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« on: September 02, 2014, 01:53:55 pm »
Europe's lineup is set.  Captain McGinley added Poulter, Gallacher and Westwood to the qualifiers, leaving out Luke Donald.  The full team:

Rory McIlroy (NI)
Henrik Stenson (Swe)
Victor Dubuisson (Fra)
Jamie Donaldson (Wal)
Sergio GarcĂ­a (Sp)
Justin Rose (Eng)
Martin Kaymer (Ger)
Thomas Bjorn (Den)
Graeme McDowell (NI)
Ian Poulter (Eng)
Stephen Gallacher (Scot)
Lee Westwood (Eng)
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Re: 2014 Ryder Cup
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 02:11:11 pm »
FYI, Team USA points leaders to date are:

Bubba WATSON*   6,930.038
Rickie FOWLER*   6,733.253
Jim FURYK*   6,707.694
Jimmy WALKER*   6,111.405
Phil MICKELSON*   5,510.338
Matt KUCHAR*   5,114.665
Jordan SPIETH*   4,835.827
Patrick REED*   3,650.227
Zach JOHNSON*   3,568.694
Jason DUFNER   3,559.720
Ryan MOORE   3,352.872
Brendon TODD   3,343.383
Keegan BRADLEY   3,324.698
Chris KIRK   3,287.883
Webb SIMPSON   3,155.570

* Top 9 automatically qualify, next three are Captain's picks.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 02:16:00 pm »
I thought Dufner was on the DL

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 02:57:49 pm »
I thought Dufner was on the DL

Might be.  He's just amassed enough points to be sitting 10th.  Of course, if he's not playing, he stall outside the automatic places and so it's all moot for him.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 04:25:38 pm »
You would have to think that Bradley and Mahan are locks if Watson credits their past Ryder Cup performances. The last spot is just a wild guess. In any event, it is shaping up to be a major ass kicking by the euros.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 04:36:35 pm »
Anything can happen at the Ryder Cup.  No one should ever be favored, except maybe Poulter. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 04:39:49 pm »
I hope that I am way wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2014, 07:17:33 am »
I hope that I am way wrong.

I don't think you are.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 10:43:51 am »
Anything can happen at the Ryder Cup.  No one should ever be favored, except maybe Poulter

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2014, 10:10:23 am »
U.S. up 2 1/2 to 1 1/2 after morning four ball. Clutch putts on 18 by Walker and Mickelsen add up to 1 1/2 points. Speith and Reed romp in the morning and are benched for the afternoon. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2014, 12:33:35 pm »
Afternoon not looking as good...
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2014, 01:48:30 pm »
Walker and Fowler keep the U.S. from falling too far behind by taking 1 1/2 out of 2 points going head to head against No. 1 and No. 3 in world rankings. They could have had the whole two points except for a terrific putt by McElroy on 17 and a great second shot by Garcia on 18.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2014, 10:01:10 pm »
Walker and Fowler keep the U.S. from falling too far behind by taking 1 1/2 out of 2 points going head to head against No. 1 and No. 3 in world rankings. They could have had the whole two points except for a terrific putt by McElroy on 17 and a great second shot by Garcia on 18.

...and then it all went quiet. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2014, 06:49:52 am »
...and then it all went quiet. 

Well, there wasn't a lot of doubt about what was going to happen.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2014, 07:45:35 am »
The final score was a route, but the American team had plenty of chances to make it a closer match, and put some pressure on the Euros.   

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2014, 09:17:43 am »
The final score was a route, but the American team had plenty of chances to make it a closer match, and put some pressure on the Euros.   

Johnny Miller offered a quite stunning statistic during Sunday's play (when things were still far from settled):  of the last 31 singles matches that had gone up the 18th, the U.S. had taken a full point in only 3.  There had been a lot of talk about how the Euros just seem to be able to finish matches, and this is about as glaring example of this phenomenon as I can imagine.

This year, 5 matches went up the 18th, and the U.S. took a full point in only 1 of them, when Stenson missed a 4-footer for the half*.  FTR, Europe took only 1 win too (Garcia 1-up over Furyk) and the other three were halved.  However, the halves were matches that the U.S. really need to, and in many cases, should have, won.  Rose won 18 to halve Mahan (who had been 4-up at one point) and Poulter likewise won 18 for the half with Simpson.  The other half came when Johnson beat Dubuisson on 18 long after the cup was gone.

A stronger finish by Furyk, Mahan and Simpson, and the score becomes 15-13.  If Speith doesn't have a rookie-meltdown, it's 14-14 and then you only need to have turned one other loss into a half, and it's U.S.A's cup.  A lot of would-shoulda-coulda there, but if Team USA doesn't get better at closing out matches**, then Europe's domination of the tournament is going to continue.


