Author Topic: NFL Playoffs  (Read 39331 times)

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
NFL Playoffs
« on: January 03, 2015, 07:10:57 pm »
That Carolina-Arizona game was one of the worst displays of offensive football I've ever seen. Yes, both defenses are good, but those offenses are abysmal. If Carolina winds up playing Seattle next weekend they'll lose by 30 points.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Mr. Happy

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 23232
  • It's a beautiful day; let's play two
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2015, 01:59:50 am »
That Carolina-Arizona game was one of the worst displays of offensive football I've ever seen. Yes, both defenses are good, but those offenses are abysmal. If Carolina winds up playing Seattle next weekend they'll lose by 30 points.

I thought that Arizona's QB reminded me of the string of hapless QBs for the 49ers in the post-John Brodie pre-Joe Montana era, e.g., Scott Bull, etc. He was abysmal. I'd have stuck an athlete in there at wildcat and said make up plays. Less than 100 yards of offense?
People who cannot recognize a palpable absurdity are very much in the way of civilization. Agnes Rupellier

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2015, 05:43:19 pm »
Detroit may be the worst tackling team in history. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2015, 06:13:55 pm »
Detroit just got royally fucked by the officials.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2015, 06:16:07 pm »
Detroit just got royally fucked by the officials.

I don;t think I have ever seen a flag picked up after the announcement has been made.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2015, 06:18:01 pm »
I don;t think I have ever seen a flag picked up after the announcement has been made.

The commissioner's office in New York made that call.  They called down and said "we need Dallas to win this game". 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2015, 06:26:26 pm »
I'm not even sure why they bothered to play this game.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2015, 06:29:55 pm »
I'm not even sure why they bothered to play this game.

I saw three holds on that TD pass.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2015, 06:30:41 pm »
Good to know that Jerry Jones' money is still good.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2015, 06:31:50 pm »
I saw three holds on that TD pass.

They should have just declared the Lions out and sent the Cowboys on to Green Bay.  At leas the NFL would have been honest about it.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2015, 06:33:57 pm »
I didn't think I needed any more reasons to hate these goons but just in case I now have some more.
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2015, 06:46:22 pm »
Well, the league got what they paid for. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

homer

  • Pope
  • Posts: 6509
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2015, 06:48:18 pm »
Nfl is a joke
Oye. Vamos, vamos.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2015, 06:49:43 pm »
Nfl is a joke

This game made the WWF look like legitimate competition. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2015, 06:52:25 pm »
The NFL's inconsistency about pass interference and holding are going to cost them their air of legitimacy.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2015, 06:53:19 pm »
The NFL's inconsistency about pass interference and holding are going to cost them their air of legitimacy.

It's already gone.  They sold it for a Cowboys/Packers matchup.  
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

drew corleone

  • Should Have Quit 500 Posts Ago
  • Posts: 2458
    • View Profile
    • http://2centmovies.blogspot.com
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2015, 07:47:02 pm »
Boo hoo. Detroit still had the ball. Go for it there instead of shanking a punt. There was still plenty of time left in the game. I suppose the officials forced two fumbles on the final possession?

I see where that piece of shit Suh was crying after the game. He must really hate to see decisions reversed.

Cry me a fucking river.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2015, 07:52:50 pm »
I suppose the officials forced two fumbles on the final possession?

No, they just robbed the Lions of a legitimate first down and then handed the Cowboys the go ahead touchdown on their last drive. 

Quote
I see where that piece of shit Suh was crying after the game.

And I see where that piece of shit Jerry Jones was splooging in his pants.  Everybody gotta be somewhere. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2015, 08:33:41 pm »
I can't believe they reversed that call. All I can figure is that one official said Pettigrew initiated contact when he grabbed at the face-mask of the Cowboy defender which somehow nullified the subsequent contact. The NFL isn't rigged.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2015, 09:16:08 pm »
The NFL isn't rigged.

Sure it isn't.  *wink* *wink*
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BudGirl

  • Contributor
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 17776
  • Brad Ausmus' Slave
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2015, 09:49:30 pm »
Sure it isn't.  *wink* *wink*

It's definitely rigged when the Cowboys end up on top.
''I just did an interview with someone I like more than you. I used a lot of big words on him. I don't have anything left for you.'' --Brad Ausmus

Well behaved women rarely make history.

MusicMan

  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 25931
  • Thanks for 2015
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2015, 09:43:14 am »
Good to know that Jerry Jones' money is still good.

Games aren't won and lost on a single call, but elections can be lost on one awkward hug with Jerry Jones.
I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, torture of Bud Selig.

sporadic

  • Should Have Quit 500 Posts Ago
  • Posts: 1954
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2015, 09:47:18 am »
There were poor calls on both sides.  A BS holding call on Witten, a BS Offensive PI call on Terrence Williams, Dez got flat out knocked down mid route about 5 times.  That call did not cost Detroit the game...I think a 10 yard punt and the inability to stop Dallas on 4th and 6 had a lot more to do with it.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2015, 10:08:31 am »
There were poor calls on both sides.  A BS holding call on Witten, a BS Offensive PI call on Terrence Williams, Dez got flat out knocked down mid route about 5 times.  That call did not cost Detroit the game...I think a 10 yard punt and the inability to stop Dallas on 4th and 6 had a lot more to do with it.

It cost them at least 3 points, plus a few minutes off the clock.  It's hard enough to beat just the other team, let alone the other team, the officials and the league.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2015, 10:09:06 am »
Games aren't won and lost on a single call, but elections can be lost on one awkward hug with Jerry Jones.

Is hugging Jerry Jones ever *not* awkward?
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

geezerdonk

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 3342
  • a long tradition of existence
    • View Profile
NFL Playoffs
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2015, 10:25:13 am »
Can't conjure up a more unwholesome duo - the reptilian Jones and the sleazily Falstaffian Christie. 
E come vivo? Vivo.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2015, 10:25:21 am »
There were poor calls on both sides.  A BS holding call on Witten, a BS Offensive PI call on Terrence Williams, Dez got flat out knocked down mid route about 5 times.  That call did not cost Detroit the game...I think a 10 yard punt and the inability to stop Dallas on 4th and 6 had a lot more to do with it.

Calls and non-calls during game action are one thing, but not calling Bryant for storming the field without his helmet before the flag pickup is inexcusable.  That should have been 15 yards and a first down.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2015, 10:39:14 am »
Calls and non-calls during game action are one thing, but not calling Bryant for storming the field without his helmet before the flag pickup is inexcusable.  That should have been 15 yards and a first down.

I'm far more comfortable with them not calling that.  That *would* have been taking the game away from the players. But to get talked out of the PI call...after you've announced it...after you've marked it off...when the teams are lining up for the next play...not to mention the fact that it was the textbook definition of PI...is inexcusable.  It is either the league dictating the outcome or official incompetence at the highest level imaginable.  Either way, the NFL has a serious credibility problem. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2015, 10:44:06 am »
I'm far more comfortable with them not calling that.  That *would* have been taking the game away from the players. But to get talked out of the PI call...after you've announced it...after you've marked it off...when the teams are lining up for the next play...not to mention the fact that it was the textbook definition of PI...is inexcusable.  It is either the league dictating the outcome or official incompetence at the highest level imaginable.  Either way, the NFL has a serious credibility problem. 

They were in over their heads.  But that Bryant thing is one that was called 100% of the time during the regular season.  He was out half way to the numbers.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2015, 10:52:57 am »
They were in over their heads.  But that Bryant thing is one that was called 100% of the time during the regular season.  He was out half way to the numbers.

Probably so.  But I'm glad the officials have some discretion there to not penalize emotion.  But the PI...it was BY RULE pass interference.  You cannot have officials interpreting that on the fly, nor missing such an obvious call. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2015, 10:57:13 am »
Probably so.  But I'm glad the officials have some discretion there to not penalize emotion.  But the PI...it was BY RULE pass interference.  You cannot have officials interpreting that on the fly, nor missing such an obvious call. 

I agree the PI was obvious and clearly textbook.  On Bryant's though it was textbook as well.  They don't have the discretion to ignore the book.  Otherwise then they were right to ignore the PI when they wanted.  4th quarter, emotions are high, let them play.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2015, 10:59:48 am »
4th quarter, emotions are high, let them play.

Kind of my point. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2015, 11:00:05 am »
They were in over their heads.  But that Bryant thing is one that was called 100% of the time during the regular season.  He was out half way to the numbers.
The Braynt thing is a MacGuffin. "They" want you to think about that and not the man on the grassy knoll.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2015, 11:05:44 am »
Kind of my point. 

I thought your point was the refs should not have been influenced by such thinking on the PI.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2015, 11:11:29 am »
I thought your point was the refs should not have been influenced by such thinking on the PI.

