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« on: December 29, 2012, 06:36:09 pm »
3rd-and-12, 3rd-and-13, 3rd-and-anything, Horns appear capable of giving it up. Story of the season.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 07:18:10 pm »
They make my eyes hurt.
Everyone's talking, few of them know
The rest are pretending, they put on a show
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 07:35:08 pm »
I keep wondering how the pre-eminent state university in a football-crazy state can't find five offensive linemen who can create even a modest hole.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 07:43:22 pm »
I keep wondering how the pre-eminent state university in a football-crazy state can't find five offensive linemen who can create even a modest hole.

You misunderstand. The team has loads of talent.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 08:21:44 pm »
You misunderstand. The team has loads of talent.
And well they should.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 08:33:57 pm »
Untalented? Poorly coached? Both? I can't decide.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 08:37:25 pm »
I have moments where I still care,but I feel indifferent about this group most of the time.  I will say this, we were all wrong on David Ash earlier this year.  He can't make reads which is why any decent defense renders him ineffective.  The OL is garbage and this is one of the worst defenses in Texas history.  In conclusion,  it's past time for an entire new coaching staff.   
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 08:41:27 pm »
Untalented? Poorly coached? Both? I can't decide.

Defense is a mostly a scheme issue with Manny, and some youth at linebacker and safety.  Offense, Ash can't read a defense, and the OL cannot push people off the ball(recruiting there was horrible until the last two years when Searles took over)

However, the biggest problem:  the team plays like a reflection of Mack Brown, soft. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 08:44:04 pm »
Example: last drive Ash runs outside of the tackle box, has nothing there and instead of throwing the ball away takes a sack.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 08:57:12 pm »
Untalented? Poorly coached? Both? I can't decide.

Since I'm not an alum I'm evidently not eligible to voice an opinion, hence I'll refrain...  However, I'm not particularly confident of winning my friendly wager on the game made with / cajoled into it by my OSU grad boss (and would likely be better off in the long run if I lose it)...

Example: last drive Ash runs outside of the tackle box, has nothing there and instead of throwing the ball away takes a sack.

Then again, not a bad effort there on the drive/TD to bring them within 3 at 24-27...  I might win the ole' friendly wager after all...
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 09:00:04 pm »
Since I'm not an alum I'm evidently not eligible to voice an opinion, hence I'll refrain...  However, I'm not particularly confident of winning my friendly wager on the game made with / cajoled into it by my OSU grad boss (and would likely be better off in the long run if I lose it)...

Then again, not a bad effort there on the drive/TD to bring them within 3 at 24-27...  I might win the ole' friendly wager after all...

The play to Gray was one of the first times this year Ash made a play when things break down.  I didn't see that coming.  

And if this game saves Diaz's job, I won't be a happy alum.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2012, 09:16:15 pm »
I think that stop-and-go was the first one they ran all night, and it worked wonderfully. Props to Major for that call.

Okafor was an animal on that last sack.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2012, 09:18:58 pm »
I think that stop-and-go was the first one they ran all night, and it worked wonderfully. Props to Major for that call.

Okafor was an animal on that last sack.

They ran it once in the first half as well, but Goodwin lost the ball in the roof in the end zone(he was open).  I think that's 10 sacks. 

And Okafor better get Alamo Bowl MVP.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 09:59:53 pm »
What a shitfest that game was.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 10:09:25 pm »
What a shitfest that game was.

You won't get an argument from me,  but who cares? A win is a win.  I'd still like to see Mack gone, and Diaz better be no where near the 40 acres next fall if holding people accountable for poor performance is valued.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2012, 12:55:42 am »
And let me add, congrats on the W there Longhorns! Done the Big XII proud (not to mention got me a free lunch out of the deal)!
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2012, 09:05:18 am »
At points, Ash looks like he's showing signs of pulling it together, and then he appears to regress a bit. Still, a win is a win. Okafur is a man out there! That was one of the better individual defensive efforts I've seen in some time, although the rest of the defense is pretty meh.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2012, 12:36:11 pm »
I think one thing we've learned over the past few days is that middle of the pack Big XII teams > top of the pack Pac 12 teams.  UCLA and Oregon State both looked pretty damn bad.

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2012, 04:13:22 pm »
At points, Ash looks like he's showing signs of pulling it together, and then he appears to regress a bit. Still, a win is a win. Okafur is a man out there! That was one of the better individual defensive efforts I've seen in some time, although the rest of the defense is pretty meh.

Not sure what you mean by "showing signs." He showed as far back as Ole Miss and Oklahoma State that he was capable of making plays downfield and leading scoring drives under pressure. Since then he has also showed inconsistent and erratic play. I don't personally think last night showed anything other than he played well in the second half.

