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« on: November 01, 2013, 09:15:11 am »
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 09:53:48 am »
I wonder what the Astros front office payroll is relative to the rest of the league.

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 09:45:51 pm »
I wonder what the Astros front office payroll is relative to the rest of the league.

I don't mean this in a sarcastic or smart-ass way, but fuck ... why?

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 10:52:41 am »
I don't mean this in a sarcastic or smart-ass way, but fuck ... why?

Just interested in how my favorite baseball team structures their front office compared to the rest of the league.  Crazy thought, I know.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 11:42:53 am »
Just interested in how my favorite baseball team structures their front office compared to the rest of the league.  Crazy thought, I know.

How about the way your favorite team structures its playing personnel compared to the rest of the league? If you look at that it is like they're not even trying to win for a few years while they stockpile young players with promise and potential and stuff like that. Basically for now, hoping that losing on purpose for a couple of years or more will bring a brighter future sometime in the future, maybe.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 12:36:27 pm »
Just interested in how my favorite baseball team structures their front office compared to the rest of the league.  Crazy thought, I know.

I'm interested in the answer too.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2013, 05:59:45 pm »
Just interested in how my favorite baseball team structures their front office compared to the rest of the league.  Crazy thought, I know.

What do you want to know about the structure of the front office?

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2013, 06:15:18 pm »
What do you want to know about the structure of the front office?

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 06:24:43 pm »
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Could have been an offer from someone who knows something about it.  Just saying.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2013, 06:40:15 pm »
What do you want to know about the structure of the front office?

Is it bigger than a breadbox?
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 07:15:12 pm »
Is it bigger than a breadbox?

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2013, 07:20:55 pm »
Yes. Nineteen questions left.

Are front office meetings held in a secret chamber hidden in the tunnels beneath the MMPUS?

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2013, 07:27:09 pm »
Are front office meetings held in a secret chamber hidden in the tunnels beneath the MMPUS?

No, apparently it's not as secret as we thought. 

Eighteen questions left.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2013, 07:30:20 pm »
No, apparently it's not as secret as we thought. 

Eighteen questions left.

Give us an org chart pls

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2013, 07:40:08 pm »
There's got to be a certain amount of the staff that deals with stuff that's not baseball related.  Roughly how much of the front office is baseball.  Oh, wait, you came from BP, right?  Round to the nearest 100th.
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2013, 07:40:33 pm »
Give us an org chart pls

I won't share an org chart, but if you look at this link:
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=hou
everyone listed under Baseball Operations basically constitutes the front office.  To somewhat answer your earlier question, that's a smaller group of people than you will find on many teams.  Not listed on that link are the amateur scouts, pro scouts, or international scouts, who are all part of baseball operations (but wouldn't necessarily be considered part of the "front office").  The player development organization (minor league coaches, instructors, and staff) is another piece of baseball operations that mostly isn't listed there, except for the front office components of PD (Quinton McCracken, Allen Rowin, Jay Edmiston).

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2013, 07:47:12 pm »
Oh, wait, you came from BP, right? 

Contrary to popular myth, I did not spring fully formed from BP, like Athena from the forehead of Zeus.

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 07:48:39 pm »
Contrary to popular myth, I did not spring fully formed from BP, like Athena from the forehead of Zeus.

That's probably for the best.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2013, 07:53:08 pm »
I won't share an org chart, but if you look at this link:
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=hou
everyone listed under Baseball Operations basically constitutes the front office.  To somewhat answer your earlier question, that's a smaller group of people than you will find on many teams.  Not listed on that link are the amateur scouts, pro scouts, or international scouts, who are all part of baseball operations (but wouldn't necessarily be considered part of the "front office").  The player development organization (minor league coaches, instructors, and staff) is another piece of baseball operations that mostly isn't listed there, except for the front office components of PD (Quinton McCracken, Allen Rowin, Jay Edmiston).

How does the size of the data analyst group (for lack of a better term) compare to other organizations?  It seems like a lot of guys have been added since Luhnow took over but is that more reflective of what was inherited?

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2013, 07:54:55 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2013, 07:57:22 pm »
How does the size of the data analyst group (for lack of a better term) compare to other organizations?  It seems like a lot of guys have been added since Luhnow took over but is that more reflective of what was inherited?