My point was that they should have discretion on the emotional "after the play" stuff.  To put it in baseball frame...batter check swings with two strikes.  Ump calls him out.  Batter argues about it.  By rule, the umpire can toss him from the game for it.  I'm OK with the ump *not* tossing him (especially if it's a huge moment in a huge game), but I'd have a real problem with the ump not calling the check swing. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2015, 11:13:55 am »
My point was that they should have discretion on the emotional "after the play" stuff.  To put it in baseball frame...batter check swings with two strikes.  Ump calls him out.  Batter argues about it.  By rule, the umpire can toss him from the game for it.  I'm OK with the ump *not* tossing him (especially if it's a huge moment in a huge game), but I'd have a real problem with the ump not calling the check swing. 

Actually a more appropriate analogy would be a player on the bench coming onto the field to argue the call not the player called out.  That guy off the bench would have been ejected immediately.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2015, 11:14:51 am »
Actually a more appropriate analogy would be a player on the bench coming onto the field to argue the call not the player called out.  That guy off the bench would have been ejected immediately.

If players in the NFL didn't come and go onto the field between plays as a matter of course, you may be right.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2015, 11:19:10 am »
If players in the NFL didn't come and go onto the field between plays as a matter of course, you may be right.

Not a single NFL player is allowed on the field of play without his helmet.  He was an offensive player, so well known he could not have been confused as another player, who did not even give the appearance of coming on the field to enter the game but just to argue.  That's a clear violation, one that no other player on either team committed.  The refs were completely incompetent.  That is one example of it.  You've slam dunked another.
Goin' for a bus ride.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2015, 11:52:00 am »
Is hugging Jerry Jones ever *not* awkward?

Link
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2015, 01:02:06 pm »
That the NFL is nothing more than Romans vs Christians all over again was on full display this weekend for the NFL playoffs.  It's entertainment in the highest degree.   Were you not entertained regardless of the results of the games?  I know I was..

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2015, 01:03:02 pm »
Actually, I thought besides Dal v. Detroit, the games pretty much sucked.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2015, 02:19:30 pm »
I hate any weekend when the Ravens win.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

pots

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4514
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2015, 02:51:54 pm »
I believe it was pass interference but he didn't mug him.  The ball was so ridiculously underthrown, the receiver would have fallen just due to the fact he had to turn completely around to catch it.  There is no way a 275 pound guy can turn completely around running full speed downfield and not fall down.   However there was contact made on the shoulder so simple face guarding should not have been the call.  He did however raise his arms immediately after the shoulder contact.  I could see how officiating it live you might have missed that.  And by rule without that contact you don't have to turn to face the ball.  Had he not pushed the shoulder and just raised his hands the play would have turned out the same exact way with the ball hitting the defender and Pettigrew on the ground.  

Had Stafford made a moderately good throw he would have had a touchdown.  Pettigrew had the guy beat.  Put a little air on that and hit him in stride.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2015, 02:59:22 pm by pots »

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2015, 03:28:08 pm »
I have seen it now.  Classic PI.  The CB has his back to the ball and his hands on the receiver's arms.  The way they have been calling PI for about a decade now, that's a flag every time.  The CB's hands were nowhere near Pettigrew's face, so the reversal for face-guarding is bullshit.

Goodell has some more 'splainin' to do.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2015, 03:30:53 pm »
I believe it was pass interference but he didn't mug him.  The ball was so ridiculously underthrown, the receiver would have fallen just due to the fact he had to turn completely around to catch it.  There is no way a 275 pound guy can turn completely around running full speed downfield and not fall down.   However there was contact made on the shoulder so simple face guarding should not have been the call.  He did however raise his arms immediately after the shoulder contact.  I could see how officiating it live you might have missed that.  And by rule without that contact you don't have to turn to face the ball.  Had he not pushed the shoulder and just raised his hands the play would have turned out the same exact way with the ball hitting the defender and Pettigrew on the ground.  

Had Stafford made a moderately good throw he would have had a touchdown.  Pettigrew had the guy beat.  Put a little air on that and hit him in stride.


That pass wasn't particularly underthrown.  It wasn't a go route with the receiver streaking down the field.  It's what's known as a "back shoulder" pass, specifically designed to combat the man to man press coverage a the line.  It's a timing throw that takes advantage of the defender having his back to the QB.  The QB is taught to throw the ball at the back of the defender's head, and it's a staple in almost every offense these days.  When effectively ran, and competently officiated, it's difficult to defend.  The latter being especially critical.  

And in case you missed it...Pettigrew *had* turned completely around and was facing Stafford, 180 degrees from Hitchens. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

pots

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4514
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2015, 04:14:28 pm »
That pass wasn't particularly underthrown.  It wasn't a go route with the receiver streaking down the field.  It's what's known as a "back shoulder" pass, specifically designed to combat the man to man press coverage a the line.  It's a timing throw that takes advantage of the defender having his back to the QB.  The QB is taught to throw the ball at the back of the defender's head, and it's a staple in almost every offense these days.  When effectively ran, and competently officiated, it's difficult to defend.  The latter being especially critical.  

And in case you missed it...Pettigrew *had* turned completely around and was facing Stafford, 180 degrees from Hitchens. 

It hit the back of the defender's shoulder pad.  It's a drag wheel route.  I know what a back shoulder pass is and that play should not have been a back shoulder pass.  The defender was beat.  The only time you might try to back shoulder pass that is if the defender is cheating inside.  He wasn't.  It was thrown flat and underthrown.  It had no chance of completion because it hit the back of the shoulder pads of the defender, not the shoulder of the receiver, the defender. 

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2015, 04:14:41 pm »
And in case you missed it...Pettigrew *had* turned completely around and was facing Stafford, 180 degrees from Hitchens. 

Yep.  Pettigrew was set to make the catch, but Hitchens had both his arms at different times during the interference.  It was most definitely catchable, so the question of it being underthrown is completely moot. 

Also, it wasn't a "go route", it was a timing play to make a first down.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

pots

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4514
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2015, 04:17:42 pm »
 It was most definitely catchable, so the question of it being underthrown is completely moot.  


It hit the back of the defender.  The only way to catch that ball is off the defender's back.  The defender has a right to be there he just can't hit the receiver which he did.  But if he didn't contact the receiver it would have been incomplete barring one hell of a play where Pettigrew manages to secure it off of the defender's back.  Odell Beckham would have had it sure, almost impossible Pettigrew gets one off the defender
« Last Edit: January 05, 2015, 04:19:32 pm by pots »

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2015, 04:20:30 pm »
almost impossible Pettigrew gets one off the defender

NTTAWWT
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2015, 05:32:58 pm »
It hit the back of the defender's shoulder pad.  It's a drag wheel route.  I know what a back shoulder pass is and that play should not have been a back shoulder pass. 

It was in no way shape or form a wheel route.  It was a deliberate "stop and squat", whether you think it should have been or not. 


Quote
The only time you might try to back shoulder pass that is if the defender is cheating inside.

No.  You throw the back shoulder when the defender is one on one and is pressing from the line and has his back to the receiver.  Like that play.

 
Quote
It had no chance of completion because it hit the back of the shoulder pads of the defender, not the shoulder of the receiver, the defender. 

It had no chance of completion because the defender ran the receiver over. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2015, 05:34:59 pm »
It hit the back of the defender.  The only way to catch that ball is off the defender's back.  The defender has a right to be there he just can't hit the receiver which he did.  But if he didn't contact the receiver it would have been incomplete barring one hell of a play where Pettigrew manages to secure it off of the defender's back.  Odell Beckham would have had it sure, almost impossible Pettigrew gets one off the defender

Yes, other than running the receiver over, it wasn't bad coverage.  And PI is not contingent on the quality of the throw. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2015, 07:35:22 pm »
...a 10 yard punt...

On a tangentially related note: how about that Ohio State punter? What a weapon! It doesn't matter where you get stopped on the field, the other team will always be starting in lousy field position.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Nate Colbert

  • Pope
  • Posts: 7221
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2015, 10:31:47 am »
Christie and Cowboys is the gift that keeps on giving (check out the Christie Does Dallas cartoon).

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2015, 10:57:07 am »
Christie and Cowboys is the gift that keeps on giving (check out the Christie Does Dallas cartoon).

Jeez!  How about a little warning on that, like "Not Safe for Eyeballs!"  Perfect sentiment in the article, however.

As Jon Stewart noted last night, NJ is basically 50% Giants and 50% Eagles; Christie might just as well have broken a copy of Born to Run over the head of a bald eagle.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2015, 11:38:56 am »
As Jon Stewart noted last night, NJ is basically 50% Giants and 50% Eagles;

Poor Jets.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2015, 11:48:14 am »
Poor Jets.

When a team sucks for more than a decade it's foolish to expect a city to continue to support it.
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

Andyzipp

  • Guest
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2015, 12:01:17 pm »
When a team sucks for more than a decade it's foolish to expect a city to continue to support it.

