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Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« on: July 01, 2015, 03:21:34 pm »
Your lineups for tonight's tilt:

Royals

SSAlcides Escobar (R)
3BMike Moustakas (L)
DHLorenzo Cain (R)
1BKendrys Morales (S)
CSalvador Perez (R)
LFAlex Gordon (L)
RFAlex Rios (R)
2BOmar Infante (R)
CFJarrod Dyson (L)

KC: Edinson Volquez (R)  (8-4, 3.18)

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CF George Springer (R)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
LF Evan Gattis (R)
3B Luis Valbuena (L)
DH Chris Carter (R)
1B J. Singleton (L)
RF Preston Tucker (L)
SS Marwin Gonzalez (S)
C Jason Castro (L)

HOU: Vincent Velasquez (R)  (0-0, 3.72)
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 03:49:00 pm »
Tucker in right and Gattis in left.  Springer better loosen up those legs. 

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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 06:21:52 pm »
If the Astros can somehow pull off a win tonight, both the Royals and Astros will be 13 games over .500. The Astros will be 47-34 .580 and the Royals, who will still have the better record, would be at 44-31 .586.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 06:27:24 pm »
I wonder if any team has ever lead the league in both Home Runs and Stolen Bases at the end of a year. The Astros of course currently lead in both categories. I wish I knew how to look that stuff up.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 06:45:50 pm »
I wonder if any team has ever lead the league in both Home Runs and Stolen Bases at the end of a year. The Astros of course currently lead in both categories. I wish I knew how to look that stuff up.

Jason Stark beat you to the question (and has the answers...). A weird trifecta for those one-of-a-kind Astros (05/16/15)
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 07:16:31 pm »
God I hate MLB blackout rules.   KC is 8 hours from me but I'm in their territory... so can't watch either team's feed on MLB.tv

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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 07:18:45 pm »
T1:

Two quick outs then Cain triples against the shift. Next pitch Morales homers to make it 2-0 Royals after one half.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 07:21:35 pm »
God I hate MLB blackout rules.   KC is 8 hours from me but I'm in their territory... so can't watch either team's feed on MLB.tv

You realize broadcast territories in MLB are not based on distance from the stadium, right?
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 07:26:03 pm »
You realize broadcast territories in MLB are not based on distance from the stadium, right?

We've been over it so much that I'm sure that everybody realizes it by now. It still doesn't make the territories rational, and it still doesn't mean that it's a good business decision.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 07:28:09 pm »
Jason Stark beat you to the question (and has the answers...). A weird trifecta for those one-of-a-kind Astros (05/16/15)

Neat. Thanks.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2015, 07:31:02 pm »
B2:

Springer singles off of Escobar's glove.
Altuve singles off of Escobar's glove. 
Gattis strikes out in a pitch that bounces.
Double steal as Springer takes 3B and Altuve nabs 2B
Valbuena strikes out looking
Carter flies out to deep center

Astros strand two RISP as neither the 3 or 4 hitter can make contact.

2-0 Royals.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2015, 07:32:31 pm »
We've been over it so much that I'm sure that everybody realizes it by now. It still doesn't make the territories rational, and it still doesn't mean that it's a good business decision.

1.  I fail to see how it's not rational.
2.  I doubt clubs would keep selling their broadcast rights if weren't a huge money maker.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 07:33:29 pm »
God I hate MLB blackout rules.   KC is 8 hours from me but I'm in their territory... so can't watch either team's feed on MLB.tv

I thought you lived in Iowa? I've driven from Debuque to Kansas City in 6 hours, I didn't think you could get any further away and still be in Iowa.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2015, 07:37:13 pm »
T2:

Single, wild pitch, single make it 3-0, nobody out b
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2015, 07:43:56 pm »
Anybody else find this All-Star ballot-box stuffing bush league? 

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2015, 07:44:42 pm »
Anybody else find this All-Star ballot-box stuffing bush league?

Yes.
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2015, 07:47:33 pm »
Yes.

Thank you. I was sure it was just me.

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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2015, 07:50:50 pm »
Holy shit. That strike three to Slngleton ran a foot over the plate. Unhittable.

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2015, 07:52:00 pm »
Thank you. I was sure it was just me.

This "1 man, 36 votes" is ridiculous. The Astros' pimping of Altuve is embarrassing.
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2015, 07:57:21 pm »
Nice pic by Singleton.