It's a bigger group than most teams, smaller than a few (Rays, Yankees, maybe a couple others).  All of us were hired since Jeff Luhnow took over.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2013, 08:00:51 pm »
And hey, thanks for stopping by.

Glad to. Thanks.  I'm a frequent lurker over here but figured I could maybe add something of value to this thread.

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2013, 08:17:41 pm »
How does the data side determine the methods they use for evaluation? I know some is proprietary, and some metrics aren't, and the mix you apply is proprietary, but how are new ideas developed and vetted? What proofs need to be demonstrated before a new metric is added?
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2013, 08:36:40 pm »
It's a bigger group than most teams, smaller than a few (Rays, Yankees, maybe a couple others).  All of us were hired since Jeff Luhnow took over.

Did Ed Wade have an equivalent team?

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2013, 08:39:24 pm »
It's a bigger group than most teams, smaller than a few (Rays, Yankees, maybe a couple others).  All of us were hired since Jeff Luhnow took over.

Thanks for offering up these responses.  I am totally behind and love what you guys are doing.

How do you guys split your time behind talent acquisition and player development?  I'm sure the last few years have been mostly focused on acquisition, but is there now a shift to focus more on development now that the farm is stocked?

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2013, 09:17:04 pm »
This is so fucking awesome.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2013, 09:17:52 pm »
Did Ed Wade have an equivalent team?

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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2013, 09:26:01 pm »
How does the data side determine the methods they use for evaluation? I know some is proprietary, and some metrics aren't, and the mix you apply is proprietary, but how are new ideas developed and vetted? What proofs need to be demonstrated before a new metric is added?

The trope that we use both scouting and data together is true of us as well, but I'd say that one difference is that Jeff leads a more collaborative and integrated front office than most.  

Our decision sciences group spends a lot of time working with the major league coaching staff, the player development people, the scouts, and the rest of the front office learning what everyone needs, trying to give them data in whatever format is most helpful and intuitive to them, and integrating their ideas and insights into products that the rest of the organization can use.

We try to be evidence-based, to the extent that there is evidence.  Sometimes evidence is in short supply, and we try to begin to collect it, or in some cases it may not be available at all.  Evidence may not be in forms that are traditionally thought of as statistical.  It can include the expert evaluations of scouts and coaches.

We don't always have the luxury of proving things before we use them.  If we can, we try to use the scientific method.  But sometimes you can't do that, and you have to make decisions anyway.  And I suppose it's obvious to say it, but we deal with human beings.  They're not always exactly predictable.

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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2013, 09:37:20 pm »
Thanks for offering up these responses.  I am totally behind and love what you guys are doing.

How do you guys split your time behind talent acquisition and player development?  I'm sure the last few years have been mostly focused on acquisition, but is there now a shift to focus more on development now that the farm is stocked?

2012 was primarily focused on getting some basic systems in place and doing a good job with the amateur draft, and secondarily with making some trades to help restock the farm system.  The following offseason and coming into this season, we turned a focus to get people in place in the front office, the scouting staff, and the player development staff.  Jeff definitely has a very high priority on player development.  We make an effort to get and retain the best coaches and instructors that we can.

I spent some time with our player development staff in Kissimmee in spring and again this fall during instructs, and I am very pleased with what we have going on down on the farm.  We have some very talented instructors who do a good job of teaching the kids clearly, with sounds methods, and inspiring them to do their best.  The future of our organization is in good hands.

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2013, 10:05:04 pm »
No, apparently it's not as secret as we thought. 

Eighteen questions left.

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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2013, 10:07:16 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2013, 10:23:35 pm »
What are your priority goals in the time leading into the winter meetings?
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2013, 10:29:26 pm »
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?  ANSWER THE QUESTION MR. FAST!

Come on, dude, seriously, what the fuck? You single-handedly chased off the best poster in the history of this site. Now this? Fuck. Just stop. I mean, seriously. Stop.
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2013, 10:52:43 pm »
What are your priority goals in the time leading into the winter meetings?

Well, obviously, we want to acquire some good players this offseason, and we spend a lot of time preparing for that, but I can't be more specific.

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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2013, 10:56:35 pm »
Well, obviously, we want to acquire some good players this offseason, and we spend a lot of time preparing for that, but I can't be more specific.

