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So who's watching the game tonight?
« on: September 16, 2014, 04:18:00 pm »
It's been a while since a franchise record has been broken where it's a good thing. Go Jose.
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Re: So who's watching the game tonight?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2014, 04:33:59 pm »
Would if I could.


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From the Astros:  Jose Altuve with 209 hits, 42 doubles, 52 steals, 1st to reach those numbers since Ty Cobb in 1917- 225H, 44-2B, 55 steals.

Pretty amazing. And Altuve can end up exceeding Cobb's numbers.


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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 05:58:27 pm »
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Re: So who's watching the game tonight?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 06:34:32 pm »
Would if I could.


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From the Astros:  Jose Altuve with 209 hits, 42 doubles, 52 steals, 1st to reach those numbers since Ty Cobb in 1917- 225H, 44-2B, 55 steals.
Pretty amazing. And Altuve can end up exceeding Cobb's numbers.


Well... Craig Biggio had 210 hits, 51 doubles, and 50 steals - wasn't he the first since Tris Speaker to have 50 2B & 50 SB in the same year? So to make the cutoff 52 steals is some odd cherry-picking.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2014, 06:52:03 pm »
Altuve is having the equivalent of Steve Sax's best season this year. I think he'll be able to do more of this, but let's not break out the Ty Cobb comps just yet. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2014, 07:15:04 pm »
Altuve is having the equivalent of Steve Sax's best season this year. I think he'll be able to do more of this, but let's not break out the Ty Cobb comps just yet. 
Steve Sax did have a hell of a year in '86. He was very good in '89 and '91 too. The other years, he was rather mediocre.

I agree that saying Altuve is like Cobb is silly, but I don't think anybody's really trying to say that.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014, 07:42:12 pm »
Just got home, just tuned it in.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2014, 09:38:08 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2014, 10:50:47 pm »
It was a classy scene, I thought. Nice that Biggio was there and he appeared to be happy for Altuve.
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Re: So who's watching the game tonight?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2014, 08:52:51 am »
Pretty amazing. And Altuve can end up exceeding Cobb's numbers.



Well... Craig Biggio had 210 hits, 51 doubles, and 50 steals - wasn't he the first since Tris Speaker to have 50 2B & 50 SB in the same year? So to make the cutoff 52 steals is some odd cherry-picking.


52 steals isn't cherry picking, it was Altuve's actual total. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 08:54:17 am »
Altuve is having the equivalent of Steve Sax's best season this year. I think he'll be able to do more of this, but let's not break out the Ty Cobb comps just yet. 

No one is comparing Altuve to Cobb. They're pointing out how rare it is for someone to reach those type numbers.
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 09:59:21 am »
52 steals isn't cherry picking, it was Altuve's actual total. 
It is cherry-picking when you're pointing something out using thresholds. The fact that Biggio "only" had 50 steals, not 52, the season that he also had 210 hits and 40+ doubles, is an odd reason to exclude him.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 12:03:55 pm »
It is cherry-picking when you're pointing something out using thresholds. The fact that Biggio "only" had 50 steals, not 52, the season that he also had 210 hits and 40+ doubles, is an odd reason to exclude him.

It was about Altuve and his 52 steals, not Biggio and his 50.  52 is not arbitrary, nor is it a "threshold".  It's Altuve's actual number. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2014, 01:14:11 pm »
It was about Altuve and his 52 steals, not Biggio and his 50.  52 is not arbitrary, nor is it a "threshold".  It's Altuve's actual number. 
Yes, I understand that 52 is how many steals Altuve has. But this statement "Jose Altuve with 209 hits, 42 doubles, 52 steals, 1st to reach those numbers since Ty Cobb in 1917- 225H, 44-2B, 55 steals." is using 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals as thresholds. It's not saying Ty Cobb had exactly 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals, it's saying he had at least that many. What I'm saying is those are cherry-picked thresholds made to make Altuve's season seem extra-special. Which is quite common - teams and sportswriters do it all the time - but I find it bizarre that they put the bar at 52 steals, which excludes Biggio's 1998 season, you know, the one when he set the record that Altuve just broke. Something like "Jose Altuve is just the 4th player in the modern era to collect 200 hits, 40 doubles, and 50 steals in the same season, joining Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, and Craig Biggio" would have been better, in my opinion, and still sounded extremely impressive.