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2015, 07:59:04 pm »
This "1 man, 36 votes" is ridiculous. The Astros' pimping of Altuve is embarrassing.

I guess I'm not as easily embarrassed. Not that I agree with the process but I understand dealing with the nature of it.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2015, 08:02:45 pm »
I guess I'm not as easily embarrassed. Not that I agree with the process but I understand dealing with the nature of it.

The system sucks. I wish the fan vote counted like 1/3rd of the final determination along with the players/coaches and maybe even the press. I think it used to be like that.

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2015, 08:03:26 pm »
That's two 400-ft outs now.
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2015, 08:05:08 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2015, 08:05:17 pm »

That's two 400-ft outs now.

KC outfield is covering a lot of ground out there. 


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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2015, 08:05:32 pm »
That's two 400-ft outs now.

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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2015, 08:07:24 pm »
Place is a fucking bandbox.

It will be next year. Both of them would have been homers under the new configuration. I'm really not looking forward to them moving the fences in.
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2015, 08:08:18 pm »
Astros are not executing good field management with their flyballs.

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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2015, 08:08:30 pm »
My wife says that Mexican pinata companies have started making Donald Trump pinatas. I wonder if anything comes out when you crack them open.
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2015, 08:09:39 pm »
My wife says that Mexican pinata companies have started making Donald Trump pinatas. I wonder if anything comes out when you crack them open.

Hot air?
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2015, 08:10:16 pm »
Ausmus for the win.

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2015, 08:10:45 pm »
It's really too bad that we can't just simulate the Gattis and Carter at bats and forgo the experience of ever having to watch them.  That is basically how the front office determined that they are worth acquiring in the first place, so it would be apropos in a sense.


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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2015, 08:10:50 pm »
Gee, I wonder how many Jewish players from Dartmouth the Astros have had?
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2015, 08:15:23 pm »
How do you not run his ass?


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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2015, 08:23:25 pm »
Carter!  Makes sure not to leave that one on the warning track


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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2015, 08:38:22 pm »
I really hate Trump but in someways he continues to amaze me--mostly for being one of the hugest asses on the planet but also for all the shit he stirs and for some of his business ventures, so I don't hate him as much as people who I hate and don't find amazing.  I believe he is a bit delusional and a total narcissist,  however, there has probably never been a presidential candidate that wasn't, but the Donald is on a different level. He's a lunatic.
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2015, 08:39:54 pm »
All hail the King!
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2015, 08:39:55 pm »
Marwin!!

Makes it 3-2 to leadoff the 5th.
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2015, 08:40:54 pm »
I wish Zappa hadn't died. I'd love to vote for him again.
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2015, 08:42:40 pm »
Looks like the dreaded hamate


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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2015, 08:44:01 pm »
Ouch!

Springer nailed on the wrist. Stays in the game, but my guess is he'll miss time over that.

Two on, nobody out for Altuve.
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2015, 08:44:13 pm »
Really hope that he is ok


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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2015, 08:45:09 pm »
Fuck. Springer hit one inside of his right palm/wrist area. Staying in the game.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2015, 08:46:10 pm »
Really hope that he is ok


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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2015, 08:47:20 pm »
Altuve!  Finally some action with RISP.  Springer looks like he's guarding/favoring the wrist going into 3b head first


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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2015, 08:47:28 pm »
Runners on second and third no outs.  We're toast.
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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2015, 08:47:45 pm »
Altuve with a single...Castro scores to tie the game!  Springer to 3B, Altuve to 2B. Still no outs for Gattis.
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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2015, 08:48:36 pm »

Yeah, you want a nightmare?  "Now playing centerfield...Domingo Santana"

His CF futility would most certainly not be as gritty as Biggio's was. 


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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2015, 08:49:17 pm »
Gattis singles to RF, Springer scores, Altuve scores. Gattis TOOTBLANed at 2B.

But Astros take a 5-3 lead.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2015, 08:49:44 pm »
El Oso Blanco, the Lumberjack!
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2015, 08:50:46 pm »
Rasmus is back tonight. Don't know if he is ready to play yet. I would not be surprised to see Springer not go back to the field. He looked very pained sliding into third.

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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2015, 08:51:10 pm »
Volquez looks shell-shocked.
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2015, 08:51:12 pm »
Can you TOOTBLAN out of the batter's box?  If so, Valbuena may be eligible


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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2015, 08:52:44 pm »
Volquez looks shell-shocked.

