Author Topic: rockets rockets win division (Read 18341 times)

Fredia · « **on:** April 16, 2015, 01:05:20 pm »

amazing wow. hate the sprus,
hope they win it all

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2015, 02:46:33 pm »

Yeah, I thought they were toast after losing to the Spurs twice last week, but all's well that ends well. Gotta make some hay in the playoffs though.

doyce7 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2015, 03:21:15 pm »

I think rockets take down mavs in 6 but probably go down to the spurs in 7. I always use to hate the spurs but I don't any more for 2 reasons, my wife is a lifelong spurs fan(happy wife happy life) and I love watching kawhi Leonard play basketball.

BudGirl · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2015, 03:22:20 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on April 16, 2015, 03:21:15 pm

I think rockets take down mavs in 6 but probably go down to the spurs in 7. I always use to hate the spurs but I don't any more for 2 reasons, my wife is a lifelong spurs fan(happy wife happy life) and I love watching kawhi Leonard play basketball.

it shouldn't take the rockets 6 but i hope the spurs take care of the rockets in 5

doyce7 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:34:08 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on April 16, 2015, 03:22:20 pm

it shouldn't take the rockets 6 but i hope the spurs take care of the rockets in 5

I would agree if Beverly was playing. Rockets have nobody that can really stop Monte and rockets miss way to many free throws

drew corleone · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2015, 10:25:33 pm »

Congrats.

GSG

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2015, 11:32:38 pm »

Rockets take care of business in Game 1. Nice game all the way around.

MusicMan · « **Reply #7 on:** April 19, 2015, 08:39:58 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on April 18, 2015, 11:32:38 pm

Rockets take care of business in Game 1. Nice game all the way around.

If Brewer and Terry contribute like that they're tough to beat.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2015, 11:18:00 am »

Dwight was a beast. If he played 30 minutes as opposed to 17. because of foul trouble, Rockets win by 30. He was just dominating while he was in there.

In barely 1/3rd of a game, Dwight put up 11 points, 5 rebounds, 5 blocks and a steal...I think 5 dunks too

It was amazing how much he changed the game, as soon as Joey called his 3rd ticky-tacky foul, Dwight sits and the Mavs start doing a layup drill. -

Fredia · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2015, 10:17:36 am »

spurs go down in game one

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2015, 10:57:25 pm »

Rockets get embarrassed tonight. Still lead series 3-1, headed back to Houston.

Limey · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2015, 09:24:38 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on April 26, 2015, 10:57:25 pm

Rockets get embarrassed tonight. Still lead series 3-1, headed back to Houston.

Had to happen at some point in the series; Dallas are too good to get rolled over 4-0. Everyone on the Rockets decided to have a bad night on the same night which, in many ways, is a good thing. I fully expect them to regroup and return the favor on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, I am (so far) able to watch these games without wanting to lob a grenade or two into the refs' dressing room at half time. Still, the performance of NBA referees remains a combination of gross incompetence and clear bias (the former disguising the latter in large part). Dallas turned the game by elevating their tactic of ticky-tack fouling to one of full contact fouling, and the refs failed to pull them up for it. That got the crowd up and the Dallas then exploded to a comfortable win. But the win was all earned in the second half of the second quarter, when the Rockets were on the receiving end of a ton of shit while getting pulled up for the usual ticky-tack nonsense themselves. All this while every foul called on a Maverick was met with soccer levels of bitching - how Rick Carlisle and Barea weren't ejected in the second quarter is beyond me.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2015, 10:59:31 am »

Quote from: Limey on April 27, 2015, 09:24:38 am

But the win was all earned in the second half of the second quarter, when the Rockets were on the receiving end of a ton of shit while getting pulled up for the usual ticky-tack nonsense themselves.

The Rockets earned the loss when they went the last 4 minutes of the 2Q and first 6 minutes of the 3Q without hitting a shot. You're not going to win many games shooting 0% from the field.

Fredia · « **Reply #13 on:** April 29, 2015, 09:05:00 am »

looked to me like the mavericks fell apart. rockets win. on to next round

Limey · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2015, 05:41:11 pm »

Harden passed over for MVP. Last time that happened to a worthy Rocket, he did this. Here's hoping that James took it as personally as The Dream.

Limey · « **Reply #15 on:** May 05, 2015, 08:53:35 am »

Quote from: Limey on May 04, 2015, 05:41:11 pm

Harden passed over for MVP. Last time that happened to a worthy Rocket, he did this. Here's hoping that James took it as personally as The Dream.

Well, that sucked.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:21:44 am »

Quote from: Limey on May 05, 2015, 08:53:35 am

Well, that sucked.

They were completely unprepared to play that game. Let's hope it was the layoff, because they got run out of the gym in the second half last night.

