Author Topic: Astros @ White Sox June 8, 2015 (Read 10313 times)

Mr. Happy · « **on:** June 08, 2015, 04:14:39 pm »

Your lineups for tonight's tilt:

Astros

RFGeorge Springer (R)
LFJonathan Villar (S)
2BJose Altuve (R)
DHEvan Gattis (R)
1BChris Carter (R)
SSCarlos Correa (R)
CHank Conger (S)
3BMarwin Gonzalez (S)
CFJake Marisnick (R)

HOU: Lance McCullers (R) (2-0, 1.88)

White Sox

CF Adam Eaton (L)
SS Alexei Ramirez (R)
1B Jose Abreu (R)
DH Adam LaRoche (L)
RF Avisail Garcia (R)
LF Melky Cabrera (S)
3B Gordon Beckham (R)
C Tyler Flowers (R)
2B Carlos Sanchez (S)

CWS: Chris Sale (L) (5-2, 3.27)

jbm · « **Reply #1 on:** June 08, 2015, 04:20:05 pm »

I don't follow these details closely enough, but has there been a previous lineup with no lefties.

NeilT · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2015, 05:23:07 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 04:20:05 pm

I don't follow these details closely enough, but has there been a previous lineup with no lefties.

Conger's a switch hitter.

Reuben · « **Reply #3 on:** June 08, 2015, 05:46:51 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on June 08, 2015, 05:23:07 pm

Conger's a switch hitter.

Villar's a switch hitter.
Marwin's a switch hitter.

NeilT · « **Reply #4 on:** June 08, 2015, 05:51:40 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on June 08, 2015, 05:46:51 pm

Villar's a switch hitter.
Marwin's a switch hitter.

Are they still with the team?

juliogotay · « **Reply #5 on:** June 08, 2015, 05:58:36 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on June 08, 2015, 05:51:40 pm

Are they still with the team?

What time is it?

jbm · « **Reply #6 on:** June 08, 2015, 06:03:40 pm »

Thanks. I realized there were switch hitters in the lineup. I meant with no lefties at the plate (this is assuming no switch hitter bats leftie against Sale, which is an assumption I'll take to the bank).

Reuben · « **Reply #7 on:** June 08, 2015, 06:11:52 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 06:03:40 pm

Thanks. I realized there were switch hitters in the lineup. I meant with no lefties at the plate (this is assuming no switch hitter bats leftie against Sale, which is an assumption I'll take to the bank).

I was just messin' with Neil. Neil was probably just messin' with you.

jbm · « **Reply #8 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:09:59 pm »

What is this bullshit? Rain? Doesn't the Lord know it is Correa's first game.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #9 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:10:32 pm »

For those not a watching...pouring down rain in Chicago. Delayed, but expected to start later.

doyce7 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:11:07 pm »

Oh God why?? Rain, seriously, Damn it

Reuben · « **Reply #11 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:39:45 pm »

Hopefully that means Altuve is back. Rips a double off the LCF fence.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #12 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:47:40 pm »

McCullers with a 1-2-3 first.

0-0 after one

Correa due up second in the second.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #13 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:50:06 pm »

Carter punches out meekly to bring up Correa.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #14 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:50:49 pm »

Correa...first big league at bat....

pops up to 3B.

doyce7 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:51:10 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2015, 07:50:49 pm

Correa...first big league at bat....

pops up to 3B.

Send him down he's a bust

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:52:59 pm »

Conger a deer in the headlights taking strike 3. Gonna be an ugly one folks.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:53:59 pm »

Sale was going to make Correa work hard for his first hit. Pitch one nasty slider, pitch two, nasty change.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:54:20 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 08, 2015, 07:51:10 pm

Send him down he's a bust

He made contact and didn't look scared shitless...so he's already up on Chris Carter and Hank Conger.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:55:42 pm »

There's some of that Villar defense...fly ball bounces out of his glove, but inexplicably ruled a double.

Reuben · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:56:21 pm »

Oh my...

doyce7 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:57:12 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2015, 07:55:42 pm

There's some of that Villar defense...fly ball bounces out of his glove, but inexplicably ruled a double.

What's with these official scorers lately? Some odd decisions

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:58:40 pm »

Cabrera with a chopper back up the middle to plate a run...Sox take a 1-0 lead thanks to the iron bar in Villar's glove.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:59:23 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 08, 2015, 07:57:12 pm

What's with these official scorers lately? Some odd decisions

Some of Chicago's finest home cookin'.

chuck · « **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2015, 07:59:31 pm »

Villar is just a circus sideshow.

subnuclear · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:00:40 pm »

That was some amazing range by Marisnick.

hostros7 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:00:57 pm »

Marisnick saved us from watching villar try to handle that deep drive in the gap. Runner on 1st would have certainly scored in that event.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:02:04 pm »

Quote from: chuck on June 08, 2015, 07:59:31 pm

Villar is just a circus sideshow.