If by shell shocked you mean "make the next two guys look silly", yes he does.
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2015, 08:54:36 pm »
Those two ladies were playing Words with Friends, probably against my wife.
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2015, 08:54:46 pm »
Valbuena blew that one by twirling around like a ballerina on the third strike that got away from the catcher.
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2015, 08:57:25 pm »
If by shell shocked you mean "make the next two guys look silly", yes he does.

The shell-shocked sure didn't last long.
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2015, 09:01:20 pm »
Some guys when they first become shell shocked become reckless and fearless, then they succumb. One can hope next inning he succumbs.
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2015, 09:06:32 pm »
I hate it when people bring brooms. That is just asking for BBG ire.
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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2015, 09:07:16 pm »
A Singleton Single!
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« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2015, 09:11:19 pm »
Where's Julia?
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« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2015, 09:13:41 pm »
I think the only thing worse would be to swing at one that hits you in the nuts.

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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2015, 09:14:34 pm »
Yep.  Springer out.  I expect some time on the DL.
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« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2015, 09:15:10 pm »
I think Julia is in Nashville.

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« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2015, 09:16:46 pm »
I think Julia is in Nashville.

I got hit on the hip by a pitch I swung at once, it was painful and mortifying.

I once got hit in the nuts by a pitch I didn't swing at.  Only time I ever coughed up blood.
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« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2015, 09:16:55 pm »
I don't know. I thought it caught more meat than bone.  I also doubt he would have stayed in the field with a broken wrist or hand bone.  It would have been apparent in warmups.

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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2015, 09:18:39 pm »
If Santana has to stay in the big leagues, this team is fucked.
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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2015, 09:20:44 pm »
If Santana has to stay in the big leagues, this team is fucked.

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« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2015, 09:23:46 pm »
I once got hit in the nuts by a pitch I didn't swing at.  Only time I ever coughed up blood.

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« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2015, 09:26:27 pm »
Should have pinch hit with Correa and moved Marwin to center.

Rasmus is at the yard.  Don't know if he's an option to actually play or not though.
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« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2015, 09:27:31 pm »
Oh shit...Velasquez leaving with a lead.  We all know what that means.
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« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2015, 09:28:39 pm »
Rasmus is at the yard.  Don't know if he's an option to actually play or not though.

The use of Santana here should tell you.
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« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2015, 09:29:42 pm »
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Oh shit...Velasquez leaving with a lead.  We all know what that means.

That he was laboring?
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« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2015, 09:31:23 pm »
That he was laboring?
Looked sharp on the last batter.

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« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2015, 09:32:18 pm »
The use of Santana here should tell you.

Well, it was a lefty on the mound.  No surprise they went with a right handed PHer.
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« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2015, 09:37:36 pm »
That sucks.
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« Reply #77 on: July 01, 2015, 09:37:48 pm »
Yep...right on cue...2-out, 2-run triple with Yahoo in CF and another blown save for a Velasquez start.
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« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2015, 09:38:30 pm »
Well, it was a lefty on the mound.  No surprise they went with a right handed PHer.

A single at bat versus lead protection late.  What would you have done?
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Velasquez has now tied a Major League record for no-decisions to start a career, 5.  Four of them he left with a lead the bullpen blew it. 
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« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2015, 09:39:25 pm »
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« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2015, 09:39:35 pm »
A single at bat versus lead protection late.  What would you have done?

I would have used Rasmus, if he's available.  I don't want Santana anywhere near the field, if I have another option.  But I can't speak for Hinch.
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« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2015, 09:39:38 pm »
At least Santana took a great route.
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« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2015, 09:41:05 pm »
I would have used Rasmus, if he's available.  I don't want Santana anywhere near the field, if I have another option.  But I can't speak for Hinch.

Me too.  I'd bet Rasmus isn't available.
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« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2015, 09:41:52 pm »
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« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2015, 09:42:25 pm »
Santana's play had nothing to do with two runs scoring. They would have scored with anyone out there, but others might have held him to a double.

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« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2015, 09:43:02 pm »
So why pull Velasquez?  88 pitches (he's thrown more) and not laboring.
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« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2015, 09:43:09 pm »
Now Altuve drilled on the forearm. 
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« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2015, 09:44:19 pm »
So why pull Velasquez?  88 pitches (he's thrown more) and not laboring.

