincinnati in one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a week or two. Also Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch would look good in a Texans uniform next year.

[HudsonHawk]

The Coogs are 9-0 after beating Cincinnati in one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a week or two. Also Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch would look good in a Texans uniform next year.

I'd love to see Lynch in Deep Steel Blue.  The Texans probably aren't quite bad enough though.

[Jacksonian]

I'd love to see Lynch in Deep Steel Blue.  The Texans probably aren't quite bad competent enough though.

[HudsonHawk]

I still like Lynch, but man, Navy just beat the living shit out of Memphis. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Curious.  What was the issue with the officiating with the uh game?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Curious.  What was the issue with the officiating with the uh game?

It went both ways. One example was Houston not being call for a false start, which resulted in three unsportsmanlike penalties to Cincinnati for whining about the non-call. Another example was calling offensive pass interference against the Cougars when the only contact the receiver had with a DB was at the line of scrimmage, long before the pass was thrown.  There were other flaky calls.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I still like Lynch, but man, Navy just beat the living shit out of Memphis.

"They run a lot better and are a lot more athletic than anyone gives them credit for,'' Memphis coach Justin Fuente said. ''They kicked our tail. ... They are a nightmare.''

The Coogs better be ready. The next three games will be tough. I hope they can get a better turn out for the upcoming Memphis and Navy games.

 I can't figure how Navy is in the West and and Cincinnati is in the East.

[MusicMan]

I still like Lynch, but man, Navy just beat the living shit out of Memphis. 

Most coaches facing Navy for the first time get the shit beaten out of them unless they manage to jump out to a big lead.  The triple option confounds them more than they prepare for.

[HudsonHawk]

It went both ways. One example was Houston not being call for a false start, which resulted in three unsportsmanlike penalties to Cincinnati for whining about the non-call. Another example was calling offensive pass interference against the Cougars when the only contact the receiver had with a DB was at the line of scrimmage, long before the pass was thrown.  There were other flaky calls.

That was not a false start on UH. It's not a false start when a lineman goes from a two-point to three-point stance.  It happens literally every single play at every level of football. That was just pure whining on Cincinnati's part and mind-numbing ignorance on the announcers' part.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

That was not a false start on UH. It's not a false start when a lineman goes from a two-point to three-point stance.

I had thought that once an offensive player has become set in a stance (2, 3, or 4 point), he must stay in it until the ball is snapped and any additional motion results in a false start penalty.

[HudsonHawk]

I had thought that once an offensive player has become set in a stance (2, 3, or 4 point), he must stay in it until the ball is snapped and any additional motion results in a false start penalty.

A 2-point stance is not considered a "set position".  NCAA Rule 7 specifically defines that as a 3 or 4-point stance (as does the NFL rules).  A lineman can approach the line on both feet, stop, then lower his hand into a 3-point stance.  That is not a false start, as long as he is not moving at the time of the snap.  And it's not "any additional motion" that constitutes a false start, it's any motion that "simulates the snap", which includes lifting his hand back off the ground.  Lineman regularly move and slap each other as part of a silent count. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Tubberville was still whining about it in his press conference. 


As for next week vs Memphis.   UH's best defender, CB William Jackson is going to miss the game, probably the next 2 as well.  The injuries this year are really mounting up.  3 starting OL lost for the year, UH is starting 3 freshman on the OL because of this.

RB Ryan Jackson broke his collarbone and is out for the year now too.   

[Navin R Johnson]

So through week 10, what a bunch of insane finishes this season has produced.  2 more last week, the Nebraska and Arky wins were crazy. 

[Bench]

What an amazing comeback from the coogs. A banged up bunch but a badass team.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

10-0 is nice. A full stadium was nice to see on TV. UConn is a tough team.

[JimR]

Goodness, OU kicked Baylor's ass.

[MusicMan]

Goodness, OU kicked Baylor's ass.

24-17 makes no sense whatsoever.


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[Bench]

10-0 is nice. A full stadium was nice to see on TV. UConn is a tough team.

UConn is tough, and Navy is sitting in the same position in the conference standings setting up a thriller at TDECU next week.

[HudsonHawk]

UConn is tough, and Navy is sitting in the same position in the conference standings setting up a thriller at TDECU next week.

1-0 *this* week.  That's the focus. 

