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Re: Texans 2014...underway
« Reply #500 on: December 15, 2014, 03:42:51 pm »
It sucks that neither Mallett nor Savage got much of an audition, as it doesn't shed any light on how badly the club needs to pursue a QB in the off-season.

How bad they need to pursue a QB is lit up like the fucking sun. Mallett showed you enough to bring him back though.
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« Reply #501 on: December 15, 2014, 03:46:27 pm »
That they need one is lit up, not how badly, IMO.  Do you need one so badly that you trade up to go for a college guy or just need one badly enough to seek another Fitz/Hoyer type retread?

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« Reply #502 on: December 15, 2014, 03:53:34 pm »
That they need one is lit up, not how badly, IMO.  Do you need one so badly that you trade up to go for a college guy or just need one badly enough to seek another Fitz/Hoyer type retread?

I guess if you're still uncertain as to whether or not the Texans need a QB, and that they'd be fine with Fitzpatrick, I'm not quite sure what to say.
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« Reply #503 on: December 15, 2014, 04:03:05 pm »
They need a lot of players, and it's not clear to me that either of the two college guys are worth losing assets to move up in the draft.  So, it's still unclear to me what they should do.  What action does your absolute clarity offer, other than the obvious observation that Fitz ain't it?

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« Reply #504 on: December 15, 2014, 04:31:50 pm »
They need a lot of players, and it's not clear to me that either of the two college guys are worth losing assets to move up in the draft.  So, it's still unclear to me what they should do.  What action does your absolute clarity offer, other than the obvious observation that Fitz ain't it?

That the Texans need a QB. It's the most glaring need of any team in professional sports.
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« Reply #505 on: December 15, 2014, 06:25:03 pm »
Well, at least the playoff ticket option has been removed from the account manager.  There's that.
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« Reply #506 on: December 15, 2014, 08:36:17 pm »
They need a lot of players, and it's not clear to me that either of the two college guys are worth losing assets to move up in the draft.  So, it's still unclear to me what they should do.  What action does your absolute clarity offer, other than the obvious observation that Fitz ain't it?

If they move up for Jameis Winston, I'm going to start pulling for a different team.
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« Reply #507 on: December 18, 2014, 03:32:50 pm »
I'm in the extreme minority, but I actually think the NFL as a product has become very trite.  What are the notable football-related storylines this season?  The Arizona Cardinals success?  The shittiness of the NFC South?  Aaron Rodgers? 

None of those are interesting.  The memorable moments are all domestic abuse related.



Finally, someone more intelligible than me puts this into a column.

http://deadspin.com/this-has-been-the-worst-season-in-nfl-history-1672165851

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« Reply #508 on: December 18, 2014, 09:50:53 pm »
Finally, someone more intelligible than me puts this into a column.

http://deadspin.com/this-has-been-the-worst-season-in-nfl-history-1672165851


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« Reply #509 on: December 18, 2014, 11:12:18 pm »
This was funny:

Works best if you read it in Phil Simms' voice.
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« Reply #510 on: December 19, 2014, 07:35:54 am »
Works best if you read it in Phil Simms' voice.

I read it in Grudenese

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« Reply #511 on: December 19, 2014, 08:16:08 am »
I keep waiting to hear that the Texans have worked out a trade with the Bears for Cutler. It seems so... perfect for the Texans. And by perfect I mean idiotic.
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« Reply #512 on: December 19, 2014, 08:18:34 am »
I keep waiting to hear that the Texans have worked out a trade with the Bears for Cutler. It seems so... perfect for the Texans. And by perfect I mean idiotic.

The contract is pretty tough to overcome.

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« Reply #513 on: December 19, 2014, 09:12:21 am »
I read it in Grudenese

Football commentators have A LOT of dead space to fill.  Hence the need to use 30 words when 5 will do.