Bench · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:28:16 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 05, 2015, 09:21:44 am

They were completely unprepared to play that game. Let's hope it was the layoff, because they got run out of the gym in the second half last night.

The ever quotable Josh Smith said they had no energy and the Clippers "cut the head off the snake."

jbm · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:39:37 am »

Having no energy doesn't really explain all the meaningless turnovers, but that is an ingrained trait amplified on the big stage.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:40:24 am »

Quote from: Bench on May 05, 2015, 09:28:16 am

The ever quotable Josh Smith said they had no energy and the Clippers "cut the head off the snake."

I guess they were worn out from all that rest.

Limey · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:42:30 am »

Quote from: Bench on May 05, 2015, 09:28:16 am

The ever quotable Josh Smith said they had no energy and the Clippers "cut the head off the snake."

The Clippers seemingly couldn't miss, while the Rockets knew they had the paint to themselves so, naturally, spent most of the second half taking pot shots from either side of the 3-point line. Oh, and gifting them eleventy-one points on sloppy turnovers.

They need a caffeine enema.

JimR · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:43:47 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 05, 2015, 09:40:24 am

I guess they were worn out from all that rest.

I know you are being facetious, but sometimes it is better to keep playing rather than rest.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2015, 09:47:59 am »

Quote from: JimR on May 05, 2015, 09:43:47 am

I know you are being facetious, but sometimes it is better to keep playing rather than rest.

Oh I know. We were talking in Denial League last night how it would have been better had they last played Thursday or Friday, rather than last Tuesday. Losing focus/sharpness happens with long layoffs. But they should not have been tired.

Fredia · « **Reply #23 on:** May 08, 2015, 09:43:51 am »

game two a winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn go rockets

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2015, 11:41:10 pm »

Rockets get to within 5 late in the 3Q, but the Clipper close the quarter on an 18-0 run. Rockets looking pathetic.

Aussie Astro · « **Reply #25 on:** May 09, 2015, 06:18:28 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 08, 2015, 11:41:10 pm

Rockets get to within 5 late in the 3Q, but the Clipper close the quarter on an 18-0 run. Rockets looking pathetic.

I would have to check the scale but I think a 15 – 20 surrender is pathetic, this was more like pitiful or wretched. Damn ugly to watch too, if I want to see a game turn into a foul shooting contest, I would want to see the best, not worst foul shooters shoot it out. This fouling players off the ball is blight on the game and the NBA is allowing the game to become farcical.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #26 on:** May 10, 2015, 09:46:46 pm »

Rockets embarrassing themselves again. I've counted 11 missed layups in the 2nd 3rd quarters.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #27 on:** May 10, 2015, 10:40:18 pm »

Awful. Just awful.

Fredia · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2015, 11:24:08 am »

win win win. hope they can keep it up

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #29 on:** May 15, 2015, 12:25:46 am »

Well that'll take the wind out of a team's sails.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #30 on:** May 15, 2015, 05:23:54 am »

Dare I invoke the name?

Aussie Astro · « **Reply #31 on:** May 15, 2015, 06:05:16 am »

Just when I was coming to terms with how sucky the team is, they go and do this... the lows make the highs seem really high.

austro · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2015, 07:04:48 am »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on May 15, 2015, 05:23:54 am

Dare I invoke the name?

I think I'd wait for one more win.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #33 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:22:48 am »

Quote from: austro on May 15, 2015, 07:04:48 am

I think I'd wait for one more win.

Yes, they win Saturday, and it's apropos.

Lefty · « **Reply #34 on:** May 15, 2015, 10:25:30 am »

Game 7 Sunday, time TBA

Fredia · « **Reply #35 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:16:26 am »

wonder how expensive the tickets

cougar · « **Reply #36 on:** May 16, 2015, 01:20:25 am »

Cheapest on Stubhub are $349, with a parking pass setting you back another $100.

Fredia · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:13:18 am »

geeze louise. out of my range

NeilT · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2015, 12:18:54 pm »

Quote from: cougar on May 16, 2015, 01:20:25 am

Cheapest on Stubhub are $349, with a parking pass setting you back another $100.

It's not too hard to park downtown on a Sunday.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #39 on:** May 17, 2015, 05:20:35 pm »

Clutch City!!!

Fredia · « **Reply #40 on:** May 17, 2015, 05:22:41 pm »

i am still in shock. happy dance booty shake

NeilT · « **Reply #41 on:** May 17, 2015, 05:34:26 pm »

I have to admit, I don't follow basketball, but I'm getting kinda interested. How many more levels of playoffs are there? Is it time to bandwagon yet?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** May 17, 2015, 05:40:25 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on May 17, 2015, 05:34:26 pm

I have to admit, I don't follow basketball, but I'm getting kinda interested. How many more levels of playoffs are there? Is it time to bandwagon yet?

