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« on: September 28, 2012, 11:08:24 am »
Monster fight back by Furyk and Snedeker to claw back the Macs' 3-hole lead.  They were 3-down with 7 to play but are now all square on the 17th tee.

It was all-Euro early on, but the US has posted the first point of the tournament and are projecting out to win the morning foursomes 2 1/2 to 1 1/2.

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 01:15:09 pm »
Trying to watch on my slingbox at work, but our Internet is slow to it freezes every 10 seconds. I think I'm going to call it a day after my 2pm call and spend the rest of the afternoon on the couch... maybe try that Timber IPA I picked up in Mississippi.

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 10:05:44 am »
Johnny Miller. Why?
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 08:28:26 pm »
Johnny Miller. Why?
I hear ya'll, but I'm mellowing on my previous annoyance with Miller. Additionally, I got a kick out of HBU alum Colin Montgomerie during the morning session. Was at a funeral and missed the afternoon golf.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 05:20:21 pm »
I understand that even the French were embarrassed by the US Ryder Cup teams complete and total surrender there...  Wow!
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 10:53:30 am »
Did ANYONE think Jim Furyk would make that putt?
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 11:01:55 am »
Did ANYONE think Jim Furyk would make that putt?

Or that Tiger wouldn't step on his dick the whole tournament?
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 11:02:11 am »
Tags tweet - "Congrats on an entire continent barely beating the U.S. in golf."
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 11:06:55 am »
Did ANYONE think Jim Furyk would make that putt?

He is in his own head right now.  He is a methodical player, but the length of time he spent on the putts on both 17 and 18 was telling...he was in full-blown lockdown. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 11:07:39 am »
Tags tweet - "Congrats on an entire continent barely beating the U.S. in golf."

You know, I've been thinking that as well.  I guess if all the countries got together and compiled their Olympic medal total, the US wouldn't lead that either. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 11:10:19 am »
Or that Tiger wouldn't step on his dick the whole tournament?

He literally made Stricker play by himself on the front nine Friday and Saturday afternoons, which, given Stricker's form, was not a good thing.  He played the back nine well on Friday and Saturday, but that is Tiger now - consistently inconsistent.  


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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 11:13:34 am »
Tags tweet - "Congrats on an entire continent barely beating the U.S. in golf."

that reeks of sour grapes.  Had they not included all of Europe the Ryder Cup would not be near the event it is today.  The teams are about as even as you can get, the Americans choked. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 11:14:05 am »
Did ANYONE think Jim Furyk would make that putt?
No.  Furyk should consider life in a monastery for about five to ten years.  

Also, Davis Love learned nothing from when Crenshaw captained the US to their comeback--send out your best guys first on Sunday.  That's exactly what Olazabal did and it is obviously a pretty decent strategy.  Also, the Euros are just better and they pulled their collective heads out of their asses and showed it on Sunday.  Ian Poulter would have made a great assassin.  Also, Tiger has never played a team sport in his life and it shows in the Ryder Cup--he hates being there and would find it hard to pull for his own kids in a soccer match.  Mickelson has the focus of a shovel.  Colin Montgomerie is a pretty damn decent commentator and appears to have dropped a cup size.
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 11:16:49 am »
He is in his own head right now.  He is a methodical player, but the length of time he spent on the putts on both 17 and 18 was telling...he was in full-blown lockdown. 
Yes, my wife and I were discussing it on both putts.  She was sure he would make both, while my confidence faded as he re-read them ad naseum.  Contrast that with Kaymer on his last putt: read it, stroke it.  

btw, Tiger wasn't great, but with some help from Stricker, they might have pulled out one of those first matches.  Sadly, his hitting the green relatively near the flag on 17 was one of the Sunday highlights.

Noone stepped up on Sunday.  Not even the Euros, except for Rose.  Very disappointing drama.  

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 11:25:10 am »
You know, I've been thinking that as well.  I guess if all the countries got together and compiled their Olympic medal total, the US wouldn't lead that either.  

If you included Mexico and Canada it would balance the population of the EU, but I don't know if there are many top golfers from those countries.

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2012, 11:25:23 am »

Noone stepped up on Sunday.  Not even the Euros, except for Rose.  Very disappointing drama.  

I don't agree with this...neither would Jason Dufner, Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson.  All three were winning crucial points in the midst of the American meltdown.

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 11:26:33 am »
Or that Tiger wouldn't step on his dick the whole tournament?

Tiger has always sucked at the Ryder Cup.  The last time USA won it...Tiger wasn't playing.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2012, 11:29:23 am »
Noone stepped up on Sunday.  Not even the Euros, except for Rose.  Very disappointing drama.  