The problem is that this necessary verbal diarrhea from football has infected pretty much everything else, and now everyone with a mic believes that the sound of their voice is what we tune in for, so they never STFU and let the pictures (worth a thousands words, right?) speak for themselves.
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« Reply #514 on: December 19, 2014, 09:45:25 am »
Football commentators have A LOT of dead space to fill.  Hence the need to use 30 words when 5 will do.

The problem is that this necessary verbal diarrhea from football has infected pretty much everything else, and now everyone with a mic believes that the sound of their voice is what we tune in for, so they never STFU and let the pictures (worth a thousands words, right?) speak for themselves.

Agreed, which is why soccer coverage is generally great.

It's one of the reasons I like Joe Buck so much, too.  He doesn't seem to talk if it's unnecessary.

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« Reply #515 on: December 19, 2014, 09:56:13 am »
Agreed, which is why soccer coverage is generally great.

It's one of the reasons I like Joe Buck so much, too.  He doesn't seem to talk if it's unnecessary.


I admit to liking the Buck/Aikman duo when they are covering games.   Generally pleasant to listen to and fairly intelligent discussions.

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« Reply #516 on: December 19, 2014, 10:15:12 am »
I admit to liking the Buck/Aikman duo when they are covering games.   Generally pleasant to listen to and fairly intelligent discussions.

They are good, but I have found that I like Albert, Johnston and Siragusa even better.
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« Reply #517 on: December 19, 2014, 10:30:53 am »
They are good, but I have found that I like Albert, Johnston and Siragusa even better.

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« Reply #518 on: December 19, 2014, 12:00:08 pm »
Football commentators have A LOT of dead space to fill.  Hence the need to use 30 words when 5 will do.

The problem is that this necessary verbal diarrhea from football has infected pretty much everything else, and now everyone with a mic believes that the sound of their voice is what we tune in for, so they never STFU and let the pictures (worth a thousands words, right?) speak for themselves.

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« Reply #519 on: December 21, 2014, 11:13:13 am »
Keenum is starting?

I hope he's overcome the desire to run straight backwards for a 17 yard sack. 
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« Reply #520 on: December 21, 2014, 11:44:33 am »
I hope flaky-ass Foster is healthy and starting, last year, and in the preseason this year, Keenum never had the benefit of a good running back. If Foster can run effectively, I don't think there will be too many 17 yard loss sacks.
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« Reply #521 on: December 21, 2014, 12:02:33 pm »
I hope he's overcome the desire to run straight backwards for a 17 yard sack. 

I think he's lost a step or two. He probably won't make it further than 15 yards or so.
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« Reply #522 on: December 21, 2014, 01:00:11 pm »
The Texans defense is playing as though Kubiak is a predictable play caller
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« Reply #523 on: December 21, 2014, 01:07:51 pm »
It sure is enjoyable watching Kubiak and his befuddled expression on the *other* sideline.
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« Reply #524 on: December 21, 2014, 01:21:04 pm »
It sure is enjoyable watching Kubiak and his befuddled expression on the *other* sideline.

When I read this, I looked up and they cut to the camera on Kubiak. Wow, another interception. Another field goal opportunity!
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« Reply #525 on: December 21, 2014, 01:30:54 pm »
Ohhh, nice play! Halfback pass for a touchdown! Hell of a play by Foster.
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« Reply #526 on: December 21, 2014, 01:47:51 pm »
Just 31 yards in the first half, haven't crossed midfield once.
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« Reply #527 on: December 21, 2014, 01:49:04 pm »
It's not over yet, Kubiak's halftime adjustments are looming.
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« Reply #528 on: December 21, 2014, 01:58:10 pm »
It's not over yet, Kubiak's halftime adjustments are looming.

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« Reply #529 on: December 21, 2014, 01:59:17 pm »
Ohhh, nice play! Halfback pass for a touchdown! Hell of a play by Foster.

That play was tremendous. Even from the TV view, it was sold so well that I thought it was a busted run right up until he took that step back and started to throw.

ETA: Kubiak was probably on the other sideline muttering "You can do that?"
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« Reply #530 on: December 21, 2014, 02:03:20 pm »
This just in: this turf is terrible.

