Author Topic: Texas vs Kansas (Read 6386 times)

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **on:** October 27, 2012, 11:55:39 am »

Tied up at seven all. Longhorns are employing "the matador" defensive scheme.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:04:41 pm »

Rice was able to come from behind to beat Kansas.

Waldo · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:07:38 pm »

Kansas up 14-7 after more pitiful defense. KU already has 165 rushing yards and we're not even to the half yet.

If Texas loses this game, do Mack AND Dodds lose their jobs?

chuck · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:19:25 pm »

Mack Brown is and has always been a money making engine rather than a football coach. If the team wants to win they will find someone who will win. (The had one fairly recently.) If they want to make money and maybe win then Mack will stay around.

But I think people need to recognize that Mack or no Mack this Texas team has zero talent.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:37:07 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 27, 2012, 12:19:25 pm

But I think people need to recognize that Mack or no Mack this Texas team has zero talent.

And who's fault is that?

chuck · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:47:42 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on October 27, 2012, 12:37:07 pm

And who's fault is that?

My point obviously is if you changed coaches tomorrow it would be foolish to expect some sort of magical turnaround.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:49:04 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 27, 2012, 12:47:42 pm

My point obviously is if you changed coaches tomorrow it would be foolish to expect some sort of magical turnaround.

All the more reason you need to change coaches tomorrow.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:07:53 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on October 27, 2012, 12:49:04 pm

All the more reason you need to change coaches tomorrow.

I think that the game has passed Mack by. He needs to go, but Chuck is right. The level of talent at Texas seems suspect.

chuck · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:14:37 pm »

This is unbelievable. The team is hilariously bad.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:39:35 pm »

~~MacGuffin~~ McCoy in at QB. Hilarity abounds. Mack has a created a topic diversion.

Waldo · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:49:53 pm »

I am consoled by the fact that the only thing worse than losing to the worst team in the Big 12 would be hearing the same miserable bullshit out of Bellmont after eking out an embarrassing win over the worst team in the Big 12.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:59:35 pm »

Quote from: Waldo on October 27, 2012, 01:49:53 pm

I am consoled by the fact that the only thing worse than losing to the worst team in the Big 12 would be hearing the same miserable bullshit out of Bellmont after eking out an embarrassing win over the worst team in the Big 12.

There Will Be Bullshit.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:44:34 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 27, 2012, 12:19:25 pm

Mack Brown is and has always been a money making engine rather than a football coach. If the team wants to win they will find someone who will win. (The had one fairly recently.) If they want to make money and maybe win then Mack will stay around.

But I think people need to recognize that Mack or no Mack this Texas team has zero talent.

Come on, chuck, there is talent galore; it's just not being developed to its potential.

chuck · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:51:39 pm »

Quote from: ybbodeus on October 27, 2012, 02:44:34 pm

Come on, chuck, there is talent galore; it's just not being developed to its potential.

Let's see how many of these guys play in the NFL. There may be one guy on the entire team who'll have any sort of NFL career.

On another note Dave Raymond is calling the USM - Rice game with ND Kalu. Much to my surprise his hyperactivity is markedly less irritating on top of a football game.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:09:12 pm »

Quote from: chuck on October 27, 2012, 02:51:39 pm

Let's see how many of these guys play in the NFL. There may be one guy on the entire team who'll have any sort of NFL career.

On another note Dave Raymond is calling the USM - Rice game with ND Kalu. Much to my surprise his hyperactivity is markedly less irritating on top of a football game.

You might be surprised - the atrocious teams at Stanford while I was there had a bunch of people go on to at least decent NFL careers (Trent Edwards, OJ Atogwe, Greg Camarillo, Evan Moore, Erik Lorig, Alex Smith, Will Svitek, TJ Rushing, Leigh Torrence, Amon Gordon all have had multi-year nfl careers).

remy · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:10:17 pm »

The dropped INT by KU there at the end was killer.

JimR · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:41:02 pm »

zero talent? bullshit. zero coaching. plenty of talent.

austro · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2012, 04:11:33 pm »

Quote from: JimR on October 27, 2012, 03:41:02 pm

zero talent? bullshit. zero coaching. plenty of talent.