Don't know.  Manager's decision.
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« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2015, 09:45:05 pm »
Okay now that is too much shit from Royals pitching.
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« Reply #90 on: July 01, 2015, 09:45:16 pm »
So why pull Velasquez?  88 pitches (he's thrown more) and not laboring.
Got me. He did walk the leadoff hitter, but came back real nice against Gordon.

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« Reply #91 on: July 01, 2015, 09:45:31 pm »
Don't know.  Manager's decision.

I'm not watching.  Wondering if the reason had been said.
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« Reply #92 on: July 01, 2015, 09:46:01 pm »
Why is getting hit by a pitch not a perfect outcome?
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« Reply #93 on: July 01, 2015, 09:46:07 pm »
Altuve steals 2B.  In scoring position with nobody out.
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« Reply #94 on: July 01, 2015, 09:46:49 pm »
I'm not watching.  Wondering if the reason had been said.

No, other than it was now four times through the order, and Fields was ready. 
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Gattis lines one off of Herrera.  Bounces to Infante for an out and saved a run for now, but Altuve to 3B with one out. 
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« Reply #96 on: July 01, 2015, 09:48:33 pm »
Is this the worst guy to have up in this situation?

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« Reply #97 on: July 01, 2015, 09:49:53 pm »
Is this the worst guy to have up in this situation?

He wanted no part of Valbuena.  The ol' unintentional intentional walk.  Double play in order.
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« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2015, 09:50:01 pm »
Is this the worst guy to have up in this situation?

Not if the ball runs into his bat.

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« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2015, 09:51:24 pm »
Carter with a chopper to 3B, Altuve beats the throw!

Astros retake the lead.
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« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2015, 09:52:06 pm »
Wow, that's bang bang.

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« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2015, 09:52:06 pm »
Challenge coming...doesn't look like enough to overturn
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« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2015, 09:54:47 pm »
You realize broadcast territories in MLB are not based on distance from the stadium, right?

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« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2015, 09:54:55 pm »
Challenge coming...doesn't look like enough to overturn

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« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2015, 09:55:34 pm »
If it takes this long, you shouldn't touch the ruling.

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« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2015, 09:55:58 pm »
Call confirmed.  Astros lead 6-5
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« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2015, 09:56:10 pm »
I can only assume Rasmus is not ready.

Brown said he spent time in the hospital today. Doesn't have his strength. Marisnick is 0-3 today with 2 Ks.

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« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2015, 09:56:21 pm »
Taking way too long.
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« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2015, 09:56:27 pm »
I thought you lived in Iowa? I've driven from Debuque to Kansas City in 6 hours, I didn't think you could get any further away and still be in Iowa.

Haven't driven it personally so it was a WAG...  Far enough away to be a pain in the rump.. I'm in Cedar Rapids.

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« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2015, 09:57:15 pm »
Haven't driven it personally so it was a WAG...  Far enough away to be a pain in the rump.. I'm in Cedar Rapids.

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« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2015, 09:59:49 pm »
Singleton strikes out
Tucker grounds into FC to end the inning

But the Astros take the lead without getting a hit. 

6-5, headed to the 8th.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2015, 10:00:32 pm »
Get DirecTV.

Wife complains about it so no deal for now..    Too expensive for her tastes I guess..

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« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2015, 10:01:47 pm »
Wife complains about it so no deal for now..    Too expensive for her tastes I guess..

What do you have?  It doesn't get FoxKC?
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« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2015, 10:04:12 pm »
Thatcher in to liven things up.
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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2015, 10:05:30 pm »
Good job Thatcher.

I had absolutely no faith after the first three balls.

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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2015, 10:05:45 pm »
Thatcher in to liven things up.

He may look ugly doing it but he gets his job done, again.

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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2015, 10:05:54 pm »
Another great route by Santana.
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Re: Royals @ Astros July 1, 2015
« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2015, 10:07:49 pm »
What do you have?  It doesn't get FoxKC?

Free cable as part of a business internet package.  For the vast majority of time MLB.tv suffices.   And I hate to say it but it's a lot better in the AL.

I had DirecTV with the Sports Pak and life was grand.  Then I got married.

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« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2015, 10:08:27 pm »
Another great route by Santana.

Yep. Hope he can find his way back to his position.

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« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2015, 10:09:57 pm »
Bullshit. Stupid ump.