That was a nice play for the two Texans on punt coverage to take each out.
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« Reply #531 on: December 21, 2014, 02:11:29 pm »
These fuckwits have let this palm-licking dickbrain back in the game. If they don't start running the regular offense rather than this junior high wildcat bullshit they're going to let the Ravens win.
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« Reply #532 on: December 21, 2014, 02:12:21 pm »
This just in: this turf is terrible.

That was a nice play for the two Texans on punt coverage to take each out.

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« Reply #533 on: December 21, 2014, 02:23:00 pm »
The shitty turf strikes again but this time to the benefit of the Texans.
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« Reply #534 on: December 21, 2014, 02:28:08 pm »
Red Zone play calling is palm-licker fucked up and stupid.
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« Reply #535 on: December 21, 2014, 02:29:34 pm »
Red Zone play calling is palm-licker fucked up and stupid.
Running the 5th string qb out there has nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #536 on: December 21, 2014, 02:49:35 pm »
Running the 5th string qb out there has nothing to do with it.

I think the quarterback is perfectly capable of handing the ball off to #23. Calling slants and outs to receivers at the three yard line is not a function of an inexperienced or unfamiliar quarterback. Fuck. Are you even watching the game?
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« Reply #537 on: December 21, 2014, 02:57:07 pm »
I haven't enjoyed watching a Texans' game this much in a long time. The fact that they're screwing the Ravens just makes it that much sweeter.
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« Reply #538 on: December 21, 2014, 03:04:20 pm »
It took Randy the kicker about 4/5 of his first season to shake the rookie jitters, but he's been pretty good in the interim.
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« Reply #539 on: December 21, 2014, 03:15:00 pm »
It took Randy the kicker about 4/5 of his first season to shake the rookie jitters, but he's been pretty good in the interim.

Still scares the shit out of me. Maybe 5 years from now I'll think of him as money.
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« Reply #540 on: December 21, 2014, 03:28:26 pm »
Imagine how much different this season would look if Dez Bryant hadn't made that ridiculous OT grab against the Texans.
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« Reply #541 on: December 21, 2014, 03:30:07 pm »
Still scares the shit out of me. Maybe 5 years from now I'll think of him as money.

Yeah, on second thought, I retract my statement.
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« Reply #542 on: December 21, 2014, 03:39:04 pm »
Ok, I'm a little afraid to ask this question: should I be pulling for the Cowboys against the Colts?
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« Reply #543 on: December 21, 2014, 03:40:05 pm »
I was relieved that this time the San Antonio CBS station didn't cut away from the Texans game once the Cowboys game started.
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« Reply #544 on: December 21, 2014, 03:40:53 pm »
We've identified an OC that Crennel is smarter than.

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« Reply #545 on: December 21, 2014, 03:45:37 pm »
I think the quarterback is perfectly capable of handing the ball off to #23. Calling slants and outs to receivers at the three yard line is not a function of an inexperienced or unfamiliar quarterback. Fuck. Are you even watching the game?

Yeah, but can you read a defense.  Fuck.

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« Reply #546 on: December 21, 2014, 03:46:30 pm »
Ok, I'm a little afraid to ask this question: should I be pulling for the Cowboys against the Colts?

Yes.
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« Reply #547 on: December 21, 2014, 04:19:49 pm »
Yes.

Well, mission accomplished there, I guess.
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« Reply #548 on: December 21, 2014, 04:20:01 pm »
Yes.

What the fuck?  Why would you ever want the Cowboys to ever win another game?
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« Reply #549 on: December 21, 2014, 04:25:26 pm »
I don't get the play-calling criticism or the criticism of Crenel. This team is not deeply talented, with a fourth string QB. The fact that they are decidedly average is a sign of quality coaching.

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« Reply #550 on: December 21, 2014, 04:26:08 pm »
What the fuck?  Why would you ever want the Cowboys to ever win another game?