He's a true sophomore QB playing behind an O-Line that is average at best. He has talent to work with at the skill positions, yet the offense's default more often than not was to play conservatively, and I don't know whether that was due to a lack of confidence in his ability or just a bizarre dogma that "football should be played that way" (I suspect the latter more than the former).

Next season Texas will have a junior in Ash and redshirt freshmen in Overstreet and Brewer. I don't personally believe that Ash earned the right to automatically be named starter - not that my opinion matters - but if he shows anything remotely close to the level of improvement from 12 to 13 that he did from 11 to 12, then he'll win the job and probably have a good season.

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2012, 04:23:49 pm »
Not sure what you mean by "showing signs." He showed as far back as Ole Miss and Oklahoma State that he was capable of making plays downfield and leading scoring drives under pressure. Since then he has also showed inconsistent and erratic play. I don't personally think last night showed anything other than he played well in the second half.

He's a true sophomore QB playing behind an O-Line that is average at best. He has talent to work with at the skill positions, yet the offense's default more often than not was to play conservatively, and I don't know whether that was due to a lack of confidence in his ability or just a bizarre dogma that "football should be played that way" (I suspect the latter more than the former).

Next season Texas will have a junior in Ash and redshirt freshmen in Overstreet and Brewer. I don't personally believe that Ash earned the right to automatically be named starter - not that my opinion matters - but if he shows anything remotely close to the level of improvement from 12 to 13 that he did from 11 to 12, then he'll win the job and probably have a good season.


I'm sure they will declare that all jobs are open. REalistically, I dont think there is a guy on campus that will seriously challenge Ash. MB has alot riding on next year. Ash is his best shot. I think he'll thrive under Applewhite.

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2012, 05:34:56 pm »
Not sure what you mean by "showing signs." He showed as far back as Ole Miss and Oklahoma State that he was capable of making plays downfield and leading scoring drives under pressure. Since then he has also showed inconsistent and erratic play. I don't personally think last night showed anything other than he played well in the second half.

He's a true sophomore QB playing behind an O-Line that is average at best. He has talent to work with at the skill positions, yet the offense's default more often than not was to play conservatively, and I don't know whether that was due to a lack of confidence in his ability or just a bizarre dogma that "football should be played that way" (I suspect the latter more than the former).

Next season Texas will have a junior in Ash and redshirt freshmen in Overstreet and Brewer. I don't personally believe that Ash earned the right to automatically be named starter - not that my opinion matters - but if he shows anything remotely close to the level of improvement from 12 to 13 that he did from 11 to 12, then he'll win the job and probably have a good season.

Frankly, I thought that he played well in the second half of the game and was money when it counted. If you have someone better behind him, the QB spot is in good shape for next season, in my opinion.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2012, 08:45:55 pm »
I didnt say they had someone better behind him.

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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2012, 09:36:57 pm »
I didnt say they had someone better behind him.

The question is "is there anyone better  than Case" because he may not be playing for Texas next year.

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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2012, 12:00:51 pm »
I didnt say they had someone better behind him.

I didn't say that you said that. You said that the job shouldn't just be handed to him next season without competition. Fair enough. My point is that if you have someone who beats out Ash, then you've got a good stable of quarterbacks that is far deeper than most other schools, LSU included.
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2012, 01:49:40 pm »
I didn't say that you said that. You said that the job shouldn't just be handed to him next season without competition. Fair enough. My point is that if you have someone who beats out Ash, then you've got a good stable of quarterbacks that is far deeper than most other schools, LSU included.

QB is the least of Texas's issues.  Manny Diaz's defense and the soft, entitled attitude allowed by Mack are much bigger concerns.  If Diaz is defensive coordinator next fall, i'll be pissed off and ashamed.  Oregon State could've run every play up the middle and beat Texas soundly.  And that's sad.
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2012, 01:49:54 pm »
Gotcha. Well Brewer was supposed to be "the guy." I'm not as critical of Ash as some, who expect every QB to reach VY/Colt level of greatness.

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2012, 01:54:54 pm »
Gotcha. Well Brewer was supposed to be "the guy." I'm not as critical of Ash as some, who expect every QB to reach VY/Colt level of greatness.

I guess it remains to be seen if Brewer sticks around.  His sister transferred to USC and Harsin bailed. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2012, 04:06:18 pm »
QB is the least of Texas's issues.  Manny Diaz's defense and the soft, entitled attitude allowed by Mack are much bigger concerns.  If Diaz is defensive coordinator next fall, i'll be pissed off and ashamed.  Oregon State could've run every play up the middle and beat Texas soundly.  And that's sad.

I agree with this. Had the defense been half of what was expected, they would have been a BSC team this season.
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2013, 06:56:59 am »
I think one thing we've learned over the past few days is that middle of the pack Big XII teams > top of the pack Pac 12 teams.  UCLA and Oregon State both looked pretty damn bad.

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