On to the Conference Championship. Four teams left. Hop on.

MRaup · « **Reply #43 on:** May 17, 2015, 09:45:32 pm »

That was just about the most epic collapse I've ever seen in the late 3rd. Clippers came roaring back but couldn't catch up at the end.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #44 on:** May 18, 2015, 06:46:55 am »

Quote from: MRaup on May 17, 2015, 09:45:32 pm

That was just about the most epic collapse I've ever seen in the late 3rd. Clippers came roaring back but couldn't catch up at the end.

Collapse? Roaring back? What game were you watching?

JimR · « **Reply #45 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:08:05 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 18, 2015, 06:46:55 am

Collapse? Roaring back? What game were you watching?

one with no Rockets filter on his eyes.

NeilT · « **Reply #46 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:24:07 am »

"Epic" is the part that's confusing. Game 6 was a epic collapse. 7 was a 7th inning comeback that fell short.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #47 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:27:10 am »

Quote from: JimR on May 18, 2015, 08:08:05 am

one with no Rockets filter on his eyes.

The Rockets dominated that game, leading start to finish. They never trailed the entire game. Did either of you even watch it?

Fredia · « **Reply #48 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:37:23 am »

well said.

Limey · « **Reply #49 on:** May 18, 2015, 09:06:23 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 18, 2015, 08:27:10 am

The Rockets dominated that game, leading start to finish. They never trailed the entire game. Did either of you even watch it?

Saw a graphic on the interwebs that documented the Clippers' performances in elimination games going back to 1975; it's pretty pathetic.

Regardless, that's a great effort by the Rockets. They mostly sucked for 5 1/2 games, and won the series. Hopefully they're done with the "hack" defense bollocks, and will just beat the Golden Shower playing basketball.

MRaup · « **Reply #50 on:** May 18, 2015, 07:14:39 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 18, 2015, 08:27:10 am

The Rockets dominated that game, leading start to finish. They never trailed the entire game. Did either of you even watch it?

Yeah, I guess the Clippers never cut the lead to 3 in the third, and the Rockets didn't look like they were falling apart in that same general timeframe only to come roaring back. I must've just imagined that.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2015, 08:29:06 pm »

Quote from: MRaup on May 18, 2015, 07:14:39 pm

Yeah, I guess the Clippers never cut the lead to 3 in the third, and the Rockets didn't look like they were falling apart in that same general timeframe only to come roaring back. I must've just imagined that.

I think you imagined that cutting a lead to three in the third could be described as an "epic collapse".

JimR · « **Reply #52 on:** May 19, 2015, 11:02:50 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 18, 2015, 08:27:10 am

The Rockets dominated that game, leading start to finish. They never trailed the entire game. Did either of you even watch it?

I did not watch a bounce, but I know that Mark is a knowledgeable sports fan whose opinion is not frivolous.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #53 on:** May 19, 2015, 11:27:55 am »

Quote from: JimR on May 19, 2015, 11:02:50 am

I did not watch a bounce, but I know that Mark is a knowledgeable sports fan whose opinion is not frivolous.

I agree. Which is why I'm puzzled by his comment. The Rockets never trailed in the game. The closet the Clippers got was when the score was like 9-7 in the first few minutes. The Rockets led by 10 at the half. Led by 17 at the end of the 3rd. Won the game by 13. The Rockets fended off every single Clippers run. I'm not sure how you can say anybody collapsed in any way. The Clippers were simply soundly beaten start to finish. Unless you have your anti-Rockets filter on. Which perhaps Mark does...I'm not sure where his NBA fandom lies (Spurs maybe?).

JimR · « **Reply #54 on:** May 19, 2015, 12:43:46 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 19, 2015, 11:27:55 am

I agree. Which is why I'm puzzled by his comment. The Rockets never trailed in the game. The closet the Clippers got was when the score was like 9-7 in the first few minutes. The Rockets led by 10 at the half. Led by 17 at the end of the 3rd. Won the game by 13. The Rockets fended off every single Clippers run. I'm not sure how you can say anybody collapsed in any way. The Clippers were simply soundly beaten start to finish. Unless you have your anti-Rockets filter on. Which perhaps Mark does...I'm not sure where his NBA fandom lies (Spurs maybe?).

I do not know, but I think he just watches games in the NBA. I think he is a hockey fan, not an NBA fan.

MRaup · « **Reply #55 on:** May 19, 2015, 10:27:51 pm »

Quote from: JimR on May 19, 2015, 12:43:46 pm

I do not know, but I think he just watches games in the NBA. I think he is a hockey fan, not an NBA fan.

