PED-Day

[Limey]

MLB announcement set for noon EST today.  The buzz is still about A-Rod, who seems likely to appeal any suspension.  That will allow him to keep playing while others accept their wrist-slaps and go home for the rest of the season (but be back in time for the playoffs).

[Fredia]

so not fair.

[austro]

MLB announcement set for noon EST today.  The buzz is still about A-Rod, who seems likely to appeal any suspension.  That will allow him to keep playing while others accept their wrist-slaps and go home for the rest of the season (but be back in time for the playoffs).

I predict the speediest appeal hearing in baseball history.

[Bench]

MLB announcement set for noon EST today.  The buzz is still about A-Rod, who seems likely to appeal any suspension.  That will allow him to keep playing while others accept their wrist-slaps and go home for the rest of the season (but be back in time for the playoffs).

The announcement is being delayed until later in the day. 

[Limey]

The announcement is being delayed until later in the day. 

Presumably, they're still belaying rope out to A-Rod.

[MusicMan]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 13m
Among players accepting 50-game suspensions: #Rangers’ Cruz, #Tigers’ Peralta, #Phlllies’ Bastardo, #Mets’ Valdespin, #Padres’ Cabrera.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 11m
Colon, Grandal, Melky get no additional discipline. No violations found for #Nationals’ Gio Gonzalez. #Orioles’ Valencia. They are clear.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 7m
Also suspended: #Yankees’ Cervelli, #Mariners’ Montero, #Mets’ Puello, #Astros’ Escalona, #Padres’ De Los Santos, #Yankees’ F. Martinez.

[Matt]

Escalona is still an Astro?

[moriartp]

Escalona is still an Astro?

Yep, still with the organization. He's just been hurt forever.

[MusicMan]

Escalona is still an Astro?

At Corpus.

[Matt]

Glad to see the hated Mariners facing a Montero suspension. Fuckers.

[Uncle Charlie]

I find the connection to the ACES agency to be interesting.  I wonder, to the extent that they knew, if ACES will have their agency license pulled or suspended as well?  MLBTR has some interesting notes about the connection.

[Limey]

Reports are that A-Rod is the only player refusing to cop to a suspension.

[Matt]

Reports are that A-Rod is the only player refusing to cop to a suspension.

Of course he is.

[BudGirl]

At Corpus.

Yes, he's a Corpus.  He blew the Monday game I attended.  Watching him pitch made me feel like nothing different was in the minors. 

[MusicMan]

IMHO, former or current players, especially fringe players, are entitled to all the outrage they want.

Dan Meyer
‏@Dmy53
Hey Antonio Bastardo, remember when we competed for a job in 2011. Thx alot. #ahole

[NeilT]

Cervelli's on the DL through year end.  Wonder how they work that?

[Limey]

Cervelli's on the DL through year end.  Wonder how they work that?

Dose him up with HGH to get better, then ban him.

[Duman]

IMHO, former or current players, especially fringe players, are entitled to all the outrage they want.

Loved Stubby Clapps quote from when the Mitchel report came out on the issue of if he felt cheated because he played clean -

“I don’t have millions, but I have my dignity," he said. "I’m more satisfied with how I got there and can look my wife, my sons, my mom and dad and family in the eye and have a clean conscience.”

[OregonStrosFan]

Nelson Cruz' statement (via Passan's Twitter feed):

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan
In statement, Nelson Cruz says a GI sickness that caused him to lose 40 pounds prompted him to make "an error in judgment I deeply regret."

[Limey]

Nelson Cruz' statement (via Passan's Twitter feed):

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan
In statement, Nelson Cruz says a GI sickness that caused him to lose 40 pounds prompted him to make "an error in judgment I deeply regret."

Maybe this was the cause of the delay in the announcements; giving players time to come up with BS excuse, given that they weren't actually being required to admit anything.

[Limey]

Houston (poster) clearly cares more about Facebook than he does SnS.  He just posted this:

A-Rod suspended for 211 games

[MusicMan]

I laughed.

Richard Deitsch ‏@richarddeitsch 4m
I look forward to Russia granting Alex Rodriguez political asylum in the upcoming days.

[JimR]

Houston (poster) clearly cares more about Facebook than he does SnS.  He just posted this:

A-Rod suspended for 211 games

he is the King of Facebook.

[Fredia]

well said with absolute clairty

[chuck]

Houston (poster) clearly cares more about Facebook than he does SnS.  He just posted this:

A-Rod suspended for 211 games

I feel bad for all the Time Warner Cable customers who can't get to that link.

Wait, no I don't.

[Limey]

Apparently the fine folks at New Cominsky greeted A-Rod loudly and lustily last night.   They booed him during warm-ups, during introductions and every time he was involved in a play.  According to the AP, for his 1st AB, they would've drowned out a jet engine.