It's rare when you're the worst glove on the infield AND in the outfield.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:04:13 pm »

I'm sure Preston is happy for his brother...until he realizes that as soon as Kyle signs, he'll already have made ten times more money in his career than Preston has.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:07:15 pm »

T3:

Marwin frozen on a called third strike.
Marisnick flies to shallow RF
Springer flies out F8...gave it a ride, but to the deepest part of the yard.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #30 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:08:35 pm »

Sale is ridiculous.

jbm · « **Reply #31 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:09:37 pm »

That was a good AB by Springer. Gives me a bit of hope. For him and the team against Sale.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #32 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:11:15 pm »

Correa makes his first play defensively...routine bouncer for an easy throw to 1B

BudGirl · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:13:29 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2015, 08:04:13 pm

I'm sure Preston is happy for his brother...until he realizes that as soon as Kyle signs, he'll already have made ten times more money in his career than Preston has.

I thought that too, but then Preston is in MLB. Kyle isn't and there isn't anything guaranteed.

doyce7 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:15:16 pm »

Well this sucks

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #35 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:16:19 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on June 08, 2015, 08:13:29 pm

I thought that too, but then Preston is in MLB. Kyle isn't and there isn't anything guaranteed.

His signing bonus is guaranteed. He'll get roughly $4MM. Preston's earned his $100,000 bonus, a couple years of piddly minor league salary and his pro-rated big league minimum up til now.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:16:49 pm »

Rain back. Tarp on with 2 out in the bottom of the 3rd...Sox 1 Astros 0

chuck · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:31:04 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2015, 08:16:19 pm

His signing bonus is guaranteed. He'll get roughly $4MM. Preston's earned his $100,000 bonus, a couple years of piddly minor league salary and his pro-rated big league minimum up til now.

If Preston keeps hitting his second contract will set him up just fine.

BudGirl · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:31:24 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on June 08, 2015, 08:16:19 pm

His signing bonus is guaranteed. He'll get roughly $4MM. Preston's earned his $100,000 bonus, a couple years of piddly minor league salary and his pro-rated big league minimum up til now.

making the majors isn't guaranteed, but why i try to comment is beyond me.

jbm · « **Reply #39 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:49:16 pm »

Getting close to resuming.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:53:04 pm »

I~~'m blacked out so listening to the radio feed.~~.. glad they delayed until I could get home..

I get Hawk Harrelson on the TV...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #41 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:54:23 pm »

We're back....quick 2-3 groundout to end the third.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:58:27 pm »

Villar leads off the 4th with a single
Altuve...right on a couple pitches...singles off the SS's glove, Cabrera bobbles it, Altuve to 2B, Villar to 3B on the E7...something cooking in the 4th.

jbm · « **Reply #43 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:58:55 pm »

People give Villar a lot of shit, and deserves some of it, but that is good base running there. Sets up the inning.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #44 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:59:21 pm »

I love watching Sale pitch.

BudGirl · « **Reply #45 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:59:45 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 08:58:55 pm

People give Villar a lot of shit, and deserves some of it, but that is good base running there. Sets up the inning.

I think this is the first time I've seen this in the GZ.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #46 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:02:42 pm »

Nice battle by Gattis.

jbm · « **Reply #47 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:03:15 pm »

Fuck, come on Carter. Pick him up.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #48 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:05:25 pm »

T4:

Gattis...with two runners in scoring position, nobody out...battling, fouling off tough pitches...strikes out swinging
Carter looks silly striking out.

Will require a 2-out hit by Correa

doyce7 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:05:31 pm »

Damn sale can bring it. 99 on that last pitch

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #50 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:06:03 pm »

Gattis and Carter's inability to make contact are now officially depressing.

hostros7 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:07:31 pm »

Correa looks pretty comfy/confident in the box against a filthy lefty

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #52 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:08:04 pm »

Correa grounds to deep SS...called out....looks like we're gonna get a review...replay clear he beat the throw...

Umpire says...safe!!! First Major League hit, first Major League RBI as Villar scores to tie it up!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #53 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:08:45 pm »

He beat it.

subnuclear · « **Reply #54 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:09:03 pm »

2-out RBIs is what this team needs.

chuck · « **Reply #55 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:09:42 pm »

How does a big league umpire miss a call like that? It wasn't close.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #56 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:10:30 pm »

Quote from: chuck on June 08, 2015, 09:09:42 pm

How does a big league umpire miss a call like that? It wasn't close.

...asked St. Louis in 1985.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #57 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:10:51 pm »

Runner sat the corner, with 2 out for Conger...walks to load the bases and brings up Marwin

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #58 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:11:36 pm »

Quote from: chuck on June 08, 2015, 09:09:42 pm

How does a big league umpire miss a call like that? It wasn't close.