What type of tasks, generally, is your group assigned to do in order to prepare?
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2013, 11:07:39 pm »
What type of tasks, generally, is your group assigned to do in order to prepare?

We work with the pro scouting group to evaluate free agents as well as potential non-tenders, Rule 5 picks, and trade possibilities.

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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2013, 12:31:25 am »
Come on, dude, seriously, what the fuck?

Having fun. Seriously?

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« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2013, 12:52:45 am »
Don't worry about it, I'm sure Mr. Fast doesn't take me seriously.... neither should you.

No one does, dude, believe me.
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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2013, 12:53:57 am »
No one does, dude, believe me.

So why the reaction? And again, want to back up your own words or not ("You single-handedly chased off the best poster in the history of this site.")? I have no idea what you're talking about, so now... please, share.(BTW - we can certainly take this offline so as not to ruin this thread, so your call... want to talk... or not? If not, then stop accusing me of something I have no knowledge of).
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« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2013, 04:28:57 am »
Thanks so much for stopping by. I really like what I've seen from the baseball side of the front office, particularly in the minor leagues.

How have the players taken to the moves that the decision sciences folks have suggested, given that some of it is a bit unconventional?

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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2013, 05:24:38 am »
What impact, if any, do the decision sciences play with respect to scouting? Do the scouts collect data to be analyzed by the decision sciences team?
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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2013, 05:27:22 am »

Care to enlighten me what the heck you're talking about?


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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2013, 07:16:48 am »
What impact, if any, do the decision sciences play with respect to scouting? Do the scouts collect data to be analyzed by the decision sciences team?

We work very closely with our scouts. I probably shouldn't go into the details of our processes.

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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2013, 07:25:15 am »
We work very closely with our scouts. I probably shouldn't go into the details of our processes.

Thank you. I totally understand about the proprietary and secret nature of the work. However, it is great that the scouts are being integrated into the process because there's often no way to measure a player's heart and drive but with actually seeing the kid play multiple times.
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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2013, 07:35:15 am »
Thanks so much for stopping by. I really like what I've seen from the baseball side of the front office, particularly in the minor leagues.

How have the players taken to the moves that the decision sciences folks have suggested, given that some of it is a bit unconventional?



We put a high priority on working together from a unified vision in our organization. We have an Astros hitting philosophy, an Astros pitching philosophy, an Astros fielding philosophy, etc. I believe we have some of the best teachers and thinkers in those disciplines in our coaches at both the major league and minor league levels. We in the decision sciences group learn a lot from them, and they learn from us.

We talk regularly with our coaches but rarely with the players directly. I think in most cases they don't know that information came from decision sciences. For them, the unconventional nature of the front office might be more directly experienced as having a GM who speaks Spanish, for instance.

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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2013, 07:38:28 am »

We put a high priority on working together from a unified vision in our organization. We have an Astros hitting philosophy, an Astros pitching philosophy, an Astros fielding philosophy, etc. I believe we have some of the best teachers and thinkers in those disciplines in our coaches at both the major league and minor league levels. We in the decision sciences group learn a lot from them, and they learn from us.

We talk regularly with our coaches but rarely with the players directly. I think in most cases they don't know that information came from decision sciences. For them, the unconventional nature of the front office might be more directly experienced as having a GM who speaks Spanish, for instance.

I knew that there was an "Astros way," which I think is wonderful and very wise. Having a GM who speaks Spanish is a real plus.
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« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2013, 07:41:02 am »
Thanks for stopping by, Mike.  Please stay as long as you want.

You mentioned going down to Spring Training and meeting many of the players.  At what point do these guys become more than just numbers on a computer?  We always read about Correa's incredible makeup as a ballplayer - how much do these types of character attributes play into the decision-making process?

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« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2013, 07:44:38 am »
Thank you. I totally understand about the proprietary and secret nature of the work. However, it is great that the scouts are being integrated into the process because there's often no way to measure a player's heart and drive but with actually seeing the kid play multiple times.
One thing about Jeff is that he places a high value on scouting. We are one of the few teams that will fly the whole amateur scouting staff in for the amateur draft in June. While the scouting reports themselves are certainly valuable, we believe there is a lot to be gained from face-to-face conversations with the expert evaluators. They have spent far more hours studying these players than I have.