Seriously?  I'd say Donald, Poulter, McIlroy, Rose and Lawrie were given a challenge: take out the US' 5 hot hands.  They did.  That's stepping up.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2012, 11:30:50 am »
Also, Davis Love learned nothing from when Crenshaw captained the US to their comeback--send out your best guys first on Sunday.  That's exactly what Olazabal did and it is obviously a pretty decent strategy.  

Love did the same.  That's why the last two matches on the course were being contested by winless players from both teams.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2012, 11:32:59 am »
Tiger has always sucked at the Ryder Cup.  The last time USA won it...Tiger wasn't playing.

My boss's boss, who is from Aberdeen, kindly lectured me this morning on Tiger not being a "team player".  Honestly, I like the team aspect of the Ryder Cup, and I wish there were more high profile team golf events.  I always felt team athletic competition had a specialness that was absent in individual events.  None of that has anything to do with the American dick stepping, just an observation.
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2012, 11:36:10 am »
No.  Furyk should consider life in a monastery for about five to ten years.  

Also, Davis Love learned nothing from when Crenshaw captained the US to their comeback--send out your best guys first on Sunday.  That's exactly what Olazabal did and it is obviously a pretty decent strategy.  Also, the Euros are just better and they pulled their collective heads out of their asses and showed it on Sunday.  Ian Poulter would have made a great assassin.  Also, Tiger has never played a team sport in his life and it shows in the Ryder Cup--he hates being there and would find it hard to pull for his own kids in a soccer match.  Mickelson has the focus of a shovel.  Colin Montgomerie is a pretty damn decent commentator and appears to have dropped a cup size.

Watching his grin and give Rose a thumbs up made me cringe. Appreciate the three points on Friday and Saturday, but at that moment he could have stopped the bleeding and not only did he not do so, he gave the impression that it was no big deal.

Loved seeing Dufner's fiery disposition down the stretch. All in all, I had a bad feeling on Friday that Tiger's lip-out at 18 might come back to haunt them. And it's pretty crazy that the only halved match all weekend was the one that didn't matter.

I've grown to really like Ian Poulter, so it was tough watching him go ice-cold gangsta on our team like that.

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2012, 11:39:12 am »
I don't agree with this...neither would Jason Dufner, Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson.  All three were winning crucial points in the midst of the American meltdown.
Yeah, they won, but mostly because their opponent stepped up even less than they did.  Dufner bogeyed 17 in the clutch, and IIRC, and only had to bogey 18 to push the hole.  Z. Johnson ran up against McDowell who was too afraid to putt that last hole so he conceded to avoid it (just my opinion).  Dustin did step up, at least to my expectations.  

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2012, 11:46:22 am »
Watching his grin and give Rose a thumbs up made me cringe. Appreciate the three points on Friday and Saturday, but at that moment he could have stopped the bleeding and not only did he not do so, he gave the impression that it was no big deal.

Loved seeing Dufner's fiery disposition down the stretch. All in all, I had a bad feeling on Friday that Tiger's lip-out at 18 might come back to haunt them. And it's pretty crazy that the only halved match all weekend was the one that didn't matter.

I've grown to really like Ian Poulter, so it was tough watching him go ice-cold gangsta on our team like that.

I liked how Mickelson reacted, he did all he could do on that hole and got bested, no need to be a bitch about it.  Mickelson showed it is a gentleman's game with his gesture. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2012, 11:52:19 am »
My boss's boss, who is from Aberdeen, kindly lectured me this morning on Tiger not being a "team player".  Honestly, I like the team aspect of the Ryder Cup, and I wish there were more high profile team golf events.  I always felt team athletic competition had a specialness that was absent in individual events.  None of that has anything to do with the American dick stepping, just an observation.

I play a Ryder Cup-style tournament every year (it's coming up in three weeks, actually).  Clearly, the stage is much smaller, but I can tell you from vivid personal experience that team chemistry matters.  The need to "ham 'n' egg" the team games is massive.  If your partner isn't having a good time, you have to pick up your play to balance him out.  The team that does it, wins.

Even in the singles, we go out in fours.  So, even though you aren't playing the same match, you can still help rally a flagging team member with your own play, or simply with a slap on the back and an encouraging word (no actual "help" allowed in the singles).

Team spirit is pretty strong with us Euros, as we have a very consistent team make up (we have a much smaller pool of players).  The US team changes a lot and has a lot of politics.  Often, pairs aren't familiar/comfortable with each other, and it shows in the results.
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2012, 11:53:30 am »
Yeah, they won, but mostly because their opponent stepped up even less than they did.  Dufner bogeyed 17 in the clutch, and IIRC, and only had to bogey 18 to push the hole.  Z. Johnson ran up against McDowell who was too afraid to putt that last hole so he conceded to avoid it (just my opinion).  Dustin did step up, at least to my expectations.  