The coaching is horrible. Here's just one example among many. My wife and I were watching the end of the 2nd quarter when UT succeeded in pinning Kansas inside their 5-yard line for a punt. I was wondering whether they would go for the block or try to set up a return. The ball is snapped and there's not even a token rush (which is a defensible decision but disappointing to me), so I figure that they're setting up a return. Then the camera pans out and we see that not one, not two, but three Kansas guys have outraced the UT "blockers" and are drawing a bead on the returner. The ball hits the ground and bounces, and *then* the returner decides to run up and grab the ball. Naturally, he got clobbered. The *only* positive thing on that play was the lack of a fumble.

Absolutely pathetic.

I think it's unfortunate that they accidentally rescued the game with that long pass to Davis, thereby postponing the day of reckoning. A loss to Kansas would have provided a much-needed moment of clarity. Instead, we'll hear about the wasted red zone chances, and how the game wasn't as close as the score, etc, etc. They probably won't even mention the fact that the Kansas kid should have intercepted that awful pass from McCoy, effectively ending the game and sealing a UT loss.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2012, 04:18:42 pm »

There's NFL-level talent, and there's college-level talent. Zero level talent at the collegiate level would apply to what one would see at my wife's university--Columbia. Go, Blue Lions!

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2012, 05:53:00 pm »

Meanwhile, K-Sate is slaughtering Tech. 55 - 14 with 5 min left in the 4th.

ybbodeus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 27, 2012, 06:03:13 pm »

That's a 42 point second half??? Good God, Snyderball has gone viral.

drew corleone · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2012, 05:04:50 pm »

Quote from: JimR on October 27, 2012, 03:41:02 pm

zero talent? bullshit. zero coaching. plenty of talent.

This right here.

Phil_in_CS · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2012, 05:40:22 pm »

Don't get talent, aptitude, and skills mixed up. Kids might have talent, but it takes coaching to take a top high school player and move that into a top college player. Strength and Conditioning, skill and technique work, and play calling all are required. Indeed, the coaching of matching the play calling to the boys you have at present might be in most important factor in many teams.

That was my biggest gripe when Fran was at A&M. We'd see kids go in the wrong direction, and play better as sophomores than as seniors. A tail back bulking up and getting massive, but losing the explosive cuts/turns, or guys that knew how to tackle getting congrats from the coaches for big hits rather than wrapping the runner up.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2012, 07:43:35 pm »

Quote from: Phil_in_CS on October 28, 2012, 05:40:22 pm

Don't get talent, aptitude, and skills mixed up. Kids might have talent, but it takes coaching to take a top high school player and move that into a top college player. Strength and Conditioning, skill and technique work, and play calling all are required. Indeed, the coaching of matching the play calling to the boys you have at present might be in most important factor in many teams.

That was my biggest gripe when Fran was at A&M. We'd see kids go in the wrong direction, and play better as sophomores than as seniors. A tail back bulking up and getting massive, but losing the explosive cuts/turns, or guys that knew how to tackle getting congrats from the coaches for big hits rather than wrapping the runner up.

+1 When I agreed with Chuck about a seeming lack of talent, I didn't mean a lack of raw talent--there's probably a ton at Texas. However, for whatever reason, the raw talent isn't developing to its full potential. It's either a case of the kids not working hard enough or smart enough, or not being coached up properly. I suspect that it is the latter.

juliogotay · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2012, 09:26:07 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on October 28, 2012, 07:43:35 pm

+1 When I agreed with Chuck about a seeming lack of talent, I didn't mean a lack of raw talent--there's probably a ton at Texas. However, for whatever reason, the raw talent isn't developing to its full potential. It's either a case of the kids not working hard enough or smart enough, or not being coached up properly. I suspect that it is the latter.

This. Most of these Texas kids had several Top 10 programs, or at least TAMU and OU after them. Many were recruited by LSU and many of the Big 12 schools. Regardless of what one thinks about the Recruiting boards UT is often a Top 5 recruiting class. In recruiting they run in the same circles as LSU, Alabama, Florida, USC, Ohio State. And I would say generally ahead of OU. The ND coaches have done a fabulous job of bringing that program back. And without a top QB. I wonder if Big Game
wants to see Mack leave Texas?

DVauthrin · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2012, 04:25:03 pm »

Quote from: JimR on October 27, 2012, 03:41:02 pm

zero talent? bullshit. zero coaching. plenty of talent.

Agree 100% here. Texas has recruited far too many 4 and 5 star athletes to say they aren't talented. Mack is the one that instituted no tackling practices this year, and look at how that has worked out. Manny Diaz is the one that refuses to abandon his stunting and motion when it clearly isn't working. I also feel like Harsin over utilizes Bergeron, and underutilizes Daje Johnson and Jonathan Gray at times. He also gets too cute in his play calling at times. The o-line is still an issue in year 2 with Searles. Of course, it all starts with the now senile Mack Brown. His excuses this year are laughable.