Similarly with the pro scouts, the more interaction there is between the scouting staff and the front office, the better decisions we will make. I was in Florida meeting with our pro scouts last month, and it was a great experience for me.

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« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2013, 07:52:22 am »
Thanks for stopping by, Mike.  Please stay as long as you want.

You mentioned going down to Spring Training and meeting many of the players.  At what point do these guys become more than just numbers on a computer?  We always read about Correa's incredible makeup as a ballplayer - how much do these types of character attributes play into the decision-making process?

Thanks again.

Well, first of all, I love the game and have since I was a kid, so I don't know that they were ever just numbers to me.

But it really hit home for me that I was dealing with human beings when I was involved in my first trade, and the guys we traded away went in and cleaned out their lockers, and the next day the guy we had traded for was standing on a mound pitching right in front of me.

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« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2013, 07:59:00 am »
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 We always read about Correa's incredible makeup as a ballplayer - how much do these types of character attributes play into the decision-making

I realized I didn't answer this part of your question. Those things make a huge difference. Very few players come out of the amateur draft ready to play at the big league level. Almost all of them have to improve dramatically if they are going to succeed. Character, leadership, work ethic--those things are very important. Even at the major league level, players continue to have to make adjustments. Their dedication to improving, and helping their teammates improve, is crucial.
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« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2013, 08:13:46 am »
Thanks Mike, great answers.

My last question, and if you can't go into specifics I understand.

When deciding whether to promote a player within the organization, what do you look at?  Age, performance, etc are obvious factors to me (an idiot), so where does the analytical division come into play in this?

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« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2013, 08:14:20 am »
I've had to take the Briggs-Myers Personality test several times for work. Do you have something similar for players?

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« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2013, 08:21:47 am »
I've had to take the Briggs-Myers Personality test several times for work. Do you have something similar for players?

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Re: Astros make another BP hire
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2013, 08:35:16 am »
Jeez, me too. My wife has bought into that stuff completely. I pretty much put it into the voodoo category but damn if it hasn't been spot on. Creepy voodoo.

It really is pretty amazing. I've taken it too, but I can't remember my outcome.
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« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2013, 08:47:37 am »
Thanks Mike, great answers.

My last question, and if you can't go into specifics I understand.

When deciding whether to promote a player within the organization, what do you look at?  Age, performance, etc are obvious factors to me (an idiot), so where does the analytical division come into play in this?

Side question: was there ever a doubt that Springer would stay in the minors all of last year?

Hmm, can't really answer those.

I've had to take the Briggs-Myers Personality test several times for work. Do you have something similar for players?

Or that.

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« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2013, 08:50:27 am »
Hmm, can't really answer those.

Or that.

Cool. Worth a shot.
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« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2013, 08:54:14 am »
I believe that Chuck might be referring to the poster formerly known as Pravata, who now occasionally posts as ferret?

Oh, I see. Well, if he still post, then I didn't "single-handedly" chase him away, did I? And FWIW, it's not true any way, no matter what people think... counselor. Facts play an important role in making accusations.

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« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2013, 08:56:44 am »
Somewhere, someone is attempting to nail jello to a wall.
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« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2013, 08:57:45 am »
Somewhere, someone is attempting to nail jello to a wall.

What flavor?

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« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2013, 08:58:55 am »
Cool. Worth a shot.
Thanks again.

Same from me, too.
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« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2013, 08:59:13 am »
What flavor?

I don't know, but I've always favored Red.
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« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2013, 09:02:11 am »
I don't know, but I've always favored Red.

And I like lime green. Diversity makes the world go round!

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« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2013, 09:03:15 am »
Oh, I see. Well, if he still post, then I didn't "single-handedly" chase him away, did I? And FWIW, it's not true any way, no matter what people think... counselor. Facts play an important role in making accusations.

I'm not saying who is right or wrong because I don't know any of the facts. I was simply raising a question about the possible identity of the alleged poster scared away because you didn't seem to recall any possibilities.
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« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2013, 09:04:59 am »
I'm not saying who is right or wrong because I don't know any of the facts. I was simply raising a question about the possible identity of the alleged poster scared away because you didn't seem to recall any possibilities.