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« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2015, 10:10:08 pm »
Neshek drills Morales.  Both sides warned. 
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« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2015, 10:11:07 pm »
Free cable as part of a business internet package.  For the vast majority of time MLB.tv suffices.   And I hate to say it but it's a lot better in the AL.

I had DirecTV with the Sports Pak and life was grand.  Then I got married.

Wait a second...you let your wife tell you you have to give up DirecTV?
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« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2015, 10:11:49 pm »
Now he gives out a warning?
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« Reply #123 on: July 01, 2015, 10:12:27 pm »
Bullshit. Stupid ump.

Naw. It was bullshit, but I thought the ump calmed things down, so it was effective bullshit.
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« Reply #124 on: July 01, 2015, 10:13:05 pm »
Now he gives out a warning?

If he had given it out earlier Neshek would have been run.

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« Reply #125 on: July 01, 2015, 10:14:46 pm »
Wait a second...you let your wife tell you you have to give up DirecTV?

Hell, I was a vegetarian for four years. I think back and can hardly believe it my self.
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« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2015, 10:16:14 pm »
You're a good man.
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« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2015, 10:19:56 pm »
What a nice at bat.
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« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2015, 10:21:14 pm »
Ugh.  Marisnick can't get back soon enough. 
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« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2015, 10:22:25 pm »
Ugh.  Marisnick can't get back soon enough.

Or Sptinger. Or Rasmus. 
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« Reply #130 on: July 01, 2015, 10:22:41 pm »
Hell, I was a vegetarian for four years. I think back and can hardly believe it my self.

A friend of mine's wife wanted him to go to the jewelry show with him.  He said no.  She came home with a $5,000 bracelet.  The next year, she asked again, and he again said "no, but don't buy a $5,000 bracelet this year."  She came home with a $12,000 Rolex.  The next year he went with her. 
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« Reply #131 on: July 01, 2015, 10:23:00 pm »
Ugh.  Marisnick can't get back soon enough.

Well, he's 0-4 wearing a golden sombrero tonight. But for only his D alone, yes.

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« Reply #132 on: July 01, 2015, 10:23:55 pm »
Tonight's the halfway point, isn't it?
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« Reply #133 on: July 01, 2015, 10:27:17 pm »
Tonight's the halfway point, isn't it?

Game #81.  Let's hope they play more than that before it's over.
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« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2015, 10:28:05 pm »
Gregerson in for the save try
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« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2015, 10:33:06 pm »
1-2-3 9th, and the Astros come from behind to complete the sweep!!
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« Reply #136 on: July 01, 2015, 10:33:23 pm »
SWEEP!
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« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2015, 10:33:54 pm »
WE WIN! Great win against their vaunted pen.

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« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2015, 10:35:08 pm »
Gregerson in for the save try
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« Reply #139 on: July 01, 2015, 10:38:50 pm »
Now to sweat out the Springer dinger...
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« Reply #140 on: July 01, 2015, 10:51:35 pm »
FIELDS gets the Vulture Victory from Vince Velasquez. That is a VV ^ VV.

Why did they give the win to Gregerson rather than FIELDS?
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« Reply #141 on: July 01, 2015, 10:52:53 pm »
Why did they give the win to Gregerson rather than FIELDS?

Fields should get the win.
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« Reply #142 on: July 01, 2015, 10:55:38 pm »
Fields gets the win.

It was awarded to Gregerson in the box scores I'm seeing.  Astros took the lead in the bottom of the seventh with Fields on the mound.  Thatcher and Neshek pitched the 8th (Neshek with the last two outs).  Then Gregerson in the 9th. 

Fields should have the win, Thatcher and Neshek holds and Gregerson the save.  But that's not what I'm seeing.
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« Reply #143 on: July 01, 2015, 10:56:50 pm »
It was awarded to Gregerson in the box scores I'm seeing.  Astros took the lead in the bottom of the seventh with Fields on the mound.  Thatcher and Neshek pitched the 8th (Neshek with the last two outs).  Then Gregerson in the 9th. 

Fields should have the win, Thatcher and Neshek holds and Gregerson the save.  But that's not what I'm seeing.

You are correct.  Fields was the pitcher of record when the Astros took the lead they never relinquished.
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« Reply #144 on: July 01, 2015, 10:57:17 pm »
Neshek should get the win.

I agree with that.  There's discretion involved and Neshek nailed it down. 

