Drayton's OpEd in the Chron

[Navin R Johnson]

http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/McLane-End-of-broadcast-network-litigation-will-5781429.php

PEW PEW PEW

[BizidyDizidy]

What a piece of work

[Ron Brand]

There's a whole 18-wheeler's load of smoke and mirrors in that one. So, is this McLane agreeing to some givebacks and public support for the settlement so that Crane drops his suit against McLane? If it is, will Crane be happy to let McLane have his little op-ed splash because money talks, or is this Drayton trying to get a dig in even though he's agreed to pay damages in the face of the lawsuit, and Crane may well feel the need to answer publicly?

[Lefty]

...and Crane may well feel the need to answer publicly?

That's worked out well so far.

[Bench]

There's a whole 18-wheeler's load of smoke and mirrors in that one. So, is this McLane agreeing to some givebacks and public support for the settlement so that Crane drops his suit against McLane? If it is, will Crane be happy to let McLane have his little op-ed splash because money talks, or is this Drayton trying to get a dig in even though he's agreed to pay damages in the face of the lawsuit, and Crane may well feel the need to answer publicly?

It seems to me that all he is saying regarding the lawsuit against him by Crane is that he will take on the defense expenses himself rather than enforcing a clause that would require the network to pay for those expenses on his behalf. 

[Dark Star]

There's a whole 18-wheeler's load of smoke and mirrors in that one. So, is this McLane agreeing to some givebacks and public support for the settlement so that Crane drops his suit against McLane? If it is, will Crane be happy to let McLane have his little op-ed splash because money talks, or is this Drayton trying to get a dig in even though he's agreed to pay damages in the face of the lawsuit, and Crane may well feel the need to answer publicly?

"Having spent 19 years immersed trying to build a contender every season up until about 2007 or so, I understand . . . "

Fixed it for you, Draytie.  Oh, and fuck you very much.

We really need a guest op-ed response from pravata/ferret on this one, I think.

[Waldo]

"Finally, contrary to what some have said, we provided a strong farm system to Jim Crane's ownership group."

[Ron Brand]

It seems to me that all he is saying regarding the lawsuit against him by Crane is that he will take on the defense expenses himself rather than enforcing a clause that would require the network to pay for those expenses on his behalf. 

I don't think he'd ever say it out loud, but it seems to imply to me that he's backing the reorganization and the subsequent payout he'd have to make in return for Crane dropping the suit. It gives all parties some cover.

[Navin R Johnson]

Speaking of Drayton, this is interesting from the Ike game.

Greg Lucas ‏@GREGCLUCAS:  "Is there an MLB city that has ill will toward retiring commissioner Selig? Try Houston. Played "Ike" games in Milwaukee...forced move to AL"

Alyson Footer ‏@alysonfooter: "hate to ruin the narrative but the Ike debacle was Drayton's fault. He could not have messed that up more."

I know a lot of folks put 100% of the blame on bud, but actually it was Drayton who F'd that whole thing up and he is the reason the Astros played in Milwaukee, not Bud.

All that being said, FYB.

[BizidyDizidy]

Hmm, I got a lot of shit from our former resident librarian for that opinion at the time.

[chuck]

Hmm, I got a lot of shit from our former resident librarian for that opinion at the time.

He had a strange fealty to Drayton that I could never quite sort out.

[subnuclear]

I think this is the relevant thread if you wish to relive those passionate days of yore.

[BizidyDizidy]

Can't click the link on mobile - how do I come out (I will go in assuming not well)

[NeilT]

Can't click the link on mobile - how do I come out (I will go in assuming not well)

In retrospect just fine, and I'm not usually one to think you would. Drayton probably should have just said no. Milwaukee was a slap in the City's face.

[BizidyDizidy]

Excellent,  now just waiting for Kip Wells' tell-all to come out

[subnuclear]

I've seen threads go worse.

I looked up it up because I couldn't remember what prav was arguing for (playing the games later). I'm not sure that was realistic either, but maybe we can get Footer to explain what was supposed to happen.

[chuck]

Can't click the link on mobile - how do I come out (I will go in assuming not well)

Well. There are still some lackeys around here who would surely make the same arguments. I guess they love the feel of lube on their asshole.

They must be loving the AL.

My biggest takeaway is that there used to be people posting in these forums.

[BizidyDizidy]

I certainly used to post. I wouldn't wholly blame the team for my drop off,  but certainty doesn't help.

[NeilT]

Well. There are still some lackeys around here who would surely make the same arguments. I guess they love the feel of lube on their asshole.

They must be loving the AL.

My biggest takeaway is that there used to be people posting in these forums.

There used to be a team winning games.

[subnuclear]

The compelling Sarah Palin discussion was a draw as well.

[chuck]

I'm going to have to revisit that thread because I can't remember exactly when or how it went completely off the rails.

In the Biz vs pravata thread every post was a sentence or two. And then Noe posted. Four, five paragraphs. Someone will have to let me know if he said anything intelligible.

[BizidyDizidy]

I think we both already know the answer

[Navin R Johnson]

I've seen threads go worse.

I looked up it up because I couldn't remember what prav was arguing for (playing the games later). I'm not sure that was realistic either, but maybe we can get Footer to explain what was supposed to happen.

She told me awhile back, but for the life of me I cant recall the details.  I remember stubbornly trying to still blame it on FYB, just because, but she was pretty clear it was Draytons fault.

[Navin R Johnson]

I think it boiled down to Drayton not wanting to lose the gate money and waiting until the last possible second to make a decision then deciding to go with MKE cause he thought they'd make the most money there.

[subnuclear]

Did she think they could have been postponed? Or did she just think there was a better venue available?

[NeilT]

I'm a pretty optimistic guy, and I remember thinking at the time it would be ok, and then after the game thinking I was an idiot.  I'm not sure there wasn't some of that in Drayton.  I still blame FYB for coming up with that solution.

[roadrunner]

I've never heard the Drayton side of that incident but it makes me despise his final years even more, and really doesn't change how I feel about Bud.

[Mike S.]

This, even more.

[Mr. Happy]

Well. There are still some lackeys around here who would surely make the same arguments. I guess they love the feel of lube on their asshole.

They must be loving the AL.

My biggest takeaway is that there used to be people posting in these forums.

The thread was worth rereading, although I'm not yet all the way through it. When the team starts to win, folks will return.

[Mr. Happy]

I'm going to have to revisit that thread because I can't remember exactly when or how it went completely off the rails.

In the Biz vs pravata thread every post was a sentence or two. And then Noe posted. Four, five paragraphs. Someone will have to let me know if he said anything intelligible.

I just reread the entire thread. The good news is that I didn't get involved: more than likely, manifestation of one of my mantras, which is when in doubt, sit it out. Chuck, I think that you sat that one out too. Pravata destroyed Biz on his own, but MM and VB piled on in the fun and frivolity. Nevertheless, there were some special nuggets in that thread, including the suggestion that someone go to the game dressed as Steve Bartman and something about Mark Cuban whining like a teenage bitch in his blog.