I can only think of a few scenarios. But I also don't harbor the same amount of hate for them as you.
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« Reply #551 on: December 21, 2014, 04:29:58 pm »
Given the wretched "quality" of their division, the Cowboys are a lock for a playoff position, so if there's a possibility of fucking up the Colts, we might as well pull for them now. They'll screw the pooch soon enough.
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« Reply #552 on: December 21, 2014, 04:35:43 pm »
Hey, wait, I got Fleener on my FFB team. I need him to catch a touchdown. Fuck the Cowboys!!!
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« Reply #553 on: December 21, 2014, 05:00:09 pm »
Hey, wait, I got Fleener on my FFB team. I need him to catch a touchdown. Fuck the Cowboys!!!

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« Reply #554 on: December 21, 2014, 06:23:15 pm »
Given the wretched "quality" of their division, the Cowboys are a lock for a playoff position, so if there's a possibility of fucking up the Colts, we might as well pull for them now. They'll screw the pooch soon enough.

They swept your division, so should you be judging other divisions?
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« Reply #555 on: December 21, 2014, 06:58:45 pm »
They swept your division, so should you be judging other divisions?

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« Reply #556 on: December 21, 2014, 07:00:49 pm »
They swept your division, so should you be judging other divisions?

and, if the NFC East is "wretched" WTF is the AFC South?

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« Reply #557 on: December 21, 2014, 08:26:45 pm »
and, if the NFC East is "wretched" WTF is the AFC South?

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« Reply #558 on: December 21, 2014, 10:22:53 pm »
and, if the NFC East is "wretched" WTF is the AFC South?

Not the NFC South?
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« Reply #559 on: December 22, 2014, 08:46:45 am »
I don't get the play-calling criticism or the criticism of Crenel. This team is not deeply talented, with a fourth string QB. The fact that they are decidedly average is a sign of quality coaching.

The problems with play calling have been glaring at times.  Yesterday's game, as good as they played, had a couple of examples, none more glaring than the end of the first half.  The Texans got the ball back at their own 23 with a 16-point lead, 51 seconds left in the half, and Baltimore with only one timeout.  Baltimore gets the ball to start the 2nd half...you have to end the first half with a two touchdown lead and the ball.  You cannot give the ball back to them to get points and momentum in the waning seconds of the half.  Yet, what did they do?  Manage to run a whole 26 seconds off the clock and give the ball back to the Ravens.  Inexcusable on O'Brien's part.  It's the same bullshit he pulled at the end of the first half in Pittsburgh, only that time it cost them the game.  Now the Texans will likely not make the playoffs because of O'Brien's situational play calling stupidity. 

As for Crennel, I thought his scheme was brilliant yesterday, even though the Ravens appeared shocked that the Texans actually bothered to show up. 
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« Reply #560 on: December 22, 2014, 09:05:43 am »
Now the Texans will likely not make the playoffs because of O'Brien's situational play calling stupidity. 
Yes, it has nothing to do with mediocre talent or terrible QB play, it's those plays at the end of the half in one game. 

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« Reply #561 on: December 22, 2014, 09:11:40 am »
Yes, it has nothing to do with mediocre talent or terrible QB play, it's those plays at the end of the half in one game.  

The coach has the responsibility to put them in position to win and not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  When he fails miserably at that, he shoulders blame too.  
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« Reply #562 on: December 22, 2014, 09:30:05 am »
I know the theme of this thread is to second-guess every decision O'Brien makes in games, but I actually think he's done a great job this year.

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« Reply #563 on: December 22, 2014, 09:56:07 am »
The coach has the responsibility to put them in position to win and not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  When he fails miserably at that, he shoulders blame too.  

But he's not the sole reason as was implied.  Anyone can go to a number of games and point out errors - AJ fumble against Indy, blown execution of coverages in a number of games, Mallet playing hurt against the Bengals - not telling someone....those are just off the top of my head.  And for anyone to think the Texans would have a chance in week 17 to make the playoffs with Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm when the season started.  A league average QB would have beat the Cowboys or Colts.

