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Ice storm
« on: December 07, 2013, 06:10:20 am »
Nearly 24 hours now without power here in Dallas.  The house is 52 degrees according to the thermostat.  It seems Dallas got hit pretty hard.  There are tons of tree and/or major limbs down and Oncor is saying power is likely to be restored for most customers by late Sunday.  Oh, and the Dallas Marathon, which is scheduled to come by our house, is Sunday morning.

Any other Dallas folks on the board affected?
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Re: Ice storm
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 06:13:25 am »
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Re: Ice storm
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 07:33:20 am »
Is it as bad as the December 31st 1978 ice storm? Goddam you, Joe Montana.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 07:40:32 am »
Is it as bad as the December 31st 1978 ice storm? Goddam you, Joe Montana.

That was such a great comeback. I watched it and was stunned.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 08:52:47 am »
so how will it affect ut bu today
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Re: Ice storm
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 09:30:22 am »
Sorry you guys got hit so hard.  Stay safe.

 I'm at the ranch, just south of Dallas near Fairfield, and we didn't get a drop of rain, a crystal of ice or a flake of snow.  Of course, I'm here, so it's pretty much guaranteed there will be no winter precipitation.
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Re: Ice storm
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 10:08:58 am »
I've been stuck in my hotel room (in Dallas) for two days now, but at least we have power.  Life outside my window looks pretty frigid.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 11:03:23 am »
My mom and dad in Fort Worth got a bunch of ice and a couple of inches of snow. No power issues.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 11:27:33 am »
Do you actually live in Dallas U.C.? I guess you do based on the marathon route. I am in McKinney and we have kept our power. Underground utilities. Roads are very bad in north Collin County of course. Went to the grocery this a.m. and it was like a ghost town. People are thankfully staying in. Seems a little early for this crap.

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 11:31:31 am »
Sorry you guys got hit so hard.  Stay safe.

 I'm at the ranch, just south of Dallas near Fairfield, and we didn't get a drop of rain, a crystal of ice or a flake of snow.  Of course, I'm here, so it's pretty much guaranteed there will be no winter precipitation.

I'm surprised you haven't got some precip there. I went that way, through Mexia and Groesbeck, Thanksgiving Eve to go to Austin from Dallas. Takes a little longer but I can't stand the I35 drive at night on the busiest travel day of the year. I was able to do 60-80 alot of the way. Pretty country.

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 11:58:42 am »
stay safe and keep in mind that people from texas have no ideal how to drive on ice
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2013, 12:14:36 pm »
I'm surprised you haven't got some precip there. I went that way, through Mexia and Groesbeck, Thanksgiving Eve to go to Austin from Dallas. Takes a little longer but I can't stand the I35 drive at night on the busiest travel day of the year. I was able to do 60-80 alot of the way. Pretty country.

Yeah, I'm between Mexia and Fairfield.  Not a drop.  I am the anti-snow.  It's cold here though.  My thermometer outside the kitchen window says 24 right now.  The pressure switch on my well pump froze last night, had to go out and work it loose this morning to get running water.  But no snow or ice.  Everyone stay safe...it shouldn't last much longer.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2013, 01:20:20 pm »
Do you actually live in Dallas U.C.? I guess you do based on the marathon route. I am in McKinney and we have kept our power. Underground utilities. Roads are very bad in north Collin County of course. Went to the grocery this a.m. and it was like a ghost town. People are thankfully staying in. Seems a little early for this crap.

Yes, m streets.  We just received notification that power is expected to return about 1p tomorrow. It's currently 45 downstairs and 38 upstairs.  Going to a hotel now...screw this.

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2013, 01:48:32 pm »
Yes, m streets.  We just received notification that power is expected to return about 1p tomorrow. It's currently 45 downstairs and 38 upstairs.  Going to a hotel now...screw this.



I have a buddy in the exact same situation as you.  He just booked at the Omni, if you're looking around.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 02:04:52 pm »
Missouri City cancelled their SNOWFEST parade today because of.....cold.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2013, 02:17:11 pm »
Everyone is welcome at the ranch tonight.  I have heat, whisky and DirecTV to watch football.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2013, 08:38:35 pm »
I have a buddy in the exact same situation as you.  He just booked at the Omni, if you're looking around.

Thanks.  We're downtown as well.  It seems several of my friends in the same situation bailed as well tonight.

We did have a casualty this morning.  Our Beta seems to have died due to the cold water.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2013, 09:11:13 pm »
Thanks.  We're downtown as well.  It seems several of my friends in the same situation bailed as well tonight.

We did have a casualty this morning.  Our Beta seems to have died due to the cold water.

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Re: Ice storm
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2013, 09:18:06 pm »
I'm in North Carrollton/South Lewisville.  Socked in but never lost power thankfully.  The kids are loving it. They've been using a baking sheet and a pizza pan as toboggans.  Funny thing is, they've played in the yard for 2 days and its so solidly frozen there are no footprints.  

I'm not sure where the ice petered out, but my nephew had a playoff game in Palestine that was cold but no precipitation.

Hope you get power back soon.  Kept us posted.  And sorry about your beta.

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 11:12:03 pm »
And sorry about your beta.

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2013, 12:03:50 pm »
I keep meaning to ask: is there any special significance to the Hellcat in your avatar? I love those planes, along with F4Us and many others.

Impressed that you recognize the plane.  Short story is that I have a private pilots license, love WWII, and the Hellcat is my favorite combination of those.  I would live to fly one someday!!