* Which gave Reed the full point, which was hardly backing up his less-than endearing "Shh" to the crowd earlier in the round.


** I once read an article by Nick Faldo in which he wrote about his philosophy for Ryder Cup match play: you try to put your tee shot in the fairway, and then you try to hole every other shot after that.  You put your boot on your opponent's throat, and you don't let up until he's dead.  Even with a big lead, you keep squeezing the life out of him because, until he's dead, he can always come back at you.  That's a brutal philosophy from a seemingly gentle man, but it seems to be the one that is ingrained in Team Euro, and not in Team USA.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2014, 09:35:59 am »
That's a brutal philosophy from a seemingly gentle man, but it seems to be the one that is ingrained in Team Euro, and not in Team USA.

There's a lot about the Ryder Cup that's ingrained into the Euros and not into the US.  It's a much bigger deal for the Euros, for example, not to mention the fact that you've got to recruit a whole continent to compete. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2014, 09:37:01 am »
It does seem like the Americans badly need a more competitive attitude.  Witness Mahan's smiling interview after butchering 18 at a critical juncture.

I see this morning that some of the Americans weren't so pleased with Watson.  

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2014, 09:42:44 am »
It does seem like the Americans badly need a more competitive attitude.  Witness Mahan's smiling interview after butchering 18 at a critical juncture.

I see this morning that some of the Americans weren't so pleased with Watson.  

Most of the Euros are still upset about that Treaty of Paris thing.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2014, 09:59:36 am »
There's a lot about the Ryder Cup that's ingrained into the Euros and not into the US.  It's a much bigger deal for the Euros, for example, not to mention the fact that you've got to recruit a whole continent to compete. 

You want we add Canada and Mexico to Team North America?
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2014, 10:01:51 am »
Most of the Euros are still upset about that Treaty of Paris thing.

I was just in Boston this weekend, and got a strong sense of a thin skin about certain things.  The Massacre?  5 people?  In self-defense?  I think 5 people probably died the same day from consumption and another 5 from VD, but I doubt they'd call those an epidemic.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 10:02:12 am »
You want we add Canada and Mexico to Team North America?

Actually, we just want to take on Denmark.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2014, 10:06:27 am »
I was just in Boston this weekend, and got a strong sense of a thin skin about certain things.  The Massacre?  5 people?  In self-defense?  I think 5 people probably died the same day from consumption and another 5 from VD, but I doubt they'd call those an epidemic.

Boy you *do* have a thin skin.  Just relax and be glad you're not responsible for New Jersey anymore.  
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2014, 11:58:18 am »
Not to interrupt the trash talk, but Lefty needs to STFU.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2014, 01:01:33 pm »
Mickelson's critique is kind of bad form, but after I heard the clip, it wasn't as pointed and stinging as portrayed.  That being said, his criticism ignores the fact that each player must step up and win their match, regardless of captain's strategy. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2014, 03:25:42 pm »
Mickelson's critique is kind of bad form, but after I heard the clip, it wasn't as pointed and stinging as portrayed.  That being said, his criticism ignores the fact that each player must step up and win their match, regardless of captain's strategy. 

Mickleson reached back past two other captains, in addition to Watson, to praise the approach of the winning Captain in 2008.  I think the Watson rebuke part was a meme created by the press who had been trying to stir up trouble and sow discontent all week long.  A cynic might think that the press, having gone all Stillman on the U.S. team for weeks / months now, kind of needed the team to lose otherwise they'd look like bigger pricks than they actually are.

Also, the meme completely overlooks the fact that the Lefty / Bradley combo got pretty well handled by McDowell / Dubuisson on Friday afternoon, and that Lefty is 44, overweight, and needed a crazy late charge in his singles not to get beaten by some bloke that no one had ever heard of before (while Bradley got pretty well smoked by another Euro rookie).  Had Mickleson played Saturday after 36 holes on Friday, he may not have had that late charge in him.  Mickleson had not been a steamroller like Rose or Reed, so I don't see why Watson can be criticised* for resting him Saturday.  But then, it's not my job to bait clicks.


* If you want to nitpick Watson, IMHO it would be for persisting with the hapless Fowler and for picking Bradley and Simpson but then barely using them.  Neither played that well, so maybe they shouldn't have been there and could have been replaced with, say, Kirk and Horschel.  (FWIW, the Euro picks played more, but with limited success - getting a 1/2 point between them in the singles while the U.S. trio got two 1/2 points).
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2014, 07:41:47 pm »
Can you imagine being paired with Bubba Watson in foursomes? "I guess I'll be seeing some new parts of the course today."
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