All that being said - I'll be a big fan of the Chiefs and Browns next weekend.
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« Reply #564 on: December 22, 2014, 10:29:11 am »
I'll be a big fan of the Chiefs and Browns next weekend.

Me too!  Especially as the Browns are back with Hoyer at QB, so I don't have to root for the odious Johnny Pickball.
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« Reply #565 on: December 22, 2014, 10:47:19 am »
But he's not the sole reason as was implied.

The discussion was the validity of the criticism of O'Brien's play calling at various times.  I was giving you guys the benefit of the doubt that you understood hyperbole to make a point without having to be literal and everything having to be explained at the simplest level in excruciating detail.  My mistake.
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« Reply #566 on: December 22, 2014, 10:50:57 am »
I know the theme of this thread is to second-guess every decision O'Brien makes in games, but I actually think he's done a great job this year.

No, this thread is to discuss the 2014 Texans in general.  Criticism of the coach is but one topic.  It's a valid discussion, irrespective of the QB situation, and perhaps specifically in light of it.
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« Reply #567 on: December 28, 2014, 12:40:42 pm »
Anyone know why Fox is doing AFC broadcasts this year? Texans fans in San Antonio are getting screwed by this for the second time this season.
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« Reply #568 on: December 28, 2014, 12:57:07 pm »
Anyone know why Fox is doing AFC broadcasts this year? Texans fans in San Antonio are getting screwed by this for the second time this season.

Jacksonville is NFC, road teams determine which network has broadcast rights in inter-conference play. Cowboys always trump Texans in SA and Austin when they play at the same time on the same network.
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« Reply #569 on: December 28, 2014, 12:57:47 pm »
Anyone know why Fox is doing AFC broadcasts this year? Texans fans in San Antonio are getting screwed by this for the second time this season.

Part of the flex program.  Why they picked the Texans I don't know.

My question is why the FUCK is Key Martin still on this team?!?!
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« Reply #570 on: December 28, 2014, 12:59:22 pm »
Jacksonville is NFC, road teams determine which network has broadcast rights in inter-conference play. Cowboys always trump Texans in SA and Austin when they play at the same time on the same network.

I don't even know how to respond to this...
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« Reply #571 on: December 28, 2014, 01:02:28 pm »
This way...

Wait? Jacksonville in in the NFC?!?! Who knew?
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« Reply #572 on: December 28, 2014, 01:38:36 pm »
What is the point of moving the game to Fox?  It just amounts to banishing the Texans in non-Houston markets. The NFL is getting real stupid.

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« Reply #573 on: December 28, 2014, 02:25:15 pm »
They flexed the Atlanta/Carolina game to 3:00pm and had to trade the Texans game to Fox or something like that.

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« Reply #574 on: December 28, 2014, 08:08:44 pm »
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« Reply #575 on: December 29, 2014, 05:05:10 am »
Browns may be moving on from Johnny Fuckup.

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« Reply #576 on: December 29, 2014, 08:55:13 am »
Browns may be moving on from Johnny Fuckup.


They think they can trade Manziel?  They're more deluded than I thought.  He'll be lucky to get a job on a practice squad.
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« Reply #577 on: December 29, 2014, 09:00:37 am »
Jacksonville is NFC, road teams determine which network has broadcast rights in inter-conference play. Cowboys always trump Texans in SA and Austin when they play at the same time on the same network.
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Only when the Texans are at home.  For Texans road games, secondary markets are required to show them.  Or something like that.  The NFL has fucked up broadcast rules. 

At any rate, someone mentioned the NFL moving the Carolina/Atlanta game as part of their flex program, and that's why they had to switch networks with the Texans/Jags.  The world don't wanna miss two crappy 6-win teams battling for a playoff spot.
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« Reply #578 on: December 29, 2014, 09:05:55 am »
They think they can trade Manziel?  They're more deluded than I thought.  He'll be lucky to get a job on a practice squad.

Manziel will be the Browns' no. 1 QB heading into camp.  Whether anyone beats him out of it or he parties his way out of it remains to be seen.  I suspect he doesn't really give a shit either way. 
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« Reply #579 on: December 29, 2014, 09:22:22 am »
I suspect he doesn't really give a shit either way. 