Thanks, I didn't. But I'm still baffled why the accusation was made in the first place.  Bad information (re: gossip) is a bad thing... always makes people come out for the worst.

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« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2013, 09:05:47 am »
I'm pretty sure fear was never a factor.
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« Reply #65 on: November 04, 2013, 09:07:55 am »
I'm pretty sure fear was never a factor.

Not sure I understand, care to expand?

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« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2013, 09:08:23 am »
Thanks, I didn't. But I'm still baffled why the accusation was made in the first place.  Bad information (re: gossip) is a bad thing... always makes people come out for the worst.

Again. I knoweth not any of the facts, so you are cool with me. In any event, I always suspected burnout as the real cause of his scaling back because blaming others for "chasing" one away strikes me as pretty lame. I give Pravata/ferret more credit than that--a lot more credit. IIRC, he even said as much once.
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« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2013, 09:11:56 am »
Will you knuckleheads take your slapfight somewhere else.
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« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2013, 09:12:21 am »
Again. I knoweth not any of the facts, so you are cool with me. In any event, I always suspected burnout as the real cause of his scaling back because blaming others for "chasing" one away strikes me as pretty lame. I give Pravata/ferret more credit than that--a lot more credit. IIRC, he even said as much once.

I agree. I have no earthly idea why he left, I can only speculate along with everyone else. Only pravata knows, so I can't and won't speak for him at all. He's his own man and I miss his humor and work on NYCU very much. But like Alkie, if anyone chooses to leave, I can't do anything about it. Not sure why this is being laid at my feet by chuck, it's weird to me.

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« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2013, 09:12:43 am »
Not sure I understand, care to expand?

I was referencing Mr. Happy's 'scared away' comment.
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« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2013, 09:12:51 am »
Will you knuckleheads take your slapfight somewhere else.

Be glad to, made the offer already. Still no takers.

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« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2013, 09:14:18 am »
Hmm, can't really answer those.

Or that.

To me, that means yes but you cannot describe them.

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« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2013, 09:15:02 am »
I was referencing Mr. Happy's 'scared away' comment.

Agreed. Fear is the last thing I would speculate on that front if indeed that is what I'm being accused of. I scare no one, not even my own dog.

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« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2013, 09:27:33 am »
I was referencing Mr. Happy's 'scared away' comment.

That, in retrospect, was a poor choice of words by me, for which I take the blame. However, I think that I was saying what Chuck essentially said.
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« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2013, 09:31:32 am »
We work very closely with our scouts. I probably shouldn't go into the details of our processes.

let me echo the comments of some. I love what you guys are doing to rebuild this organization.
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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2013, 09:32:40 am »
That, in retrospect, was a poor choice of words by me, for which I take the blame. However, I think that I was saying what Chuck essentially said.

I'm sorry I am the epicenter of all this talk. This is a good thread for everyone to speak to Mr. Fast, so I apologize for being snarky in my questions last night. I thought I was being funny and I guess I wasn't (I'm sure I wasn't... typically, I'm not). So if this particular conversation needs to go on, please message me privately and I can respond to anyone about anything I know (and it's only restricted to my own knowledge of anything referenced here on this subject matter). Else, let's just leave it as a bad side trail growing progressively worse and derailing this good conversation being had by all. For my part in derailing this, I again apologize.

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« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2013, 09:35:08 am »
let me echo the comments of some. I love what you guys are doing to rebuild this organization.

Agreed. Welcome and I hope you stick around.
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« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2013, 09:36:56 am »
I'm sorry I am the epicenter of all this talk. This is a good thread for everyone to speak to Mr. Fast, so I apologize for being snarky in my questions last night. I thought I was being funny and I guess I wasn't (I'm sure I wasn't... typically, I'm not). So if this particular conversation needs to go on, please message me privately and I can respond to anyone about anything I know (and it's only restricted to my own knowledge of anything referenced here on this subject matter). Else, let's just leave it as a bad side trail growing progressively worse and derailing this good conversation being had by all. For my part in derailing this, I again apologize.

Carry on!

you were not funny at all. not even a little bit, and that juvenile bullshit pissing match killed this thread. it is completely unfathomable to me why you would do such a thing.
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« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2013, 09:42:39 am »
you were not funny at all. not even a little bit, and that juvenile bullshit pissing match killed this thread. it is completely unfathomable to me why you would do such a thing.

