Kareem Jackson

[austro]

The Texans just signed him for four more years and $32mm, with $20mm guaranteed? Why would you do that? I mean, he was a little better last year, but that's a pretty low bar. I don't get it.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Yeah, it's really kind of weird how one can be below average in their field of endeavor and still rake in that kind of jack.

[Uncle Charlie]

Can't imagine that JJo is back with that signing....

[HudsonHawk]

Can't imagine that JJo is back with that signing....

They still need two CBs. Joseph is still light years better than Jackson or anyone else they have. They've said all that money on Andre and Chris Myers. Why would release Joseph?

[HudsonHawk]

The talking heads on 610 were in full-on swoon this mornin over the Jackson re-signing.  Several hillarious points they were trying to make:

1.  Kareem Jackson is a success story for Rick Smith.  Why?  Because he's a first round pick that eventually signed for top of the market money. 
2.  It's not fair to criticize a draft pick unless someone they passed over went on to better things.  These clowns couldn't think of any, specifically when looking at cornerback picks for the Texans in the last 5 years.  They're either blindly ignorant or willfully deceitful.  No mention of them drafting CBs Brandon Harris and Roc Carmichael (not to mention a third DB in Shiloh Keo) ahead of Richard Sherman. 

So in short, Smith passed on a Ferrari in favor of a Pacer and a Gremlin, forcing them to now pay Mercedes-Benz sticker price for a Toyota Corolla.  And that's a feather in his cap?

[MusicMan]

The talking heads on 610 were in full-on swoon this mornin over the Jackson re-signing.

In related news, Pravda is in full-on swoon over Putin.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

The talking heads on 610 were in full-on swoon this mornin over the Jackson re-signing.  Several hillarious points they were trying to make:

1.  Kareem Jackson is a success story for Rick Smith.  Why?  Because he's a first round pick that eventually signed for top of the market money. 
2.  It's not fair to criticize a draft pick unless someone they passed over went on to better things.  These clowns couldn't think of any, specifically when looking at cornerback picks for the Texans in the last 5 years.  They're either blindly ignorant or willfully deceitful.  No mention of them drafting CBs Brandon Harris and Roc Carmichael (not to mention a third DB in Shiloh Keo) ahead of Richard Sherman. 

So in short, Smith passed on a Ferrari in favor of a Pacer and a Gremlin, forcing them to now pay Mercedes-Benz sticker price for a Toyota Corolla.  And that's a feather in his cap?

I liked Pacers and Gremlins but the Javalin and Marlin were the best.

[chuck]

KJ was a must-sign. He won't make anyone forget about Revis but as long as he's not in the slot he is very good or better.

[HudsonHawk]

KJ was a must-sign. He won't make anyone forget about Revis but as long as he's not in the slot he is very good or better.

Jackson is a must sign in the sense that they have to have two CBs.  He raised his game to "only below average" last year.  In no proper universe are the words "Kareem Jackson" and "very good" used in the same sentence. 

[chuck]

Jackson is a must sign in the sense that they have to have two CBs.  He raised his game to "only below average" last year.  In no proper universe are the words "Kareem Jackson" and "very good" used in the same sentence. 

You're of course free to believe whatever you like but football experts and people who grade this kind of thing for a living think very differently. The numbers show he was poor in the slot and very good to excellent outside. This is last year, mind you, not the first couple of years when he did indeed suck.

It's the same deal with Newton. He graded out as the team's best lineman last year but lots of fans want to continue to punish him for the shit year he had in 2013.

[Mr. Happy]

You're of course free to believe whatever you like but football experts and people who grade this kind of thing for a living think very differently. The numbers show he was poor in the slot and very good to excellent outside. This is last year, mind you, not the first couple of years when he did indeed suck.

It's the same deal with Newton. He graded out as the team's best lineman last year but lots of fans want to continue to punish him for the shit year he had in 2013.

This ought to be pretty entertaining. Come visit over in the GZ.

[HudsonHawk]

You're of course free to believe whatever you like but football experts and people who grade this kind of thing for a living think very differently. The numbers show he was poor in the slot and very good to excellent outside. This is last year, mind you, not the first couple of years when he did indeed suck.

It's the same deal with Newton. He graded out as the team's best lineman last year but lots of fans want to continue to punish him for the shit year he had in 2013.

They also graded Brandon Harris above Richard Sherman.  I agree that Jackson upped his game from horrible last season.  I would in no way shape or form say he is "very good". 

[chuck]

They also graded Brandon Harris above Richard Sherman.  I agree that Jackson upped his game from horrible last season.  I would in no way shape or form say he is "very good". 

I'm not talking about the Texans and their internal grading system. I have no idea what they do. I am telling you that independent grading services, the same ones that say that JJ has more impact per play than any other defensive player, they say that Kareem was excellent last year when he wasn't in the slot.

I am well aware of how the 2011 draft went down. I'm pretty sure I was the first person around here to comment on it with respect to the Texans and DBs.

