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Tal's Hill
« on: October 28, 2014, 09:59:40 am »
Not in favor of removing the hill.  It is one of the best/unique features of MMP, in my opinion.  

Has anyone actually been injured on the hill?  If anything it creates more exciting plays (Berkman's catch, triples, etc.).

Also, having people sit where the visitor's bullpen is now sounds extremely lame.  

http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2014/10/27/astros-to-explore-changing-tals-hill-down-the-road/

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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 10:13:43 am »
I am curious as to what is really behind this.  It seems like they want to get rid of it, then then try to create justifications; a cart before the horse type thing.  First, they promoted the lame injury rationale, now unfocused crap like finding room for an Astros Hall of Fame, gathering spot, or restaurant. 

I'm not a big fan of the pole out there, but I also like the uniqueness of the hill.
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 10:23:22 am »
Quote from: jbm on October 28, 2014, 10:13:43 am
I am curious as to what is really behind this.  It seems like they want to get rid of it, then then try to create justifications; a cart before the horse type thing.  First, they promoted the lame injury rationale, now unfocused crap like finding room for an Astros Hall of Fame, gathering spot, or restaurant. 

I'm not a big fan of the pole out there, but I also like the uniqueness of the hill.

Wasn't the pole removed?
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 10:41:14 am »
Quote from: NeilT on October 28, 2014, 10:23:22 am
Wasn't the pole removed?

Nope.  Still there when I went to a game in CF in August.
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 10:44:44 am »
I favor keeping the hill.
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 10:49:00 am »
good for the highlight reel  keep it
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 11:01:07 am »
Quote from: jbm on October 28, 2014, 10:13:43 am
I am curious as to what is really behind this.  It seems like they want to get rid of it, then then try to create justifications; a cart before the horse type thing.  First, they promoted the lame injury rationale, now unfocused crap like finding room for an Astros Hall of Fame, gathering spot, or restaurant. 

I'm not a big fan of the pole out there, but I also like the uniqueness of the hill.

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Although, tearing something up before it truly becomes an Astros tradition and replacing it to replicate someone else's tradition (copying Yankee Stadium outfield Hall of Fame monuments) is probably the best "nod" to the Astros history there could be.  We can't even keep the same colors for more than a decade.

Again, I am strongly opposed to this and can't imagine whatever they replace it with will be better.
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 11:08:38 am »
Quote from: roadrunner on October 28, 2014, 11:01:07 am
We can't even keep the same colors for more than a decade.

Actually, this keeping of the same uniform or even the same color scheme is a modern phenomenon.  In the old days, teams changed uniforms nearly every year, including changing colors from red and blue to black and white to pink and purple plaid. 
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 11:25:42 am »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 28, 2014, 11:08:38 am
Actually, this keeping of the same uniform or even the same color scheme is a modern phenomenon.  In the old days, teams changed uniforms nearly every year, including changing colors from red and blue to black and white to pink and purple plaid. 

I know there was a lot of information about uniforms in Bill James' Historical Baseball Abstract, but I don't remember anything as to why there were so many uniform changes. It was before selling t-shirts and jerseys became popular, so it wasn't that. Do you have any knowledge as to why they changed so often?
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2014, 11:47:36 am »
Quote from: Ron Brand on October 28, 2014, 11:25:42 am
I know there was a lot of information about uniforms in Bill James' Historical Baseball Abstract, but I don't remember anything as to why there were so many uniform changes. It was before selling t-shirts and jerseys became popular, so it wasn't that. Do you have any knowledge as to why they changed so often?

I think mostly because in the early days, there wasn't this association with a particular look to a particular team.  Team nicknames were evolving, there were no games on TV and ownership, managers and star players were constantly changing.  Teams would often change things up to give the fans a new look each season.  Of course, if a team was successful, they were more likely to keep the same look, and if there was a change in location, nickname, or if the team just had a really bad season, they were more likely to make a change.  But in general, no one seemed to mind.  It wasn't until television that uniform consistency started to become the norm.  If you don't have it, you absolutely MUST go out and get Marc Okkonen's excellent reference book on baseball uniforms.  It's the source for pretty much all online uniform reference, as well as for the HOF. 
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 11:48:36 am »
I don't have it, so thanks and I'll pick it up.
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Re: Tal's Hill
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 04:18:25 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 28, 2014, 11:47:36 am
I think mostly because in the early days, there wasn't this association with a particular look to a particular team.  Team nicknames were evolving, there were no games on TV and ownership, managers and star players were constantly changing.  Teams would often change things up to give the fans a new look each season.  Of course, if a team was successful, they were more likely to keep the same look, and if there was a change in location, nickname, or if the team just had a really bad season, they were more likely to make a change.  But in general, no one seemed to mind.  It wasn't until television that uniform consistency started to become the norm.  If you don't have it, you absolutely MUST go out and get Marc Okkonen's excellent reference book on baseball uniforms.  It's the source for pretty much all online uniform reference, as well as for the HOF. 

I would guess color photography might have played a part, too (along the same lines as television).
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 03:36:17 pm »
How much space would be needed for an Astros Hall of Fame? Couldn't they put it in the area covered by one concession stand?
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 03:45:50 pm »
Quote from: Arky Vaughan on October 29, 2014, 03:36:17 pm
How much space would be needed for an Astros Hall of Fame? Couldn't they put it in the area covered by one concession stand?

Presumably it would be more inclusive than the 10 retired numbers so it can't be that small.

Frankly, I like the trip down memory lane on the Crawford St. concourse.
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 04:42:12 pm »
They could have put it where Larry's Big Bamboo was.... nope, opened another gift store there to sell Yankee crap. 
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Re: Tal's Hill
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2014, 05:10:46 pm »
Quote from: Navin R Johnson on October 29, 2014, 04:42:12 pm
They could have put it where Larry's Big Bamboo was.... nope, opened another gift store there to sell Yankee crap. 

Or they could put Larry's Big Bamboo on Tal's Hill. It wouldn't be in the way much.
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