I'll take that hit, but my intent was to try and be funny (I failed). Pissing match? With who? Mr. Fast... I don't see it. Pissing match with chuck? He called me out, not the other way around (and I asked him to take it offline). Either way, I'm sorry it didn't turn out to be a little bit of humor added on originally. I'll take whatever criticism comes my way about that... but that's all I can do, take responsibility for my own actions. Can't take responsibility for anything else though.
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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2013, 09:55:40 am »
I'll take that hit, but my intent was to try and be funny (I failed). Pissing match? With who? Mr. Fast... I don't see it. Pissing match with chuck? He called me out, not the other way around (and I asked him to take it offline). Either way, I'm sorry it didn't turn out to be a little bit of humor added on originally. I'll take whatever criticism comes my way about that... but that's all I can do, take responsibility for my own actions. Can't take responsibility for anything else though.

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« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2013, 09:58:32 am »
oh, please. the next time you do will be the first time.

I guess my offer of "talk to me via message" is not viable and we want to continue to kill this thread Coach? You realize you're taking part in doing that so you're going to take responsibility for it... right? Whatever you think of me personally can be shared personally and not publically. But if you want to make this public, I can respond in kind. Your call, want to talk to me offline about this and if not, then you're just being a bully right now.

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« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2013, 10:23:54 am »
I guess my offer of "talk to me via message" is not viable and we want to continue to kill this thread Coach? You realize you're taking part in doing that so you're going to take responsibility for it... right? Whatever you think of me personally can be shared personally and not publically. But if you want to make this public, I can respond in kind. Your call, want to talk to me offline about this and if not, then you're just being a bully right now.


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« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2013, 11:22:30 am »
Mike, thanks for the explanations.  All of us probably have some notion that there's a lot more emphasis on analytics and decision sciences at the Astros than in other organizations.  Is that really true?  Are there any organizations any more that don't have a Mike Fast?  Is there really more emphasis on analytics at the Astros then there are at some of Our Hated Rivals?

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« Reply #83 on: November 04, 2013, 06:15:58 pm »

poor Noe.

I'm hurt... I don't qualify for a "WFW"? I can't set it up on a tee any better than I did.

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« Reply #84 on: November 04, 2013, 06:19:11 pm »
even i am lost on this one
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« Reply #85 on: November 04, 2013, 06:24:28 pm »
even i am lost on this one


That would be pretty darn lost then! :)

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« Reply #86 on: November 04, 2013, 10:08:50 pm »
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« Reply #87 on: November 04, 2013, 11:10:28 pm »
Mike, thanks for the explanations.  All of us probably have some notion that there's a lot more emphasis on analytics and decision sciences at the Astros than in other organizations.  Is that really true?  Are there any organizations any more that don't have a Mike Fast?  Is there really more emphasis on analytics at the Astros then there are at some of Our Hated Rivals?

Anyway, it's nice to have a sense of how your work fits together with the big picture.

Yes, I would say that the Astros put more emphasis on analytics than most other organizations.  It's not so much that most other organizations don't have someone doing analytical tasks.  But the list of teams that have built a comprehensive database for the organizational information and have more than one full-time analyst on staff is maybe half the league (Rays, Red Sox, Indians, Yankees, Cardinals, Pirates, A's, Padres, Nationals, Blue Jays, Royals, possibly a couple other teams).

The Astros blend analytics into pretty much every single facet of what we do.  I don't think most teams do that.  Even the teams that I listed above have areas that have been left alone by analytics.  Some of them are more advanced in that they've been working on their systems for 5-10 years, whereas we've been doing it for two years.  I'm sure some of them have thought about ways to use certain information that are better than what we do.  But I don't think any team is more aggressive about integrating and applying and depending our analysis than the Astros.  I purposefully list the integrating part first.  It doesn't do a team much good to have some lofty and sophisticated analysis if the analysts have not spent time working with the scouts and coaches finding out what they really need and want to use and how to format information in a way that is helpful to them and makes the scout or the coach more efficient in their baseball work.

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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2014, 01:40:14 pm »
This was three days ago.  I get all wrapped up in college football and coaching hires that I forget about baseball.  Who did Goldstein replace as pro scouting director?

