Author Topic: Nolan out in Arlington? (Read 9478 times)

moriartp · « **on:** March 04, 2013, 08:23:00 am »

And yes, the article raises the possibility of his return to Houston if he does indeed leave the Rangers.

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Ron Brand · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:33:09 am »

I've seen some noise on this earlier, and it's not like Galloway is the Font of Truth or anything like that, so who knows. Still, if this is the smoke and there is a fire somewhere, is this a reaction to:

a. Nolan is an insufferable dick

b. Nolan bungled the offseason for the last time, dammit

c. Nolan's got health problems and needs to step back.

Waldo · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:35:31 am »

Ha ha, sports fans.

Even after all that's happened, if Nolan Ryan wants a seat at the table in Houston then I make room for him. It was the Astros' (McLane's) ego and mismanagement that drove Ryan to Arlington. If he comes back to Houston because of the Rangers' ego and mismanagement, that would be delicious.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:53:33 am »

Quote from: Waldo on March 04, 2013, 08:35:31 am

Ha ha, sports fans.

Even after all that's happened, if Nolan Ryan wants a seat at the table in Houston then I make room for him. It was the Astros' (McLane's) ego and mismanagement that drove Ryan to Arlington. If he comes back to Houston because of the Rangers' ego and mismanagement, that would be delicious.

That would be some turn of events for sure. I still will always hold him partially to blame for the AL switch, although FYB deserves the lion's share of that blame.

jbm · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:34:17 am »

I would welcome him if he wants to be a figurehead or work on all things not personnel. I suspect there is a reason Daniels wanted him out of the personnel decisions. Oswalt, as one clear example. However, I would absolutely love to see Round Rock revert back to the good guys.

juliogotay · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:49:10 am »

Quote from: jbm on March 04, 2013, 09:34:17 am

I would welcome him if he wants to be a figurehead or work on all things not personnel. I suspect there is a reason Daniels wanted him out of the personnel decisions. Oswalt, as one clear example. However, I would absolutely love to see Round Rock revert back to the good guys.

The whole crux of this, it seems, is that he does not want to be a figurehead.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:17:17 am »

He has proven that he can take a train wreck and build a winner. Let him do it again.

Noe · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:20:30 am »

Quote from: jbm on March 04, 2013, 09:34:17 am

I would welcome him if he wants to be a figurehead or work on all things not personnel. I suspect there is a reason Daniels wanted him out of the personnel decisions. Oswalt, as one clear example. However, I would absolutely love to see Round Rock revert back to the good guys.

The last part of your statement intrigues me. One wonders about the far reaching implication, such as the Astros once again getting more attention in the Austin area because of the relationship between local team and mothership. In that regard, welcome home Nolan... we missed you buddy!

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:23:39 am »

I'd bring him back only if he could get them back to the NL.

juliogotay · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:25:22 am »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 04, 2013, 10:20:30 am

The last part of your statement intrigues me. One wonders about the far reaching implication, such as the Astros once again getting more attention in the Austin area because of the relationship between local team and mothership. In that regard, welcome home Nolan... we missed you buddy!

I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves. Nolan isn't being shown any door by the Rangers. Ownership wants him to stay. The odds of him returning to Houston are slim.

Noe · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:25:38 am »

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on March 04, 2013, 10:23:39 am

I'd bring him back only if he could get them back to the NL.

If Nolan had that sort of power, I'd even kiss his.... ahum.... ring. On his finger.

Noe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:26:24 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on March 04, 2013, 10:25:22 am

I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves. Nolan isn't being shown any door by the Rangers. Ownership wants him to stay. The odds of him returning to Houston are slim.

Never say never. Pagan!

Reuben · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2013, 01:57:14 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on March 04, 2013, 10:26:24 am

Never say never. Pagan!

Leave Angel Pagan out of this.

OldBlevins · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2013, 02:15:10 pm »

I don't care about that, but I'd want him back if he could bring the Astros farm team back to Austin.

Quote from: Ty in Tampa on March 04, 2013, 10:23:39 am

I'd bring him back only if he could get them back to the NL.