Dufner had put himself in position where 17 was not the factor for the match, by holing some great, clutch putts.  Remember, he was 1 up going into 18, hit the fairway off the tee, hit the green with his approach, and rolled a very difficult putt to about 3 feet with the match on the line (the same putt Stricker could not get withing 10 feet of the hole).  McDowell was not scared, Johnson, one of the games best putters, had a 2 footer (AT MOST), dead straight up the hill to win the match.

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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2012, 11:53:34 am »
I liked how Mickelson reacted, he did all he could do on that hole and got bested, no need to be a bitch about it.  Mickelson showed it is a gentleman's game with his gesture. 

As did, ironically, Tiger, with his concession of Moliari's putt on 18.  I thought it was played in a great spirit.
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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2012, 11:53:43 am »
Also, Tiger has never played a team sport in his life and it shows in the Ryder Cup--he hates being there and would find it hard to pull for his own kids in a soccer match. 

The next captain should tell Tiger to stay separate from the team, in his own hotel, in his own locker room, whatever.  Just follow your typical tournament routine, 'cause this team shit ain't for you.
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« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2012, 11:56:14 am »
As did, ironically, Tiger, with his concession of Moliari's putt on 18.  I thought it was played in a great spirit.

True, but If I were Molinari's position I would have conceded in the fairway after Kaymer holed his putt

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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2012, 11:56:41 am »
The match turned on the 17th in the Mickelson/Rose match. Mickelson nearly holed out his chip and Rose made a highly improbable putt. If either one of those shots turns out differently, its a two point swing and the US wins. Mickelson came within an eyelash of going 4-0 and was all class as usual. You can't ask anything more.  
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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2012, 11:56:52 am »
The next captain should tell Tiger to stay separate from the team, in his own hotel, in his own locker room, whatever.  Just follow your typical tournament routine, 'cause this team shit ain't for you.

If this is the case, then the next captain should not pick him.
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2012, 11:58:08 am »
If this is the case, then the next captain should not pick him.

it ain't up to the captain, unless he can kick guys off that make the team by merit.  I don't see Tiger NOT qualifying on his own for a Ryder Cup anytime soon...

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2012, 12:02:29 pm »
it ain't up to the captain, unless he can kick guys off that make the team by merit.  I don't see Tiger NOT qualifying on his own for a Ryder Cup anytime soon...

Also, the only time he was a captain's pick, he went 3-1
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2012, 12:03:28 pm »
Also, the only time he was a captain's pick, he went 3-1

When was that?  I thought the only time he had to be picked for a team event was The President's Cup...

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2012, 12:03:57 pm »
When was that?  I thought the only time he had to be picked for a team event was The President's Cup...

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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2012, 01:11:24 pm »

Team spirit is pretty strong with us Euros, as we have a very consistent team make up (we have a much smaller pool of players).  The US team changes a lot and has a lot of politics.  Often, pairs aren't familiar/comfortable with each other, and it shows in the results.

Also, the Euro players benefit from a much richer tradition of match and team play than the Americans do.  The difference in match play experience between the two has to affect the outcome in some way.
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2012, 01:12:26 pm »
The next captain should tell Tiger to stay separate from the team, in his own hotel, in his own locker room, whatever.  Just follow your typical tournament routine, 'cause this team shit ain't for you.

Or tell him that he can only watch the Golf Network to find out what time it is.
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2012, 04:28:14 pm »
The match turned on the 17th in the Mickelson/Rose match. Mickelson nearly holed out his chip and Rose made a highly improbable putt. If either one of those shots turns out differently, its a two point swing and the US wins. Mickelson came within an eyelash of going 4-0 and was all class as usual. You can't ask anything more. 

I felt like the turning point was Furyk's putt on 16 that lipped out. If that putt falls, he's 2 up with 2 to play. Instead, he remained at 1 up, and then completely gagged the tee shot on 17 (way left and in the back sand). From there he hit an awful bunker shot and two-putted to lose the hole and tie the match. You could see that he was dead at that point, and the only question was how ugly it would be.

The other killer was Kaymer's putt on 17, which was doubly painful coming on the heels of Mickelson's tantalizingly close chip shot.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2012, 04:12:21 pm »
Here's your culprit:

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For those who think this Ryder Cup is finished, think again. Team Europe can still win if the following five things happen Sunday:

-- Keegan Bradley is abducted.

-- Team USA captain Davis Love III inserts Cup spectators Michael Jordan, President George W. Bush, Amy Mickelson and the Rev. Jesse Jackson into the singles lineup.

-- Lee Westwood: U.S. citizen.

-- Marty McFly shows Team Europe captain Jose Maria Olazabal how to go back in time. Last Friday morning will do.

-- Team Europe wins eight of the remaining 12 matches to retain the cup.

Never mind. It's over. Olazabal can click off the walkie-talkie and take the IFB out of his ear. Time for the Europeans to fire up the private jets and head back home to Florida.


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