[Navin R Johnson]

UH isn't making the CFB playoff, so in all actuality the UCONN game doesnt really mean anything in terms of post season.  If UH beats Navy they will host the AAC Championship game.  If they win the AAC championship game, they will go to a New Years bowl, either the Fiesta or Peach.

Considering how UH has struggled with ticket sales, I was surprised to hear there were only 1500 tickets left for the Navy game.  Which is being held in the morning on a Friday after Thanksgiving.

I thought it would be a decade before I saw anything like the comeback UH had vs Pitt last year, ended up being 10 games later.  This team is so beat up though, I'm not sure how much longer they can keep winning.   3 starting OL out for the year, starting QB out (hopefully not for long), RB out for the year, best DB missed the last 6 quarters, backup QB out for the year....

[Bench]

1-0 *this* week.  That's the focus.

The U-Conn game is a total trap game; a lesser opponent, on the road, in cold weather, with an eye towards the schedule ahead.  But Navin is right, staying undefeated is nice but beating Navy is what the season boils down to at this point. 

[Bench]

Considering how UH has struggled with ticket sales, I was surprised to hear there were only 1500 tickets left for the Navy game.  Which is being held in the morning on a Friday after Thanksgiving.

Officially sold out now.

[BudGirl]

Considering how UH has struggled with ticket sales, I was surprised to hear there were only 1500 tickets left for the Navy game.  Which is being held in the morning on a Friday after Thanksgiving.

morning??  i didn't know a time had been scheduled.

[HudsonHawk]

The U-Conn game is a total trap game; a lesser opponent, on the road, in cold weather, with an eye towards the schedule ahead.  But Navin is right, staying undefeated is nice but beating Navy is what the season boils down to at this point.

Who wants the fucking Peach Bowl?  Win them all, I say.

[HudsonHawk]

Officially sold out now.

Got my tickets

[Bench]

Who wants the fucking Peach Bowl?  Win them all, I say.

Win them all, yes.  But it's still the fucking Peach Bowl.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Win them all, yes.  But it's still the fucking Peach Bowl.

Look on the bright side: you get to embarrass some Nole fans.

[Navin R Johnson]

There are still about 500 tickets left.  Game time has been officially announced, 11AM either ABC or ESPN2.   Probably ABC if both teams win this week. 

[hostros7]

I thought it was interesting that SRO tickets were sold out online prior to kickoff for the UH-Memphis tilt, but the ticket office was selling them to walk up fans at least into the first quarter. The seats were mostly full throughout the stadium, and the main concourse was packed.

[Navin R Johnson]

It is officially sold out now.   

[BudGirl]

Cougars going to let Fertitta negotiate contract with Herman.  3 million + incentives.  Let's go coogs!

[Nate Colbert]

Well that was shitty.

[MusicMan]

Cougars going to let Fertitta negotiate contract with Herman.  3 million + incentives.  Let's go coogs!

Did Herman sign that yet?

[HudsonHawk]

Well that was shitty.

Cougars better get a whole lot better in the next 6 days if they want to stay within seven touchdowns of Navy. That and find a QB. Postma is awful.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Bummer.

[austro]

Ohio State exposed, which makes me happy. That may be the help the Big 12 needs to get somebody into the playoff now that the conference has no more undefeated teams. OU's in the driver's seat, I imagine.

[HudsonHawk]

Ohio State exposed, which makes me happy. That may be the help the Big 12 needs to get somebody into the playoff now that the conference has no more undefeated teams. OU's in the driver's seat, I imagine.

Not sure how this makes a difference. Winners of the  Big 10, SEC ACC and Notre Dame are probably in. Okie State going undefeated was probably their only shot.

[austro]

Not sure how this makes a difference. Winners of the  Big 10, SEC ACC and Notre Dame are probably in. Okie State going undefeated was probably their only shot.

I'm not convinced Notre Dame will make it. I can definitely see them losing to Stanford next week.

[Navin R Johnson]

Cougars better get a whole lot better in the next 6 days if they want to stay within seven touchdowns of Navy. That and find a QB. Postma is awful.

That was brutal.  All the injuries have caught up, OL was just awful, and the play calling completely unimaginative.  Now sounds like Farrow is going to miss the Navy game, and Postma is iffy.

So, 4 starting OLmen out.  1st, 2nd, and 3rd string QB could be out.  1st and 2nd string runningbacks are out.  How UH is favored over Navy right now is a real head scratcher.    Gonna take a huge effort from the defense to keep this one close.