JimR · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2013, 02:15:20 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on March 04, 2013, 10:25:22 am

I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves. Nolan isn't being shown any door by the Rangers. Ownership wants him to stay. The odds of him returning to Houston are slim.

not so as to first sentence

roadrunner · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2013, 03:27:20 pm »

Fuck Nolan. That guy is the same guy that was a big part of your favorite team moving to the AL.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:01:10 pm »

Quote from: roadrunner on March 04, 2013, 03:27:20 pm

Fuck Nolan. That guy is the same guy that was a big part of your favorite team moving to the AL.

I want to say that too.

But. That was his job. While he and Crane were lubing up McLane and Selig for the eventually assfucking the Astro fans took, he was doing what was in the best interests of the Rangers Baseball club at the time.

For the past half dozen years the Astros have not had anyone operating in that capacity, and I'm dubious of the current state.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:32:01 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on March 04, 2013, 05:01:10 pm

I want to say that too.

But. That was his job. While he and Crane were lubing up McLane and Selig for the eventually assfucking the Astro fans took, he was doing what was in the best interests of the Rangers Baseball club at the time.

For the past half dozen years the Astros have not had anyone operating in that capacity, and I'm dubious of the current state.

Does anything that new management/ownership is doing on the field that has you feeling this way? I like the hires of Luhnow and Porter. I like the draft of last year. I like the new radio broadcast team. I like the commitment to build from the ground up, as I believe that the clubs committed to that strategy are the most successful.

Fredia · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:33:00 pm »

you nailed it , seems like after the world series that it has been downhill we have several popes on this site (i am close) maybe they can perform a micerale

NeilT · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:48:11 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on March 04, 2013, 05:33:00 pm

we have several popes on this site . . . maybe they can perform a micerale

As I recall the Latin mass, the Micerale is usually sung immediately after the Sanctus, before the Agnus Dei. Maybe the Popes at opening day can perform the Micerale for us? After beer, but before cigars?

VirtualBob · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:13:07 pm »

Quote from: Fredia on March 04, 2013, 05:33:00 pm

[NSFcoach]

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Yes ... They are very good at performing micerales.

juliogotay · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:17:31 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on March 04, 2013, 05:01:10 pm

I want to say that too.

But. That was his job. While he and Crane were lubing up McLane and Selig for the eventually assfucking the Astro fans took, he was doing what was in the best interests of the Rangers Baseball club at the time.

For the past half dozen years the Astros have not had anyone operating in that capacity, and I'm dubious of the current state.

Your second paragraph. Exactly right. Many on this board seem to take it personally.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:20:01 pm »

All this tail-chasing is entertaining in its own way, but I want to know why Ryan appears to be on the outs.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:57:31 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 04, 2013, 06:20:01 pm

All this tail-chasing is entertaining in its own way, but I want to know why Ryan appears to be on the outs.

Totally wild ass speculation on my part, but Daniels obviously felt that Ryan was interfering enough with his work that he went to ownership with an ultimatum and won the day.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2013, 07:15:39 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on March 04, 2013, 05:32:01 pm

Does anything that new management/ownership is doing on the field that has you feeling this way?

Well, they're still pretty shitty team on the field... this might not be as shitty as they can get, however, they can only get a little shittier before they finally have start getting better. I'm optimistic and hope they totally out perform expectations but first they have to quit being so shitty on the field. That said, finishing 15-15 to close the year was fantastic and allows me to dream.

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I like the hires of Luhnow and Porter. I like the draft of last year.

They had to hire someone. I hope Porter can inspire the young lads. Luhnow's and the draft's verdicts can't really honestly be read for two or three years, maybe four. I'll tell you this, Crane has hard-on for and wants to emulate the Cardinals, good, they are a successful organization. At least he didn't grow up a Cubs or Mets fan.

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I like the new radio broadcast team.

I do too. I consider the radio team an improvement. I hope I get a chance to critique the Brown Ash team at some point this coming season.

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I like the commitment to build from the ground up...

The best approach when one has hit bottom.

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as I believe that the clubs committed to that strategy are the most successful.

If that's true, I hope to see Royals vs Pirates in the World Series this year.. or next, or even the year after that, but then the Astros reign fucking begins!

juliogotay · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2013, 07:33:52 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on March 04, 2013, 06:57:31 pm

Totally wild ass speculation on my part, but Daniels obviously felt that Ryan was interfering enough with his work that he went to ownership with an ultimatum and won the day.