[HudsonHawk]

I'm not talking about the Texans and their internal grading system. I have no idea what they do. I am telling you that independent grading services, the same ones that say that JJ has more impact per play than any other defensive player, they say that Kareem was excellent last year when he wasn't in the slot.

I am well aware of how the 2011 draft went down. I'm pretty sure I was the first person around here to comment on it with respect to the Texans and DBs.

And I'm telling you that anyone who says Kareem Jackson is a very good cornerback in the NFL has lost his mind.  And the Texans weren't the only team to pass on Sherman.  It's just particular interest in this discussion because a) the Texans are the team I care about, and b) he was a direct rebuttal to the statement made this morning that one couldn't think of an example of passing over a player who performed better than the one they drafted, which I found especially hillarious as the comment was made in a discussion about the Texans recent drafting of CBs.

[geezerdonk]

I liked Pacers and Gremlins but the Javalin and Marlin were the best.

Never beat a Yugo.

[Uncle Charlie]

They still need two CBs. Joseph is still light years better than Jackson or anyone else they have. They've said all that money on Andre and Chris Myers. Why would release Joseph?

Yes, they've saved money here and there and spent other places.  JJ Watt's cap hit is huge this year and they're now signing two FA QBs.  It's all a money game, as you know.  I just think at the end of the day they'll not be able to pay for both KJ and JJo.  They currently have $7.5 MM left to spend (excluding the net effect of signing Mallet & Hoyer and releasing Fitz).  They still need a WR to replace AJ, a DT/NT guy just in case Nix doesn't come through....not to mention LB depth.

By the way, here's a good write up on KJ: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/06/free-agent-profile-kareem-jackson/

[HudsonHawk]

By the way, here's a good write up on KJ: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/06/free-agent-profile-kareem-jackson/

I've watched every snap he's ever taken in his career.  But thanks anyway. 

[chuck]

I've watched every snap he's ever taken in his career.  But thanks anyway. 

I count myself fortunate to know a fellow who is a mere fan and, by his own admission a season ticket holder solely at his wife's behest, yet who not only knows more about player evaluation than professionals in the field who dedicate themselves to the pursuit on a full time basis but also more than the NFL team who just signed the player in question to a generous contract and, to cap it all off, obviously much more than the several other teams who offered said player even more money than the Texans.

In fact, I take my hat off to him.

[HudsonHawk]

I count myself fortunate to know a fellow who is a mere fan and, by his own admission a season ticket holder solely at his wife's behest, yet who not only knows more about player evaluation than professionals in the field who dedicate themselves to the pursuit on a full time basis but also more than the NFL team who just signed the player in question to a generous contract and, to cap it all off, obviously much more than the several other teams who offered said player even more money than the Texans.

In fact, I take my hat off to him.

I'll remember your snark the next time you criticize a player, coach, general manager or owner.  

[NeilT]

I thought he retired from the lakers years ago.

[chuck]

I'll remember your snark the next time you criticize a player, coach, general manager or owner.  

The next time Ed Wade shows up on one of those best 25 general managers in history lists you be sure and let me know.

[HudsonHawk]

The next time Ed Wade shows up on one of those best 25 general managers in history lists you be sure and let me know.

Or the next time you criticize any move by a "professional in the field". 

[chuck]

Or the next time you criticize any move by a "professional in the field". 

The next time I pick a guy that Bill James says is an on-base machine, who has an OBP of .400 and then bitch that he never gets on base, sure.

[HudsonHawk]

The next time I pick a guy that Bill James says is an on-base machine, who has an OBP of .400 and then bitch that he never gets on base, sure.

Again, the next time you bitch about a player who's been evaluated by professionals and/or the team that signs him.  Not that it'll matter, you'll certainly have some personal insult to throw my way. 

[chuck]

Again, the next time you bitch about a player who's been evaluated by professionals and/or the team that signs him.  Not that it'll matter, you'll certainly have some personal insult to throw my way. 

Why trifle with facts if you have a strongly held opinion?

[HudsonHawk]

Why trifle with facts if you have a strongly held opinion?

Because they're not facts.  It's not a fact that Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Russell Wilson, yet you'd get opinions and respective value either way.   

[Noe]

Why trifle with facts if you have a strongly held opinion?

Not for nothing, I hate to interrupt this nice little debate... but your statement reminded me of something. I had a boss who often told us (a group of highly creative, strong skilled, and passionate workers) that he feared only one thing in terms of our success: that we would eat each other alive with our opinions on how to do things best. So he said we should adopt this mantra "Strong opinions, loosely held". We all agreed and whenever a heated debate would arise, someone was tasked to say "Strong opinions people... loosely held" and that would break the tension.

Until one day I spoke up in a meeting after said mantra was repeated for the umpmillionth time "If they are strong opinions, there is no way they are loosely held. A strong opinion is not strong unless you hold on tightly to said opinion." The room fell silent because I was now going against the boss. He never fired me, in fact I saw him a few weeks ago at a conference and we were still in good terms. Great job, great place to work, passionate people, lots of debates, scars aplenty.

Carry on.

[Lefty]

The guys at Pro Football Focus are very, very heavily respected in football circles.

Carry on.