I'm not an NBA fan, but I root for the Spurs and Rockets (fuck the Mavs) when I do watch basketball. I was quite nervous when the Clippers cut the lead to 3, because the Rockets looked like they were on the ropes for about 5 minutes. They came roaring back thanks to some really awful basketball by the Clippers, hence the epic collapse comment. It looked like they finally had their feet under them, then the squatted down and took a big ol' Cleveland Steamer on the court.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #56 on:** May 19, 2015, 10:43:45 pm »

Rockets play hard in Game 1, but take it in the shorts 110-106.

Limey · « **Reply #57 on:** May 20, 2015, 09:19:25 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 19, 2015, 10:43:45 pm

Rockets play hard in Game 1, but take it in the shorts 110-106.

That was a cracking game. I just hope that wasn't their chance of nicking one on the road. The Warriors are really good (du'uh), and so hanging tough with Howard dinged up was a creditable performance.

Hopefully the fuckwits in Oakland keep taunting Harden.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** May 20, 2015, 09:27:07 am »

Quote from: Limey on May 20, 2015, 09:19:25 am

That was a cracking game. I just hope that wasn't their chance of nicking one on the road. The Warriors are really good (du'uh), and so hanging tough with Howard dinged up was a creditable performance.

Hopefully the fuckwits in Oakland keep taunting Harden.

If they play like that every game, they have a shot, albeit a slim one. The Warriors are hands down the best team in the league. Still, nice to see them working hard all game. Anything can happen!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #59 on:** May 21, 2015, 09:13:48 pm »

Game 2:

Some back and forth, but at the half we're back where we started. Tied at 55.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #60 on:** May 21, 2015, 10:42:42 pm »

Well shit. Rockets go down 99-98. They had the ball with 8 seconds left and couldn't get a shot off.

This game was critical. I can't see them beating the Warriors 4 out of 5.

Lefty · « **Reply #61 on:** May 21, 2015, 10:51:03 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 21, 2015, 10:42:42 pm

Well shit. Rockets go down 99-98. They had the ball with 8 seconds left and couldn't get a shot off.

This game was critical. I can't see them beating the Warriors 4 out of 5.

Everyone said the same after 4 games with the Clippers. Win the next 2 at home and it's a whole new series. So close both games.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #62 on:** May 21, 2015, 11:00:56 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on May 21, 2015, 10:51:03 pm

Everyone said the same after 4 games with the Clippers. Win the next 2 at home and it's a whole new series. So close both games.

Nobody said that after game 4 with the Clippers.

But yeah, obviously they have to win at home.

Lefty · « **Reply #63 on:** May 21, 2015, 11:06:53 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 21, 2015, 11:00:56 pm

Nobody said that after game 4 with the Clippers.

Fair enough.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #64 on:** May 23, 2015, 10:05:56 pm »

Rockets embarrassing themselves. Apparently, the Warriors have this kid named Curry that came out of nowhere to shoot the lights out. If only the Rockets had thought to guard him...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #65 on:** May 23, 2015, 10:36:10 pm »

That was the most uninspiring, unenthusiastic game I've ever seen the Rockets play. They've played harder in games they tanked.

chuck · « **Reply #66 on:** May 23, 2015, 10:47:05 pm »

I have a hard time understanding why people watch the NBA.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #67 on:** May 23, 2015, 10:48:34 pm »

Quote from: chuck on May 23, 2015, 10:47:05 pm

I have a hard time understanding why people watch the NBA.

Mainly because they like basketball.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #68 on:** May 24, 2015, 07:22:38 am »

Quote from: chuck on May 23, 2015, 10:47:05 pm

I have a hard time understanding why people watch the NBA.

I would watch it if it were on broadcast television but I don't get to watch crap on ESPN or TNT/TBS because I don't have pay TV. I would love to watch Steph Curry, from the little I've seen, he is Pistol Pete and Earl Monroe rolled into one.

Aussie Astro · « **Reply #69 on:** May 24, 2015, 07:35:54 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 23, 2015, 10:48:34 pm

Mainly because they like basketball.

I really love basketball, perhaps even more than baseball. BUT, the NBA can be pretty hard to watch sometimes, it is far too player oriented rather than basketball oriented. If anyone has doubts about that, just listen to some the shit that dribbles out of the commentators mouths sometimes (JVG for example). It drives me crazy that the league has the worlds best players, game format etc etc but anyone who has watched how the game has changed, particularly few decades could go on a 3 page rant about everything wrong with the NBA. But, I don't see the situation changing, not for better anyway. I just enjoy it when the Rockets win and hope one day that I can find one of those men in black mind erasers so I can eliminate the travel rule from my memory and be able to enjoy the game a little more.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #70 on:** May 24, 2015, 08:43:19 am »

Quote from: Aussie Astro on May 24, 2015, 07:35:54 am

I really love basketball, perhaps even more than baseball. BUT, the NBA can be pretty hard to watch sometimes, it is far too player oriented rather than basketball oriented. If anyone has doubts about that, just listen to some the shit that dribbles out of the commentators mouths sometimes (JVG for example). It drives me crazy that the league has the worlds best players, game format etc etc but anyone who has watched how the game has changed, particularly few decades could go on a 3 page rant about everything wrong with the NBA. But, I don't see the situation changing, not for better anyway. I just enjoy it when the Rockets win and hope one day that I can find one of those men in black mind erasers so I can eliminate the travel rule from my memory and be able to enjoy the game a little more.

