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« on: March 03, 2015, 12:53:31 pm »
AJ's been given leave by the Texans to look for a new team.  Presumably, he wants to go to a contender - which you can't fault considering what he's given the Texans (and how little they've given him) - and those contenders appear to be Seattle, New England, San Diego, Phillie or Carolina.

It'll be weird.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 02:48:20 pm »
The QB's of Andre's career:

David Carr
Tony Banks
Dave Ragone
Matt Schaub
Sage Rosenfels
TJ Yates
Jake Delhomme
Case Keenum
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tom Savage

That's just an awful list. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 02:52:40 pm »
The QB's of Andre's career:

David Carr
Tony Banks
Dave Ragone
Matt Schaub
Sage Rosenfels
TJ Yates
Jake Delhomme
Case Keenum
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tom Savage

That's just an awful list. 

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 04:32:38 pm »
The QB's of Andre's career:

David Carr
Tony Banks
Dave Ragone
Matt Schaub
Sage Rosenfels
TJ Yates
Jake Delhomme
Case Keenum
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Tom Savage

That's just an awful list. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 04:44:07 pm »
I get that the Texans have cap issues.  I get that Andre is old.  I get that he's a "possession guy" now.  I get "geez Andre, we just can't afford your whole salary now."  But I don't get them telling him he's only going to get half the catches he had in his worst season.  He's still the most productive receiver they have!  Who the fuck do they plan on throwing to?  Damaris Johnson?  
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 07:29:31 pm »
I get that the Texans have cap issues.  I get that Andre is old.  I get that he's a "possession guy" now.  I get "geez Andre, we just can't afford your whole salary now."  But I don't get them telling him he's only going to get half the catches he had in his worst season.  He's still the most productive receiver they have!  Who the fuck do they plan on throwing to?  Damaris Johnson? 

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 07:54:32 pm »
Somehow Schaub manages to be both the best and the shittiest.

Andre didn't exactly take it in the shorts with Schaub.  For all their issues, the Texans through the ball a lot with Kubiak/Schaub, and Andre benefited from that.  It's not like he's been held down his whole career. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2015, 09:11:49 pm »
I get that the Texans have cap issues.  I get that Andre is old.  I get that he's a "possession guy" now.  I get "geez Andre, we just can't afford your whole salary now."  But I don't get them telling him he's only going to get half the catches he had in his worst season.  He's still the most productive receiver they have!  Who the fuck do they plan on throwing to?  Damaris Johnson?  

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 09:36:25 pm »
I get that the Texans have cap issues.  I get that Andre is old.  I get that he's a "possession guy" now.  I get "geez Andre, we just can't afford your whole salary now."  But I don't get them telling him he's only going to get half the catches he had in his worst season.  He's still the most productive receiver they have!  Who the fuck do they plan on throwing to?  Damaris Johnson?  

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 06:34:48 am »
DeAndre Hopkins.

And?  They sure as shit don't throw to a TE, so is Hopkins going to catch every pass thrown?
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 09:03:27 am »
And?  They sure as shit don't throw to a TE, so is Hopkins going to catch every pass thrown?

sure will make it easy on a defense.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 09:30:21 am »
At this point, I'm just hoping they haven't napalmed the bridge so badly that he won't sign one of those "retire as a Texan" contracts when he's done.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 09:42:09 am »
At this point, I'm just hoping they haven't napalmed the bridge so badly that he won't sign one of those "retire as a Texan" contracts when he's done.

Well keep in mind that we're only hearing one side of the deal...Andre and his agent.  I suspect we won't hear the Texans' side until after Andre lands somewhere, at which time I'd be gobsmacked if they had bad things to say about him. 

Which brings up another topic I heard the yesteday:  who is on Houston's pro sports "Mt. Rushmore".  Is Andre on it and why/why not?  For me, it's definitely Hakeem Olajuwon, Earl Campbell and Craig Biggio.  Not sure who occupies the last spot (and no way in hell is it Nolan Ryan).
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 10:03:58 am »
Well keep in mind that we're only hearing one side of the deal...Andre and his agent.  I suspect we won't hear the Texans' side until after Andre lands somewhere, at which time I'd be gobsmacked if they had bad things to say about him. 

There's been clear friction between him and the team for a while now.  Think back to last year's pre-season, when he showed up late and then tried to hold out for his early-show-up bonus.  Of course, much of AJ's behaviour can be explained simply by reading Bench's list of QBs.