I was just about to make a similar comment. Awful.

subnuclear · « **Reply #59 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:11:43 pm »

Despite my whiny objections, the replay system has really improved the game.

austro · « **Reply #60 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:12:19 pm »

Quote from: chuck on June 08, 2015, 09:09:42 pm

How does a big league umpire miss a call like that? It wasn't close.

Makes his mind up before the throw. Saves time.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #61 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:12:43 pm »

Bases loaded...2 out...

Marwin grounds into FC, Conger out 6-4.

Astros leave the bases loaded, but get a run to tie it up 1-1

austro · « **Reply #62 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:13:22 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on June 08, 2015, 09:11:43 pm

Despite my whiny objections, the replay system has really improved the game.

I agree. Some of these fairly egregious mistakes are getting overturned, and they seem to be able to do it pretty quickly. Maybe they ought to give the NFL some tips.

chuck · « **Reply #63 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:14:11 pm »

Quote from: subnuclear on June 08, 2015, 09:11:43 pm

Despite my whiny objections, the replay system has really improved the game.

Plus one.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #64 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:19:55 pm »

B4:

Abreu fights one off the fists for a little girl single
LaRoche flies out to the wall in CF, Abreu tags and moves into 2B
Garcia homers to Rf...Abreu scores, Garcia scores.

3-1 Sox

juliogotay · « **Reply #65 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:21:27 pm »

ChiSox don't look like a last place team vs. Hou.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #66 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:22:29 pm »

B4:

Cabrera strikes out swinging
Beckham grounds out 6-3

After 4...Sox lead 3-1

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:23:03 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 08, 2015, 09:21:27 pm

ChiSox don't look like a last place team vs. Hou.

Because they don't swing and miss 80% of the time.

jbm · « **Reply #68 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:23:12 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 08, 2015, 09:21:27 pm

ChiSox don't look like a last place team vs. Hou.

No team looks like a last place team with Sale on the mound.

jbm · « **Reply #69 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:24:39 pm »

Rick Monday is scary looking.

juliogotay · « **Reply #70 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:25:14 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 09:23:12 pm

No team looks like a last place team with Sale on the mound.

He didn't pitch in the 3-game series in Houston when they won 2/3.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #71 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:27:46 pm »

T5:

Marisnick strikes out swinging
Springer grounds out 6-3 on a broken bat....and Springer is limping.

hostros7 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:28:57 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on June 08, 2015, 09:25:14 pm

He didn't pitch in the 3-game series in Houston when they won 2/3.

Baseball gonna baseball.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jbm · « **Reply #73 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:29:09 pm »

That's not good. Was it a quad last year for Springer?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #74 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:30:04 pm »

T5:

Villar...with 2 away...strikes out swinging...that's 1 million strikeouts, I think

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #75 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:30:50 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 09:29:09 pm

That's not good. Was it a quad last year for Springer?

Not sure what happened...he was bustin down the line...lunged for the bag. Could be a quad, a hammie, an ankle...

austro · « **Reply #76 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:30:56 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 09:29:09 pm

That's not good. Was it a quad last year for Springer?

Yes, I think it was a quad last year. But this looked like the back of the leg.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #77 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:38:25 pm »

McCullers' breaking ball is just wicked. Reminds me of Kerry Wood's.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #78 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:47:01 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on June 08, 2015, 09:38:25 pm

McCullers' breaking ball is just wicked. Reminds me of Kerry Wood's.

Let's hope he lasts longer than Mr. Wood.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #79 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:47:07 pm »

Really impressed with how he's turned the corner on his pitch count. He's finding the zone so much better than his first two starts.

hostros7 · « **Reply #80 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:48:01 pm »

Quote from: MikeyBoy on June 08, 2015, 09:38:25 pm

McCullers' breaking ball is just wicked. Reminds me of Kerry Wood's.

His cadence reminds me of Roy. The delivery seems familiar as well. The deep breath before each pitch seems to be Roy-esque, although Roy didn't bring the hands up over his head in the delivery.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

jbm · « **Reply #81 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:48:28 pm »

Yeah, he looks like a godsend, but please get him some runs, Sale or no Sale.

austro · « **Reply #82 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:49:31 pm »

Quote from: jbm on June 08, 2015, 09:48:28 pm

Yeah, he looks like a godsend, but please get him some runs, Sale or no Sale.

Hey, Carter made contact last AB. Baby steps.

doyce7 · « **Reply #83 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:51:23 pm »

Mccullers is must see tv for me. He is just filthy. We got him, correa, Tucker and Phillips in 1 draft? Unreal. That's video game stuff.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #84 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:52:46 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 08, 2015, 09:51:23 pm

Mccullers is must see tv for me. He is just filthy. We got him, correa, Tucker and Phillips in 1 draft? Unreal. That's video game stuff.