FWIW, Charlie Weis gave the biggest indictment of Diaz and his defense Saturday at halftime when he basically said, Texas is moving themselves out of position on defense, so I'm going to keep giving it to number 29 because it's working. Keep in mind that's the head coach of a 1-7 team that lost to Rice at home talking.

juliogotay · « **Reply #26 on:** October 29, 2012, 08:37:06 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on October 29, 2012, 04:25:03 pm

Agree 100% here. Texas has recruited far too many 4 and 5 star athletes to say they aren't talented. Mack is the one that instituted no tackling practices this year, and look at how that has worked out. Manny Diaz is the one that refuses to abandon his stunting and motion when it clearly isn't working. I also feel like Harsin over utilizes Bergeron, and underutilizes Daje Johnson and Jonathan Gray at times. He also gets too cute in his play calling at times. The o-line is still an issue in year 2 with Searles. Of course, it all starts with the now senile Mack Brown. His excuses this year are laughable.

FWIW, Charlie Weis gave the biggest indictment of Diaz and his defense Saturday at halftime when he basically said, Texas is moving themselves out of position on defense, so I'm going to keep giving it to number 29 because it's working. Keep in mind that's the head coach of a 1-7 team that lost to Rice at home talking.

I'm not sure MB doesn't get in Harsin's way.Could be we'd see a little different offesive plan if Harsin were left alone.

MusicMan · « **Reply #27 on:** October 29, 2012, 09:42:47 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on October 29, 2012, 08:37:06 pm

I'm not sure MB doesn't get in Harsin's way..

Gee, y'think?

Waldo · « **Reply #28 on:** October 30, 2012, 10:59:18 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on October 29, 2012, 08:37:06 pm

I'm not sure MB doesn't get in Harsin's way.Could be we'd see a little different offesive plan if Harsin were left alone.

They are still "having trouble finding ways to get [name of productive player] in the game." Don't know if Mack has actually used that line yet this season but I know we've heard it since Davis was canned. For a large part of Saturday's game DJ Monroe and/or Jonathan Gray were riding the bench, would come in and break off a 7-9 yard run, and were then sent right back to the bench. The coordinators have changed but the same old bullshit prevails.

I used to give Mack a pass and think that Greg Davis was the problem. I now see that Davis was only part of the problem.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #29 on:** October 30, 2012, 11:02:48 am »

To be fair, Iowa isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

Waldo · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2012, 11:04:12 am »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on October 30, 2012, 11:02:48 am

To be fair, Iowa isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

Of course Davis doesn't get a pass, hence why I said that Davis was part of the problem.

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2012, 11:23:17 am »

Quote from: Waldo on October 30, 2012, 11:04:12 am

Of course Davis doesn't get a pass

Well, he gets a pass, but it can't go further than 2 yards.

chuck · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2012, 12:18:44 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 30, 2012, 11:23:17 am

Well, he gets a pass, but it can't go further than 2 yards.

It's like this thread was just an elaborate set-up.

JimR · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2012, 01:33:25 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 30, 2012, 11:23:17 am

Well, he gets a pass, but it can't go further than 2 yards.

that is Mack Brown, not Davis.

drew corleone · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2012, 02:57:50 pm »

Rumblings on the Intertubes of dissension on the coaching staff and a heated exchange between Dodds and Mack after the game last week... could all be bullshit, but wouldn't shock me if it were true.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #35 on:** October 30, 2012, 02:58:17 pm »

Quote from: JimR on October 30, 2012, 01:33:25 pm

that is Mack Brown, not Davis.

Agreed. When Greg Davis was the head coach at Tulane, they aired it out pretty regularly.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #36 on:** October 30, 2012, 03:15:44 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on October 30, 2012, 02:57:50 pm

Rumblings on the Intertubes of dissension on the coaching staff and a heated exchange between Dodds and Mack after the game last week... could all be bullshit, but wouldn't shock me if it were true.

Burton says it's BS. FWIW.

Duke · « **Reply #37 on:** October 30, 2012, 03:22:12 pm »

Quote from: JimR on October 30, 2012, 01:33:25 pm

that is Mack Brown, not Davis.

Agreed 100% Texas is still throwing the ball sidline to sidline. IIRC the only pass over the middle against KU was the 4th and 6 that McCoy completed to Shipley. It's a mystery to me why they don't attack the middle of the field.