I don't disagree with a lot of that. There are parts of the NBA that are brutal, such as the lack of ability of half the team to shoot free throws, leading to the Hack-a-Whomever strategy. And I swear I think Jeff Van Gundy splooges in his pants every time he thinks about James Harden. The problem with commentators is that they have idiots like Shaq and Barkley on there because they're household names, even though they're complete clowns. We need more Jalen Rose and Kenny Smith.

And the game has definitely changed in the last few decades. With defensive rule changes, it definitely means more individual play and less defense, but it also means more of a shooter's game, and it rewards guys like Curry, which I think is good for the game. Today's NBA is much closer to the game in the 60s and 70s than it was in the 90s/00s (aside from the inability to shoot free throws).

JimR · « **Reply #71 on:** May 24, 2015, 09:01:06 am »

I do not watch the NBA because I like basketball.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #72 on:** May 24, 2015, 10:21:05 am »

Quote from: JimR on May 24, 2015, 09:01:06 am

I do not watch the NBA because I like basketball.

Ah...same reason I cannot stomach college "basketball".

Lefty · « **Reply #73 on:** May 24, 2015, 02:12:46 pm »

Quote from: chuck on May 23, 2015, 10:47:05 pm

I have a hard time understanding why people watch the NBA.

I have a hard time understanding why you watch the NBA, NFL or MLB. Sports seem to be a constant bitchfest unless it's random Central American D-league soccer.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #74 on:** May 25, 2015, 10:50:49 pm »

Rockets man up and lead start to finish in Game 4 128-115. Still a long uphill climb, but they're still playing. Nice job tonight.

MusicMan · « **Reply #75 on:** May 26, 2015, 08:36:52 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 25, 2015, 10:50:49 pm

Rockets man up and lead start to finish in Game 4 128-115. Still a long uphill climb, but they're still playing. Nice job tonight.

Unfortunately Howard shoved his cranium way inside his rectum and will likely be suspended for Game 5.

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jbm · « **Reply #76 on:** May 26, 2015, 10:44:12 am »

He is a dumbass, but I doubt he loses a game.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #77 on:** May 26, 2015, 10:56:31 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 26, 2015, 08:36:52 am

Unfortunately Howard shoved his cranium way inside his rectum and will likely be suspended for Game 5.

That was just NBA pushing and shoving by big men. He caught Bogut with the forearm, after Bogut shoved him in the face. He got the Flagrant 1 and a technical. That should be it. It wasn't nearly as egregious as Horford's bionic elbow, which got him a Flagrant 2 and ejection, and NBA didn't see fit to suspend Horford. Unless the NBA wants no pretense of being on the level, I can't imagine Howard will get suspended for his lesser offense.

MusicMan · « **Reply #78 on:** May 26, 2015, 10:59:35 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 26, 2015, 10:56:31 am

That was just NBA pushing and shoving by big men. He caught Bogut with the forearm, after Bogut shoved him in the face. He got the Flagrant 1 and a technical. That should be it. It wasn't nearly as egregious as Horford's bionic elbow, which got him a Flagrant 2 and ejection, and NBA didn't see fit to suspend Horford. Unless the NBA wants no pretense of being on the level, I can't imagine Howard will get suspended for his lesser offense.

The issue is that if he gets upgraded to a flagrant 2, which it objectively should be, as egregious contact above the shoulders, then he is automatically suspended because of his accumulated flagrant fouls.

It was hardly pushing and shoving. He clearly threw the elbow.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #79 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:06:00 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 26, 2015, 10:59:35 am

The issue is that if he gets upgraded to a flagrant 2, which it objectively should be, as egregious contact above the shoulders, then he is automatically suspended because of his accumulated flagrant fouls.

It was hardly pushing and shoving. He clearly threw the elbow.

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Oh good grief. It was simple physical play. Bogut started it by shoving and holding and Howard reacted with a forearm trying to push Bogut off of him. Why not suspend him for 100 games and fine him $30MM and make the Rockets forfeit 20 games and lose 10 first round draft picks? It was common physicality, he got the technical and that should be that. It's not the end of the world. If the NBA suspends him, there is simply no way they can claim they are objective and it's a legitimate sporting league.