Update on power - still none though Oncore promises 11p tonight.  They have yet to keep a time promise yet though, so I'm not hopeful.  We stayed in a hotel last night so it was a nice reprieve.  Trying to decide what we do tonight.

The experience has given me a much better perspective on life without electricity (we rediscovered family board game fun), the plight of the homeless in winter (though I'm not close to that the cold and uneasiness about the near future is physically and mentally draining), and how to survive in small spaces with a family or four plus 2 dogs.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2013, 09:20:17 am »
I've been stuck in my hotel room (in Dallas) for two days now, but at least we have power.  Life outside my window looks pretty frigid.

But the chicks on pay-per-view are hot, amiright?
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2013, 09:23:45 am »
Do you actually live in Dallas U.C.? I guess you do based on the marathon route. I am in McKinney and we have kept our power. Underground utilities. Roads are very bad in north Collin County of course. Went to the grocery this a.m. and it was like a ghost town. People are thankfully staying in. Seems a little early for this crap.

Can someone please tell me why, in the 21st century, utilities continue to be installed...and re-installed and re-installed...above ground?  People are aghast at the cost of these storm in repairs and lost productivity; then they go and upright the same old poles and string the same spaghetti of wires from them.
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 09:37:51 am »
Can someone please tell me why, in the 21st century, utilities continue to be installed...and re-installed and re-installed...above ground?  People are aghast at the cost of these storm in repairs and lost productivity; then they go and upright the same old poles and string the same spaghetti of wires from them.

It's apparently much cheaper to fix the above ground ones than the below ground ones. There are some places where it's worth the expense (the upper mid-west for instance).

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 09:53:02 am »
It's apparently much cheaper to fix the above ground ones than the below ground ones. There are some places where it's worth the expense (the upper mid-west for instance).

True.  But the below-ground ones don't need fixing just because it got cold.  And everyone's power stays on.
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2013, 11:17:50 am »
True.  But the below-ground ones don't need fixing just because it got cold.  And everyone's power stays on.

So it's all good as long as the trains run on time?
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2013, 11:21:06 am »
So it's all good as long as the trains run on time?

And look pretty. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2013, 11:52:18 am »
But the chicks on pay-per-view are hot, amiright?

I'm sure they are but my the venue of my overnight stay may have changed had I looked at it given the 10 year old and 6 year old in the room.  Not to mention, I couldn't even imagine the penance I would receive at my next confession.

Edited to note that power is back on this morning.  Thank goodness..
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2013, 12:13:26 pm »
So it's all good as long as the trains run on time?

Nope.  But it's better for everyone that the power stays on (and the trains run on time) than have the power go out every time one of these storms, or a hurricane, or a tornado, whips through town.
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2013, 12:17:56 pm »
And look pretty. 

Houston is putting buses on Post Oak that look like trains.  Isn't imitation the highest form of flattery?
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2013, 12:38:52 pm »
Nope.  But it's better for everyone that the power stays on (and the trains run on time) than have the power go out every time one of these storms, or a hurricane, or a tornado, whips through town.

Everything else being equal, yes.  But everything else is not equal.  It's not like those in charge are not aware of the differences between above ground and below ground.  There is a cost, and potential problems, with underground lines everywhere.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2013, 01:14:19 pm »
Everything else being equal, yes.  But everything else is not equal.  It's not like those in charge are not aware of the differences between above ground and below ground.  There is a cost, and potential problems, with underground lines everywhere.

Then you start with where's it's easy and cheap, and go from there.

My last two single family dwelling homes have had buried utilities.  One in a sub-division, where the whole place had buried lines, and the other was alone on its street inside the loop in having buried utilities (the lines came down the pole and underground to the building).  What's great about that is that, even when the service lines are downed by trees, the power comes on straight away once they're fixed.

If you recall during Ike, HL&P teams had to go street-by-street, house-by-house to clear to repair all downed power lines in that neighbourhood before they could turn the power on to any of it.  If the lines to individual properties were underground, they'd just have to fix the main lines and, bingo!  Everyone's lights come on.  It's be so much faster to get power back to more people too.  There's a start: make buried utilities on all new construction mandatory.

Then, where you're replacing the storm drains in older neighbourhoods - bury the utilities at the same time.  There's an incremental cost, but I bet it's cheaper than an emergency repair after a hurricane.

Just take it on when and where you can, and see what's left.  The big trunk lines will mostly have to be above ground; but there's no reason why the local lines can't be underground.
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2013, 01:37:51 pm »
Then you start with where's it's easy and cheap, and go from there.

That's what they're doing.  That doesn't mean you can magically and retroactively make them all that way for free.
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2013, 01:44:47 pm »
That's what they're doing.  That doesn't mean you can magically and retroactively make them all that way for free.

Never suggested that was the case.  However, after Hurricane Andrew re-wrote the record books about insurance claims, notably from Florida Power & Light's overground powerlines (which are, these days, mostly uninsurable), I'd like to think there would have been a little more progress.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2013, 02:11:34 pm »
Never suggested that was the case.  However, after Hurricane Andrew re-wrote the record books about insurance claims, notably from Florida Power & Light's overground powerlines (which are, these days, mostly uninsurable), I'd like to think there would have been a little more progress.


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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2013, 02:16:07 pm »
"Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod." - Henry V, Act 2, Sc 1

TL;DR - Millenials
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