Great.  When will the Cubs be told?

subnuclear

  • Pope
  • Posts: 6116
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2015, 12:19:41 pm »
When a team sucks for more than a decade it's foolish to expect a city to continue to support it.

I guess you are making an obtuse point, but they went to the AFC championship is 2009 and 2010 which is not too shabby.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2015, 01:07:27 pm »
Great.  When will the Cubs be told?

When they sober up.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2015, 04:16:51 pm »
Yes, other than running the receiver over, it wasn't bad coverage.  And PI is not contingent on the quality of the throw. 

And the dissection continues. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-says-refs-screwed-another-212121365.html
Goin' for a bus ride.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2015, 04:27:45 pm »

Cabrera's been all over it.

That wasn't the TD pass.  It was the 4th down play.  And I was referring more to the NFL admitting another mistake late in the game.
Goin' for a bus ride.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2015, 12:36:57 pm »
Cowboys recipients of a bullshit phantom pass interference call on a pass that couldn't possibly be caught for a gift touchdown.  And apparently the NFL has given up any pretention of the playoffs being on the up and up.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Mr. Happy

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 23232
  • It's a beautiful day; let's play two
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2015, 01:12:03 pm »
Aaron Rogers is in a gut check moment.
People who cannot recognize a palpable absurdity are very much in the way of civilization. Agnes Rupellier

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2015, 01:16:52 pm »
Cowboys recipients of a bullshit phantom pass interference call on a pass that couldn't possibly be caught for a gift touchdown.  And apparently the NFL has given up any pretention of the playoffs being on the up and up.

And giving Whitten yardage he didn't earn.
Goin' for a bus ride.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2015, 01:20:57 pm »
And giving Whitten yardage he didn't earn.

Or not.. at least they got that call right.

Mr. Happy

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 23232
  • It's a beautiful day; let's play two
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2015, 01:28:52 pm »
Green Bay is the recipient of a very friendly call that should have been reversed.
People who cannot recognize a palpable absurdity are very much in the way of civilization. Agnes Rupellier

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2015, 01:34:04 pm »
Or not.. at least they got that call right.

That "1st down" spot was embarrassingly bad.  However, it lead to hilarity of an entitled Cowboys team taking a timeout (instead of accepting the gift and snapping the ball), getting the call reversed as a result and then asking if they can have their timeout back.  Awesome!

Then shitting over themselves over the field goal was icing on that cake.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2015, 01:35:43 pm »
Green Bay is the recipient of a very friendly call that should have been reversed.

Anyone else VERY suspicious that the refs are in contact with the league office every time they have to review a play?  If there was suspicion that the league engineers results, there's your extremely obvious apparatus to do so right there!
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2015, 01:37:49 pm »
Green Bay is the recipient of a very friendly call that should have been reversed.

What game are you watching?
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2015, 01:56:31 pm »
Cowboys get another bullship PI call.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Ron Brand

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 22329
  • Smoke 'em inside.
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2015, 02:34:53 pm »
Fuck Dallas.
I'm in love with rock and roll and I'll be out all night.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2015, 02:42:47 pm »
Fuck Dallas.

Rogers is in the process of doing just that. 
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2015, 03:00:36 pm »
Glad the call was correctly reversed but, seriously, how does a professional umpire, mere yards from that play, not see the ball come loose?
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2015, 03:11:16 pm »
Glad the call was correctly reversed but, seriously, how does a professional umpire, mere yards from that play, not see the ball come loose?
It looked like he controlled it for a split second, and made a move by reaching for the goal with the ball in his left hand, then the ball came loose.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2015, 03:13:42 pm »
It looked like he controlled it for a split second, and made a move by reaching for the goal with the ball in his left hand, then the ball came loose.

He was going to the ground. By rule, that's incomplete. It's wasn't even close.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2015, 03:15:23 pm »
He was going to the ground. By rule, that's incomplete. It's wasn't even close.

Yeah, he should have tucked instead so as to be sure of the reception...   The goal line is just too enticing..

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2015, 03:16:19 pm »
He was going to the ground. By rule, that's incomplete. It's wasn't even close.
It was close.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2015, 03:16:22 pm »
Yeah, he should have tucked instead so as to be sure of the reception...   The goal line is just too enticing..

Are you saying Dez Bryant is selfish??
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2015, 03:19:43 pm »
It was plenty close enough for the conspiracy to have kept it from being overturned if they'd a wanted to.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2015, 03:23:14 pm »
Certainly a clearer rule than the one placed on the Lions last week.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2015, 03:27:53 pm »
It was close.

Not really. The ball clearly came out of his hands.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2015, 03:29:54 pm »
Are you saying Dez Bryant is selfish??

I don't think he was being selfish, just trying to make a play. It was an unbelievable effort.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2015, 03:31:25 pm »
It was plenty close enough for the conspiracy to have kept it from being overturned if they'd a wanted to.

Not really. He lost control. It was indisputable. The only way to let that stand is to blatantly ignore the rules.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2015, 03:31:36 pm »
I don't think he was being selfish, just trying to make a play. It was an unbelievable effort.

I agree. Just trying to rattle.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2015, 03:33:01 pm »
This just in from the "They're not paying attention" department: Bears pursuing Kubiak for head coaching job.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2015, 03:37:23 pm »
Not really. He lost control. It was indisputable. The only way to let that stand is to blatantly ignore the rules.

Just saw the reply.   The ruling remains obvious, but I was shocked at how close the ump was.  Mere FEET away, and gets it 100% wrong.  He took maybe two steps to be right on top of the landing point. 
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2015, 03:40:32 pm »
Regardless, the League of Boom is going to blow up a hobbled Rogers next week. 
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2015, 03:42:24 pm »
Regardless, the League of Boom is going to blow up a hobbled Rogers next week. 

I thought the Cowboys were the only team that could beat the Seahawks, because they can run the ball. I look for Seattle to beat the Packers pretty badly.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2015, 03:56:52 pm »
I thought the Cowboys were the only team that could beat the Seahawks, because they can run the ball. I look for Seattle to beat the Packers pretty badly.

I agree. Seattle's secondary is much stronger than Dallas's, and if they can bottle up the receivers for even just a little while, an immobile Rogers is going to find it hard to get much done. And I expect Lynch to destroy the Green Bay defense.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2015, 04:05:32 pm »
I agree. Seattle's secondary is much stronger than Dallas's, and if they can bottle up the receivers for even just a little while, an immobile Rogers is going to find it hard to get much done. And I expect Lynch to destroy the Green Bay defense.

I'll give it to Seatle's secondary. They've basically said "fuck you, you want to call pass interference every play, call it. I dare you." 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2015, 04:30:19 pm »
Regardless, the League of Boom is going to blow up a hobbled Rogers next week. 

+1

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2015, 04:31:12 pm »
I don't think he was being selfish, just trying to make a play. It was an unbelievable effort.

Totally agree...

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2015, 04:32:18 pm »
I'll give it to Seatle's secondary. They've basically said "fuck you, you want to call pass interference every play, call it. I dare you." 

That's the old Georgetown basketball strategy. They knew that by the end of the season the refs would be tired of calling all of their fouls.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Uncle Charlie

  • Should Have Quit 500 Posts Ago
  • Posts: 1072
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2015, 06:01:05 am »
Not really. He lost control. It was indisputable. The only way to let that stand is to blatantly ignore the rules.

Listening to the radio up here Dallas fan refuses to admit the rule exists and are saying calls like that shouldn't be made that late in the game (because apparently rules are only enforced at certain times).  It's a complete meltdown.

Nobody (except one host I heard) seems to talk about Murray's fumble.  Dude was potentially gone for six and instead fumbled, leading to a GB FG....10 point swing.

This just in - the rule sucks...it has for some time.  It's cost teams wins in the past and needs to be tweaked.  I don't know how exactly, but tweaked.
The test of a true champion is how he reacts to adversity on days when it is bound to come.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2015, 06:41:47 am »
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2015, 07:38:04 am »
Listening to the radio up here Dallas fan refuses to admit the rule exists and are saying calls like that shouldn't be made that late in the game (because apparently rules are only enforced at certain times).  It's a complete meltdown.

Nobody (except one host I heard) seems to talk about Murray's fumble.  Dude was potentially gone for six and instead fumbled, leading to a GB FG....10 point swing.

This just in - the rule sucks...it has for some time.  It's cost teams wins in the past and needs to be tweaked.  I don't know how exactly, but tweaked.

It's colloquially known as the "Calvin Johnson Rule", and it's been widely known, talked about and enforced for years.  Unlike pass interference, it's not a judgement call.  You may hate the rule, but to claim you didn't know about it or that there is no such rule speaks more to your ignorance than to say it's a crappy rule. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

geezerdonk

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 3342
  • a long tradition of existence
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2015, 08:08:51 am »
Dallas couldn't stop Rodgers. Even if Bryant had made the catch and Dallas had scored, Green Bay had plenty of time to retake the lead.
E come vivo? Vivo.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2015, 08:16:33 am »
Dallas couldn't stop Rodgers. Even if Bryant had made the catch and Dallas had scored, Green Bay had plenty of time to retake the lead.