Not to mention a portion of Gattis.

hostros7 · « **Reply #85 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:55:30 pm »

Correa's approach at the plate already seems to be the best in the lineup.

/faint praise

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

BudGirl · « **Reply #86 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:55:59 pm »

McMullers (and Keuchel) deserve to get some runs scored for them.

chuck · « **Reply #87 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:56:24 pm »

McCullers is plainly a reliever.

A lot like Wallace is a shortstop.

jbm · « **Reply #88 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:58:11 pm »

Wallace was a jack of all trades, but a master of none.

chuck · « **Reply #89 on:** June 08, 2015, 09:59:44 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on June 08, 2015, 09:55:30 pm

Correa's approach at the plate already seems to be the best in the lineup.

I've noticed that he swings only at strikes. I don't know why he does that but it is an interesting approach.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #90 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:00:10 pm »

That was a nice play by Carter to effect the double play.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #91 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:09:38 pm »

T8:

Marisnick caught looking. Ugh.
Springer doubles to LF
Villar caught looking. Ugh,

Ventura out to the mound....Sale is fine

Altuve strikes out swinging.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #92 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:10:29 pm »

Chris Sale is just filthy.. and combined with Houston's propensity to swing and miss leads to a frustrating night.

BudGirl · « **Reply #93 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:11:12 pm »

Makes for a quick game with two rain delays though.

jbm · « **Reply #94 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:13:18 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on June 08, 2015, 10:11:12 pm

Makes for a quick game with two rain delays though.

Good point, I was thinking it must be past 11.

hostros7 · « **Reply #95 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:05 pm »

Oh my

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

doyce7 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:18 pm »

Wow. Correa flashing the leather

jbm · « **Reply #97 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:39 pm »

Nice gun there. Now get some runs.

hostros7 · « **Reply #98 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:41 pm »

The throw after the spin impressed the most

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #99 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:57 pm »

B8:

Sipp in for the Astros...

Flowers strikes out swinging
Sanchez strikes out
Eaton with a grounder up the middle...sparkling play by Correa to get him at 1B

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #100 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:17:58 pm »

I think he's staying at SS for awhile.

chuck · « **Reply #101 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:19:27 pm »

Wow.

BudGirl · « **Reply #102 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:20:19 pm »

Sale's finally out of the game. Now the boys can get some runs.

doyce7 · « **Reply #103 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:25:56 pm »

Tough game to make your debut in but I'm impressed

BudGirl · « **Reply #104 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:26:43 pm »

he got a hit and the only astros rbi, he had a pretty good night. better than most of the rest of the line-up.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #105 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:27:11 pm »

T9:

Closer Robertson on the mound for the Sox

Gattis swings at a pitch headed for his face and pops up to 1B
Carter HBP
Correa blown away by three fastballs
Carter takes 2B on FI
Conger...from the left side...strikes out swinging at a pitch over his head.

Astros strike out 16 times in dropping their 5th in a row.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #106 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:28:04 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on June 08, 2015, 10:25:56 pm

Tough game to make your debut in but I'm impressed

Heaven help the next pitcher.

doyce7 · « **Reply #107 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:32:45 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on June 08, 2015, 10:28:04 pm

Heaven help the next pitcher.

When he faces an average pitcher...

chuck · « **Reply #108 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:35:08 pm »

Ground Control apparently doesn't care about strikeouts but you can't give the opposing team the majority of their outs via strikeout and expect to do anything positive with any consistency. A considerable percentage of the team's lineup on any given night is boom or bust. That might make you competitive in a weak division but no more. I'll be interested to know what moves GC makes in light of all this.

Maybe that's a long-winded way of wondering how much patience they will have with Carter.

jbm · « **Reply #109 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:40:57 pm »

I'm conflicted on this. Not in the value of a high strikeout lineup. I'm no fan, even if there is power in it. What I'm conflicted about is Luhnow's thoughts on this. I don't think his draft reflects an easy tolerance of low contact bats, but his team construction sure does.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #110 on:** June 08, 2015, 10:41:32 pm »

Quote from: chuck on June 08, 2015, 10:35:08 pm

Ground Control apparently doesn't care about strikeouts but you can't give the opposing team the majority of their outs via strikeout and expect to do anything positive with any consistency. A considerable percentage of the team's lineup on any given night is boom or bust. That might make you competitive in a weak division but no more. I'll be interested to know what moves GC makes in light of all this.

Maybe that's a long-winded way of wondering how much patience they will have with Carter.

The strikeouts are starting to catch up to them. You simply cannot continue to time and time again go through the heart of your lineup with RISP and your "RBI guys" fail to put a ball in play. It is a huge, gigantic, glaring hole in their game. Not to mention that the other team can get at least two outs an inning, often three, without even having to throw a strike. The combination of pitiful plate discipline and huge holes in your bat is not a winning one.