Which brings up another topic I heard the yesteday:  who is on Houston's pro sports "Mt. Rushmore".  Is Andre on it and why/why not?  For me, it's definitely Hakeem Olajuwon, Earl Campbell and Craig Biggio.  Not sure who occupies the last spot (and no way in hell is it Nolan Ryan).

Given that he bears a number of similarities to The Dream's Houston career - including back-to-back championships - Brad Davis might be the 4th.  Of course, I doubt that futbol has risen to the level of interest in Houston to garner sufficient agreement with this.  Brian Ching or even Dominic Kinnear could also be considered - and discarded -for exactly the same reasons.

Right now I think the 4th spot would be reserved for the first QB to lead the Texans to a SuperBowl win, assuming that occurs prior to the rapture.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 10:11:29 am »
Well keep in mind that we're only hearing one side of the deal...Andre and his agent.  I suspect we won't hear the Texans' side until after Andre lands somewhere, at which time I'd be gobsmacked if they had bad things to say about him. 

Which brings up another topic I heard the yesteday:  who is on Houston's pro sports "Mt. Rushmore".  Is Andre on it and why/why not?  For me, it's definitely Hakeem Olajuwon, Earl Campbell and Craig Biggio.  Not sure who occupies the last spot (and no way in hell is it Nolan Ryan).

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2015, 10:14:53 am »
Which brings up another topic I heard the yesteday:  who is on Houston's pro sports "Mt. Rushmore".  Is Andre on it and why/why not?  For me, it's definitely Hakeem Olajuwon, Earl Campbell and Craig Biggio.  Not sure who occupies the last spot (and no way in hell is it Nolan Ryan).

In 2-3 years, if not now, it's going to belong to Watt.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2015, 10:15:45 am »
Given that he bears a number of similarities to The Dream's Houston career - including back-to-back championships - Brad Davis might be the 4th.  Of course, I doubt that futbol has risen to the level of interest in Houston to garner sufficient agreement with this.  

Given that I've never heard of him, I'm not sure I'd agree either.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2015, 10:17:37 am »
In 2-3 years, if not now, it's going to belong to Watt.

He certainly not now, though he's a good potential candidate.  I'd say he needs at least 5 more years in Houston, however.
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2015, 10:17:58 am »
I was thinking Dan Pastorini. But, maybe not.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2015, 10:25:02 am »
He certainly not now, though he's a good potential candidate.  I'd say he needs at least 5 more years in Houston, however.

2-3 more years at this level, some playoff success and another few years of respectible productivity puts him there for me.
I'd rather see Bagwell's beard carved into the side of a mountain, but it's hard to argue with Biggio.
Moon's a good candidate, but easily replaced by Watt in a few years or the other of Bigs/Bags (assuming they both get to the HOF).
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2015, 10:26:08 am »
I was thinking Dan Pastorini. But, maybe not.

Pastorini was certainly a popular and memorable player, but frankly...well...he just wasn't that good. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 10:30:38 am »
2-3 more years at this level, some playoff success and another few years of respectible productivity puts him there for me.

As long as it's all in Houston, I'm with you.

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I'd rather see Bagwell's beard carved into the side of a mountain, but it's hard to argue with Biggio.
Moon's a good candidate, but easily replaced by Watt in a few years or the other of Bigs/Bags (assuming they both get to the HOF).

Bags or Biggio is a tough one for me.  I think Bagwell was the better player, but when immortalizing a guy, it's hard to ignore the HOF thing.  I personally don't think Bagwell will ever get in, but if/when he does, this little exercise becomes more difficult.  The only one who is carved in stone (see what I did there) is Olajuwon.  He's hands down the greatest professional athlete in Houston history.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 10:31:35 am »
I'd rather see Bagwell's beard carved into the side of a mountain, but it's hard to argue with Biggio.

Bagwell would be a fine choice, especially as his beard could double as a set of stairs.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 10:39:14 am »
J. J. Watt or Ray Childress? Childress probably wouldn't want his face up a mountain, though.

When I was kid A.J. Foyt would have been up there, but I guess those days are gone.

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 10:42:06 am »
The only one who is carved in stone (see what I did there) is Olajuwon.  He's hands down the greatest professional athlete in Houston history.