But maybe it's just me that has a problem with cherry-picked thresholds, such as these:
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McHugh won his sixth consecutive decision in a span of seven starts. He has allowed two earned runs or fewer in nine consecutive starts and hasn't walked a batter in his last four starts, a span of 29 1/3 innings. He tied a franchise record by not issuing a walk in four starts of at least six innings.

He joined Cy Young winner Mike Scott (1986), Larry Dierker (1969) and Nolan Ryan (1983) as the only Astros pitchers to allow two runs or fewer in nine consecutive starts. His 2.66 ERA is the lowest by an Astros pitcher (minimum 140 innings) through Sept. 15 of a season since 2005, when Roger Clemens (1.77) and Andy Pettitte (2.43) were leading the team to the World Series.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 01:25:27 pm »
Yes, I understand that 52 is how many steals Altuve has. But this statement "Jose Altuve with 209 hits, 42 doubles, 52 steals, 1st to reach those numbers since Ty Cobb in 1917- 225H, 44-2B, 55 steals." is using 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals as thresholds. It's not saying Ty Cobb had exactly 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals, it's saying he had at least that many. What I'm saying is those are cherry-picked thresholds made to make Altuve's season seem extra-special. Which is quite common - teams and sportswriters do it all the time - but I find it bizarre that they put the bar at 52 steals, which excludes Biggio's 1998 season, you know, the one when he set the record that Altuve just broke. Something like "Jose Altuve is just the 4th player in the modern era to collect 200 hits, 40 doubles, and 50 steals in the same season, joining Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, and Craig Biggio" would have been better, in my opinion, and still sounded extremely impressive.

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 01:41:11 pm »
Yes, I understand that 52 is how many steals Altuve has. But this statement "Jose Altuve with 209 hits, 42 doubles, 52 steals, 1st to reach those numbers since Ty Cobb in 1917- 225H, 44-2B, 55 steals." is using 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals as thresholds. It's not saying Ty Cobb had exactly 209 hits, 42 doubles, and 52 steals, it's saying he had at least that many. What I'm saying is those are cherry-picked thresholds made to make Altuve's season seem extra-special.

And I'm saying those are not "thresholds", those are actual numbers.  Altuve had 52 steals and 42 doubles and no player since Ty Cobb had as many of both in a season.  That's not saying that 52 and 42 are magic numbers, it's saying that it's more than anyone since Ty Cobb has had.  It's also not a dig at Biggio, and I'm not sure why you think it is.

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Which is quite common - teams and sportswriters do it all the time - but I find it bizarre that they put the bar at 52 steals, which excludes Biggio's 1998 season, you know, the one when he set the record that Altuve just broke. Something like "Jose Altuve is just the 4th player in the modern era to collect 200 hits, 40 doubles, and 50 steals in the same season, joining Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, and Craig Biggio" would have been better, in my opinion, and still sounded extremely impressive.

Why would you pick 50 steals as a threshold?  So you can include Biggio?  50 is no more meaningful or impressive than 52, so you're just cherry picking a number.
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2014, 01:42:13 pm »
Why do you torture yourself? You were clear the first two times.

Why are you such an asshole?
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2014, 12:05:58 am »
Why are you such an asshole?

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2014, 06:00:00 am »
What is the threshold for assholery?

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2014, 08:32:16 am »
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2014, 08:52:27 am »
So reading posts, that's okay? Oops.... Dammit.

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2014, 09:21:05 am »
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2014, 09:52:30 am »
wait.. you are supposed to read before posting?
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2014, 09:53:08 am »
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What is the threshold for assholery?

Following me around, contributing nothing of substance, posting only to bite my ankles.
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