Fredia · « **Reply #80 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:15:56 am »

saw where they had to shelter in place becasuse of the weather at least they did it with a victory

MusicMan · « **Reply #81 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:20:15 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 26, 2015, 11:06:00 am

Oh good grief. It was simple physical play. Bogut started it by shoving and holding and Howard reacted with a forearm trying to push Bogut off of him. Why not suspend him for 100 games and fine him $30MM and make the Rockets forfeit 20 games and lose 10 first round draft picks? It was common physicality, he got the technical and that should be that. It's not the end of the world. If the NBA suspends him, there is simply no way they can claim they are objective and it's a legitimate sporting league.

I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you how they work. I'm under no illusions that the NBA is objective.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #82 on:** May 26, 2015, 11:26:18 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 26, 2015, 11:20:15 am

I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you how they work. I'm under no illusions that the NBA is objective.

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Well, you're suggesting that the NBA should go out of their way in this particular instance and interpret the rules to the ridiculously extreme. What Howard did happens dozens of times in every NBA game. He got caught on the retaliation, as that's how it often works. He got called for it, and was punished appropriately. No need to turn it into Deflategate.

Nate Colbert · « **Reply #83 on:** May 26, 2015, 06:28:53 pm »

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Mark Berman ‏@MarkBermanFox26 27 seconds ago
NBA confirms Dwight Howard's foul last night in the 3rd quarter stays as a flagrant foul one. No suspension.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #84 on:** May 27, 2015, 10:27:24 pm »

Rockets mailing in Game 5. Dwight Howard is the only one who's even remotely interested in playing. Harden is killing them. Gotta get him out if the game.

doyce7 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 27, 2015, 10:54:47 pm »

Embarrassing way to go out. I don't know if I've ever seen a player suck as much as harden did tonight

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #86 on:** May 28, 2015, 06:57:30 am »

In the cold light of day...

Tremendous season for the Rockets, one of their best ever. Third best record in the NBA, second in the Western Conference, winning their division, getting to the Conference Finals...all without three starters for much of the season, and without two of them for the entire playoffs. Getting Trevor Ariza, Corey Brewer and Josh Smith proved to be excellent moves by the front office, and Harden had one hell of a season, despite saving his worst game for last night.

They ran up against a Warriors team that had been tops in the league all season. That's how it goes sometimes. Proud to be a Rockets fan right now.

jbm · « **Reply #87 on:** May 28, 2015, 07:46:59 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on May 27, 2015, 10:54:47 pm

Embarrassing way to go out. I don't know if I've ever seen a player suck as much as harden did tonight

He has been better this year in the playoffs (after shrinking completely against Portland last year), but when it comes down to critical times, I'm afraid that is ultimately what he is and what Rockets fans are stuck with. I'll be surprised if any Harden-led team ever wins a championship.

MusicMan · « **Reply #88 on:** May 28, 2015, 10:37:28 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 28, 2015, 07:46:59 am

He has been better this year in the playoffs (after shrinking completely against Portland last year), but when it comes down to critical times, I'm afraid that is ultimately what he is and what Rockets fans are stuck with. I'll be surprised if any Harden-led team ever wins a championship.

WFW. They said that about Hakeem for years.

jbm · « **Reply #89 on:** May 28, 2015, 10:47:49 am »

I don't know who "they" are, but that thought never crossed my mind with Akeem. Harden is on the same page talent wise with Akeem, but no one ever characterizes Harden as a warrior. That was common with Akeem.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #90 on:** May 28, 2015, 10:49:40 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 28, 2015, 10:37:28 am

WFW. They said that about Hakeem for years.

And Michael Jordan. And Kobe Bryant. And Lebron James...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #91 on:** May 28, 2015, 10:51:59 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 28, 2015, 10:47:49 am

I don't know who "they" are, but that thought never crossed my mind with Akeem. Harden is on the same page talent wise with Akeem, but no one ever characterizes Harden as a warrior. That was common with Akeem.

But it was constantly said "they'll never win with him...he's too inconsistent...too undisciplined...a malcontent...he is what he is..."

subnuclear · « **Reply #92 on:** May 28, 2015, 11:11:51 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 28, 2015, 10:37:28 am

WFW. They said that about Hakeem for years.

I don't remember that as much as "he would have had a ring by now if the rest of his team didn't suck (and the Celtics)."

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #93 on:** May 28, 2015, 11:37:39 am »

Quote from: subnuclear on May 28, 2015, 11:11:51 am

I don't remember that as much as "he would have had a ring by now if the rest of his team didn't suck (and the Celtics)."

Hakeem was heavily criticized his firs few years. People said he was selfish and a hothead on the court. He was said to be a money grubber, more concerned with his salary than winning. He was accused of faking injuries. He got beat up pretty bad his first 5 or 6 six years in the league, and it was assumed many times that the Rockets had had enough of him and he was going to be traded.