Seems to be. The interesting thing up here ( I live in the Metroplex and am subjected to Ranger talk ad-nauseum) is that there was a rumor last week that Daniels was in trouble. I couldn't imagine that....he's done a terrific job. Now, with Daniels winning the apparant power struggle with Nolan, Washington is a little less secure.

If Ryan leaves I think it will be his call all the way but they may be making it easy for him to do so. Does that mean Maddux would look elsewhere...at least after this season?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2013, 08:03:22 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on March 04, 2013, 07:33:52 pm

Does that mean Maddux would look elsewhere...at least after this season?

I wonder who he'd reach out to...

roadrunner · « **Reply #27 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:36:28 pm »

I attribute the Rangers success to Daniels, not Nolan. I don't want washed up Metroplex trash. We already have Clemens anyways.

Reuben · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2013, 11:23:20 pm »

Quote from: roadrunner on March 04, 2013, 09:36:28 pm

I attribute the Rangers success to Daniels, not Nolan. I don't want washed up Metroplex trash. We already have Clemens anyways.

DQ Sr. & DQ Jr. Perfect.

Duman · « **Reply #29 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:05:07 am »

Other than his name and his long toss philosophy, what does Nolan bring to the table. I am not sure he would want to work at a place where his suggestions are run through Sig and the decision sciences team before approval.

NeilT · « **Reply #30 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:05:52 am »

Quote from: AppyAstros on March 05, 2013, 10:05:07 am

Other than his name and his long toss philosophy, what does Nolan bring to the table. I am not sure he would want to work at a place where his suggestions are run through Sig and the decision sciences team before approval.

The Round Rock Express?

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:11:15 am »

Has anyone considered the possibility that, at 66, Ryan's age is beginning to work against him in Texas?

roadrunner · « **Reply #32 on:** March 05, 2013, 10:45:23 am »

Quote from: NeilT on March 05, 2013, 10:05:52 am

The Round Rock Express?

I know there are lot of Austinites here, but I don't care about this. It's not worth getting on our knees to bring Nolan back like he's some savior of the organization. I'd rather they never mention his name again at Minute Maid Park. Celebrate the real legends like Biggio/Bagwell/Spiers.

jbm · « **Reply #33 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:01:12 am »

Something looks wrong with that list.

Noe · « **Reply #34 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:11:25 am »

Quote from: roadrunner on March 05, 2013, 10:45:23 am

I know there are lot of Austinites here, but I don't care about this. It's not worth getting on our knees to bring Nolan back like he's some savior of the organization. I'd rather they never mention his name again at Minute Maid Park. Celebrate the real legends like Biggio/Bagwell/Spiers.

Careful, someone may think you're taking all this personally!

Noe · « **Reply #35 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:12:14 am »

Quote from: jbm on March 05, 2013, 11:01:12 am

Something looks wrong with that list.

Only that he left out "The Great Bill..." in front of "Spiers".

Limey · « **Reply #36 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:48:24 am »

Quote from: roadrunner on March 05, 2013, 10:45:23 am

Celebrate the real legends like Biggio/Bagwell/Spiers.

"Who?"
- Crane, Luhnow etc.

Bench · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2013, 12:15:09 pm »

Quote from: Limey on March 05, 2013, 11:48:24 am

"Who?"
- Crane, Luhnow etc.

Are you kidding? With his multiple position eligibility Spiers would have been all over Luhnow's mid 90's fantasy teams.

JimR · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:34:10 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 04, 2013, 06:20:01 pm

All this tail-chasing is entertaining in its own way, but I want to know why Ryan appears to be on the outs.

he lost.

Reuben · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2013, 02:48:28 pm »

Quote from: JimR on March 05, 2013, 01:34:10 pm

he lost.

But what was the battle about, exactly? Did he just want more power, period, or did he want them to do things a certain way, sign certain players, that kind of thing, and got overruled and is now huffy about it?

NeilT · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:17:27 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on March 05, 2013, 02:48:28 pm

But what was the battle about, exactly? Did he just want more power, period, or did he want them to do things a certain way, sign certain players, that kind of thing, and got overruled and is now huffy about it?