The time to not give a shit is after you get off your rookie contract, not before. Not that anybody's ever accused him of being too bright.
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« Reply #580 on: December 29, 2014, 09:40:37 am »
The time to not give a shit is after you get off your rookie contract, not before. Not that anybody's ever accused him of being too bright.

He's already made $100MM in endorsements.  He doesn't give a shit about contract money. 
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« Reply #581 on: December 29, 2014, 09:55:05 am »
He's already made $100MM in endorsements.  

Panini must have sold a helluva lot of football cards and autographed helmets.

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« Reply #582 on: December 29, 2014, 10:00:43 am »
Panini must have sold a helluva lot of football cards and autographed helmets.

Not sure what a sandwich has to do with anything, but I read somewhere that his Nike deal alone was over $60MM.  Snickers was another eight figures, plus quite a few more.  And I'm sure he's made a pretty penny from his autograph too.  Word is he mad around $2MM his last year at A&M on autographs. 
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« Reply #584 on: December 29, 2014, 11:14:58 am »
As serious as the NFL takes itself, it sure looks illogical with its playoff structure.  Arizona at Carolina has to be the worst playoff matchup I can remember.  I think there are 14 teams better than those 2 at this point.

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« Reply #585 on: December 29, 2014, 11:26:29 am »
As serious as the NFL takes itself, it sure looks illogical with its playoff structure.  Arizona at Carolina has to be the worst playoff matchup I can remember.  I think there are 14 teams better than those 2 at this point.

You're right.  It would be far better and more accurate to have a committee of a dozen or so informed members evaluate all the teams based upon their enlightened criteria and decide who should make the playoffs.  
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« Reply #586 on: December 29, 2014, 11:28:29 am »
You're right.  It would be far better and more accurate to have a committee of a dozen or so informed members evaluate all the teams based upon their enlightened criteria and decide who should make the playoffs.  

Or maybe a computer. One that's programmed to take interesting story lines into account.
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« Reply #587 on: December 29, 2014, 11:59:56 am »
You're right.  It would be far better and more accurate to have a committee of a dozen or so informed members evaluate all the teams based upon their enlightened criteria and decide who should make the playoffs.  

A simple caveat requiring a winning record to make the playoffs would fix this.

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« Reply #588 on: December 29, 2014, 12:28:56 pm »
Or maybe a computer. One that's programmed to take interesting story lines into account.

Hell, just let Goodell decide.  He's got a strong record of reasoned and fair decision making.
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« Reply #589 on: December 29, 2014, 12:30:47 pm »
A simple caveat requiring a winning record to make the playoffs would fix this.

I guess they could do away with divisions, add two expansion teams (London and LA?) and have everyone in each conference play each other and take the top 6 from each conference.
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« Reply #590 on: December 29, 2014, 12:57:30 pm »
I guess they could do away with divisions, add two expansion teams (London and LA?) and have everyone in each conference play each other and take the top 6 from each conference.

Have team six and team seven play a thirty minute game to determine who advances and then figure out how to make the Pro Bowl affect the Super Bowl and then I think we'd have story lines a-plenty.
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« Reply #591 on: December 29, 2014, 01:00:55 pm »
Have team six and team seven play a thirty minute game to determine who advances and then figure out how to make the Pro Bowl affect the Super Bowl and then I think we'd have story lines a-plenty.

As much as I hate Selig, I'm a fan of the current MLB format. You just have to look at the 1-game playoff as a punishment for the first wild card team for not winning their division.

The All Star Game outcome affecting WS home field is still ridiculous, though.

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« Reply #592 on: December 29, 2014, 01:13:29 pm »
A simple caveat requiring a winning record to make the playoffs would fix this.