But it makes no sense to me that Gregerson gets the win and not a save.
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« Reply #145 on: July 01, 2015, 10:59:37 pm »
I agree with that.  There's discretion involved and Neshek nailed it down. 

But it makes no sense to me that Gregerson gets the win and not a save.

I was thinking the Astros took the lead in the 8th, but it was the 7th.  Fields is the pitcher of record.  There is no discretion.
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« Reply #146 on: July 01, 2015, 11:01:18 pm »
I agree with that.  There's discretion involved and Neshek nailed it down. 

But it makes no sense to me that Gregerson gets the win and not a save.

VV should get the victory by rule. I think the box is in error, a typo, or misprint.
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« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2015, 11:03:24 pm »
I was thinking the Astros took the lead in the 8th, but it was the 7th.  Fields is the pitcher of record.  There is no discretion.

If the reliever who should get the win based on the above rules was “ineffective in a brief appearance”, then the scorer has the right to award the win to the most effective subsequent relief pitcher.

Rule 10.17(c)
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« Reply #148 on: July 01, 2015, 11:07:49 pm »
According to the current box score Fields got a blown save, Thatcher and Neshek got holds and Gregerson got the win.  That defies logic (not the blown save part). 
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« Reply #149 on: July 01, 2015, 11:08:33 pm »
I mean FIELDS not VV.
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« Reply #150 on: July 01, 2015, 11:08:37 pm »
If the reliever who should get the win based on the above rules was “ineffective in a brief appearance”, then the scorer has the right to award the win to the most effective subsequent relief pitcher.

Rule 10.17(c)

I thought that only applies to when the starting pitcher doesn't qualify.
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« Reply #151 on: July 01, 2015, 11:09:10 pm »
VV should get the victory by rule. I think the box is in error, a typo, or misprint.

VV cannot get the win, by rule.
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« Reply #152 on: July 01, 2015, 11:10:38 pm »
I thought that only applies to when the starting pitcher doesn't qualify.

That was my understanding too.
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« Reply #153 on: July 01, 2015, 11:15:53 pm »
I thought that only applies to when the starting pitcher doesn't qualify.

The rule doesn't read that way to me.  It's all about the pitcher of record when the team takes its final lead.  There are exceptions that define how many innings it takes for a starter to qualify, but the winning pitcher is married to the unrelinquished lead.   

Here's a fun bit:

Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
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« Reply #154 on: July 01, 2015, 11:24:50 pm »
The rule doesn't read that way to me.  It's all about the pitcher of record when the team takes its final lead.  There are exceptions that define how many innings it takes for a starter to qualify, but the winning pitcher is married to the unrelinquished lead.   

That's the way I understand it too.  I thought Rule 10(b) and (c) were about how to award a win when the starter leaves with a lead, but doesn't qualify.  But 10(c) may be read to mean you can't vulture a win without pitching at least one inning. 

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« Reply #155 on: July 01, 2015, 11:29:22 pm »
That's the way I understand it too.  I thought Rule 10(b) and (c) were about how to award a win when the starter leaves with a lead, but doesn't qualify.  But 10(c) may be read to mean you can't vulture a win without pitching at least one inning.

I guess the one inning thing is what prevents Neshek from being awarded the win and Gregerson the save.  That's a new one for me as well.  Seems counter-intuitive. 
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10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
 (a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
 (1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
 (2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.

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10.17(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.

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Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher).

My reading of this and that first "OR" is that 10.17c can come into play any time not just when the starter doesn't qualify. It also looks like a scorer could ignore it.  There is a "shall not" statement but then also "generally should, but not required to" that probably gives the scorer some leeway to not make that call.
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« Reply #158 on: July 02, 2015, 02:13:34 pm »
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« Reply #159 on: July 03, 2015, 02:51:02 pm »
Based on this part of the Rule: "It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made," it looks to me that Neshek should not be disqualified due to only pitching 2/3 of an inning.

Also "If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher." Gregerson and Neshek were very similarly effective. I suppose you could argue that Thatcher deserves the W, because he began the 8th inning (after the Astros re-took the lead) and retired the first batter, whereas Neshek did hit a batter while pitching 2/3 of an inning.

There is virtually no basis for giving it to Gregerson, unless you believe retiring the 2, 3, and 5-hitters in a 1-run game in the 8th inning don't qualify as "crucial outs".
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