[BizidyDizidy]

I'm not convinced Notre Dame will make it. I can definitely see them losing to Stanford next week.

From your lips to god's ears - taking the whole crew to the game.

[Uncle Charlie]

I'm not convinced Notre Dame will make it. I can definitely see them losing to Stanford next week.

I'm an ND fan, so clearly hoping that they win.  That said, if you told me at the beginning of the year our starting QB, RB (twice), TE, NT (twice) and CB all would go down to injury and we'd still have a shot...I would have been thrilled.  It's going to be a tough game no doubt.  That said, if they win I do think they are "in".

Lots of naysayers after the struggle against BC.  The general population (but I think the committee) recognize that he BC defense is the best in the nation.  Likewise, almost every quality team has a game which was closer than they would have liked.  Clemson had a close one against Louisville, Alabama nearly lost to Tennessee at home; Iowa barely got past Pitt, Indiana and Minnesota, Mich St with Purdue....the key is the win...period.

[JimR]

Boston College has the "best defense in the nation?"

no doubt who ND's last opponent was. that is a Mack Brown quote about his next/last opponent, except he said "country," not "nation."

[HudsonHawk]

Boston College has the "best defense in the nation?"

no doubt who ND's last opponent was. that is a Mack Brown quote about his next/last opponent, except he said "country," not "nation."

Or the "Lou Holtz Strategy".  Every team he ever played was the best team he'd ever faced.

"Coach, you just beat the St. Hubbins School for Cobblers 24-21...what does this mean for Notre Dame?"

"Well, I'll tell ya, that's a quality football team over there...the best I've seen all year, maybe the best I've ever coached against.  This is a big win for our program...huge...the biggest I've ever coached, maybe in school history...."

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

"Well, I'll tell ya, that'th a quality football team over there...the betht I've theen all year, maybe the betht I've ever coached againtht.  Thith ith a big win for our program...huge...the biggetht I've ever coacthed, maybe in thkool hithtory...."

Fixed.

[Duman]

Fixed.

nominated - if that is still a thing

[Uncle Charlie]

Boston College has the "best defense in the nation?"

Look it up, I already did.  Granted, I was suprised too.

[jbm]

They do have a salty defense, but one awfully shitty offense.  Don't know how they scored 16, much less 3.

For the Cougar fans, is Hermann (sp) a miracle worker, inherit a pretty solid group ready to blossom, or some combo?  Hear his name mentioned for all of the potential openings.   

[Navin R Johnson]

They do have a salty defense, but one awfully shitty offense.  Don't know how they scored 16, much less 3.

For the Cougar fans, is Hermann (sp) a miracle worker, inherit a pretty solid group ready to blossom, or some combo?  Hear his name mentioned for all of the potential openings.   

Combo.   We won 8 games last year, with a head coach, who had zero business of ever being a head coach.  I think with the old staff, we'd probably be 8-3/7-4 right now.  There are a bunch of legit athletes on the defense, and the schedule turned out to be pretty bad.  Vandy way down, UCF way way down, Louisville down.   Previous coach would have lost to Louisville, lost to 1 of Memphis/Cincy and probably screwed up another gimme along the way like they always did.

I think we are to banged up to beat a solid Navy in a couple days, unless Navy turns it over a bunch.

As for jobs, if USCal or UT comes knocking, I'd be shocked if he didn't leave. Does 1 of the real blue blood programs want to hire a guy with 1 year head coaching experience? UH has put a starting point of 3 million on his new contract, could go up to 4.  So the money isn't going to be significantly better at the middling P5 jobs like Mizzoo or USCar.

I *think* his plan is to stay here, build up a resume of 2-4 10 win seasons and land one of the really prime jobs.   UT, USC, Ohio State., etc..   If we can just hold on for 2 years, the next coach is gonna walk into a goldmine of talent. 

[Bench]

For the Cougar fans, is Hermann (sp) a miracle worker, inherit a pretty solid group ready to blossom, or some combo?  Hear his name mentioned for all of the potential openings.

“It’s a ‘kiss you on the cheek, squeeze you real tight and tell you that you have my heart in your hands’ kind of love, brother,” Herman clarifies. “Not ‘Love ya bro,’ or ‘Love ya dawg’ with the one-handed, ass-out hug. We’re not into that around here. We’re into real genuine love.”