"Fix" it?  There's nothing wrong with it.  You've divided the league into divisions.  Your playoff system states that division winners compete in the playoffs.  That's what's happening.  I get that you don't care to see Carolina, but the system is not broken.
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« Reply #593 on: December 29, 2014, 01:28:41 pm »
...figure out how to make the Pro Bowl affect the Super Bowl and then I think we'd have story lines a-plenty.

It still blows me away that having the all star game decide home field advantage in the world series was ever seriously considered at all, much less still in effect lo these many years. It is surely one of the stupidest rules in sports.   
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« Reply #594 on: December 29, 2014, 01:47:28 pm »
And I'm sure he's made a pretty penny from his autograph too.  Word is he mad around $2MM his last year at A&M on autographs. 

I'm pretty sure he was dirty at A&M. But $2MM would seem to be hard to hide, even if his family's wealth probably gives him more avenues for hiding income than are available to the average player. There were people investigating him who really wanted to nail him, and they couldn't do it. I think $2MM would have left too big a trail for those folks to miss.
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« Reply #595 on: December 29, 2014, 01:51:17 pm »
"Fix" it?  There's nothing wrong with it.  You've divided the league into divisions.  Your playoff system states that division winners compete in the playoffs.  That's what's happening.  I get that you don't care to see Carolina, but the system is not broken.

I'd argue that a team with a losing record hosting a playoff game is a broken system.

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« Reply #596 on: December 29, 2014, 01:52:50 pm »
I'd argue that a team with a losing record hosting a playoff game is a broken system.

If you have divisions, then the division winner needs to be in the playoffs. It would be broken to win your division and not be in the playoffs. 
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« Reply #597 on: December 29, 2014, 01:56:09 pm »
I'd argue that a team with a losing record hosting a playoff game is a broken system.

I'd argue that as long as it's a division winner, the system worked exactly as designed. 
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« Reply #598 on: December 29, 2014, 01:57:36 pm »
If you have divisions, then the division winner needs to be in the playoffs. It would be broken to win your division and not be in the playoffs. 

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« Reply #599 on: December 29, 2014, 02:02:09 pm »
It is a completely predictable that you would have an occasionally below .500 division winner with 8 4-team divisions. It might occasionally happen with 6 5 team divisions.

I bet it didn't come up at all during the discussions because those are not the numbers they care about.

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« Reply #600 on: December 29, 2014, 02:18:09 pm »
"Fix" it?  There's nothing wrong with it.  You've divided the league into divisions.  Your playoff system states that division winners compete in the playoffs.  That's what's happening.  I get that you don't care to see Carolina, but the system is not broken.

Exactly.

If you want to make the playoffs, win your division.  If you fail to do that, there is the 2nd chance of a wild card spot, but that's it.  This isn't the first time that a hopeless team has made the playoffs.
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« Reply #601 on: December 29, 2014, 03:02:43 pm »
It is a completely predictable that you would have an occasionally below .500 division winner with 8 4-team divisions. It might occasionally happen with 6 5 team divisions.

I bet it didn't come up at all during the discussions because those are not the numbers they care about.

It nearly happened with the 2005 Padres.  The won their division comfortably with only 82 wins and had to win five out of their last six just to get to 82. 
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« Reply #602 on: December 30, 2014, 08:24:45 am »
Ok I guess what I'm saying is the *structure* is broken...not the *system*.  Is that more accurate?  Feels like we're parsing here....

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« Reply #603 on: December 30, 2014, 08:50:39 am »
I remember about 10 years ago that an Irish guy was telling me that MLS was doomed because they adopted the American season-playoff structure versus the Euro competition structure where you have separate elimination play and season play going on simultaneously (or whatever is going on, I don't really follow Euro sports). MLS seems to be doing ok despite this, but it is a little weird that we have settled on this one way of organizing sports leagues.

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« Reply #604 on: December 30, 2014, 08:58:53 am »
I remember about 10 years ago that an Irish guy was telling me that MLS was doomed because they adopted the American season-playoff structure versus the Euro competition structure where you have separate elimination play and season play going on simultaneously (or whatever is going on, I don't really follow Euro sports). MLS seems to be doing ok despite this, but it is a little weird that we have settled on this one way of organizing sports leagues.