This is indisputable.  He's also the greatest foreign-born athlete in US sports, IMO.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2015, 10:43:16 am »
2-3 more years at this level, some playoff success and another few years of respectible productivity puts him there for me.
I'd rather see Bagwell's beard carved into the side of a mountain, but it's hard to argue with Biggio.
Moon's a good candidate, but easily replaced by Watt in a few years or the other of Bigs/Bags (assuming they both get to the HOF).

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2015, 10:46:36 am »
50 feet away, Run from Run DMC was moseying around unapproached.

That's because they didn't walk this way.

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2015, 10:47:51 am »
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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2015, 10:50:22 am »
Actually, Carl Lewis deserves consideration.
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2015, 11:24:58 am »
Actually, Carl Lewis deserves consideration.

Lewis is certainly one of the all-time greatest athletes from Houston (or anywhere else for that matter), though limiting it to professionals who are representing Houston kinds of things, I'm not sure where to put him.  Similar to why I can't put someone like Clyde Drexler on it. 
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2015, 12:12:23 pm »
Lewis is certainly one of the all-time greatest athletes from Houston (or anywhere else for that matter), though limiting it to professionals who are representing Houston kinds of things, I'm not sure where to put him.  Similar to why I can't put someone like Clyde Drexler on it.  

Houston-born athletes throws the net much wider.  Wide enough, for example, to fit over The Racket's steroid-enlarged melon and trapping, as a bonus, Andy Pettitte who happens to be in Rajah's pants but not looking for needles.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2015, 12:44:44 pm »
Houston-born athletes throws the net much wider.  Wide enough, for example, to fit over The Racket's steroid-enlarged melon and trapping, as a bonus, Andy Pettitte who happens to be in Rajah's pants but not looking for needles.

And someone like George Foreman. And Lewis isn't really *from* Houston as in being born and/or raised here. He went to college here, which casts an even wider net. Looking at college athletes, what about Heisman Trophy winners?  That's why I'm inclined to limit it to athletes who represented Houston professionally.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2015, 01:19:02 pm »
Pastorini was certainly a popular and memorable player, but frankly...well...he just wasn't that good. 

Good at what? Football? Oh ... well, yeah, probably not.

He had this going for him, though.  Maybe you could have her carved up there, if this theoretical mountain has a couple of large and similar-looking outcrops situated adjacent to each other.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2015, 01:35:04 pm »
Per John McLain, Chris Myers is gone too.
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2015, 01:40:36 pm »
Per John McLain, Chris Myers is gone too.

Not surprising. Myers, while a good player, is not an O'Brien type of lineman. He's an undersized, quickness, cut-blocking Kubiak guy. I'm sure other changes are in store, as well, as OB puts his mark on the offense.
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2015, 01:44:39 pm »
Good at what? Football? Oh ... well, yeah, probably not.

He had this going for him, though.  Maybe you could have her carved up there, if this theoretical mountain has a couple of large and similar-looking outcrops situated adjacent to each other.

If there was a pro athletes getting some trim league, Pastorini would be a first ballot HOFer.
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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2015, 02:07:54 pm »
If there was a pro athletes getting some trim league, Pastorini would be a first ballot HOFer.

My father used to tell this story ... he had an early Monday morning meeting at one of the large firms downtown around that time - 1972 or 1973, somewhere in there - and he noticed an upside-down Jeep CJ-7 in the plaza out in front of the firm's building.  It had obviously been there since the night before.

On his way into the building, my dad asked the doorman about it, and the muttered reply he got was, "Pastorini." The guy figuresd that was all he had to say, by way of explanation.

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My uncle was a priest in Houston then, and somehow got himself appointed team chaplain, or whatever it was called. The Oilers were really terrible at the time - this was the Bill Petersen-early Sid Gillman era.

Anyway, the players my uncle was closest to were Pastorini and Fred Willis and a couple of others, which seemed odd to me. Three or four of the team's wildest off-field guys, hanging around with a priest.  Then again, knowing my uncle, maybe not so odd ...

Anyway, I was 12 or 13 at the time. Very impressionable. We got to go to the team pre-game breakfasts, which was cool. I remember the morning Pastorini walked in with June Wilkinson on his arm. Jesus! I was a big pro football fan then, knew all the players and their stats, etc.  I don't know what my impression of Pastorini was up until then. Probably about the same as the one you posted here above. But after seeing his girlfriend, I decided he should be in somebody's hall of fame, for that alone.