[BizidyDizidy]

Great win Houston

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[HudsonHawk]

I often thought playing football in the snow has to be the worst. But damn if I've ever seen a game that looked as miserable to have to play as TCU and Baylor tonight.  That was brutal to watch.

[Navin R Johnson]

Great win Houston

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It really was.   Had Chuck's favorite GH Bush sitting about 40 ft away from me.

FINALLY the coaches let Greg Ward be Greg Ward.  I have been supremely underwhelmed with Major Applewhite/Herman on offense all year, until today.  Defense played great as usual, onto next week....

[BizidyDizidy]

It really was.   Had Chuck's favorite GH Bush sitting about 40 ft away from me.

FINALLY the coaches let Greg Ward be Greg Ward.  I have been supremely underwhelmed with Major Applewhite/Herman on offense all year, until today.  Defense played great as usual, onto next week....

Speaking of the devil, happy birthday Chuck (still counts on the West Coast).

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The Coogs looked very good yesterday. That TCU/ Baylor game was both hideous and great.

[Bench]

Herman signed a 5 year deal with UH this morning.

[HudsonHawk]

Coogs take down Temple for the AAC Championship!

Likely next stop...the Peach Bowl.

[Navin R Johnson]

Coogs take down Temple for the AAC Championship!

Likely next stop...the Peach Bowl.

Hoping we don't face Ohio State.  Iowa and Notre Dame is who I hope UH gets matched up with.   What a great day, makes up for that 2011 USM Sumlin turd burger.

[HudsonHawk]

Hoping we don't face Ohio State.  Iowa and Notre Dame is who I hope UH gets matched up with.   What a great day, makes up for that 2011 USM Sumlin turd burger.

The media would love the Herman/Ohio State angle. I hope it's Notre Dame because...well, it's Notre Dame.

[Navin R Johnson]

Coogs to the Peach Bowl to face Florida State.  Meanwhile, 4 years later Sumlin still hasn't won a conference and is now doing his best to dodge Big12 teams.....

[cougar]

Yeah 'cause he's done so poorly against them after all.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Aggies lose to Louisville. Cougars beat Florida State. Amazing season for UofH football.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Great effort by TCU and Bram Kohlhausen. What a game that was!

[Navin R Johnson]

Just back in town from Atlanta.  What a wonderful experience.  After sitting thru some morbid football times (mainly 1992-2002) it was great to finally get to see the kids perform so well on the big stage against a real blue blood program.

[chuck]

Now that the college football season is over I turn my attention to college hoops.

[Navin R Johnson]

And now former Aggie 5 star QB Kyle Allen is transferring to UofH.  Has to sit out next year while Greg Ward is a Sr, then will compete for the job in 2017. 

[Nate Colbert]

Aggie chancellor John Sharp on Chip Brown's latest:

"...we hereby nominate “Cowchip” Brown for sleaziest reporter in Texas, with full confidence he will win hands down.”

Link

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Oh Chip, never change.  He makes Billy Liucci look like Edward Murrow.

[VirtualBob]

Oh Chip, never change.  He makes Billy Liucci look like Edward Murrow.

Sources say that Chip Brown has been diagnosed with a severe clue allergy.

[JimR]

Chip Brown is a journalist, not some internet wannabe. No matter who he is reporting on or which school. my money is on him.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Chip Brown is a journalist, not some internet wannabe. No matter who he is reporting on or which school. my money is on him.

A safe bet--sometimes he's wrong, usually he is right.

[VirtualBob]

A safe bet--sometimes he's wrong, usually he is right.

I disagree. He makes so many predictions that a few are bound to be correct, but he is either very easily misled or very easily influenced by his own wishful thinking. There may be areas of expertise where this is not true, but if so, he should focus his efforts there if he cares about his credibility.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Side note: during Johnny Football's wacky adventures in Vegas this weekend, he was wearing a wig and introducing himself as "Billy".  I heard tonight from a primary source that the full name he was giving out was "Billy Liucci".  Pretty funny if true.

[Duman]

That was the best National Championship game since the Texas USC game.

[Bench]

Coogs ends up #8 in the AP Final Poll.  First top 10 finish since the 70's. 

[Navin R Johnson]

Coogs finished #10 in 1990.  But it is the highest ranking since being ranked #4 in the 70s.

Early predictions have UH ranked as high as #10 to start next year, which they start vs top 5 Oklahoma.