As for standing in his way of titles...the best story out there is the rumor that prior to the '84 draft, the Blazers wanted a big man so badly, they offered Clyde Drexler and the #2 pick for Ralph Sampson. That would have given the Rockets the #1 and #2 picks of the draft, so they could have had Hakeem *and* Michael Jordan to go along with Drexler. Talk about your title hopes. So if you believe that, you could argue the only thing keeping the Rockets from reeling off 15 championships in a row was the Rockets themselves.

Limey · « **Reply #94 on:** May 29, 2015, 09:15:50 am »

As much as Harden shit the bed in Game 5, the person I was most disappointed in was Howard. He doesn't seem to be able to translate his clear physical size and strength into any sort of presence under the basket. Shot-blocking, yes; but he gets boxed out to easily on rebounds and misses too many flipped shots when he should be slamming it down and drawing a foul.

If Howard was stronger in the paint, it would take the pressure off the rest of the team offensively and defensively. Maybe the knock he picked up was hurting him, but he was anything but dominant.

jbm · « **Reply #95 on:** May 29, 2015, 09:24:37 am »

Howard doesn't bother me much, except for his stupidity. The reason he doesn't bother me much is because he is not that skilled, so I don't expect much. His athleticism and desire makes him a good defender, while his lack of skill limits his offense to baby hooks, alley oops and put backs. Hardin, on the other hand, is extremely talented. Talented enough to be the most dominant player in the league, but he is no where close to that.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #96 on:** May 29, 2015, 09:53:57 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 09:24:37 am

Howard doesn't bother me much, except for his stupidity. The reason he doesn't bother me much is because he is not that skilled, so I don't expect much. His athleticism and desire makes him a good defender, while his lack of skill limits his offense to baby hooks, alley oops and put backs. Hardin, on the other hand, is extremely talented. Talented enough to be the most dominant player in the league, but he is no where close to that.

Oh good grief. Harden is not Michael Jordan. He's a very talented player, and he had a tremendous season. Don't make him out to be something he's not.

jbm · « **Reply #97 on:** May 29, 2015, 10:53:41 am »

Jordan is still in the league?

Bench · « **Reply #98 on:** May 29, 2015, 10:54:16 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 10:53:41 am

Jordan is still in the league?

He owns the Hornets.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #99 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:06:50 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 10:53:41 am

Jordan is still in the league?

He's not Lebron James, if your knowledge of basketball started in 2008.

jbm · « **Reply #100 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:19:08 am »

When he wants, he has as much, or more ability to be the centerpiece of an offense as Lebron. Harden is a top of the league offensive talent. One difference between Lebron and Harden is that Lebron wants the ball when it matters. If his team is subject to a run, he isn't passing it off outside the arc with 14 seconds on the clock. "Here Josh, stop the run."

MusicMan · « **Reply #101 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:20:01 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 28, 2015, 11:37:39 am

As for standing in his way of titles...the best story out there is the rumor that prior to the '84 draft, the Blazers wanted a big man so badly, they offered Clyde Drexler and the #2 pick for Ralph Sampson. That would have given the Rockets the #1 and #2 picks of the draft, so they could have had Hakeem *and* Michael Jordan to go along with Drexler. Talk about your title hopes. So if you believe that, you could argue the only thing keeping the Rockets from reeling off 15 championships in a row was the Rockets themselves.

Bill Simmons ranked this as his #1 all-time "what-if?" in his Book of Basketball, and also included at #8 "What if the '86 Rockets never fell apart?"

MusicMan · « **Reply #102 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:21:01 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 11:19:08 am

When he wants, he has as much, or more ability to be the centerpiece of an offense as Lebron.

Stop. Just stop. If you think that LeBron James and James Harden have equal basketball talent, you have no clue how to discuss the sport of basketball.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #103 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:24:06 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 11:19:08 am

When he wants, he has as much, or more ability to be the centerpiece of an offense as Lebron. Harden is a top of the league offensive talent. One difference between Lebron and Harden is that Lebron wants the ball when it matters. If his team is subject to a run, he isn't passing it off outside the arc with 14 seconds on the clock. "Here Josh, stop the run."

To suggest that James Harden has more talent and can be more dominating than Lebron James is simply nuts. It's beyond nuts.

jbm · « **Reply #104 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:28:44 am »

Open your eyes during the championship series. See how often Lebron is given the ball early in the possession and the entire offense is generated by or through him, and the success of those possessions. There won't be extended periods like in game 1 and 2 where Harden fucking owned the game, where everything was either done by him, or run through him. Harden is a fucking exceptional offensive talent (I never said basketball talent). Damn near peerless when he wants. You are the one who doesn't know shit if you don't recognize that.