He slept with everyone in the office. Or was that Silver Linings Playbook?

juliogotay · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:08:15 pm »

Quote from: Reuben on March 05, 2013, 02:48:28 pm

But what was the battle about, exactly? Did he just want more power, period, or did he want them to do things a certain way, sign certain players, that kind of thing, and got overruled and is now huffy about it?

Who really knows? I live up here and it's not really clear if there was friction between Ryan and Daniels or basic philosophic differences. The common thought is that Ryan was somehow preventing Daniels from making some moves he wanted to make. Perhaps going after Lohse was one. Nothing is clear and may never be. Several guys have been promoted and given more authority including the one for the business affairs which Ryan was very involved in. I don't think they want Ryan to go away but just to have less say-so in the day-to-day affairs. He may not be interested in that. We'll see.

MusicMan · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:51:51 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on March 05, 2013, 03:17:27 pm

He slept with everyone in the office. Or was that Silver Linings Playbook?

Jennifer Lawrence could make a lot of guys make bad decisions.

NeilT · « **Reply #43 on:** March 06, 2013, 09:54:06 am »

This seems balanced.

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-06-13-will-he-stay-or-go-rumors-about-nolan-ryans-departure-put-texas-rangers-reputation-on-the-line/?utm_source=sf_facebook

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Ron Brand · « **Reply #44 on:** March 08, 2013, 03:13:12 pm »

Fangraphs has a nice breakdown.

subnuclear · « **Reply #45 on:** March 08, 2013, 03:33:26 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on March 08, 2013, 03:13:12 pm

Fangraphs has a nice breakdown.

I did not notice that Ryan hired Tim Purpura. Fangraphs has a lot of quality output.

mrpink · « **Reply #46 on:** March 08, 2013, 03:50:38 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on March 05, 2013, 05:51:51 pm

Jennifer Lawrence could make a lot of guys make bad decisions.

From Kentucky, 2.5/10. Wouldn't bang.

Limey · « **Reply #47 on:** March 08, 2013, 04:34:58 pm »

Quote from: mrpink on March 08, 2013, 03:50:38 pm

From Kentucky, 2.5/10. Wouldn't bang.

Of. Course. You. Wouldn't.

MusicMan · « **Reply #48 on:** March 08, 2013, 04:50:59 pm »

Quote from: mrpink on March 08, 2013, 03:50:38 pm

Wouldn't bang.

And thus was I proven correct.

moriartp · « **Reply #49 on:** March 08, 2013, 05:47:22 pm »

Quote from: mrpink on March 08, 2013, 03:50:38 pm

From Kentucky, 2.5/10. Wouldn't bang.

Yeah.

juliogotay · « **Reply #50 on:** March 10, 2013, 05:59:48 pm »

Press conference today with Ryan announcing that he's had productive meetings in past days with Ranger majority owners and that he hasn't decided if he will accept the new role. Well, he didn't say the latter just that they've had meetings. IWO, nothing. But he didn't quit.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #51 on:** March 10, 2013, 07:20:57 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on March 10, 2013, 05:59:48 pm

Press conference today with Ryan announcing that he's had productive meetings in past days with Ranger majority owners and that he hasn't decided if he will accept the new role. Well, he didn't say the latter just that they've had meetings. IWO, nothing. But he didn't quit.

Typical drama queen senior. He hasn't decided whether he's going to take his ball and go home yet. Poor baby.

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #52 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:24:51 pm »

I quit paying attention after the second day of the press announcing that they had no clue what was going on but were willing to share seventy-four wild rumors they'd collected from random sources. Somebody'll tell me when he makes a move or goes away.

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #53 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:25:31 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on March 04, 2013, 08:35:31 am

It was the Astros' (McLane's) ego and mismanagement that drove Ryan to Arlington. If he comes back to Houston because of the Rangers' ego and mismanagement, that would be delicious.

This, however, I do agree with. Har dee har har.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:30:46 pm »

I got a laugh out of this exchange.

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Jose de Jesus Ortiz ‏@OrtizKicks

I asked Crane if he had met Nolan Ryan much, and he said, "I met him on the courthouse steps."
Retweeted by Brian T. Smith

"Nolan was great in Houston and great in the Rangers," Crane said. "He’s got his Hall of Fame (plaque) where?"

Ryan is in the Hall in a Rangers cap. “There you go,” Crane said.