All week, I heard from the Dallas fans: "the non-PI call didn't hurt the Lions.  There was still time left in the game, just stop 'em."  Well Cowboys fans...quit bitchin' and just stop 'em. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

subnuclear

  • Pope
  • Posts: 6116
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2015, 08:58:49 am »
All I heard last week were people bitching about how the fix was in for Dallas and how the NFL front office was consulting on referee decisions.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2015, 09:07:02 am »
All I heard last week were people bitching about how the fix was in for Dallas and how the NFL front office was consulting on referee decisions.

The call yesterday was plainly obvious, so no chance at fixing.  Though how the official, who was standing a few feet from it watching it, could have "missed" it is mindboggling. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BudGirl

  • Contributor
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 17776
  • Brad Ausmus' Slave
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2015, 09:47:37 am »
Who on here is bitching?
''I just did an interview with someone I like more than you. I used a lot of big words on him. I don't have anything left for you.'' --Brad Ausmus

Well behaved women rarely make history.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #102 on: January 12, 2015, 09:51:29 am »
Who on here is bitching?

No one.  But not every Cowboy fan posts here. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BudGirl

  • Contributor
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 17776
  • Brad Ausmus' Slave
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #103 on: January 12, 2015, 10:09:45 am »
I don't know why you all seem surprised that fans of a team are bitching about a call.  Regardless of the team.  And I believe that if the Texans could be in a game that mattered and had a controversial call you all would be upset about it.

But, you guys don't like the Cowboys or their fans so you feel justified thinking you are better than both.  
''I just did an interview with someone I like more than you. I used a lot of big words on him. I don't have anything left for you.'' --Brad Ausmus

Well behaved women rarely make history.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2015, 10:32:47 am »
I don't know why you all seem surprised that fans of a team are bitching about a call.  Regardless of the team.  And I believe that if the Texans could be in a game that mattered and had a controversial call you all would be upset about it.

But, you guys don't like the Cowboys or their fans so you feel justified thinking you are better than both.  

No one is surprised at the bitching.  I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, other than you think the bitching is justified.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

NeilT

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 11670
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #105 on: January 12, 2015, 10:37:03 am »
All I heard last week were people bitching about how the fix was in for Dallas and how the NFL front office was consulting on referee decisions.

I'm certain that the NFL front office was so deeply embarrassed by being outed that they did a 180 and directed the refs to blow that call.
"I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing... as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”  Charles Grassley

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #106 on: January 12, 2015, 10:47:47 am »
I'm certain that the NFL front office was so deeply embarrassed by being outed that they did a 180 and directed the refs to blow that call.

They blew it in real time.  But once challenged, they had no choice but to call it correctly. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Col. Sphinx Drummond

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16760
  • art is a bulwark against the irrationality of man
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #107 on: January 12, 2015, 11:36:59 am »
They blew it in real time.  But once challenged, they had no choice but to call it correctly. 
There's always a choice, man.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
And if there's a message I guess this is it
Truth isn't easy, the easy part's shit

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #108 on: January 12, 2015, 11:40:24 am »
There's always a choice, man.

This isn't Russia...wait, is this Russia?...No, this isn't Russia...
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2015, 05:32:14 pm »
Packers set a new standard for stepping on one's dick.  Russell Wilson was absolute garbage for 58 minutes and brilliant for 4 minutes.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2015, 06:35:42 pm »
Packers set a new standard for stepping on one's dick.  Russell Wilson was absolute garbage for 58 minutes and brilliant for 4 minutes.

That was as classic a melt-down as I've seen.   Living in Packer country, the cries will be long and loud

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2015, 06:45:22 pm »
That was as classic a melt-down as I've seen.   Living in Packer country, the cries will be long and loud

It was there for the taking.  That was like dropping a popup with 2-out in the 9th in a 1-run game. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2015, 07:21:27 pm »
It was there for the taking.  That was like dropping a popup with 2-out in the 9th in a 1-run game. 

When do pitchers and catchers report again?

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2015, 07:17:02 am »
When do pitchers and catchers report again?

Dunno, but Kubiak to the Broncos is hilarious.  Were they not paying attention when he was down here?
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2015, 08:27:01 am »
Dunno, but Kubiak to the Broncos is hilarious.  Were they not paying attention when he was down here?

I'm sure they think back to the glory days of Elway and Shanahan with Kubiak as OC and think that's the ticket. Of course, Elway ought to know better.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2015, 11:50:05 am »
I'm sure they think back to the glory days of Elway and Shanahan with Kubiak as OC and think that's the ticket. Of course, Elway ought to know better.

They obviously don't realise that they're getting post-botox Kubiak, where all those injections have destroyed too many brain cells.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Andyzipp

  • Guest
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2015, 02:26:10 pm »
I'm actually worried about Kubiak.  The stress of coaching the Texans almost killed him.  How is he going to survive a city that has actual expectations for their football team?

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2015, 02:45:31 pm »
I'm actually worried about Kubiak.  The stress of coaching the Texans almost killed him.  How is he going to survive a city that has actual expectations for their football team?

...and no air.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2015, 10:07:58 am »
I had no idea that each team supplies its own balls for its offensive possessions, and that both teams don't ever use the same ball.  That seems like an odd custom.  

Or that the balls that are used on kicks aren't used during the rest of the game.  
« Last Edit: January 21, 2015, 10:40:50 am by Bench »
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Duman

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 5446
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2015, 10:38:58 am »
This was one of the best tweets about the under inflated balls. This one was also very good
Always ready to go to a game.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #120 on: January 21, 2015, 11:33:13 am »
This was one of the best tweets about the under inflated balls. This one was also very good

there is now also a spoof Cialis commercial.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #121 on: January 21, 2015, 06:44:09 pm »
there is now also a spoof Cialis commercial.

_That_ was pretty darn funny

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2015, 01:03:31 pm »
So, appropriate punishment for the Patriots, disqualification?

This is the second time they've been caught cheating.  A fine is nothing compared to the value of a SuperBowl appearance, so the only effective punishment, IMHO, would be to deny them that value.  It also satisfies my sense of justice by allowing the immediately impacted party - the Colts - to benefit directly from the Pats' punishment.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2015, 01:07:43 pm »
So, appropriate punishment for the Patriots, disqualification?

This is the second time they've been caught cheating.  A fine is nothing compared to the value of a SuperBowl appearance, so the only effective punishment, IMHO, would be to deny them that value.  It also satisfies my sense of justice by allowing the immediately impacted party - the Colts - to benefit directly from the Pats' punishment.

That's a bit extreme.  Would you disqualify a team from the World Series because a pitcher had a little pine tar on his cap in the LCS?  That's about the level of this offense. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2015, 03:22:53 pm »
I think it's fair to assume the loss of a late round draft pick and a sternly worded letter in March will be the extent of the punishment here.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2015, 03:58:48 pm »
Just watched the Brady presser.  What a chump.  Mark Brunnell and Jerome Bettis are hammering him.  All Brady had to say was "yeah, I like a softer ball [NTTAWWT]...the equipment guy gave these to me, and I said 'these are fine'.  I didn't check the pressure, the officials ok'd them for game play.  We played with them.  I didn't think anything else about it."  And it all goes away.  Instead, he goes on about how he can't tell the difference, the QB doesn't call the ball shots, etc...all things laughed at by every other guy who's ever played QB in the NFL. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

geezerdonk

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 3342
  • a long tradition of existence
    • View Profile
NFL Playoffs
« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2015, 04:22:52 pm »
Why didn't the referees catch it during the game?
E come vivo? Vivo.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2015, 04:26:25 pm »
Just watched the Brady presser.  What a chump.  Mark Brunnell and Jerome Bettis are hammering him.  All Brady had to say was "yeah, I like a softer ball [NTTAWWT]...the equipment guy gave these to me, and I said 'these are fine'.  I didn't check the pressure, the officials ok'd them for game play.  We played with them.  I didn't think anything else about it."  And it all goes away.  Instead, he goes on about how he can't tell the difference, the QB doesn't call the ball shots, etc...all things laughed at by every other guy who's ever played QB in the NFL. 

He should have tried to make a detailed explanation of Avogadro's number.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #128 on: January 22, 2015, 07:15:19 pm »
Why didn't the referees catch it during the game?

No one seems to know.  They handle all the balls (not just Brady's, but the other guys too) on every play. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #129 on: January 22, 2015, 07:16:35 pm »
He should have tried to make a detailed explanation of Avogadro's number.