MusicMan · « **Reply #105 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:31:56 am »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 11:28:44 am

Harden is a fucking exceptional offensive talent (I never said basketball talent). Damn near peerless when he wants. You are the one who doesn't know shit if you don't recognize that.

The list of players with comparable offensive talent to LeBron James is this: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. That's it.

Mark Arm · « **Reply #106 on:** May 29, 2015, 04:58:19 pm »

Quote from: jbm on May 29, 2015, 11:28:44 am

Open your eyes during the championship series. See how often Lebron is given the ball early in the possession and the entire offense is generated by or through him, and the success of those possessions. There won't be extended periods like in game 1 and 2 where Harden fucking owned the game, where everything was either done by him, or run through him. Harden is a fucking exceptional offensive talent (I never said basketball talent). Damn near peerless when he wants. You are the one who doesn't know shit if you don't recognize that.

you seem dumb

Lefty · « **Reply #107 on:** May 29, 2015, 11:21:00 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 29, 2015, 11:31:56 am

The list of players with comparable offensive talent to LeBron James is this: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. That's it.

Oscar Robertson.

Does everybody remember when Charlie Thomas and Steve Patterson accused Hakeem of faking a hamstring injury and talked about trading him?

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #108 on:** May 30, 2015, 07:32:54 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on May 29, 2015, 11:31:56 am

The list of players with comparable offensive talent to LeBron James is this: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. That's it.

Somebody call the Doctor and get some Ice for this man.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #109 on:** May 30, 2015, 07:40:39 am »

To me Harden is more like Clyde Drexler. Maybe more consistent offensively but a lesser defender.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #110 on:** May 30, 2015, 09:14:13 am »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on May 30, 2015, 07:32:54 am

Somebody call the Doctor and get some Ice for this man.

I thought about Erving when I read that quote too, and as good as he was, I'm not sure he's up there with Lebron and Michael. I'm not sure Johnson is either, for that matter, though Johnson may be the best all-around basketball player of all time. And if you're talking scoring, it's hard to ignore someone like Chamberlain, and certainly if you're discussing "dominant". They changed rules of the game because of him.

NeilT · « **Reply #111 on:** May 30, 2015, 09:18:37 am »

Quote from: Mark Arm on May 29, 2015, 04:58:19 pm

you seem dumb

This was Clark.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #112 on:** May 30, 2015, 09:45:02 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on May 30, 2015, 09:14:13 am

I thought about Erving when I read that quote too, and as good as he was, I'm not sure he's up there with Lebron and Michael. I'm not sure Johnson is either, for that matter, though Johnson may be the best all-around basketball player of all time. And if you're talking scoring, it's hard to ignore someone like Chamberlain, and certainly if you're discussing "dominant". They changed rules of the game because of him.

I think LeBron James is a top five great all-around player but I think he takes a backseat to a number of players in terms of scoring. I'm glad you mentioned Chamberlain, I seem to remember that he led the league in assists one year too. George Gervin was pretty much unstoppable and seemed to score at will. I actually think Johnson and James compare favorably in their all around game and ability to play anywhere on the court. At any one aspect there are a number of guys who were better than James or Johnson, there isn't any who match them at all aspects combined.

Also since you can only play one position at a time Jordan is still the greater talent. No one played his position better. One can argue the greatest of all time at every position but shooting guard.

MusicMan · « **Reply #113 on:** May 30, 2015, 11:05:33 am »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on May 30, 2015, 07:32:54 am

Somebody call the Doctor and get some Ice for this man.

Neither were in LeBron's league as a passer.

chuck · « **Reply #114 on:** May 30, 2015, 12:17:02 pm »

The only player ever to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same year is someone you fellows have curiously overlooked in your GOAT argument. Tiny Archibald FTW!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #115 on:** May 30, 2015, 12:40:51 pm »

Quote from: chuck on May 30, 2015, 12:17:02 pm

The only player ever to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same year is someone you fellows have curiously overlooked in your GOAT argument. Tiny Archibald FTW!

Not really a GOAT argument, more of a debunking that James Harden woulda/coulda/shoulda be the most dominant player in the league.

The aforementioned Big O would have done it, but the rules for determining league leaders was different then.

MusicMan · « **Reply #116 on:** June 07, 2015, 10:19:33 pm »

The NBA apparently passed a rule that you can climb LeBron at will.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #117 on:** June 08, 2015, 06:49:22 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on June 07, 2015, 10:19:33 pm

The NBA apparently passed a rule that you can climb LeBron at will.

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And that LeBron can take as many steps without dribbling as he wants...and change his pivot foot as many times as he wants...

jbm · « **Reply #118 on:** June 08, 2015, 08:17:46 am »

Lebron aside, watching what I've seen of this series highlights just how far the Rockets have to go defensively. GS is working their asses off just to find a sliver of open space for Curry on the perimeter, and Thompson has worked real hard for his points also.