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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2014, 10:25:16 pm »
This was three days ago.  I get all wrapped up in college football and coaching hires that I forget about baseball.  Who did Goldstein replace as pro scouting director?

Kevin Goldstein was previously Coordinator of Pro Scouting, now promoted to Director.

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« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2014, 08:58:12 am »
Kevin Goldstein was previously Coordinator of Pro Scouting, now promoted to Director.

Good for him. What is the difference between a coordinator and a director in this context?

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« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2014, 09:38:14 am »
Good for him. What is the difference between a coordinator and a director in this context?

Probably a heck of a pay raise.

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« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2014, 11:06:00 am »
Good for him. What is the difference between a coordinator and a director in this context?

The typical hierarchy of position titles in baseball ops departments is something like this:
General Manager
Assistant General Manager
Director
Assistant Director
Coordinator
Assistant
Intern

The GM and AGM are typically in charge of all areas of baseball ops.  Then each functional area is usually headed by a director.  These will typically include such areas as player development (also sometimes called minor league operations, or the director may be called the farm director), baseball ops (which is usually major league operations), pro scouting (major leagues, minor leagues), amateur scouting (college, high school), and international scouting.  Other responsibilities like video, advance scouting, analytics, or medical may be folded into one of the previously listed functional areas, or they may be split out in their own area with a director or coordinator in charge.  A coordinator is usually someone who is in charge of a smaller functional area, or assisting a director with a larger area but in a more administrative role.  For example, a scouting coordinator would often be the person who is assisting the scouts with setting their travel, helping them with expense reports, making sure they file their scouting reports, etc.  Whereas the director of scouting would typically be a person who defines the strategy for the scouting group, hires the scouts, and assigns their areas.  Obviously, not every team follows the same exact set of titles and responsibilities, but that's a general guideline for interpreting baseball ops titles across the industry.

Some teams will have a Manager level that, depending on how they use it, could either be similar to a Coordinator or between Director and Coordinator.

Kevin as coordinator was already responsible for the whole pro scouting function for the Astros, so it's not like he is replacing someone else in the Director role now.

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« Reply #94 on: January 07, 2014, 01:01:18 pm »
Very interesting; thanks for the explanation, Mike.
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« Reply #95 on: January 07, 2014, 01:05:16 pm »
The typical hierarchy of position titles in baseball ops departments is something like this:
General Manager
Assistant General Manager
Director
Assistant Director
Coordinator
Assistant
Intern

The GM and AGM are typically in charge of all areas of baseball ops.  Then each functional area is usually headed by a director.  These will typically include such areas as player development (also sometimes called minor league operations, or the director may be called the farm director), baseball ops (which is usually major league operations), pro scouting (major leagues, minor leagues), amateur scouting (college, high school), and international scouting.  Other responsibilities like video, advance scouting, analytics, or medical may be folded into one of the previously listed functional areas, or they may be split out in their own area with a director or coordinator in charge.  A coordinator is usually someone who is in charge of a smaller functional area, or assisting a director with a larger area but in a more administrative role.  For example, a scouting coordinator would often be the person who is assisting the scouts with setting their travel, helping them with expense reports, making sure they file their scouting reports, etc.  Whereas the director of scouting would typically be a person who defines the strategy for the scouting group, hires the scouts, and assigns their areas.  Obviously, not every team follows the same exact set of titles and responsibilities, but that's a general guideline for interpreting baseball ops titles across the industry.

Some teams will have a Manager level that, depending on how they use it, could either be similar to a Coordinator or between Director and Coordinator.

Kevin as coordinator was already responsible for the whole pro scouting function for the Astros, so it's not like he is replacing someone else in the Director role now.

I could so be a coordinator (as you described), in case you all ever need someone awesome to push the paper in the right areas.  I'm your gal, if the money were right.
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« Reply #96 on: January 07, 2014, 02:03:34 pm »
I could so be a coordinator (as you described), in case you all ever need someone awesome to push the paper in the right areas.  I'm your gal, if the money were right.

She is, I'll attest, but the entire U of H system would collapse if she left.
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« Reply #97 on: January 07, 2014, 02:19:30 pm »
She is, I'll attest, but the entire U of H system would collapse if she left.

Not the entire system.

But thanks!
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