I can see it now...all the Brady buttlicks in the Patriot press room.."hey Annie Tommy...what's all this molecule stuff..."
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #130 on: January 22, 2015, 08:32:02 pm »
I'm getting a kick out of writers who apparently were asleep during chemistry/physics class and are talking about how the difference in pounds per square inch makes the ball lighter or heavier. Yeah, it's a little lighter if you let some air out, but not by any amount that a human could detect. "But they took 2 pounds out of the ball, man!"
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2015, 10:53:58 am »
Here's a somewhat thought-provoking article on how ongoing the deflation issue might be.  #ballghazi

Basically, the rule that each team provides their own footballs for each game was adopted after the 2006 season, partly due to the lobbying of Brady and Peyton Manning.  Before the 2007 season the home team provided all balls used in the game.  Prior to the rule change, the Patriots had a fumble rate right in line with the league.  After the rule change, and once they began using different footballs than the other team, the Patriots' fumble rate fell well below the league average, indicating that the Patriots have taken advantage of the rule change that each team supplies its own balls to a degree no other team has approached.  Obviously there's no direct causation, but it's an astounding correlation and further indicative of the Patriots' conscious attention to the condition of the footballs they use which is contrary to the BS spewed by Belichick and Brady last week. 
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2015, 11:37:49 am »
Obviously there's no direct causation, but it's an astounding correlation and further indicative of the Patriots' conscious attention to the condition of the footballs they use which is contrary to the BS spewed by Belichick and Brady last week. 

Apparently the Ravens complained of underinflated balls after their playoff game with the Pats a week earlier, and the Colts complained that they thought the same shit was going on in their regular season game vs. the Pats in November.  [Link]

Considering that, when caught filming the Jets' defensive signals, Belichick owned up to have been doing it for years, it seems unlikely that this was a one-time freak accident.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2015, 01:09:44 pm »
Here's a somewhat thought-provoking article on how ongoing the deflation issue might be.  #ballghazi

Basically, the rule that each team provides their own footballs for each game was adopted after the 2006 season, partly due to the lobbying of Brady and Peyton Manning.  Before the 2007 season the home team provided all balls used in the game.  Prior to the rule change, the Patriots had a fumble rate right in line with the league.  After the rule change, and once they began using different footballs than the other team, the Patriots' fumble rate fell well below the league average, indicating that the Patriots have taken advantage of the rule change that each team supplies its own balls to a degree no other team has approached.  Obviously there's no direct causation, but it's an astounding correlation and further indicative of the Patriots' conscious attention to the condition of the footballs they use which is contrary to the BS spewed by Belichick and Brady last week. 

So by that logic, you should see a statistically significant difference in fumble rates of players with the Patriots vs with other teams.  So for example, LeGarrette Blount has fumbled only once every 71 carries as a Patriot.  How does that compare to his years with Tampa Bay?  Ummm...once every 71 carries.  How about when he was with Pittsburgh?  Only one season but fumbled...once every 65 carries.  Corey Dillon fumbled once every 93 carries in his career until he got to Belichik and the Pat, where upon he started fubling at a rate of...once every 94 carries.  Receivers...Wes Welker fumbled once ever 56 receptions in New England.  How often once he left?  Once every 122 receptions.  Randy Moss...fumbled once every 52 receptions as Patriot (all of it after 2006).  Everywhere else?  Once every 66 receptions.  There may be some statitstics that would support such a claim, but there's a LONG way to go to make any sort of convincing argument. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #134 on: January 27, 2015, 01:54:48 pm »
So by that logic, you should see a statistically significant difference in fumble rates of players with the Patriots vs with other teams.  So for example, LeGarrette Blount has fumbled only once every 71 carries as a Patriot.  How does that compare to his years with Tampa Bay?  Ummm...once every 71 carries.  How about when he was with Pittsburgh?  Only one season but fumbled...once every 65 carries.  Corey Dillon fumbled once every 93 carries in his career until he got to Belichik and the Pat, where upon he started fubling at a rate of...once every 94 carries.  Receivers...Wes Welker fumbled once ever 56 receptions in New England.  How often once he left?  Once every 122 receptions.  Randy Moss...fumbled once every 52 receptions as Patriot (all of it after 2006).  Everywhere else?  Once every 66 receptions.  There may be some statitstics that would support such a claim, but there's a LONG way to go to make any sort of convincing argument.  

The same guy took a look at this insightful critique and concluded New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams

His more detailed conclusions:


Patriots players fumbled SIGNIFICANTLY more often when playing on other NFL teams than when playing for the Patriots:
Individual players who played on New England during the 2007-14 span and on other teams fumbled 46% less often ON the Patriots as compared to on their other teams (98 touches/fumble on NE, 67 on other teams).

The most utilized of the Patriots players fumbled even more frequently when paying for other NFL teams:
The players who played the MOST often for the Patriots during this span fumbled the ball TWICE as frequently on other teams as they did on the Patriots (107 touches/fumble on NE, 53 on other teams).

Learning ball possession skills in New England did NOT transfer to other NFL teams after players left:
Individual players who played on the Patriots fumbled 88% more often after LEAVING the Patriots as they did when playing on the Patriots (105 touches/fumble on NE, 56 after NE on other teams).

In fact, the opposite was true – players were MORE secure carrying the football before even playing for the Patriots than they were after leaving the Patriots:
Individual players who played on the Patriots fumbled 25% less frequently before joining New England as they did after playing for New England and then leaving (70 touches/fumble before NE, 56 after NE).
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #135 on: January 27, 2015, 03:06:51 pm »
The same guy took a look at this insightful critique and concluded New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams

His more detailed conclusions:

I can't access the link, so does he offer any actual data or just conclusions?  I just took a cursory look at a few prominent players who I knew off the top of my head had significant playing time with both the Patriots and other teams.  The data for those players certainly doesn't support his theory, however.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BudGirl

  • Contributor
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 17776
  • Brad Ausmus' Slave
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #136 on: January 27, 2015, 03:09:46 pm »
I can't access the link, so does he offer any actual data or just conclusions?  I just took a cursory look at a few prominent players who I knew off the top of my head had significant playing time with both the Patriots and other teams.  The data for those players certainly doesn't support his theory, however.

Maybe you can get this link.  He had a chart.

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Individual-Patriots-Fumbles1.png
''I just did an interview with someone I like more than you. I used a lot of big words on him. I don't have anything left for you.'' --Brad Ausmus

Well behaved women rarely make history.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2015, 03:10:35 pm »
Yes, he has a player by player table. It is not all that compelling.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2015, 03:13:52 pm »
I can't access the link, so does he offer any actual data or just conclusions?  I just took a cursory look at a few prominent players who I knew off the top of my head had significant playing time with both the Patriots and other teams.  The data for those players certainly doesn't support his theory, however.

He's got the data.  The appears to be some debate in the comments about not taking into account special teams touches but counting special teams fumbles, but the methodology and data are all laid out.  Blount, Welker and Moss are accounted for, but Dillon apparently ended his career in 2006 with the Patriots so he wouldn't fall into the relevant time period anyway.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2015, 03:14:41 pm »
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2015, 03:20:56 pm »
Does your gestapo employer allow imgur?

http://imgur.com/L7waVyS
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2015, 03:21:11 pm »
He's got the data.  The appears to be some debate in the comments about not taking into account special teams touches but counting special teams fumbles, but the methodology and data are all laid out.

That seems easy enough to filter out.  And it would only matter if both a) players generally fumble more on special teams than they do on offense, and b) a player played significant time on special teams with one organization and not with another.   

 
Quote
Blount, Welker and Moss are accounted for, but Dillon apparently ended his career in 2006 with the Patriots so he wouldn't fall into the relevant time period anyway.

I couldn't remember when Dillon left, I just knew he played a lot with Belichick and a lot somewhere else.  I had a hard time thinking of many guys who were prominent players who played anywhere other than NE in the last seven years.  I'll have to check out his data when I get home.  I'm curious as to how he explains the outliers. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2015, 03:41:50 pm »
Does your gestapo employer allow imgur?

http://imgur.com/L7waVyS

Yes, and I can now see it.  And I can say that his analysis is garbage.  The difference is based almost entirely on Brandon Tate, and the analysis is skewed not only because Tate was a minor player in NE, but because of the KR reason mentioned.  He's counting all 10 of Tate's non-NE fumbles in the 35 touches he lists.  There's only one problem...Tate didn't fumble in a single one of those touches.  Every single non-NE fumble he has came on KR touches, which are not counted in the "touches".  And that's just one example.  This is garbage statistical analysis at its finest. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2015, 03:46:22 pm »
I warned you.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2015, 03:53:28 pm »
I warned you.