That woman was impressive looking, up close.
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2015, 08:01:50 pm »

Given that he bears a number of similarities to The Dream's Houston career - including back-to-back championships - Brad Davis might be the 4th.  Of course, I doubt that futbol has risen to the level of interest in Houston to garner sufficient agreement with this.  Brian Ching or even Dominic Kinnear could also be considered - and discarded -for exactly the same reasons.

Right now I think the 4th spot would be reserved for the first QB to lead the Texans to a SuperBowl win, assuming that occurs prior to the rapture.

If you're going with a non "big 3" sports,  Carl Lewis and AJ Foyt would be my choices off the top of my head.  High MLS levels of achievement shouldn't warrant Houston Rushmore status, at least I hope not for our sakes.

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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2015, 08:34:19 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2015, 11:49:52 pm »
It depends if you're talking about strictly sports achievement, or some sort of iconic status?

Nolan is an icon, but he's not up there achievement-wise with Hakeem & Earl, for example. I don't know where to put Lewis or Foreman or Foyt (or Paul Bosch or Mary Lou Retton or Chester Charge)
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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2015, 06:14:55 am »
George Blanda (back to back AFL Championships) deserves mention, it was a long time ago in a league that was still years away from merging with the NFL. In the 60s it would have been, Blanda, Foyt, Elvin Hayes, and Wahoo McDaniel.
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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2015, 09:20:01 am »
Gordie Howe.

Detroit's Rushmore is much more difficult, but he'd make it.
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2015, 09:48:04 am »
Detroit's Rushmore is much more difficult, but he'd make it.

Howe, Cobb, Joe Louis, and...Al Kaline?  Barry Sanders?  Isiah Thomas?
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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2015, 10:27:43 am »
Greenberg? Howe for sure but then you think about Lindsay, Delvecchio, Yzerman and Lidstrom.
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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2015, 10:32:43 am »
Greenberg? Howe for sure but then you think about Lindsay, Delvecchio, Yzerman and Lidstrom.

I think Sanders deserves it, but I think most in Detroit would put Stevie Y in ahead of him.

Alternatively, you put both of them in and leave off Joe Louis, as boxing is so far forgotten now.
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« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2015, 10:42:40 am »
Alternatively, you put both of them in and leave off Joe Louis, as boxing is so far forgotten now.

Rushmore is a memorial to history, not just current fads. Louis was the most famous athlete in the world for much of the 20th Century. He *is* Detroit athletes.  I could not imagine kicking him off for a guy like Yzerman. It boggle my mind to even think about it.
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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2015, 10:46:48 am »
Rushmore is a memorial to history, not just current fads. Louis was the most famous athlete in the world for much of the 20th Century. He *is* Detroit athletes.  I could not imagine kicking him off for a guy like Yzerman. It boggle my mind to even think about it.

You underestimate how beloved Stevie is in Detroit.
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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2015, 10:51:16 am »
You underestimate how beloved Stevie is in Detroit.

You underestimate how beloved Louis is, in Detroit and all over the world.  Louis isn't third on the list. He's first. Ahead of Cobb. Ahead of Howe.
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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2015, 01:45:09 pm »
And someone like George Foreman. And Lewis isn't really *from* Houston as in being born and/or raised here. He went to college here, which casts an even wider net. Looking at college athletes, what about Heisman Trophy winners?  That's why I'm inclined to limit it to athletes who represented Houston professionally.

+1 for big George.

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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2015, 03:11:58 pm »
I would go with Bagwell, Biggio, Olajuwon, and Earl Campbell and never think twice about it. If someone bumped Bagwell off for AJ Foyt, I would be disappointed but not surprised.

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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2015, 12:53:28 pm »
Latest on Andre...he and Frank Gore, recently of the 49ers and even more recently backing out of agreed deal with the Eagles, have reportedly signed a BFF pact with the Colts. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2015, 05:11:22 pm »
Latest on Andre...he and Frank Gore, recently of the 49ers and even more recently backing out of agreed deal with the Eagles, have reportedly signed a BFF pact with the Colts. 

Pretty much the worst thing that could have happened, from the Texans standpoint.
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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2015, 08:57:18 pm »
Pretty much the worst thing that could have happened, from the Texans standpoint.

Not to worry. Kareem Jackson is on him.
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« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2015, 06:26:30 am »
Andre says goodbye. Total class. Me sad.
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