Europe has moved away from the separation of league and knock-out play, notably for the big money Champions League that features a combination of both (mostly as a vehicle to have more games so as to make more money - which is why you can finish 4th in the Premier League and still play in the Champions League).  The domestic league title in all cases is still decided purely on league play, but lower divisions have a playoff system for promotion.

What US sports get by having a combined league and knock-out system does do, though, is teams being a champion of their own division even though they may have the 4th, 5th, 6th or worse season record overall.  I still don't understand the logic of Uncle Drayton claiming the Astros to be Wild Card "Champions" *, but winning your division has more cache than earning a place in next season's Europa League.

* Full disclosure: Crystal Palace received a trophy for finishing 6th but winning the promotion playoffs in 2013.
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« Reply #605 on: December 30, 2014, 09:59:43 am »
Ok I guess what I'm saying is the *structure* is broken...not the *system*.  Is that more accurate?  Feels like we're parsing here....

We're not parsing.  You're the only one who has a problem with Carolina being in the playoffs. 
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« Reply #606 on: December 30, 2014, 10:11:46 am »
Europe has moved away from the separation of league and knock-out play, notably for the big money Champions League that features a combination of both (mostly as a vehicle to have more games so as to make more money - which is why you can finish 4th in the Premier League and still play in the Champions League).  The domestic league title in all cases is still decided purely on league play, but lower divisions have a playoff system for promotion.

What US sports get by having a combined league and knock-out system does do, though, is teams being a champion of their own division even though they may have the 4th, 5th, 6th or worse season record overall.  I still don't understand the logic of Uncle Drayton claiming the Astros to be Wild Card "Champions" *, but winning your division has more cache than earning a place in next season's Europa League.

* Full disclosure: Crystal Palace received a trophy for finishing 6th but winning the promotion playoffs in 2013.

I don't follow European leagues either, but it was my understanding that the Premier League and the Champions League were two different things.  Their "seasons" were played simultaneously, but one was an actual "league" and one was a cross-league open tournament, so to speak. A team could theoretically finish last in their "league', but still win the championship "tournament".  

In US sports, there is but one championship, but they're all decided by a playoff system.  This is done for two reasons: 1) so teams aren't out of the race half-way through the season, taking their fans with them, and 2) to make it more difficult for the New York Yankees one team to win every year, decreasing general interest in the league.
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« Reply #607 on: December 30, 2014, 12:05:36 pm »
I don't follow European leagues either, but it was my understanding that the Premier League and the Champions League were two different things.  Their "seasons" were played simultaneously, but one was an actual "league" and one was a cross-league open tournament, so to speak. A team could theoretically finish last in their "league', but still win the championship "tournament".  

In US sports, there is but one championship, but they're all decided by a playoff system.  This is done for two reasons: 1) so teams aren't out of the race half-way through the season, taking their fans with them, and 2) to make it more difficult for the New York Yankees one team to win every year, decreasing general interest in the league.

You earn a place the subsequent season's Champions League by your performance in the current domestic league.  In the Premier League, for example, the winner and runner up get byes into the league round of the next season's Champions League, while the 3rd and 4th placed teams go into a wild card round.  Further, the 5th placed team, plus any team dumped out of the Champions League prior to the last 16, go into the Europa League, which is a separate horror-tournament* for almost-Champions League teams.

* Mostly Thursday night fixtures in the radioactive parts of Eastern Europe.  There is an extremely strong correlation between teams doing well in one year, qualifying for Europa, and sucking balls the following year because of the strains of the ridiculous travel and scheduling imposed when competing in the Europa League.

You are correct that, in any given season, performance in one competition does not impact the other, and it is possible that a team can win the Champions League and get relegated in the same season.  In a similar vein, in 2013, Wigan Athletic won the FA Cup (an English-only straight knock-out tournament that runs completely parallel to the Premier League) and were officially relegated to the lower division by a loss suffered 3 days later.
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