Yeah, well, I wanted to see what the fuss was about.  I thought The Man blocked it because it appears that it might be used for gambling purposes, but now I think it's blocked because it's really, really bad science. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2015, 04:50:53 pm »
Yes, and I can now see it.  And I can say that his analysis is garbage.  The difference is based almost entirely on Brandon Tate, and the analysis is skewed not only because Tate was a minor player in NE, but because of the KR reason mentioned.  He's counting all 10 of Tate's non-NE fumbles in the 35 touches he lists.  There's only one problem...Tate didn't fumble in a single one of those touches.  Every single non-NE fumble he has came on KR touches, which are not counted in the "touches".  And that's just one example.  This is garbage statistical analysis at its finest. 

The kick return balls are a whole different population of balls anyway, right?
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #146 on: January 27, 2015, 05:38:38 pm »
Yeah, well, I wanted to see what the fuss was about.  I thought The Man blocked it because it appears that it might be used for gambling purposes, but now I think it's blocked because it's really, really bad science. 

Here's a statistics professor taking apart the really bad science.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

roadrunner

  • Should Have Quit 500 Posts Ago
  • Posts: 2164
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2015, 06:13:35 pm »
Punishment notwithstanding, the NFL will start issuing balls that both teams will be required to use for each game now...right?  Or is that too simple?

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #148 on: January 27, 2015, 06:16:38 pm »
Punishment notwithstanding, the NFL will start issuing balls that both teams will be required to use for each game now...right?  Or is that too simple?

I don't understand why the home team doesn't supply the balls.  If they're prepared to the home QBs preference, within league parameters of course, then it's just a little extra home field advantage that I think is perfectly fine.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

austro

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 19637
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #149 on: January 27, 2015, 06:35:27 pm »
My guess is that NE fumbles less because Belichick is really, really ruthless about benching guys who fumble. As in, they don't come back into that game. (I'm particularly aware of this because I've been stupid enough to have both Ridley and Vereen on my fantasy teams.) And after that I imagine they start paying particular attention to holding on to the ball.
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

NeilT

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 11670
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #150 on: January 27, 2015, 06:48:58 pm »
Nope.  Blocked as NSFW. 

Probably because it's about guys handling their balls.
"I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing... as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”  Charles Grassley

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #151 on: January 27, 2015, 07:32:02 pm »
The kick return balls are a whole different population of balls anyway, right?

Yes.  So at a minimum, any fumble on a kick should be eliminated from the analysis. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2015, 10:00:44 am »
I don't understand why the home team doesn't supply the balls.  If they're prepared to the home QBs preference, within league parameters of course, then it's just a little extra home field advantage that I think is perfectly fine.

That makes sense to me.  Though I can see how the NFL was talked into the current rule, which is consistent with its ever increasing deference to QB's and offense.  If all the balls are within the rule, what's the harm in letting each QB be as comfortable as he wants?
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2015, 10:15:41 am »
That makes sense to me.  Though I can see how the NFL was talked into the current rule, which is consistent with its ever increasing deference to QB's and offense.  If all the balls are within the rule, what's the harm in letting each QB be as comfortable as he wants?

I think I read that the Patriots were one of the teams pushing really hard for this change, or maybe I just made that up in my head because I hate the cheating fuckers.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2015, 10:33:43 am »
Patriots and Colts.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2015, 11:29:36 am »
I don't understand why the home team doesn't supply the balls.  If they're prepared to the home QBs preference, within league parameters of course, then it's just a little extra home field advantage that I think is perfectly fine.

That's the way it was, until QBs started complaining that they were getting crap balls in road games, specifically to fuck with them. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2015, 11:37:00 am »
That's the way it was, until QBs started complaining that they were getting crap balls in road games, specifically to fuck with them. 

Presumably, at that time, the home QB was using the same equipment...?  Sounds like the rule didn't need changing and that certain QBs needed a large dose of STFU.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2015, 01:19:38 pm »
Presumably, at that time, the home QB was using the same equipment...?

Yeah, but if your home QB was say Ryan Fitzpatrick or Blaine Gabbert, and you were playing say Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, one way to help minimize that mismatch is to give them fucked up balls to use.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2015, 01:51:07 pm »
Yeah, but if your home QB was say Ryan Fitzpatrick or Blaine Gabbert, and you were playing say Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, one way to help minimize that mismatch is to give them fucked up balls to use.

As long as they're league-compliant, what's wrong with that?

The old Cowboys' crib had a huge camber that made it very hard to visiting QBs to judge passes to the sidelines because the drop off was so dramatic.  Seems to me that such a thing is way worse than not letting star QBs doctor balls to their preference.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2015, 02:01:30 pm »
As long as they're league-compliant, what's wrong with that?

Nothing, except the league compliance was pretty vague.  If there was a standard, it would be one thing, but there's not.  So the top QBs were getting balls that were "properly inflated", and not much else.  The league thought the solution was to allow teams to supply their own balls.  Given that the balls were inspected by officials before the game, the idea that a team would intentionally deflate them and yet they would still be judged acceptable was just something they never imagined happening.  

The better question is, why the hell isn't there a standard ball for scrimmage plays like there are for kicks?
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #160 on: February 01, 2015, 09:11:49 pm »
Carroll...WTF?
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #161 on: February 01, 2015, 09:18:03 pm »
Carroll...WTF?

Now THAT is stepping on your dick. Monumentally stupid.  Couldn't happen to bigger bunch of douchebags.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #162 on: February 01, 2015, 09:24:43 pm »
Now THAT is stepping on your dick. Monumentally stupid.  Couldn't happen to bigger bunch of douchebags.

Unfortunately the beneficiaries ARE a bigger bunch of douchebags.

Someone had to win that game, I guess.

Anyhoo, I'm going back to my Stockhausen.
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #163 on: February 01, 2015, 09:27:56 pm »
Unfortunately the beneficiaries ARE a bigger bunch of douchebags.

Nope. I've never seen a professional athlete who was a bigger prick than Richard Sherman. He automatically makes whatever team he plays for the biggest buch of classless fucktards in the league.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #164 on: February 01, 2015, 09:42:56 pm »
Nope. I've never seen a professional athlete who was a bigger prick than Richard Sherman. He automatically makes whatever team he plays for the biggest buch of classless fucktards in the league.

I would take that guy on the Texans in the time it takes you to say 'grand slam breakfast.' But since you obviously don't particularly care whether the Texans win or lose - McNair's won you over, I guess - you can afford to hope for mediocre players who do not offend your delicate sensibilities.
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #165 on: February 01, 2015, 10:11:16 pm »
I would take that guy on the Texans in the time it takes you to say 'grand slam breakfast.' But since you obviously don't particularly care whether the Texans win or lose - McNair's won you over, I guess - you can afford to hope for mediocre players who do not offend your delicate sensibilities.

I'd rather lose than win with those assholes. Your mileage may vary.

On a side note, go fuck yourself.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #166 on: February 01, 2015, 10:18:17 pm »
Delicate sensibilities.
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #167 on: February 02, 2015, 09:12:47 am »
Now THAT is stepping on your dick. Monumentally stupid.  Couldn't happen to bigger bunch of douchebags.

Two memes, one photo.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #168 on: February 02, 2015, 11:07:18 am »
In defense of Carroll:

The above tweet posits that, with only 26 seconds left and only one timeout, the Seahawks had to throw on at least on of the remaining 3 downs, both to stop the clock and to keep the Pats' defense honest (props for getting all that done in 140 characters).

Extrapolating from that, it was therefore appropriate to call a pass on the 2nd down play: if they had run and not made it, then they'd have to burn their last timeout and pretty much be forced the throw in 3rd down, whereas an incomplete pass stops the clock giving them the option to run or pass on 3rd down (with the timeout still at their disposal so they for sure get to run another play on 4th down).

Of course, that's some serious Monday-morning overthinking, when it's quite likely that Lynch bulldozes his way into the endzone in one or two plays anyway and, if he doesn't, isn't that the best way to fail?  But, if you want to know if there was any reason to do what they did, there it is.  Meanwhile, Carroll has taken full responsibility, even though the OC calls the plays and Wilson has full autonomy at the line.  Maybe we'll find out someday who made the fateful call.

----------

One last point - made by Mrs Limey in real time last night - the NE rookie Butler actually saved the go-ahead TD twice at the end of the game!  On Kearse's juggled catch, the incoming defender chose to hurdle Kearse, leaving him to make the catch and not be downed by contact.  Butler had his wits about him and realised that it was a live ball and so make sure to down Kearse - who was in the process of getting up to jog three steps unopposed into the endzone.

It was hard to pick an MVP last night, but I think a strong argument can be made for Butler who saved their collective asses twice in the space of about 30 seconds during the final minute of play.  Of course, the TV guys chose to talk about Butler's redemption for getting beaten when covering Kearse, instead of realising that he had (1) done his job on coverage; and (b) then gone "above and beyond" to save the game...before then making the game-winning play!
« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 11:14:40 am by Limey »
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #169 on: February 02, 2015, 11:12:28 am »
In defense of Carroll:

The above tweet posits that, with only 26 seconds left and only one timeout, the Seahawks had to throw on at least on of the remaining 3 downs, both to stop the clock and to keep the Pats' defense honest.