The even better news is that, as pointless as it is, booing someone like A-Rod never gets old.  #PRW

[Gizzmonic]

Maybe this was the cause of the delay in the announcements; giving players time to come up with BS excuse, given that they weren't actually being required to admit anything.

"Man, I can't stop shitting myself!  Maybe getting all 'roided up will help!"

[Limey]

Jimmy Kimmel explained recently that MLB picked the number 211 for the length of A-Rod's suspension, "because that's what his batting average would have been without the steroids".

Zing!

[hostros7]

Pujols enters the fray
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/after-pujols-says-he-ll-sue-over-steroids-remarks-clark/article_f5220a8b-891d-599a-a265-45b449399a90.html

I'm tired of PED talk, but would certainly trudge along through another episode happily if this schmuck is involved.

[subnuclear]

I would say that there is as much evidence against Pujols as there is against Bagwell. Two very strong, amazing hitters with consistent careers which tailed off in their 30s.

[hostros7]

No one associated with the Astros org has ever said that an Astros employee asserted that he shot up bagwell

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Pujols enters the fray
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/after-pujols-says-he-ll-sue-over-steroids-remarks-clark/article_f5220a8b-891d-599a-a265-45b449399a90.html

I'm tired of PED talk, but would certainly trudge along through another episode happily if this schmuck is involved.

Anyone familiar with Jack Clark's bankruptcy is aware that Jack Clark is an idiot. Kevin Slaten is an soon to be unemployed again, shit stirring sub-human piece of crap. I know this first hand from my years in Saint Louis. I couldn't think of two less credible and more bitter "sources." I hate the fucker and would love to see him exposed but these guys got nothing on Pujols but sound and fury.

[subnuclear]

No one associated with the Astros org has ever said that an Astros employee asserted that he shot up bagwell

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that's heresay not evidence.

[hostros7]

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that's heresay not evidence.

Didn't know we were limiting the discussion to legally permissible evidence.

I'm not saying pujols is guilty because of what Clark said, just making a point of distinction between him and bagwell.  Bagwell's guilt is presumed to do a combination of timing, injuries, and affiliation. 

[Limey]

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that's heresay not evidence.

Certainly not in a criminal trial* but, in a civil defamation suit, it may be entirely different.  Of course, Clark's source has already recanted in public, so it would be a pretty short proceeding.


* Not a lawyer either, but I have watched a number of episodes of Law and Order.

[Limey]

I'm not saying pujols is guilty because of what Clark said, just making a point of distinction between him and bagwell.  Bagwell's guilt is presumed to do a combination of timing, injuries, and affiliation.  

The affiliation element of this continues to chap my arse.  The Yankees continue to be rocked by PED scandals to this day yet, somehow, the fact that two Yankees played on the Astros for a little bit (at a time when Baggy's performance was waning due to injury) he's more guilty-by-association than other actual Yankees.  W...T...F?

I remember that it was "Baggy's Gym", not "Andy's Pharmacy".

[Bench]

Certainly not in a criminal trial* but, in a civil defamation suit, it may be entirely different.  Of course, Clark's source has already recanted in public, so it would be a pretty short proceeding.


* Not a lawyer either, but I have watched a number of episodes of Law and Order.

Hearsay is not always inadmissible.  And to get a little technical, if Jack Clark claims some former Cardinals guy told him he provided steroids to Pujols it's only hearsay if offered "for the truth of the matter asserted." It would still be relevant evidence in a defamation action to show that Clark's claim had some reasonable basis. 

[JimR]

Hearsay is not always inadmissible.  And to get a little technical, if Jack Clark claims some former Cardinals guy told him he provided steroids to Pujols it's only hearsay if offered "for the truth of the matter asserted." It would still be relevant evidence in a defamation action to show that Clark's claim had some reasonable basis. 

if it is not offered for the truth of the matter asserted, it is not hearsay.

[Limey]

Hearsay is not always inadmissible.  And to get a little technical, if Jack Clark claims some former Cardinals guy told him he provided steroids to Pujols it's only hearsay if offered "for the truth of the matter asserted." It would still be relevant evidence in a defamation action to show that Clark's claim had some reasonable basis. 

Awesome!  I need to hire a lawyer to explain a lawyer's explanation.

[Bench]

if it is not offered for the truth of the matter asserted, it is not hearsay.

Exactly.  Here it would be offered to show notice, not truth.

[Limey]

Exactly.  Here it would be offered to show notice, not truth.

E.g. "I notice that you aren't telling the truth"?

[das]

Exactly.  Here it would be offered to show notice, not truth.

OMG, please stop. I come here to get away from the lawyerly crap, not step right in it...

:^P