Extrapolating from that, it was therefore appropriate to call a pass on the 2nd down play: if they had run and not made it, then they'd have to burn their last timeout, whereas an incomplete pass stops the clock giving them the option to run or pass on 3rd down (with the timeout still at their disposal so they for sure get to run another play on 4th down).

Of course, that's some serious Monday-morning overthinking, when it's quite likely that Lynch bulldozes his way into the endzone in one or two plays anyway.  But if you want to know if there was any reason to do what they did, there it is.  Meanwhile, Carroll has taken full responsibility, even though the OC calls the plays and Wilson has full autonomy at the line.  Maybe we'll find out someday who made the fateful call.

Then that's double dick stepping.  The correct pass play call then should have been play action, preserving the view of the run until the last moment.  As soon as they came out in shotgun everyone knew the pass was coming.
Goin' for a bus ride.

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #170 on: February 02, 2015, 11:13:17 am »
Keeping the Pats D honest would be a PA bootleg or jump ball to the corner, not a quick strike to the crowded middle of the line. Poor judgement.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #171 on: February 02, 2015, 11:18:40 am »
Barnwell has a pretty good detailed breakdown of the play.

by throwing on second down, you could get two cracks at running the football while providing some semblance of doubt for the Patriots. If Wilson’s pass on second down is incomplete (and he avoids a sack, which seems likely given his ability to scramble), the clock stops with something like 20 seconds to go. That means you can run the ball on third down, use your final timeout, and then run the ball again on fourth down. All three plays come with the possibility of either throwing or running, which prevents the Patriots from selling out against one particular type of play.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #172 on: February 02, 2015, 11:20:31 am »
I'm not saying they shouldn't have passed on 2nd down. I'm saying it was a shitty read/call. Of course, if it were successful then it's moot.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #173 on: February 02, 2015, 11:22:29 am »
I'm not saying they shouldn't have passed on 2nd down. I'm saying it was a shitty read/call. Of course, if it were successful then it's moot.

Bringing us back to Butler...who made two game-saving plays, in two plays.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #174 on: February 02, 2015, 11:23:15 am »
Barnwell has a pretty good detailed breakdown of the play.

by throwing on second down, you could get two cracks at running the football while providing some semblance of doubt for the Patriots. If Wilson’s pass on second down is incomplete (and he avoids a sack, which seems likely given his ability to scramble), the clock stops with something like 20 seconds to go. That means you can run the ball on third down, use your final timeout, and then run the ball again on fourth down. All three plays come with the possibility of either throwing or running, which prevents the Patriots from selling out against one particular type of play.

With the 1 time out they had two cracks at running the ball no matter what the play call on second down.
Goin' for a bus ride.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #175 on: February 02, 2015, 11:24:13 am »
Bringing us back to Butler...who made two game-saving plays, in two plays.

I also failed to appreciate until this morning Dont'a Hightower's tackle of Lynch on the one yard line in the play right before the interception. 
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Ty in Tampa

  • Contributor
  • Pope
  • Posts: 9111
  • You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #176 on: February 02, 2015, 11:33:45 am »
I thought Butler would have been a good choice, under the circumstances. Brady and Edelman did a lot to get them where they were at that point, though.
"You want me broken. You want me dead.
I'm living rent-free in the back of your head."

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #177 on: February 02, 2015, 11:42:00 am »
I thought Butler would have been a good choice, under the circumstances. Brady and Edelman did a lot to get them where they were at that point, though.

Edelman was my other thought, because he was everywhere on offense.  Brady had a good game, but was not really doing anything other than a solid job (for an elite QB).

It's going to be awesome when it comes out* that the Patriots, Belickick and Brady all knew about ball deflation and have been doing it for years, because they've taken all the trophies and given them to the cheaters.


* It won't ever come out.  At least, not from the NFL.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #178 on: February 02, 2015, 11:56:10 am »
Edelman was my other thought, because he was everywhere on offense.  Brady had a good game, but was not really doing anything other than a solid job (for an elite QB).


Edelman was the unsung hero for the Pats.  He got the crap beat out of him all game and yet came back for more and saved Tom's bacon several times.   My hat's off to that guy for his toughness and capability.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #179 on: February 02, 2015, 12:21:31 pm »
Barnwell has a pretty good detailed breakdown of the play.

by throwing on second down, you could get two cracks at running the football while providing some semblance of doubt for the Patriots. If Wilson’s pass on second down is incomplete (and he avoids a sack, which seems likely given his ability to scramble), the clock stops with something like 20 seconds to go. That means you can run the ball on third down, use your final timeout, and then run the ball again on fourth down. All three plays come with the possibility of either throwing or running, which prevents the Patriots from selling out against one particular type of play.

With that logic you throw on third down. That's the down to "keep them honest".
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #180 on: February 02, 2015, 12:24:12 pm »
With that logic you throw on third down. That's the down to "keep them honest".

Not if you're plan is to have preserved your timeout for after 3rd down.

Of course, if this logic is correct, then the Pats would be expecting a throw, so running Lynch was the play.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #181 on: February 02, 2015, 12:31:54 pm »
Not if you're plan is to have preserved your timeout for after 3rd down.

You don't need the timeout if you throw on third down. If you're hellbent on throwing one down, third down is the one to do it, IMO.  Of course, is run the ball three times. I also don't waste 40 seconds after the first down run. I line right back up and shove it down their throats.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #182 on: February 02, 2015, 12:36:28 pm »
You don't need the timeout if you throw on third down. If you're hellbent on throwing one down, third down is the one to do it, IMO.  Of course, is run the ball three times. I also don't waste 40 seconds after the first down run. I line right back up and shove it down their throats.

If you run on 2nd and burn your timeout, then you have to throw in 3rd, tipping your hand to the defense.

Of course, on the other side of the ball, Belichick should've been burning through his timeouts in order to save as much time as possible for a game-tying field goal.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #183 on: February 02, 2015, 12:54:12 pm »
With that logic you throw on third down. That's the down to "keep them honest".

But with only one time out and less than 30 seconds it's tough to get three plays off if you run on second down.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #184 on: February 02, 2015, 12:56:46 pm »
If you run on 2nd and burn your timeout, then you have to throw in 3rd, tipping your hand to the defense.

So what?  Plus, I'm convinced they score on second down if they line up and run Lynch.

Quote
Of course, on the other side of the ball, Belichick should've been burning through his timeouts in order to save as much time as possible for a game-tying field goal.

Possibly. Of course, The fact that the Seahawks were lolly gagging, probably expecting the Pats to call time out showed Belichick that Carroll didn't know what he wanted to do. In a way, Belichick forced Carroll's hand there.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #185 on: February 02, 2015, 12:57:53 pm »
But with only one time out and less than 30 seconds it's tough to get three plays off if you run on second down.

No more than if you pass. Each play from the one shoud take no more than 7 seconds, tops.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Jacksonian

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12893
  • Anonymous Source
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #186 on: February 02, 2015, 01:02:36 pm »
No more than if you pass. Each play from the one shoud take no more than 7 seconds, tops.

That and you have 29 seconds to run just the two plays which would include one time out.
Goin' for a bus ride.

juliogotay

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8738
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #187 on: February 02, 2015, 02:55:54 pm »
Why are we arguing this point? Carroll has said it was an error in judgment.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #188 on: February 02, 2015, 03:08:05 pm »
Why are we arguing this point? Carroll has said it was an error in judgment.

Because it happened. Something had to be going through Carroll's head. Plus last night, he said it was a legit call and explained his thinking.
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Nate in IA

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 4279
  • To the stars...
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #189 on: February 02, 2015, 05:32:02 pm »
And the final (so he thinks ) QB's on Facebook wrap up the season.. and the gag

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #190 on: February 02, 2015, 09:56:58 pm »
And the final (so he thinks ) QB's on Facebook wrap up the season.. and the gag

BEAST MODE THROUGH LISTENING TO LESBIAN COACH AND GINGER TAX COLLECTOR...classic.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Nate Colbert

  • Pope
  • Posts: 7221
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #191 on: February 05, 2015, 07:05:56 pm »
Obituary:

  • A. Hoax
  • B. Bad taste
  • C. Great sense of humor

C, apparently. The deceased's wife said he would have given a thumbs up.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #192 on: May 06, 2015, 12:44:10 pm »
It's going to be awesome when it comes out* that the Patriots, Belickick and Brady all knew about ball deflation and have been doing it for years, because they've taken all the trophies and given them to the cheaters.


* It won't ever come out.  At least, not from the NFL.


The NFL report is coming out today, in which they say that Brady was "at least generally aware" that the balls were deflated. 

Quote
The NFL report said "it was more than probable" that Jim McNally, the officials locker room attendant, and John Jastremski, an equipment assistant for the Patriots, were involved in "a deliberate effort to release air" from the footballs after they were examined by the referee.

The report includes text messages between McNally and Jastremski that imply Brady was requesting footballs deflated below 12.5 pounds per square inch.

The 243-page report said league investigators found no evidence that coach Bill Belichick and team management knew of the practice.

Interesting...
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #193 on: May 06, 2015, 01:29:33 pm »
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #194 on: May 06, 2015, 01:34:46 pm »
The text messages are fucking amazing

http://deadspin.com/the-hilarious-brady-bashing-texts-sent-by-the-pats-bal-1702598756

Those dudes seem disproportionately upset for what they were asked to do.
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

MusicMan

  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 25931
  • Thanks for 2015
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #195 on: May 06, 2015, 01:38:08 pm »
Those dudes seem disproportionately upset for what they were asked to do.

They are pictured at left.
I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, torture of Bud Selig.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #196 on: May 06, 2015, 02:09:55 pm »
Those dudes seem disproportionately upset for what they were asked to do.


What?  You mean Tom Brady was a whiny, entitled, unappreciative bitch about getting the balls how he wanted them.

I am SHOCKED.  SHOCKED, I tell you.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

BizidyDizidy

  • Pope
  • Posts: 8836
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #197 on: May 06, 2015, 02:18:54 pm »
Those dudes seem disproportionately upset for what they were asked to do.

To be clear - he wasn't being asked to underinflate the balls. He was being asked to sneak them away after the refs checked them and surreptitiously deflate them. On top of that, Brady bitched him out if they weren't deflated enough.
"My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people."
  -  Orson Welles

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #198 on: May 06, 2015, 02:20:26 pm »
Those dudes seem disproportionately upset for what they were asked to do.

Sounds like they were upset because Brady disproportionately brow beats them and then stiffs them on the traditional clubhouse tip. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #199 on: May 06, 2015, 03:00:15 pm »
A quick scan of the Executive Summary of the report shows that it's chock full o' incredibly damning circumstantial evidence on the kit dudes and Brady - including a huge burst of phone and text traffic between Brady and the kit manager over the three days after Ballgazi hit the press, when they'd not communicated in that manner for over six months and never in such volume.

It will be interesting to see what the penalties imposed will be, especially on Mr. Bundchen.

Also, unless there has been a massive whitewashing (and why would they do this and leave Brady hanging), it looks like Belichick and the Pats are off the hook.  I could see Brady spearheading this on his own, but then I think he a humongous prick to start with.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #200 on: May 06, 2015, 03:30:38 pm »
A quick scan of the Executive Summary of the report shows that it's chock full o' incredibly damning circumstantial evidence on the kit dudes and Brady - including a huge burst of phone and text traffic between Brady and the kit manager over the three days after Ballgazi hit the press, when they'd not communicated in that manner for over six months and never in such volume.

It will be interesting to see what the penalties imposed will be, especially on Mr. Bundchen.

Also, unless there has been a massive whitewashing (and why would they do this and leave Brady hanging), it looks like Belichick and the Pats are off the hook.  I could see Brady spearheading this on his own, but then I think he a humongous prick to start with.

I still don't understand why Brady didn't come out and say "Every QB likes his balls a certain way.  I like mine on the low-inflation side (NTTAWWT).  I've always assumed what they give me is within the rules, but it's not my job to measure each one."
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #201 on: May 06, 2015, 03:50:59 pm »
I still don't understand why Brady didn't come out and say "Every QB likes his balls a certain way.  I like mine on the low-inflation side (NTTAWWT).  I've always assumed what they give me is within the rules, but it's not my job to measure each one."


He could say that, but it would still be as much of a lie as the bullshit he did say.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #202 on: May 06, 2015, 04:05:06 pm »

He could say that, but it would still be as much of a lie as the bullshit he did say.

Perhaps, but at least it's plausible deniability.  Saying "I can't tell the difference" is just absurd. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

chuck

  • Contributor
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 12495
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #203 on: May 06, 2015, 04:32:50 pm »
Why would Brady and the ball boys turn over their cell phone records to the NFL?
Y todo lo que sube baja
pregúntale a Pedro Navaja

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #204 on: May 06, 2015, 05:02:24 pm »
Why would Brady and the ball boys turn over their cell phone records to the NFL?

Perhaps they were Patriot issued phones, and the Patriots did or the NFL required them too under threat of flogging?  Good question.   
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #205 on: May 06, 2015, 05:36:44 pm »
Why would Brady and the ball boys turn over their cell phone records to the NFL?

The Patriots said they would cooperate fully with the investigation, and ordered all of their employees to hand over all electronic communications; and the kit dudes complied.  Brady refused, even when they offered to let his lawyer vet the communications and filter out any non-Ballghazi-related sexting communications.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #206 on: May 06, 2015, 05:55:31 pm »
The Patriots said they would cooperate fully with the investigation, and ordered all of their employees to hand over all electronic communications; and the kit dudes complied.  Brady refused, even when they offered to let his lawyer vet the communications and filter out any non-Ballghazi-related sexting communications.

Not that I'm defending Brady here, but I'd have told them to go fuck themselves too.  My texts are none of their damn business.  Why would anyone in Brady's shoes agree to that?
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

NeilT

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • Double Super Secret Pope
  • Posts: 11670
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #207 on: May 06, 2015, 07:47:33 pm »
Not that I'm defending Brady here, but I'd have told them to go fuck themselves too.  My texts are none of their damn business.  Why would anyone in Brady's shoes agree to that?

Maybe contractual obligations?
"I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing... as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”  Charles Grassley

Mr. Happy

  • Fantasy Team Owner
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 23232
  • It's a beautiful day; let's play two
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #208 on: May 07, 2015, 07:51:17 am »
Maybe contractual obligations?

That's what I was thinking.
People who cannot recognize a palpable absurdity are very much in the way of civilization. Agnes Rupellier

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

HudsonHawk

  • Administrator
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 42689
  • Gentleman About Town
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #209 on: May 07, 2015, 09:33:40 am »
Maybe contractual obligations?

There's nothing in an NFL player contract or in the CBA that says players' personal cell phone records are the property of Roger Goodell. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #210 on: May 07, 2015, 09:38:08 am »
Brady's Dad and Brady's agent say that Brady was framed and criticise the investigation for not being  impartial...unlike them.  Eh?  Oh.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

Lefty

  • Key Member of the Conspiracy
  • Posts: 3539
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #211 on: May 07, 2015, 09:58:11 am »
"We weren't cheating, but if we were the League should have told us about it before they caught us."
You may ask yourself, "How do I work this?"

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #212 on: May 12, 2015, 05:30:37 pm »
Brady gets a 4-game suspension (twice as long as Ray Rice's initial punishment) and the Pats are fined $1mm and lose 2 picks.

Brady's agent starts flapping his gums and Ted Wells shuts him down pretty hard.

Wells: "I believe the conclusions have been proven. I used the words 'more probable than not' because that is what's in the rules."

Ted Wells said he told Tom Brady that he wouldn't even hold his phone. Would just take printouts. Brady would not provide the information.

Ted Wells says "I believe that to the bottom of my heart" that text messages implicate Tom Brady.

Wells says he has no objections to Don Yee turning over his "copious notes" on Tom Brady interview. Daring him. "He should publish them."
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.

homer

  • Pope
  • Posts: 6509
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2015, 03:40:03 am »
What makes Ray particularly interested in this?
Oye. Vamos, vamos.

Bench

  • Illuminati
  • Posts: 16476
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2015, 10:26:17 am »
Brady gets a 4-game suspension (twice as long as Ray Rice's initial punishment) and the Pats are fined $1mm and lose 2 picks.

Brady's agent starts flapping his gums and Ted Wells shuts him down pretty hard.

Wells: "I believe the conclusions have been proven. I used the words 'more probable than not' because that is what's in the rules."

Ted Wells said he told Tom Brady that he wouldn't even hold his phone. Would just take printouts. Brady would not provide the information.

Ted Wells says "I believe that to the bottom of my heart" that text messages implicate Tom Brady.

Wells says he has no objections to Don Yee turning over his "copious notes" on Tom Brady interview. Daring him. "He should publish them."

I like that they tossed in the fourth round pick just for good measure.  As though the same point wasn't adequately made by just the suspension, fine and first round pick. 
"Holy shit, Mozart. Get me off this fucking thing."

Limey

  • Contributor
  • High Order of the Ferret
  • *****
  • Posts: 32079
  • Tally Ho!
    • View Profile
Re: NFL Playoffs
« Reply #215 on: May 15, 2015, 09:42:57 am »
What makes Ray particularly interested in this?

Innate sense of justice.
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.